Server Analysis

[Bomb Moss]

Server Analysis
                                      Approved by Snaq ◢ ◤

Description:

Sometimes, on a rare occasion, you might actually chance across a game on the server that actually contains an impressive demonstration of skill in the game. This could range anything from a 9000 IQ game-winning play, to a successful strategic gambit to lead the opposing faction to a severe disadvantage, or even just an all-around well-played game. A issue several players and former players have brought up is the rarity of these games. I think a part of the issue is the lack of post-game discussion, as much as we try to learn from our mistakes, one thing I don't see pushed enough is learning from our successes. When a game is well-played, or a strategy is well executed, we should attempt to replicate and keep ourselves at peak performance, which is what this thread is meant for.

Rules:

1. All general Forum and Pokemon Showdown! Mafia rules apply. In short, no flaming, trolling, ad hominem or otherwise anything said with the intent to harm, put down, degrade, discriminate or hurt any other user, be it a user here or on the server. Trash talking is allowed to a certain extent as long as boundaries are not crossed.

2. This thread is made with the intention of analyzing and learning from games where a impressive display of skill was shown. As such, posting games with the intention to intentionally humiliate or "talk shit" about a user will not be tolerated.

3. Do not be a show-off or a generally bad presence. Even if you are a good player or "above what the people are talking about", no one likes to be discussing about a play and to have someone butt in talking about how awesome they are. Use your skills to help others, not to boast about.

4. If you want to post a game for discussion here, please pastebin it (or any other paste service such as hastebin) and post the link here. You may pastebin the entire game or only the part of the game that you want for discussion. 

5. When discussing games, stay on point. Going a little off-topic is ok but don't drift from an analysis of the claims to discussing how Vigilantes are broken or something like that.

6. After posting a game, you may start talking about it or wait for someone else to take a look at it. However, I'll only link it in this OP if both the game itself is of sufficient quality and the discussion around it is constructive.

7. I know you all have basically a negative opinion of me so I'm not the only one who's going to be judging the quality of games. It will be a discussion between me and other experienced users that you probably have far more respect for (listed below).

Judges:

The users currently in charge of judging a game's quality are ForgotToFlush (ForgotToFlush), Bomb Moss (XnadrojX), Fenrir  (@Fenrir Aesir), and Snaq ◢ ◤ (#Snaquaza).

An example of a good game + good analysis would be what ForgotToFlush (ForgotToFlush) did during the Post-Workshop Game.

Games Analysed:


Analysis 1 (LyLo: Lynch/Reads Analysis) By ForgotToFlush (ForgotToFlush)

Analysis 2 (Small Game: Tone and Mindset) By fireon1234 (Fireon1234)

Analysis 3 (General Game: Behavior Recognition) By Snaq ◢ ◤ (#Snaquaza)

[ForgotToFlush]

pastebin.com/53zKVFQ9
ROUND TWO:
Theme:Bird7
PL: skyfigueroa ±_±◢ ◤, RK-277, squinn, Sona's Etwhal, FOgdocker, fairyjigglypuff, Jona Arc
D1: RK-277 lynched
N1: FOgdocker nked
D2: Sona's Etwhal lynched

To recap the LyLo:
-SKy claims doc
-Puff and Squinn start going at it based on day one events
-Megan and I cross lynch
-After about a half hour of everyone going at it:
Puff lynches me with intent to bus
Squinn lynches PUFF
Squinn switches to Megan
Puff qhammers Megan

Main things worth taking away this game:

-When I defended Puff against the early pushes on him, squinn immediately noted the association. Puff was later able to spin that in our favour by accusing squinn of setting the frame up
-Megan using POVPOE to say that if squinn and puff aren't partners, then I'm scum. She showed hesitance to act on this lynch since she didn't know if they were bussing or not but I acted preemptively and set up the cross lynch. Note that my lynch was completely unnecessary and prob put me and Puff in a worse spot so it was a good pressure tactic.
-Megan stated that she TR'ed Puff and Squinn backtracks on his read and lynches Megan. This was one of many fortunate coincidences and misplays that allowed us to steal a win so that was fun

I'd say the LyLo is worth reading in detail but it's long as hell so

[ForgotToFlush]

oh and s/o to snaq for the logs ty ty

[fireon1234]

pastebin.com/C1BLdSBg
Pastebin of PM's between Mafia
Theme: WNAS6
PL: Fireon1234 & Snaquaza- Mafia, KarlCreativeName & OM Room- VT, Cuddlesz & Jodram22- WW
D1: Jodram lynched. Cuddlesz dies with them
N1: Fireon1234 is chosen to die by WW's
D2: KarlCreativeName lynched

Recap of D1:
-Cuddlesz bussed partner
-Fireon1234 bussed partner
-Fireon1234 hammered Jodram22

Recap of Lylo:
-OM Room went AFK
-Snaquaza lead main discussions in trying to get players to think
-KarlCreativeName discusses why they believe OM Room is scum
-Snaquaza tells KarlCreativeName that they Townread them due to their willingness to explain and not lurk
-Snaquaza gently pushes Karl to lynch OM Room and hammers

Things to take away from this game
Cuddleszz bussing partner D1 with support from other players cost the WW's the game, becuase Jodram22 was actually lynched. This lead to not only Jodram22 dying, but also Cuddleszz. I noticed that no one was on Snaquaza or had any interest in lynching them, so I bussed to make it seem as if we were not partners. Bussing is sometimes okay is the point of this example. When used very carefully and not with the support of other players leading to your demise, bussing is helpful. Think before you bus. Another key point in the game was Lylo. The interaction between Snaquaza and Karl. Snaquaza knew that Karl was partly new and used this to their advantage. They gently pushed Karl to lynched the AFK OM Room leading to a quick hammer. Point of this is to know your opponent and not to seem to pushy in Lylo, but to still be a confident and active player.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

