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Post by Rabac on Mar 14, 2015 4:12:33 GMT
but at what cost? i malpredict as weak after getting a confirm, shit im dead my info cant help anyways. In this game ppl are more oriented on staying alive. Also, Citrus Freak you forgot that there could be a jack-of-all-trades (JOAT for short I guess) Which is imo better than a doc. Bc you could inspect or doc or block. rssp1 OMGUS much? i FoS you. MyWay21 that post will never be 10/10. It will be 1000/10 because you forgot to waste your thousandth post. micc I FoS you extremely hard too. mainly bc f that line from earlier other suspisions involve Citrus Freak + Fort as scum team
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Post by micc on Mar 14, 2015 5:01:10 GMT
Yeah...thats why crumbing it well is important.
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Post by micc on Mar 14, 2015 5:06:41 GMT
Realized i should be more specific, because you clearly are not following.
Prior to the night you drop hints as to who you are targeting. If you flip a weak role the town knows to consider that player for scum.
More importantly if you survive the night you leave crumbs that the player you targeted is a strong town read. Once you flip weak the town can find the crumbs and they know the person is town.
I mean its not hard stuff. But its not really straightforward follow the cop stuff either. And if you want to play follow the cop youre playing the wrong setup.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Mar 14, 2015 6:28:04 GMT
Weak seems like it's highlight unreliable. Any kind of roleblocking, protecting, or even just random nightkills can mess him up. If he gets roleblocked/protected while targeting scum, that leaves him vulnerable to clearing a townie. Also, PGO much? Additionally, in order to survive while using his role, Citrus would've had to roleblock a town... yeah...
Rabbac is just FoSing on everyone lmao... I can only saw mfw
Citrus seems clean to me, if only because he broke down the role discards, a very Citrus-as-Town seeming move.
TWD and Starrstorm are my main suspects as of now, because they haven't talked at all and they both discarded pretty good roles.
Honestly, Lyncher seems like the easiest possible win lol. Claim Bloodhound, get "not town" result on lynchee, claim the lynch, win. Unless there's something I don't get about the lyncher.
TWD needs to respond before I can really say much about him, but citrus has pretty much covered his case thoroughly.
Micc seems desperate to attack Citrus, perhaps because he doesn't see the downfalls of the weak modifier?... It may be chainsaw defense, but I doubt it.
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Post by rssp1 on Mar 14, 2015 9:11:46 GMT
>Rabbac points out OMGUS when I accompany my vote with "OMGUS" and "u fkn wot m90000" >implying the vote is serious >implying I didn't realize it was OMGUS >implying I didn't realize it could be seen as scummy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 12:46:41 GMT
micc, if I were to claim weak as my modifier, as well as hint my target, then an anti role town could kill me and frame my target. Plus, were I to merely hint my actions, then an anti town faction with more than one person has a disproportionally larger chance of figuring out my target and thus being able to act accordingly than does the town whose populace must out of necessity divine that knowledge of their own accord. The weak modifier kills me if I target an anti town role; were I to publicly divulge that information, an anti town faction could utilize that information for nefarious purposes. Were I not to divulge it, well, I can either suicide roleblock a person who may not even be making a kill that night, or try to find pro-town player who doesn't mind losing their night action. There is no reason for weak JK to be chosen; too high a chance of hurting town to be used correctly. Even though my current role is, in theory at least, worse, it is incapable of harming the town, a possibility all too prevalent had I chosen weak JK. Thoughts on the active people (more than two posts): micc: I wouldn't go and say this is a chainsaw defense, necessarily; but why vote me over TWD? I mean, really? You've yet to address my argument with TWD, but you're saying I'm scummy for discarding weak JK... But not making the same argument for someone who blatantly discarded doctor. I mean, wow. My argument about TWD is that there are only four role cards explicitly better for town than it, seven incouding the other doctors and the JoAT. The chance of TWD of drawing a more 'fun' anti town role, such as Fort's discarded 1-shot PGO WW, is significantly higher than choosing a town role better than a doctor for her other card. Cease this argument that my choice was scummy while hers was not at once, lest there be consequences directed to you as well. Rabac: If you're anti town, I think you'd have been more reserved than to make such accusations against me, Fort, and rssp at the same time .-. After TWD has a chance to defend himself, I would encourage you to consider aiding in his lynch if he is incapable of adequately defending himself. As of now, I do not dismiss your theory that me and Fort are of the same faction. Unless he drew another anti town role more fun than one time PGO WW, I think he's a townie who, for some reason, went for a less than fun role in order to ensure he was town just the way he likes it. Fort doesn't like to be scum; at least, that's what he told me on the server before this game even started sign ups. Fort Colorcastle: You're pretty clear to me now tbh. Warring over the TWD lynch by not lynching for now but hedging a future vote for them is actually pro town, in order to ensure that someone who has the slight potential of being townie can defend themselves. Just be forewarned, ideas change as circumstances do, so stay vigilant and protown or you'll face Himashi da Hammah. And I will fight you if you don't lead the town assuming you're alive and nigh-confirmed tomorrow. Don't make me type so much, you pick up balls. rssp1: Yeah, rabac's OMGUS call on you was ridiculous, but try to find other ways to help town than point that out; add to the TWD debate or throw some mud at inactives.
