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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Nov 26, 2017 10:51:06 GMT
I don't feel like making a long OP but here are some things to discuss. - What do you think of policy lynches?
- When should they be applied?
- For what?
- Is there a point in the game where they can't be used?
- Do you think the meta can be changed by using policy lynches?
I like to policy certain trolls (see: Day 1 Day-Vig shot), to discourage it. Additionally, I also like to policy or at least heavily pressure lurkers so that people start lurking less. Right now I feel like we reward lurkers way too much by saying "but there are more scummy people!". Yes, that's because this person did absolutely nothing. At least you can read the scummy people.
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Post by Bomb Moss on Nov 26, 2017 11:07:17 GMT
1. Useful when used sparingly, annoying when BSed.
2. Always do it to Lurkers & Trolls
3. Because they hurt Town in both ways
4. When the game is screwed and there are way too many lurkers/trolls for the game to have any chance apart from /roll
5. No, we still need to have stricter enforcement of gamebanning trolls/lurkers AND known leavers.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 26, 2017 13:47:49 GMT
Always policy lynch always.
Not even a fucking joke just policy lynch till LyLo it's so much more rewarding.
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Post by peachu on Nov 26, 2017 22:07:04 GMT
theyre lynches for policy. you use them when you're trying to push policy, not when you're trying to tryhard games. i do honestly support stuff like policying instant dayvig shots or lurking, but if you're actually tryharding games it's not always the best option imo.
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Post by Wob on Nov 27, 2017 1:20:35 GMT
policy lynches are almost always misused tbh. they should just be a tool to get rid of people who refuse to play properly. if you're doing anything else you're doing it wrong.
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 29, 2017 8:50:55 GMT
policy lynches are almost always misused tbh. they should just be a tool to get rid of people who refuse to play properly. if you're doing anything else you're doing it wrong. This. DBW said everything. Besides, you don't policy lurkers. Lynching lurkers because of lurking is an acceptable strategy in itself for lurking is not scumhunting, and thus helping scum instead of town. |
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Post by chapterseven on Nov 21, 2018 19:05:05 GMT
policy lynches are almost always misused tbh. they should just be a tool to get rid of people who refuse to play properly. if you're doing anything else you're doing it wrong. This is facts more people should read this seen atleast 4 games where Town has policied a player because they were new and No Lynched in Vanilla. Y'all Lynching is the most powerful tool town has and you wanna waste it voting for the Noob Town when Scunmy McScummy is over there hard pushing a wagon on a noob. I also think PS Mafia has this odd boner for policying Obv Town simplying because of something small. Like the confirmed Town Role Cop can accidently inspect the same player twice and town will turbo his ass faster than mafia could ever dream of setting up a wagon like that. Players get upset when the game doesn't go the way they want it to, but contribute to it going bad by thinking they are doing something helpful for town (by policying) when they aren't. |
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Post by Cantius on Nov 21, 2018 19:44:31 GMT
policy lynches are almost always misused tbh. they should just be a tool to get rid of people who refuse to play properly. if you're doing anything else you're doing it wrong. This is facts more people should read this seen atleast 4 games where Town has policied a player because they were new and No Lynched in Vanilla. Y'all Lynching is the most powerful tool town has and you wanna waste it voting for the Noob Town when Scunmy McScummy is over there hard pushing a wagon on a noob. I also think PS Mafia has this odd boner for policying Obv Town simplying because of something small. Like the confirmed Town Role Cop can accidently inspect the same player twice and town will turbo his ass faster than mafia could ever dream of setting up a wagon like that. Players get upset when the game doesn't go the way they want it to, but contribute to it going bad by thinking they are doing something helpful for town (by policying) when they aren't. In Vanilla with an even number of players, the optimal town move theoretically would be to No Lynch, and the optimal scum move after the No Lynch would be to not kill. |
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Post by motogp on Nov 22, 2018 18:56:53 GMT
policy lynches are almost always misused tbh. they should just be a tool to get rid of people who refuse to play properly. if you're doing anything else you're doing it wrong. This is facts more people should read this seen atleast 4 games where Town has policied a player because they were new and No Lynched in Vanilla. Y'all Lynching is the most powerful tool town has and you wanna waste it voting for the Noob Town when Scunmy McScummy is over there hard pushing a wagon on a noob. I also think PS Mafia has this odd boner for policying Obv Town simplying because of something small. Like the confirmed Town Role Cop can accidently inspect the same player twice and town will turbo his ass faster than mafia could ever dream of setting up a wagon like that. Players get upset when the game doesn't go the way they want it to, but contribute to it going bad by thinking they are doing something helpful for town (by policying) when they aren't. nolynching in vanilla is a legitimate play and whoever says doing it is scummy needs to rethink their life choices also this leads to a whole other discussion on what is a slip and what isnt which I would really like to make with certain players |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Nov 22, 2018 19:12:00 GMT
This is facts more people should read this seen atleast 4 games where Town has policied a player because they were new and No Lynched in Vanilla. Y'all Lynching is the most powerful tool town has and you wanna waste it voting for the Noob Town when Scunmy McScummy is over there hard pushing a wagon on a noob. I also think PS Mafia has this odd boner for policying Obv Town simplying because of something small. Like the confirmed Town Role Cop can accidently inspect the same player twice and town will turbo his ass faster than mafia could ever dream of setting up a wagon like that. Players get upset when the game doesn't go the way they want it to, but contribute to it going bad by thinking they are doing something helpful for town (by policying) when they aren't. nolynching in vanilla is a legitimate play and whoever says doing it is scummy needs to rethink their life choices also this leads to a whole other discussion on what is a slip and what isnt which I would really like to make with certain players Honestly, 90% of the slips aren't actually slips and people are just trying to push something randomly (often as scum). Real slips are mostly obvious when they happen, and are generally only scumslips (townslips are not to be trusted...) |
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Post by motogp on Nov 22, 2018 20:01:40 GMT
nolynching in vanilla is a legitimate play and whoever says doing it is scummy needs to rethink their life choices also this leads to a whole other discussion on what is a slip and what isnt which I would really like to make with certain players Honestly, 90% of the slips aren't actually slips and people are just trying to push something randomly (often as scum). Real slips are mostly obvious when they happen, and are generally only scumslips (townslips are not to be trusted...) its not a problem when scum does it,we'll lynch them for it.The problem relies on certain people using this logic as town,and actually believing what they're saying. |
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Post by Durza on Nov 23, 2018 16:56:56 GMT
isn't a policy lynch a gamethrow in most cases?