SPOILER: Click to show

[08:45:09] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">The game of Mafia is starting!</div>
[08:45:09] The roles are being distributed...
[08:45:09] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">The roles have been distributed.</div>
[08:45:09] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Day 1. The hammer count is set at 5</div>
[08:45:09] |c:|1525092309|~|**Players (8)**: Snaquaza ◢ ◤, RegeFire, Fireon1234, Cuddleszz, Userchange, Jodram22, OM Room, Sceptorus
[08:45:11] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Naga's Storm 5 minute deadlines y/y
[08:45:13] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has lynched Fireon1234.
[08:45:15] Jodram22: aw
[08:45:17] The deadline has been set for 6 minutes.
[08:45:18] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: plur secured !
[08:45:19] +RegeFire: Oh nice
[08:45:21] Naga's Storm: **have fun :^**
[08:45:25] +RegeFire: Bomb OM Room
[08:45:25] Sceptorus has lynched Jodram22.
[08:45:28] Userchange has lynched RegeFire.
[08:45:28] +RegeFire: Darn.
[08:45:32] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: suicide bomber could you start the game by sacrificing yourself
[08:45:32] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: ty
[08:45:37] Fireon1234: gosh dang it snaq
[08:45:38] +RegeFire: I tried :I
[08:45:41] Sceptorus: O shit
[08:45:48] Cuddleszz: oh wahts this theme
[08:45:49] RegeFire has lynched OM Room.
[08:45:50] Fireon1234: cani omgus
[08:45:51] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: it's KWG
[08:45:53] Fireon1234: without dying
[08:45:59] @om Room: bomb RegeFire
[08:46:01] +RegeFire: Noo
[08:46:02] @om Room: Darn.
[08:46:06] @om Room: lmao
[08:46:07] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: mafia-showdown.weebly.com/kids-with-guns.html
[08:46:08] +RegeFire: >copies me entirely
[08:46:13] +RegeFire: Found scum
[08:46:15] @om Room: that's the joke
[08:46:21] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has shifted their lynch from Fireon1234 to Cuddleszz
[08:46:23] Userchange: Kek
[08:46:26] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Fireon1234 now you cant omgus :^
[08:46:30] Cuddleszz: LOL
[08:46:34] Naga's Storm: **Bombs and ICs should bold in main, any fakes will be modkilled and likely gamebanned**
[08:46:37] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: tho fr asking whether you can omgus without dying is kinda scummy in itself
[08:46:40] @om Room: cool cool
[08:46:48] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: !mafia players
[08:46:48] |c:|1525092408|~|**Players (8)**: Snaquaza ◢ ◤, RegeFire, Fireon1234, Cuddleszz, Userchange, Jodram22, OM Room, Sceptorus
[08:46:53] Cuddleszz has lynched Sceptorus.
[08:46:56] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: is everyone here, I don't see Jodram rn
[08:46:57] Cuddleszz: wheres this
[08:46:59] Userchange has unlynched RegeFire.
[08:47:00] Jodram22: i am here
[08:47:00] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: and Userchange hasn't done anything yet
[08:47:02] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: and Sceptorus..
[08:47:05] RegeFire has shifted their lynch from OM Room to Sceptorus
[08:47:08] RegeFire has unlynched Sceptorus.
[08:47:10] RegeFire has lynched Cuddleszz.
[08:47:12] Cuddleszz: kill the lurk scum
[08:47:12] Userchange: Snaq I’m just gathering reads
[08:47:13] +RegeFire: Wrong person
[08:47:13] Sceptorus: Oh
[08:47:18] @om Room: are we just lynching lurkers
[08:47:20] +RegeFire: Sorry scept
[08:47:23] Jodram22: idk what rege is doing
[08:47:24] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: we're forming reads !
[08:47:29] Cuddleszz: safer lynchers
[08:47:30] Fireon1234 has lynched Snaquaza ◢ ◤.
[08:47:32] Sceptorus: I apologise for my sins
[08:47:34] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Cuddleszz isn't as lurky as some others yet im lynching him
[08:47:36] Fireon1234: reeee
[08:47:37] Fireon1234: ads
[08:47:39] @om Room: Fair Snaquaza
[08:47:48] @om Room: Fireon1234, why the snaquaza lynch
[08:47:49] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Userchange what reads
[08:47:53] Fireon1234: for reeeeeee ads
[08:47:55] Sceptorus: But it doesnt look like you have done anything yourselvea snaq
[08:47:58] @om Room: you tryna defend Cuddleszz here?
[08:47:59] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I have
[08:48:01] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I have awoken you
[08:48:03] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: if you didn't notice
[08:48:07] Userchange: Cuddleszz SR for lynching lurkers
[08:48:08] +RegeFire: Fireon1234 stop the filler please
[08:48:17] 3 minutes left!
[08:48:19] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Cuddleszz why do you SR Sceptorus?
[08:48:24] Cuddleszz: lurker obv
[08:48:26] Sceptorus: Oh right that contributes,doesnt it
[08:48:29] Userchange: smh
[08:48:31] Userchange has lynched Cuddleszz.
[08:48:43] @om Room: Honestly I get the sentiment
[08:48:45] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Cuddleszz what do you think of the statements he made now?
[08:48:49] Fireon1234: Snaquaza is seeming very calm under the circumstances as if trying not to gain attention of he lyncher. before he was okay with me talking about lynching him and was okay about talking baout, but when i did he irgnored it as scum would trying not to draw attention to lynch
[08:48:57] @om Room: wdym by that
[08:49:01] Fireon1234: this is my read
[08:49:08] @om Room: That...
[08:49:11] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I always ignore RVS on me since there's no real point to react to it for me
[08:49:12] Cuddleszz: long
[08:49:13] +RegeFire: Cuddleszz, you also realize that lurking =/ scum?
[08:49:14] @om Room: makes less sense than I think
[08:49:18] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: anyway Cuddleszz if you are a PR claim now
[08:49:26] +RegeFire: Targeting lurkers just hurts us
[08:49:28] Cuddleszz: I claim one shot vig
[08:49:31] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: targeting lurkers doesnt hurt us per se
[08:49:36] Sceptorus: What
[08:49:37] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: bc we dont want lurkers in lylo optimally
[08:49:40] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has unlynched Cuddleszz.
[08:49:43] RegeFire has unlynched Cuddleszz.
[08:49:43] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has lynched Userchange.
[08:49:48] Userchange: Subbing would be better :/
[08:49:53] Sceptorus: What the fuck are those
[08:49:55] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: subbing would be better for what?
[08:49:57] OM Room has lynched Cuddleszz.
[08:50:01] @om Room: I cc that
[08:50:02] @om Room: gtfo
[08:50:02] +RegeFire: No one cc imo
[08:50:03] Userchange: Wait
[08:50:04] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has shifted their lynch from Userchange to Cuddleszz
[08:50:07] +RegeFire: >he ccs
[08:50:09] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: wait
[08:50:09] Userchange: lemme rephrased that
[08:50:12] Sceptorus has shifted their lynch from Jodram22 to Cuddleszz
[08:50:12] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has unlynched Cuddleszz.
[08:50:13] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: real one
[08:50:14] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: shoot CC
[08:50:16] Sceptorus has unlynched Cuddleszz.
[08:50:16] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: thank you
[08:50:17] 1 minute left!
[08:50:19] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has lynched Userchange.
[08:50:22] Fireon1234: lol
[08:50:26] Userchange: Why me tho
[08:50:28] Fireon1234: Snaquaza good thinking
[08:50:28] Sceptorus: How are so many already
[08:50:29] Jodram22: OM Room?
[08:50:32] @om Room: Jodram22?
[08:50:34] Cuddleszz: ** bomb om room**
[08:50:38] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Userchange explain why I shouldn't lynch you rn
[08:50:38] Userchange: LOL