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Post by MyWay21 on Mar 14, 2015 14:37:23 GMT
Fort Colorcastle, implying that I know how to play as lyncher I would have ended up lurking all game waiting to band wagon my lynchee.
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Post by Alphajores on Mar 14, 2015 15:36:43 GMT
i started making a list of anti towns fort could have chosen over 1-shot PGO WW to show that fort is most likely town, but halfway through i realized that there are quite a lot and i deleted
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Post by Rabac on Mar 14, 2015 15:42:24 GMT
rssp1 unless you explicitly state that your lynch is a joke lynch, I assume that all lynches are real. Cuz murder, that's ssentially what lynching is, isnt something to joke about. Morality and shit comes into play here. Wait a sec... MyWay21 wasyour rssp1 lynch a joke lynch??? A lot of ppl not talking/barely talking... Mad suss imo. Stir saying only 1 line, Contribute more plox. Alphajores you too. Pplwho havent talked at all: aknolan You havent said a thing sice the game officially started. Plus there's a FoS on you from Citrus bc you threw out Vengeful Townie. which I believe is like a PGO...ONLY 1000x better. Bc it isnt a neg utility. It only kills when it is killed so only if vig targets you would you possibly be hurting town
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Post by Rabac on Mar 14, 2015 15:47:12 GMT
Oh and I forgot Drookez didnt post too.. shame on me i know. Considering the Town discard, and the fact that he as a decent chance of living, Im not 100% sure if i can trust him. Imo hes lurking. I could and will say the same for aknolan, but the sensation that aknolan is lurking is stronger. Summary of D1: Rabac goes insane. Trusts no one... Citrus slightly. but its D1, so...
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Post by Rabac on Mar 14, 2015 15:51:48 GMT
i started making a list of anti towns fort could have chosen over 1-shot PGO WW to show that fort is most likely town, but halfway through i realized that there are quite a lot and i deleted Dont you think we could've used that list? OMG I really dont trust ANYONE. Im a lone wolf. Alphajores post that list, also Citrus Freak how many times do the better than doc roles come up on the role list cuz iirc we cant ave two of the same role # in GI. Might be useful to keep for the future.
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Post by Drookez on Mar 14, 2015 16:07:45 GMT
i started making a list of anti towns fort could have chosen over 1-shot PGO WW to show that fort is most likely town, but halfway through i realized that there are quite a lot and i deleted Dont you think we could've used that list? OMG I really dont trust ANYONE. Im a lone wolf. Alphajores post that list, also Citrus Freak how many times do the better than doc roles come up on the role list cuz iirc we cant ave two of the same role # in GI. Might be useful to keep for the future. Werewolf Confirmed! No not really. It was a joke. Anyways I'll get on to posting/analyzing.
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Post by Rabac on Mar 14, 2015 16:11:19 GMT
... SMFH first post i see you post since D1 started... and it had to be that.