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Post by Durza on Nov 23, 2018 16:57:13 GMT
since you're lynching with a motive other than to win
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Post by chapterseven on Nov 23, 2018 17:05:40 GMT
since you're lynching with a motive other than to win |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 23, 2018 17:55:15 GMT
I'm with C7 on that one. I think it can definitely depend on what stage in the game you're at, as well. Policy lynches, in their best execution, are a means of curating the lategame and enforcing a certain standard of gameplay from town. A lot of the time, though, I think people neglect to look at the context of a given policy lynch, and so you end up with people pushing the lynch because they: - Are scum looking for free mislynches
- Are town that have not formed or don't want to commit to their own reads
or - Want to appear more involved in the game than they are
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Post by Cantius on Nov 23, 2018 19:07:08 GMT
In the current meta, most lurkers are scum. Policy lynches should only be used for information and the removal of players who are likely to survive and hurt the town in LyLo or are actually scum. Low activity compared to town play is a scumtell that we ignore too much, and we should be lynching schia every D1 when he lurks because he lurks as scum.
However, from my experience, the majority of fillerers and trolls are actually just bad town. These players are usually the subject of the stupid D1 wagons that we're all familiar with. In my opinion, these players should be lynched definitely before LyLo, because they are generally hard to read, but not Day 1.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 23, 2018 19:18:21 GMT
In the current meta, most lurkers are scum. Policy lynches should only be used for information and the removal of players who are likely to survive and hurt the town in LyLo or are actually scum. Low activity compared to town play is a scumtell that we ignore too much, and we should be lynching schia every D1 when he lurks because he lurks as scum. I feel like it should be said that i lurk way more as town than i do as scum |
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Post by Cantius on Nov 23, 2018 19:32:16 GMT
In the current meta, most lurkers are scum. Policy lynches should only be used for information and the removal of players who are likely to survive and hurt the town in LyLo or are actually scum. Low activity compared to town play is a scumtell that we ignore too much, and we should be lynching schia every D1 when he lurks because he lurks as scum. I feel like it should be said that i lurk way more as town than i do as scum No I've never seen you lurk as town |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Nov 23, 2018 20:46:26 GMT
Since apparently punishing lurking is a policy lynch now, it's really not. Lurking hurts town regardless of who you are, and is thus scummy. Defending lurkers by saying it's this is just giving them a free pass.
Also policy lynching is overall for the good of the meta (as it can be lynching people for what they've done, like insta-shooting as Day-Vig when the game starts, regardless of who they are as it's something they shouldn't do), in my opinion.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 23, 2018 21:05:12 GMT
No I've never seen you lurk as town welp, i guess that makes it true  Since apparently punishing lurking is a policy lynch now, it's really not. Lurking hurts town regardless of who you are, and is thus scummy. Defending lurkers by saying it's this is just giving them a free pass. "It's really not" what? |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Nov 23, 2018 21:23:58 GMT
Lurking is by nature anti-town and thus scummy. Policy lynches are solely to punish something, and not because the person is scummy per se. Lurking makes someone scummy, and is not to be applied if someone gets out of the lurk with actual good reads and contributes. It's less about the lurking, more about the lack of contribution.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 23, 2018 21:28:43 GMT
No, no, I get what you're saying abt lurking, but I meant as far as your distinction goes re: what constitutes a policy lynch and what doesn't.
What you described literally looks like a policy lynch to me, so I'm not sure what you mean when you're saying "It's really not". It's not what?
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Post by qtball on Nov 23, 2018 22:25:53 GMT
Policies are dumb lurking as town are also dumb I do both those things therefore I’m dumb
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Post by PartingWind on Nov 23, 2018 22:49:52 GMT
Policies can be justified when people aren't going to play the game like they should otherwise, as others have said.
However, this should not be abused by randomly lynching bad players, that's just degrading people and making them feel worse about themselves, you don't know how someone else will receive a policy lynch on the opposite side of a screen if they are playing with seriousness
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Nov 23, 2018 23:57:07 GMT
No, no, I get what you're saying abt lurking, but I meant as far as your distinction goes re: what constitutes a policy lynch and what doesn't. What you described literally looks like a policy lynch to me, so I'm not sure what you mean when you're saying "It's really not". It's not what? I'm saying it's a valid way to obtain reads, and lynching because of a scumread isn't a policy? |
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