[08:50:38] Cuddleszz: **bomb om room**
[08:50:39] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: lol
[08:50:40] @om Room: me irl
[08:50:45] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">OM Room was eliminated! OM Room's role was <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#060">One Shot Vigilante</span>.</div>
[08:50:48] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: can we get extend 'cause bomb
[08:50:49] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Cuddleszz was eliminated! Cuddleszz's role was <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#F00">Mafia Suicide Bomber</span>.</div>
[08:50:49] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: ty
[08:50:49] Userchange: Snaq because rhis
[08:50:52] The deadline has been cleared.
[08:50:55] The deadline has been set for 4 minutes.
[08:50:57] +RegeFire: >OM Room CC'd
[08:51:03] Sceptorus: Why u cc
[08:51:04] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has unlynched Userchange.
[08:51:12] Sceptorus: Why om commit this
[08:51:16] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">The hammer count has been set at 4, and lynches have been reset.</div>
[08:51:19] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: considering whether User would bus partner this early
[08:51:24] Userchange: Why I should it that I get my reads right and I’m not believed
[08:51:29] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: he didn't put plur on Cuddleszz so not sure but now i find him not to be the best lynch rn
[08:51:36] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: !mafia players
[08:51:36] |c:|1525092696|~|**Players (6)**: Snaquaza ◢ ◤, RegeFire, Fireon1234, Userchange, Jodram22, Sceptorus
[08:51:37] Fireon1234 has lynched Snaquaza ◢ ◤.
[08:51:45] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has lynched Jodram22.
[08:51:48] Jodram22: Fireon1234 Snaquaza is the worst lynch rn
[08:51:53] Fireon1234: is it tho?
[08:51:55] 3 minutes left!
[08:51:56] Jodram22: yes
[08:52:05] Fireon1234: then ur the best lynch over scept and user lol
[08:52:14] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: why would I hard push my partner at the beginning of the game
[08:52:18] +RegeFire: Well
[08:52:24] Userchange: Because town credit?
[08:52:24] Sceptorus: Ok so fireon went and did one lynch and proceeded into lurk mode
[08:52:25] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: anyway why do you TR Scept Fireon
[08:52:35] Fireon1234: i don't
[08:52:35] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: and not even mention Rege
[08:52:39] Fireon1234: i just sr jodram more
[08:52:48] Jodram22: sr me for what
[08:52:51] Fireon1234: bc of lurk mode
[08:52:54] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: ugh people are being paranoid af
[08:52:59] Fireon1234: he's not benefiting town at all
[08:53:12] Fireon1234: the only purple i see is rege and user
[08:53:12] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I do agree Jodram was / is being scummy
[08:53:22] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: even though Id like to keep him for his sentiment regarding me >_>
[08:53:24] +RegeFire: What I don't really like is how easily Userchange went back on Cuddleszz, its like he was trying to jump for an easy bus for town credit
[08:53:42] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: wait did he unlynch and hop back on?
[08:53:44] Userchange: Says the one who got a vig bombed
[08:53:47] +RegeFire: Yea
[08:53:53] +RegeFire: Unlynched when vig claimed
[08:53:54] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: how did Rege get a vig bombed
[08:53:55] 1 minute left!
[08:53:57] Jodram22: om room claimed lol
[08:54:06] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: rege =/= om
[08:54:08] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: !mafia lynches
[08:54:08] |html|<div class="infobox"><strong>Lynches (Hammer: 4)</strong><br />1* Snaquaza ◢ ◤ (Fireon1234)<br />1 Jodram22 (Snaquaza ◢ ◤)<br /></div>
[08:54:09] +RegeFire: Then went back on when OM Room cc'd (which I don't know why)
[08:54:09] Jodram22: yea ik
[08:54:11] Userchange: Smh
[08:54:13] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: am i really getting lynched
[08:54:14] Jodram22: thats what im saying
[08:54:15] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: off one vote plur
[08:54:16] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤:
[08:54:20] Jodram22 has lynched Userchange.
[08:54:23] Userchange: Probably
[08:54:26] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has shifted their lynch from Jodram22 to Userchange
[08:54:30] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: not gonna let that happen ty
[08:54:34] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I'd prefer jodram still
[08:54:36] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: but /shrug
[08:54:37] Fireon1234: lol plurshift
[08:54:39] Userchange: Skgh
[08:54:44] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: obviously I'd plurshift lmao
[08:54:44] Jodram22: yes a good plurshift
[08:54:44] +RegeFire: I don't have a lot on Jodram22
[08:54:46] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: you're just tunneling
[08:54:49] Userchange: is this a counterwagon
[08:54:55] Time is up!
[08:54:55] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Night 1. PM the host your action, or idle.</div>
[08:54:55] Plurality is on Userchange
[08:55:00] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Userchange was eliminated! Userchange's role was <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#060">Innocent Child</span>.</div>
[08:55:02] Naga's Storm: gg town
[08:55:06] Naga's Storm: mafia send kill
[08:55:23] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Sceptorus was eliminated! Sceptorus's role was <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#060">VT</span>.</div>
[08:55:25] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Day 2. The hammer count is set at 3</div>
[08:55:25] |c:|1525092925|~|**Players (4)**: Snaquaza ◢ ◤, RegeFire, Fireon1234, Jodram22
[08:55:27] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has abstained from lynching.
[08:55:29] RegeFire has abstained from lynching.
[08:55:30] Naga's Storm: mylo
[08:55:32] +RegeFire: Don't hammer
[08:55:34] Fireon1234: good fricking job
[08:55:37] Jodram22: why didnt user claim
[08:55:37] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: sr on jodram, but fireon + me are going to be kept alive if its him
[08:55:39] Fireon1234: Snaquaza
[08:55:45] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: fireon why blame me
[08:55:49] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: you were the one who forced me to plurshift off jodram
[08:55:52] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: by lynching me
[08:55:55] Fireon1234: for plurshift lol. If ur vt why does it matter
[08:55:56] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: and he was the one who didnt claim
[08:55:59] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: because I am VT
[08:56:04] Fireon1234: why make that chance of lynching an ic
[08:56:06] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: User wasn't town per se in my perspective
[08:56:09] Fireon1234: a clear in mlylo
[08:56:13] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: IC should always claim before getting lynched..?
[08:56:19] Fireon1234: bc ur scum and didn't want the game to end
[08:56:20] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: You are really tunneling hard y'know
[08:56:31] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Can you even CONSIDER someone else please
[08:56:33] Fireon1234: u killed vt bc u plurshifted bc u didn't want to die
[08:56:34] The deadline has been set for 2 minutes.
[08:56:36] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: it's really awful if someone isn't going you a chance
[08:56:42] Jodram22: not wanting o die isnt scummy
[08:56:42] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: > u killed vt