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Post by Drookez on Mar 14, 2015 16:20:47 GMT
micc, if I were to claim weak as my modifier, as well as hint my target, then an anti role town could kill me and frame my target. Plus, were I to merely hint my actions, then an anti town faction with more than one person has a disproportionally larger chance of figuring out my target and thus being able to act accordingly than does the town whose populace must out of necessity divine that knowledge of their own accord. The weak modifier kills me if I target an anti town role; were I to publicly divulge that information, an anti town faction could utilize that information for nefarious purposes. Were I not to divulge it, well, I can either suicide roleblock a person who may not even be making a kill that night, or try to find pro-town player who doesn't mind losing their night action. There is no reason for weak JK to be chosen; too high a chance of hurting town to be used correctly. Even though my current role is, in theory at least, worse, it is incapable of harming the town, a possibility all too prevalent had I chosen weak JK. I agree with you here. Definitely not an anti-town choice in giving up a weak jailkeeper. Also, we should realize that not everyone will aim to have the best roles possible for town, but some may choose on what they are familiar with, or enjoy most playing. Thoughts on the active people (more than two posts): micc: I wouldn't go and say this is a chainsaw defense, necessarily; but why vote me over TWD? I mean, really? You've yet to address my argument with TWD, but you're saying I'm scummy for discarding weak JK... But not making the same argument for someone who blatantly discarded doctor. I mean, wow. My argument about TWD is that there are only four role cards explicitly better for town than it, seven incouding the other doctors and the JoAT. The chance of TWD of drawing a more 'fun' anti town role, such as Fort's discarded 1-shot PGO WW, is significantly higher than choosing a town role better than a doctor for her other card. Cease this argument that my choice was scummy while hers was not at once, lest there be consequences directed to you as well. Rabac: If you're anti town, I think you'd have been more reserved than to make such accusations against me, Fort, and rssp at the same time .-. After TWD has a chance to defend himself, I would encourage you to consider aiding in his lynch if he is incapable of adequately defending himself. As of now, I do not dismiss your theory that me and Fort are of the same faction. Unless he drew another anti town role more fun than one time PGO WW, I think he's a townie who, for some reason, went for a less than fun role in order to ensure he was town just the way he likes it. Fort doesn't like to be scum; at least, that's what he told me on the server before this game even started sign ups. Fort Colorcastle: You're pretty clear to me now tbh. Warring over the TWD lynch by not lynching for now but hedging a future vote for them is actually pro town, in order to ensure that someone who has the slight potential of being townie can defend themselves. Just be forewarned, ideas change as circumstances do, so stay vigilant and protown or you'll face Himashi da Hammah. And I will fight you if you don't lead the town assuming you're alive and nigh-confirmed tomorrow. Don't make me type so much, you pick up balls. What kinda role could have Fort chose? Werewolf one shot PGO is a very, very good choice and I can't see why he would discard it. Of course, unless he really hates being scum, or he gets something else better. However, there isn't a lot of thing better than it unless it's some cult recruiter thing or a serial killer. Personally, I think Citrus and Fort 'just works together really well'. Just a gut feeling, but I believe that if Citrus questions TWD over his choice of discarding doc, he would question fort too rather than "you're pretty clear to me now tbh". Also, Himashi gets Sunreeser'd.
rssp1: Yeah, rabac's OMGUS call on you was ridiculous, but try to find other ways to help town than point that out; add to the TWD debate or throw some mud at inactives.
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Post by Drookez on Mar 14, 2015 16:27:38 GMT
Of course it's only day 1 so I'm not gonna clear anyone/scum read anyone but rather discuss possibilities. Considering the randomness of roles, we might have no investigative roles at all. Since TWD will be lynched by plurality, I want to hear what he will say/claim? before making my decision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 16:41:07 GMT
Screw you Sunreeser You made me trust you
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Post by MyWay21 on Mar 14, 2015 17:44:53 GMT
@rabbac It was indeed a joke lynch on Rssp1
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Post by Alphajores on Mar 14, 2015 18:10:14 GMT
shit now i need to redo list
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Post by Alphajores on Mar 14, 2015 18:25:41 GMT
List if all anti-town: Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Godfather Mafia Tracker Mafia Doctor Mafia Roleblocker Mafia Lover Mafia Seer Mafia One-shot Dayvig Mafia One-shot Governor Mafia Strongman Mafia Reflexive Doctor (protects anyone who targets them) Hirsute Goon Mafia Cupid (Targets player Night 1; all OTHER players who targeted same player become Lovers with target) Alpha Goon (essentially a named goon) Mafia Compulsive Hider Werewolf Werewolf Werewolf Werewolf Alpha Werewolf Werewolf Roleblocker Werewolf One-shot Bulletproof Werewolf Cop Werewolf Mason Werewolf Watcher Werewolf FBI Agent Ninja Werewolf Werewolf One-shot PGO Werewolf Miller (investigates as Mafia) Werewolf Supersaint Werewolf Godfather (essentially a named werewolf) Werewolf Gravedigger Alien One-shot Unlynchable Alien Prober (targets one player; target is roleblocked and Prober gets investigation result of "Werewolf" or "Not werewolf") Alien Vanillaiser Alien Silencer Bulletproof Alien Lover Alien Psychotrooper (While alive, all cops with 'guilty/not guilty' format results are Insane) Alien Mass Redirector (Once per game, choose a player at night. All actions are redirected to that player that night, making the Psychomagnet essentially a 1-Shot Lightning Rod-izer) Alien Bloodsucker (Treestump someone at night. No Alien may perform the factional nightkill on the same night that you do this) Alien Sympathiser (If there are Aliens in the game, you are an Alien goon. If there are no other Aliens, you are a VT.) Survivor Compulsive Bodyguard Survivor Survivor Mason Lyncher (target to the left; or on forum: target above in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) Lyncher (target to the right; or on forum: target below in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) Serial Killer (Two-shot Bulletproof) Serial Killer (Immune to Mafia kills) Serial Killer (Immune to Werewolf kills) Serial Killer (Immune to Alien & Replicant kills) One-shot Cult Recruiter Cult One-shot Goomaker (Once per game, at night, target someone to make them take on Black Goo ability)
list of anti-town that might be chosen over One-Shot PGO WW: Mafia Godfather Mafia Roleblocker Mafia One-shot Dayvig Mafia One-shot Governor Mafia Strongman Mafia Cupid (Targets player Night 1; all OTHER players who targeted same player become Lovers with target) Mafia Compulsive Hider Werewolf Roleblocker Werewolf One-shot Bulletproof Werewolf Mason Werewolf Supersaint Alien One-shot Unlynchable Alien Vanillaiser Alien Silencer Bulletproof Alien Lover Alien Psychotrooper (While alive, all cops with 'guilty/not guilty' format results are Insane) Alien Mass Redirector (Once per game, choose a player at night. All actions are redirected to that player that night, making the Psychomagnet essentially a 1-Shot Lightning Rod-izer) Alien Bloodsucker (Treestump someone at night. No Alien may perform the factional nightkill on the same night that you do this) Lyncher (target to the left; or on forum: target above in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) Lyncher (target to the right; or on forum: target below in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) Serial Killer (Two-shot Bulletproof) Serial Killer (Immune to Mafia kills) Serial Killer (Immune to Werewolf kills) Serial Killer (Immune to Alien & Replicant kills) One-shot Cult Recruiter Cult One-shot Goomaker (Once per game, at night, target someone to make them take on Black Goo ability)