[08:57:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: fireon could you please try to not tunnel
[08:57:09] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: this is absolutely tiring
[08:57:10] Fireon1234: he wanted Jodram22 to be lynched
[08:57:12] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: yes
[08:57:13] Fireon1234: that was his sr
[08:57:22] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: that doenst mean
[08:57:26] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I hard TRd user
[08:57:30] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: and would let myself get lynched
[08:57:33] Fireon1234: but he killed a tr. Why not let himself die instead of giving that chance of IC dying
[08:57:34] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: by your bs af 1 vote plur
[08:57:34] 1 minute left!
[08:57:37] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: bc other town refused to lynch
[08:57:38] +RegeFire: Fireon1234 what are your thoughts on me and Jodram22?
[08:57:41] Fireon1234: just be selfish town then
[08:57:45] +RegeFire: Snaquaza
[08:57:46] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: User wasn't a TR ?_?
[08:57:50] +RegeFire: Why not push Jodram22 then?
[08:57:53] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: RegeFire I did
[08:57:55] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: no one lynched him
[08:57:57] Jodram22: user wasnt townie at all
[08:58:07] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I shifted bc me dying there would've been huge bs
[08:58:18] Jodram22: but this tunnel by fireon is concerning
[08:58:21] Fireon1234: exactly. Snaq was just saying he hard tr bc we know he is town now lmao
[08:58:27] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: uhm no
[08:58:28] Fireon1234: i'm just pissed jodram sorry
[08:58:31] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I said I didn't hard TR him
[08:58:34] Time is up!
[08:58:34] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Night 2. PM the host your action, or idle.</div>
[08:58:34] Plurality is on No Lynch
[08:58:37] Naga's Storm: Mafia send kill
[08:59:16] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Jodram22 was eliminated! Jodram22's role was <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#060">VT</span>.</div>
[08:59:18] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Day 3. The hammer count is set at 2</div>
[08:59:18] |c:|1525093158|~|**Players (3)**: Snaquaza ◢ ◤, RegeFire, Fireon1234
[08:59:26] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: tf i actually thought he was scum
[08:59:27] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: anyway
[08:59:29] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: that **doenst mean**
[08:59:29] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I hard TRd user
[08:59:44] +RegeFire: Fireon1234 thoughts on me?
[08:59:46] Fireon1234: okay i might be leaning toward rege now. it makes sense but im not sure
[09:00:08] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: brb backreading to consider possibility of rege bus, hl me if needed until then
[09:00:09] Fireon1234: you killed jodram bc u knew i only wanted to kill snaq. so keep pme and him in lylo and that would mean a win for u
[09:00:24] Fireon1234: if i lynched based off last day
[09:00:27] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Rege why did you lynch him?
[09:00:28] +RegeFire: Fireon1234, I would have killed you because snaq read you
[09:00:32] Naga's Storm: (Try to be quick, fish should start soon)
[09:00:39] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: read him what?
[09:00:41] Fireon1234: why would u kill me rege
[09:00:42] +RegeFire: And I lynched Cuddleszz because his reasoning on scept was pretty poor
[09:00:47] Fireon1234: bc he read me?
[09:01:03] +RegeFire: As well as hypocritical
[09:01:14] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: you lynched him before he explained it though?
[09:01:30] +RegeFire: He put it up before
[09:01:47] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: oh, you mean where he said "where this"?
[09:02:16] +RegeFire: Yea
[09:02:23] +RegeFire: I assumed he lynched because he was lurking
[09:02:28] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Fireon fr though why did you tunnel so hard yesterday
[09:02:40] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I feel like I can't read you on anything but that tunnel
[09:02:53] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Rege why didn't you lynch day 2 when Userchange got lynched?
[09:03:04] +RegeFire: It was mylo
[09:03:07] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: no it wasn't
[09:03:11] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: wait
[09:03:13] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i mean day 1*
[09:03:15] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: after shot
[09:03:16] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: mb
[09:03:16] +RegeFire: Oh
[09:03:19] Fireon1234: i was upset
[09:03:28] +RegeFire: I didn't get a chance to do anything
[09:03:35] +RegeFire: I keep missing the dl prompts
[09:03:40] Fireon1234: i sr both of u with different reasons
[09:03:45] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: inaction seems like a way of quietly letting a town get lynched from plur without being noticed
[09:03:51] Fireon1234: Snaquaza who do u sr
[09:03:58] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: tbh I TRd you both before today so its interesting that jodram got killed
[09:04:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: rn I SR Rege more than you tbh
[09:04:04] Fireon1234: and regefire who do u sr
[09:04:20] +RegeFire: I'm leaning for Fireon1234 snaq atm
[09:04:31] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: youre leaning towards us both?
[09:04:40] +RegeFire: SOrry
[09:04:48] +RegeFire: I lean to fire as town, you as scum
[09:04:54] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: interesting, why?
[09:04:59] Naga's Storm: (hi I haven't set a dl but I will if this goes much longer)
[09:05:08] Fireon1234: so u both sr each other. that makes this confusing
[09:05:17] +RegeFire: Fireon1234's reason for his tunnel is alright, but you shifted to Userchange with little reasoning
[09:05:22] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: uh
[09:05:29] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: what do you mean little reasoning
[09:05:31] +RegeFire: Plus you mentioned that Jodram22 was also scum, yet I didn't really see you pushing
[09:05:40] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: from my pov its always better for someone else to be lynched, as i'm conf town in my pov
[09:05:54] Fireon1234: wait. why would scum kill his sr
[09:06:03] Fireon1234: if that was his only push
[09:06:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I mentioned I wanted to lynch Jodram multiple times
[09:06:10] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: just that people like you did nothing
[09:06:21] +RegeFire: Killing SRs just makes you seem better
[09:06:21] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: so I was forced to get on Userchange as well, who was a weaker SR to me
[09:06:22] Fireon1234: choke time. Naga's Storm this is for time limit
[09:06:22] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: ugh w/e
[09:06:24] Fireon1234 has lynched RegeFire.
[09:06:25] Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has lynched RegeFire.
[09:06:25] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Hammer! RegeFire was lynched!</div>
[09:06:25] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">RegeFire was eliminated! RegeFire's role was <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#F00">Mafia Goon</span>.</div>
[09:06:25] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Night 3. PM the host your action, or idle.</div>
[09:06:30] Naga's Storm: gg town
[09:06:32] |uhtml|mafia|<div class="infobox">The game of Mafia has ended.</div>

I'm going to analyse this game from my point of view.

Day 1:

• I started off the game by a Random Vote to start getting reads, and trying to get everyone active in the game.
• Cuddleszz' first comments seem forced and useless. I lynch him for this.
• He doesn't get better so I stay on him. In the meantime, Fireon's tunnel starts.
• Cuddleszz claims OS Vig to lure out the real one to claim. It was probably better for the real one to stay quiet and shoot the CC.
• After the counterclaim, there's pressure on Cuddleszz again and he bombs the real OS Vig.

• Lynches get reset, I suspect Jodram for similar reasons as Cuddleszz. I didn't see him much and suspect him to be Mafia trying to stay under the radar.
• Fireon's tunnel gets worse and he lynches me, putting a long-standing one-vote plurality on me. I lynch Jodram.
• I feel like I played well thus far and was pretty townie so I wasn't planning on dying. When Jodram gave me an opportunity to plurshift I took it, as Userchange was fairly scummy to me as well. From my perspective it was definitely better for someone else to be lynched.
• RegeFire stays under the radar while townread (by me) for bussing. He doesn't give much useful comments, while saying something at times to look like he is participating.
• Userchange for some reason doesn't active Innocent Child during the final minute and gets lynched...

Day 2:

• I want to No Lynch, because it is MyLo.
• Fireon's push on me intensifies, and I spend most of my day defending myself. I townread him though, because the push seems genuine and I wouldn't think scum would expose themselves this much, especially not against a relatively hard target.
• RegeFire stays under the radar.
• Jodram is scummy to me, but he is making sense. I did think about that, but discarded it.

Day 3:

• Jodram is killed. I TRd both players left.
• I realise that RegeFire would never have let the current end of Day 1 occur as town. He would've lynched someone, as he would've TRd me and not let me die to one vote plurality. He probably really wanted this to happen.
• Fireon realises that I wouldn't have killed my SR as scum, and that it could be an easy setup by scum by leaving us two alive.
• Was too scared to lynch immediately, when I end up lynching Fireon does too and we end up hammering RegeFire suddenly.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Probably forgot a lot in the above game but if you have any questions feel free to ask. I feel it went pretty well. Especially happy that I realised that RegeFire would never let a day like Day 1 happen as town.

[Bomb Moss]

Apr 26, 2018 15:55:37 GMT fireon1234 said:

pastebin.com/C1BLdSBg
Pastebin of PM's between Mafia
Theme: WNAS6
PL: Fireon1234 & Snaquaza- Mafia, KarlCreativeName & OM Room- VT, Cuddlesz & Jodram22- WW
D1: Jodram lynched. Cuddlesz dies with them
N1: Fireon1234 is chosen to die by WW's
D2: KarlCreativeName lynched

Recap of D1:
-Cuddlesz bussed partner
-Fireon1234 bussed partner
-Fireon1234 hammered Jodram22

Recap of Lylo:
-OM Room went AFK
-Snaquaza lead main discussions in trying to get players to think
-KarlCreativeName discusses why they believe OM Room is scum
-Snaquaza tells KarlCreativeName that they Townread them due to their willingness to explain and not lurk
-Snaquaza gently pushes Karl to lynch OM Room and hammers

Things to take away from this game
Cuddleszz bussing partner D1 with support from other players cost the WW's the game, becuase Jodram22 was actually lynched. This lead to not only Jodram22 dying, but also Cuddleszz. I noticed that no one was on Snaquaza or had any interest in lynching them, so I bussed to make it seem as if we were not partners. Bussing is sometimes okay is the point of this example. When used very carefully and not with the support of other players leading to your demise, bussing is helpful. Think before you bus. Another key point in the game was Lylo. The interaction between Snaquaza and Karl. Snaquaza knew that Karl was partly new and used this to their advantage. They gently pushed Karl to lynched the AFK OM Room leading to a quick hammer. Point of this is to know your opponent and not to seem to pushy in Lylo, but to still be a confident and active player.

More of a general thing and the theme/game isn't really great at explaining your point. I get what you're trying to say and I think it's largely correct, but I think your analysis and learning points should belong in a separate place, maybe in the #strategy-discussion in the discord or in another thread in Mafia Discussion.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

I think it was fair enough. It wasn't a great game per se, but it did clearly show some things. He didn't try to make it more than what it was either.

Plus, he actually posted something unlike 98% of the users lol.

[Bomb Moss]

May 11, 2018 19:52:09 GMT Snaq ◢ ◤ said:

I think it was fair enough. It wasn't a great game per se, but it did clearly show some things. He didn't try to make it more than what it was either.

Plus, he actually posted something unlike 98% of the users lol.

ehhh ok ig lol

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Game that just happened of Greater Idea. Especially Day 1 has some good quotes where I feel like you can really see scumplay clear and thus I want to explain it, as I think people could learn something from it. Will also include a nice tidbit from later. Anyway, I'll try to post it in readable parts.