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Here are all the anti-townie roles: [1-82] 83.Underdog (When the first Day death occurs, adopts the alignment of the dead player. Starts as Survivor) 84.Mafia Goon 85.Mafia Goon 86.Mafia Goon 87.Mafia Goon 88.Mafia Goon 89.Mafia Godfather 90.Mafia Tracker 91.Mafia Doctor 92.Mafia Roleblocker 93.Mafia Lover 94.Mafia Seer 95.Mafia One-shot Dayvig 96.Mafia One-shot Governor 97.Mafia Strongman 98.Mafia Reflexive Doctor (protects anyone who targets them) 99.Hirsute Goon 100.Mafia Cupid (Targets player Night 1; all OTHER players who targeted same player become Lovers with target) 101.Alpha Goon (essentially a named goon) 102.Mafia Compulsive Hider 103.Werewolf 104.Werewolf 105.Werewolf 106.Werewolf 107.Alpha Werewolf 108.Werewolf Roleblocker 109.Werewolf One-shot Bulletproof 110.Werewolf Cop 111.Werewolf Mason 112.Werewolf Watcher 113.Werewolf FBI Agent 114.Ninja Werewolf 115.Werewolf One-shot PGO 116.Werewolf Miller (investigates as Mafia) 117.Werewolf Supersaint 118.Werewolf Godfather (essentially a named werewolf) 119.Werewolf Gravedigger 120.Alien One-shot Unlynchable 121.Alien Prober (targets one player; target is roleblocked and Prober gets investigation result of "Werewolf" or "Not werewolf") 122.Alien Vanillaiser 123.Alien Silencer 124.Bulletproof Alien Lover 125.Alien Psychotrooper (While alive, all cops with 'guilty/not guilty' format results are Insane) 126.Alien Mass Redirector (Once per game, choose a player at night. All actions are redirected to that player that night, making the Psychomagnet essentially a 1-Shot Lightning Rod-izer) 127.Alien Bloodsucker (Treestump someone at night. No Alien may perform the factional nightkill on the same night that you do this) 128.Alien Sympathiser (If there are Aliens in the game, you are an Alien goon. If there are no other Aliens, you are a VT.) 129.Survivor 130.Compulsive Bodyguard Survivor 131.Survivor Mason 132.Lyncher (target to the left; or on forum: target above in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) 133.Lyncher (target to the right; or on forum: target below in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) 134.Serial Killer (Two-shot Bulletproof) 135.Serial Killer (Immune to Mafia kills) 136.Serial Killer (Immune to Werewolf kills) 137.Serial Killer (Immune to Alien & Replicant kills) 138.One-shot Cult Recruiter 139.Cult One-shot Goomaker (Once per game, at night, target someone to make them take on Black Goo ability)
Here are all the anti-townie roles that could possibly be seen as better than a 1-shot PGO WW in any circumstance: 89.Mafia Godfather 91.Mafia Doctor 92.Mafia Roleblocker 95.Mafia One-shot Dayvig 96.Mafia One-shot Governor 97.Mafia Strongman 98.Mafia Reflexive Doctor (protects anyone who targets them) 100.Mafia Cupid (Targets player Night 1; all OTHER players who targeted same player become Lovers with target) 107.Alpha Werewolf 108.Werewolf Roleblocker 109.Werewolf One-shot Bulletproof 110.Werewolf Cop 111.Werewolf Mason 114.Ninja Werewolf 115.Werewolf One-shot PGO 117.Werewolf Supersaint 120.Alien One-shot Unlynchable 121.Alien Prober (targets one player; target is roleblocked and Prober gets investigation result of "Werewolf" or "Not werewolf") 122.Alien Vanillaiser 125.Alien Psychotrooper (While alive, all cops with 'guilty/not guilty' format results are Insane) 126.Alien Mass Redirector (Once per game, choose a player at night. All actions are redirected to that player that night, making the Psychomagnet essentially a 1-Shot Lightning Rod-izer) 127.Alien Bloodsucker (Treestump someone at night. No Alien may perform the factional nightkill on the same night that you do this) 129.Survivor 131.Survivor Mason 132.Lyncher (target to the left; or on forum: target above in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) 133.Lyncher (target to the right; or on forum: target below in playerlist; or on skype/chat: target chosen randomly from all other players) 134.Serial Killer (Two-shot Bulletproof) 135.Serial Killer (Immune to Mafia kills) 136.Serial Killer (Immune to Werewolf kills) 137.Serial Killer (Immune to Alien & Replicant kills) 138.One-shot Cult Recruiter 139.Cult One-shot Goomaker (Once per game, at night, target someone to make them take on Black Goo ability)