Early Day 1

SPOILER: Click to show

[13:30:14] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Day 1. The hammer count is set at 6</div>
[13:30:14] |c:|1565458214|~|**Players (10)**: Jocus, Jeejus, Snaquaza ◢ ◤, ba ttler444, Sentimentality, Latios220044, Gimm1ck, Happylappy☂, MewForUbers, Hgcrafter247

[13:30:16] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: lowkey annoyed i discarded mason, but didn't want to take the risk of being solo. Gimm1ck in a different universe we could've been Mason partners
[13:30:16] |c:|1565458216|~|Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has lynched MewForUbers.
[13:30:16] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: lynch those with a bad connection! - side note: took us long enough to get here
[13:30:16] Latios220044: LMFAAOOOO
[13:30:19] |raw|<strong>The deadline has been set for 10 minutes.</strong>
[13:30:21] ba ttler444: Hello
[13:30:22] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: ohey Latios220044
[13:30:22] ba ttler444: also
[13:30:23] gimm1ck : lmao
[13:30:24] gimm1ck : Snaquaza
[13:30:26] Latios220044: LOL
[13:30:26] Happylappy☂: o
[13:30:27] |c:|1565458227|~|Jocus has lynched ba ttler444.
[13:30:27] gimm1ck : I feel you
[13:30:27] Happylappy☂: hi
[13:30:28] ba ttler444: hardclaiming vt
[13:30:30] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Latios220044 using 4 Os is scummy
[13:30:33] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤:
[13:30:34] |c:|1565458234|~|Gimm1ck has lynched Snaquaza ◢ ◤.
[13:30:35] Sentimentality: >lynch those with a bad connection
[13:30:37] Sentimentality: scumline
[13:30:39] gimm1ck : discarding mason is scummy
[13:30:43] Latios220044: Gimm1ck saying that in this room
[13:30:44] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I already clarified
[13:30:46] Jeejus: meowww
[13:30:48] Latios220044: and saying wrong room
[13:30:48] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: but i agree
[13:30:49] ba ttler444: Zz my rolls sucked
[13:30:49] |c:|1565458249|~|Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has shifted their lynch from MewForUbers to Gimm1ck
[13:30:50] Latios220044: was funny af
[13:30:51] |c:|1565458251|~|Jocus has shifted their lynch from ba ttler444 to Snaquaza ◢ ◤
[13:30:52] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i agree lynching mason is scummy
[13:30:54] Hgcrafter247: henlo
[13:30:57] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: *discarding
[13:30:58] Jocus: lynch snaq for nonsense
[13:31:00] |c:|1565458260|~|Jeejus has lynched Hgcrafter247.
[13:31:01] Latios220044: Anyways
[13:31:01] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: yawn
[13:31:01] MewForUbers: Mb i am dc on my phone
[13:31:02] Jocus: you didn't discard solo
[13:31:03] Hgcrafter247: oof
[13:31:05] MewForUbers: but im still here
[13:31:07] Jeejus: [23:01:01] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i agree lynching mason is scummy
[13:31:10] Jeejus: i agree with snaq
[13:31:10] |c:|1565458270|~|Sentimentality has lynched Happylappy☂.
[13:31:11] Jeejus: <3
[13:31:13] Latios220044: Lynching Gimm for giving me a laugh attack pregame
[13:31:15] |c:|1565458275|~|Latios220044 has lynched Gimm1ck.
[13:31:16] Sentimentality: Happylappy is guilty until proven innocent
[13:31:17] gimm1ck : Snaquaza did you claim mason?
[13:31:17] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: thank you for agreeing with wrong sentence
[13:31:21] Latios220044: ^
[13:31:25] Happylappy☂: hi let's not
[13:31:26] |c:|1565458286|~|ba ttler444 has lynched MewForUbers.
[13:31:29] Sentimentality: so far Happylappy is scum
[13:31:32] Jeejus: yw snaq
[13:31:32] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: did you see the *
[13:31:33] Jeejus: =D
[13:31:35] gimm1ck : Sentimentality why
[13:31:37] Latios220044: I like the train on Snaq ngl
[13:31:39] Sentimentality: Gimm1ck I can read haplap
[13:31:39] Happylappy☂: I can clear myself d2
[13:31:40] Sentimentality: thats why
[13:31:40] Sentimentality: xd
[13:31:41] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I do not.
[13:31:41] gimm1ck : Snaquaza yes
[13:31:44] |c:|1565458304|~|Sentimentality has unlynched Happylappy☂.
[13:31:51] |c:|1565458311|~|Hgcrafter247 has lynched MewForUbers.
[13:31:52] Sentimentality: ok my meta says ur town
[13:31:53] gimm1ck : did you see my layer if irony
[13:32:04] Latios220044: My discard is gonna make no sense when I claim
[13:32:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i did
[13:32:05] Latios220044: unfort
[13:32:07] gimm1ck : good
[13:32:07] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: that's why I OMGUSd you
[13:32:08] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: ;D
[13:32:12] Latios220044: LOL
[13:32:12] gimm1ck :
[13:32:12] Hgcrafter247: discard meta is good for rvs votes
[13:32:12] MewForUbers: My roles were bad
[13:32:13] Hgcrafter247: so
[13:32:17] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I realised a __little__ late tho
[13:32:25] ba ttler444: Discard meta is useless

This part is largely, as it said, the start of the game. Random lynches, a bit of meming, and the opportunity for the earliest reads. It is generally not important, and you can skip it. However, there's a few things that can be dissected from this part, which I'm talking about in the next part, where people start forming actual reads. First though, I think that people should play it cool in the first part, don't care too much, and I guess this is an example of it.

The lines of note here are Jocus'. He'll be the person who's play is dissected here in general, so pay good attention! I highlighted the lines to view them in context.

[13:30:58] Jocus: lynch snaq for nonsense
[13:31:02] Jocus: you didn't discard solo

This is a fine reason to go for someone in RVS - I disagree it was nonsense, but claiming it is yeah sure. The Discarding solo was nitpicky, but alas. It already reads a bit odd by trying too much to give a real reason that turns out as something that's not true, but fair enough at this point of the game. Reactions can be important.

Mid-Day

SPOILER: Click to show

[13:32:27] gimm1ck : Latios220044 why would ya even say that though
[13:32:35] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: anyway i dont like happy, jocus slots rn so
[13:32:37] Latios220044: Because
[13:32:37] MewForUbers: it gives us something to do first day
[13:32:38] |c:|1565458358|~|Sentimentality has lynched Latios220044.
[13:32:38] |c:|1565458358|~|Snaquaza ◢ ◤ has shifted their lynch from Gimm1ck to Jocus
[13:32:41] Latios220044: I just slipped
[13:32:46] Sentimentality: I know
[13:32:50] Jocus: nice omgus
[13:32:51] Sentimentality: jk i dont know
[13:32:55] Latios220044: LO
[13:32:55] Sentimentality: but ur scum for the winky face
[13:32:55] Sentimentality:
[13:33:00] Latios220044: ;D
[13:33:01] |c:|1565458381|~|Gimm1ck has shifted their lynch from Snaquaza ◢ ◤ to ba ttler444
[13:33:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: why would I shift off a 2p omgus onto a 1p omgus
[13:33:08] |c:|1565458388|~|Jeejus has shifted their lynch from Hgcrafter247 to Jocus
[13:33:09] Latios220044: LOL
[13:33:11] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: it seems like you're using omgus as a weak excuse
[13:33:14] Jeejus: snaqqy
[13:33:15] Jeejus: uwu
[13:33:16] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: to defend yourself and put me into a bad light
[13:33:21] Hgcrafter247: ^
[13:33:22] Latios220044: Wanna see something cool?
[13:33:24] |c:|1565458404|~|Latios220044 has shifted their lynch from Gimm1ck to MewForUbers
[13:33:24] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: whereas before you used a bad excuse & a nitpick to park onto me so far >:]
[13:33:24] Jeejus: no
[13:33:27] Latios220044: Boom
[13:33:30] Latios220044: l-3
[13:33:30] Jocus: it sounds like you're simply dismissing my argument
[13:33:34] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Am I?
[13:33:35] Jeejus: he is
[13:33:36] Jeejus: LOL
[13:33:36] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: What's your argument
[13:33:38] MewForUbers: how is that cool
[13:33:46] Jeejus: Wanna see something cool?
[13:33:48] |c:|1565458428|~|Jeejus has shifted their lynch from Jocus to MewForUbers
[13:33:50] Jeejus: Boom
[13:33:50] gimm1ck : The emergence of the rap scene was at the epicenter of this cultural explosion. After all, rap embodies everything which was forbidden in the Soviet Union.
[13:33:50] Latios220044: Imagine taking omgussing seriously d1
[13:33:50] Jeejus: l-2
[13:33:52] gimm1ck : fuck
[13:33:52] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: !code
[13:33:52] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3">[06:53] Jocus: lynch snaq for nonsense<br />[06:57] Jocus: you didn't discard solo<br />[08:45] Jocus: nice omgus</code></div></div>
[13:33:55] Jocus: lynching someone for "nonsense" is non-alignment-indicative
[13:33:56] Latios220044: LOL
[13:33:56] MewForUbers: Why are 4 people on me
[13:34:00] Latios220044: GIMM DID IT AGAIN
[13:34:00] *Kid A: Latios220044, Do not abuse caps.
[13:34:04] Latios220044: Rofl
[13:34:04] Hgcrafter247: MewForUbers is simply agreeing with what others say, and ignoring the pressure on him
[13:34:12] |c:|1565458452|~|Gimm1ck has shifted their lynch from ba ttler444 to Snaquaza ◢ ◤
[13:34:15] gimm1ck : er
[13:34:16] MewForUbers: I haven’t agreed with anything anyone said
[13:34:20] |c:|1565458460|~|Gimm1ck has shifted their lynch from Snaquaza ◢ ◤ to Jocus
[13:34:21] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: The first is fair for a RVS, but you continued it - seeming to park on me to try to keep plur on me as that'd be advantageous to you. then a nitpick I think over my initial statement
[13:34:21] |c:|1565458461|~|Latios220044 has shifted their lynch from MewForUbers to Gimm1ck
[13:34:24] MewForUbers: and I just asked why all u losers on me
[13:34:24] |c:|1565458464|~|Jeejus has shifted their lynch from MewForUbers to Jocus
[13:34:24] gimm1ck : misclick
[13:34:24] ba ttler444: Er
[13:34:29] Jeejus: =D
[13:34:30] Jocus: >jeejus shifts back
[13:34:30] Hgcrafter247: i mean the 1 message you said
[13:34:31] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: and then finally calling omgus to defend yourself when i got onto you for a valid reason, i feel
[13:34:35] Hgcrafter247: was agreeing
[13:34:36] Latios220044: Gimm talking about the history of russian rapping is scummy af
[13:34:39] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: so how do you feel about these points
[13:34:40] ba ttler444: Why were you guys on mewforubers
[13:34:45] ba ttler444: and then shifted
[13:34:46] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: as you feel like i was just dismissing you?
[13:34:51] Latios220044: lol
[13:34:51] Jeejus: at least
[13:34:54] Jeejus: it aint russian fapping
[13:34:57] Jeejus: ,_,
[13:35:00] Latios220044: Ooof
[13:35:00] gimm1ck : Snaquaza I'm more concerned about the cw to MewForUbers in response to Jocus Lynch honestly
[13:35:03] |c:|1565458503|~|Gimm1ck has shifted their lynch from Jocus to Jeejus
[13:35:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: is that referring to Gimm1ck, Jeejus
[13:35:07] Jeejus: yeh
[13:35:08] Jeejus: woahh
[13:35:09] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: oh I didn't even notice that
[13:35:12] Hgcrafter247: i mean ive been on them to whole time
[13:35:13] Hgcrafter247: so
[13:35:15] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: what's the reason for it besides inactivity so far, is that the only part?
[13:35:25] MewForUbers: What’s jocus done
[13:35:27] Jocus: snaq is playing moderate filler troll
[13:35:31] gimm1ck : want more people on Jeejus
[13:35:32] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: "troll"?
[13:35:33] gimm1ck : >troll
[13:35:34] Sentimentality: unblocker pls target Happylappy
[13:35:34] Jeejus: =[
[13:35:36] Sentimentality: thanks
[13:35:37] Sentimentality:
[13:35:37] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: how's giving reasons to lynch you a troll
[13:35:39] Hgcrafter247: well honestly its mainly inactvity and not contributing
[13:35:41] Hgcrafter247: but d1
[13:35:41] Happylappy☂:
[13:35:47] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: re: MewForUbers it seems like an easy lynch on someone who's not done much but also doesn't deserve to be lynched rn
[13:35:50] Happylappy☂: unblocker on me
[13:35:51] Hgcrafter247: and also this
[13:35:51] Sentimentality: Don't me
[13:35:51] Happylappy☂: yeah
[13:35:52] Hgcrafter247: MewForUbers: Solo Judas
[13:35:55] Jocus: it's my buzzword for any behavior that makes the game less fun
[13:35:57] Sentimentality: u jerk!?!
[13:35:59] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: their phone is believable and otherwise they seem like they're trying to keep up
[13:36:04] |c:|1565458564|~|ba ttler444 has shifted their lynch from MewForUbers to Jeejus
[13:36:07] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: do you feel like
[13:36:07] MewForUbers: You wanted me to pick that?
[13:36:15] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i'm just making the game less fun bc im lynching you
[13:36:17] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: or what exactly
[13:36:17] Hgcrafter247: the probelm is snaq v jocus seems like it could be town v town
[13:36:18] Hgcrafter247: so
[13:36:18] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: bc i dont see it
[13:36:20] ba ttler444: Didn’t like the jeejus wagon onto mewforubers
[13:36:22] Jeejus: note battle
[13:36:24] Jeejus: lurking and lynching me
[13:36:25] Jocus: it's fillering
[13:36:27] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Hgcrafter247 what makes you believe so?
[13:36:31] Latios220044: Lol
[13:36:32] Jeejus: while buddying gimm
[13:36:33] Jeejus: =]
[13:36:35] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I feel like he's really grasping at straws to respond to me :X
[13:36:38] Latios220044: I like Jocus buddying Snaq
[13:36:38] Jocus: over-fillering and over-joking
[13:36:38] gimm1ck : Jeejus logs
[13:36:40] Sentimentality: Hgcrafter247 if Snaquaza vs Jocus is town v town
[13:36:41] Hgcrafter247: well jocus is just being dumb and omgussing
[13:36:42] Sentimentality: lynch Latios220044
[13:36:43] Sentimentality: for me
[13:36:44] Latios220044: and Jeejus buddying Gimm
[13:36:44] Sentimentality: :
[13:36:45] Sentimentality:
[13:36:45] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: filler? joking? :X
[13:36:47] gimm1ck : by your logic
[13:36:48] Hgcrafter247: which i feel like he wouldnt do as scum
[13:36:49] Latios220044: >lynch latios
[13:36:53] ba ttler444: Jeejus is overfillering
[13:36:59] gimm1ck : Snaquaza and Jeejus are budding too
[13:37:01] Hgcrafter247: and ur response is logical and he has no reason to be on u
[13:37:01] Jeejus: et tu?
[13:37:05] Latios220044: Senti didn't turboing lati d1 meme die?
[13:37:05] Jeejus: but me and snaq
[13:37:06] Jeejus: are buddies
[13:37:07] Jeejus: =(
[13:37:08] Hgcrafter247: if anything, jocus is scum
[13:37:09] Hgcrafter247: but imo
[13:37:10] Latios220044: Well
[13:37:14] Hgcrafter247: its less likely than mew being scum
[13:37:16] Latios220044: I would usually buddy with gimm