Here are all the anti-townie roles that could reaistically be seen as better than a 1-shot PGO WW in some circumstances (underlines are iffy, due to the nature of this theme): 89.Mafia Godfather 92.Mafia Roleblocker 96.Mafia One-shot Governor (Because I assume the Governor is revealed) 97.Mafia Strongman 107.Alpha Werewolf 108.Werewolf Roleblocker 110.Werewolf Cop--This is the role I discarded in favor of BP townie last round. Werewolf Cops can check if someone is mafia or not, and the mafia is the other primary anti-town faction in this theme. 111.Werewolf Mason--not many mason roles, but very good if someone else chose a mason role. 115.Werewolf One-shot PGO 117.Werewolf Supersaint 120.Alien One-shot Unlynchable 121.Alien Prober (targets one player; target is roleblocked and Prober gets investigation result of "Werewolf" or "Not werewolf") 125.Alien Psychotrooper (While alive, all cops with 'guilty/not guilty' format results are Insane) 126.Alien Mass Redirector (Once per game, choose a player at night. All actions are redirected to that player that night, making the Psychomagnet essentially a 1-Shot Lightning Rod-izer) 134.Serial Killer (Two-shot Bulletproof) 135.Serial Killer (Immune to Mafia kills) 136.Serial Killer (Immune to Werewolf kills) 137.Serial Killer (Immune to Alien & Replicant kills) 138.One-shot Cult Recruiter 139.Cult One-shot Goomaker (Once per game, at night, target someone to make them take on Black Goo ability)
And here are all the anti-townie roles that could realistically be seen as better than a 1-shot PGO WW in most circumstances in this game, in my opinion (Asterisks mean definitely better than 1-shot PGO WW): 89.Mafia Godfather* 92.Mafia Roleblocker* 97.Mafia Strongman 107.Alpha Werewolf* 108.Werewolf Roleblocker* 110.Werewolf Cop* 115.Werewolf One-shot PGO 117.Werewolf Supersaint 120.Alien One-shot Unlynchable (1-shotUnlynchable is very good for a small anti-town faction like aliens) 121.Alien Prober* (targets one player; target is roleblocked and Prober gets investigation result of "Werewolf" or "Not werewolf") 125.Alien Psychotrooper* (While alive, all cops with 'guilty/not guilty' format results are Insane) 126.Alien Mass Redirector (Once per game, choose a player at night. All actions are redirected to that player that night, making the Psychomagnet essentially a 1-Shot Lightning Rod-izer) 138.One-shot Cult Recruiter 139.Cult One-shot Goomaker* (Once per game, at night, target someone to make them take on Black Goo ability)
Keep in mind that WWs are essentially a second Mafiosi--at least according to my Role PM for WW Cop last round, they have what's called 'blood lust, so they can communicate one with another, and that most investigative roles are faction-specific. And thus explodes my theory that such a discard clears Fort. Alphajores was right. There are significantly fewer town roles explicitly more fun or better than 1-shot PGO WW than there are anti-town roles. For Fort, there are 15 better anti-town roles he could have chosen in lieu of 1-shot PGO WW, including that role itself. But for TWD, there are only six town roles explicitly better than doctor, doctor included.My next post will be to point out the town roles better than a 1-shot PGO WW for Fort and those anti-town roles for TWD better than town doctor--For now, I will maintain my lynch on TWD, and I encourage people to unlynch their targets such as rssp1 or nl. Today will, more than likely, culminate in the lynching of either TWD or Fort depending on incognito incognito incognito incognito incognito probability and statistics incognito incognito incognito incognito incognito and if they can make a convincing argument for their preservation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 18:54:13 GMT
Gosh darn it Alphajores, I wanted first cake prize.
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Post by rssp1 on Mar 14, 2015 19:02:46 GMT
@citrus I don't see the point in adding in my viewpoint when it's the same thing as what everyone else is saying/most others are saying. Given, i'm still watching what's being posted and I will post if I have something new to bring to the table.
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Post by aknolan on Mar 14, 2015 19:07:31 GMT
oh shit I went a bit afk
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Post by aknolan on Mar 14, 2015 19:08:06 GMT
can someone explain what happened? I'm too lazy to read 4 pages of... yeah I don't even know
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