This is probably the most important part of the day. I start out by saying I find Happy and Jocus odd. I end up lynching Jocus, because I felt like he was trying to put an early plurality on me with mediocre reasoning - while pretending it was real and then parking. However, I also realised it was still early game and reads could change quickly. However, then his replies came... He called OMGUS. Okay, OMGUS is a thing, I called out two people and then lynched you. Fair enough. However, it's a weak defense to prove him just, while trying to keep me at bay. I explain my read quickly, and already feel more secure.

He says I'm dismissing his argument - which already seems desperate in trying to prove himself just, and me unjust, without particularly caring about who scum is - just trying to defend his read on me that was weak, probably afraid to be found out. I had just explained my point decently (I think) and gave reasoning, saying I just dismissed it is trying to find the easy way out without actually discussing the reason of the lynch and dissecting my points against him.

He then defends himself further, says lynching someone for that reason is NAI. He ignores the point that it was about: parking, and that it really wasn't nonsense, but that he tried to use it as a reason. I repeat my point, as he said I dismissed his, trying to explain exactly why I'm lynching him and trying not to "dismiss" him.

Then, although I was already fixated on him - I think this is the worst part that anyone would SR for. I ask him to respond to my points - to which he says that I'm playing a troll, later according to him anyone making the game less fun - while I'm trying to explain my reads to him. Here he is actually dismissing me, trying to use buzzwords to get out of the pressure and trying not to have to explain himself. Admitting he'd made a mistake earlier, or that it was for reads or RVS could've been the easy way out, but he's crumbling to pressure. He continues saying I'm fillering and joking, basically saying anything with which he doesn't have to respond to my points. Ignoring me, as the last thing it was is filler and joking. It was quite a hard push for my doing - I'm usually less confident than this, but self-meta aside, I think most people'd agree that that definitely is playing the game hard.

Late Day

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[13:37:16] Jeejus: if me and snaq are buddying
[13:37:18] Jeejus: lati and gimm
[13:37:19] |raw|<strong>3 minutes left!</strong>
[13:37:19] Jeejus: are buddying
[13:37:20] Latios220044: since I support communism
[13:37:21] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: anyway
[13:37:25] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: 1) this is way too divided rn
[13:37:28] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: take a stance please people
[13:37:32] Latios220044: But since he gave me a laugh attack
[13:37:34] Jocus: so that means if anything, mew is scum
[13:37:37] Sentimentality: I took my stance
[13:37:39] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: 2) i can see the Jeejus lynch, they've been active but without much content or analysis
[13:37:40] Jocus: like that hg
[13:37:44] Latios220044: by talking in the wrong room
[13:37:44] Jeejus:
[13:37:46] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: but id rather see Jocus lynched rn
[13:37:47] Sentimentality: I need people to follow my stance!
[13:37:47] |c:|1565458667|~|Latios220044 has shifted their lynch from Gimm1ck to Jocus
[13:37:54] Latios220044: I'll buddy snaq ;D
[13:37:54] Sentimentality: Hocus Pocus Jocus
[13:37:58] Jocus: >buddy
[13:38:03] Latios220044: ...
[13:38:04] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Sentimentality oh your stance on latios
[13:38:08] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: mind repeating your reasoning for me
[13:38:09] Sentimentality: yes sir
[13:38:09] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i didnt catch it
[13:38:12] Sentimentality: my reasoning is
[13:38:15] Sentimentality: he used a winky face
[13:38:17] Latios220044: LOL
[13:38:18] Sentimentality: therefore he is scum
[13:38:24] Hgcrafter247: i mean d1 there isnt much to go off
[13:38:25] Jeejus:
[13:38:25] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I...
[13:38:27] Sentimentality: what scum specifically you may ask?
[13:38:27] Latios220044: ^pro strats
[13:38:28] Hgcrafter247: but that has less substance
[13:38:29] Sentimentality: Mafia Cupid
[13:38:29] Jocus: nice reasoning senti
[13:38:29] Sentimentality: EZ
[13:38:31] Hgcrafter247: than other lynches
[13:38:36] Latios220044: >mafia cupid
[13:38:38] Jocus: get off me and shift
[13:38:38] Latios220044: LOLOLOL
[13:38:42] Jeejus: senti is
[13:38:42] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: senti are you over-fillering and over-joking...?
[13:38:44] Jeejus: so fucking good
[13:38:50] Sentimentality: no
[13:38:50] Jeejus: <3
[13:38:52] Sentimentality: neither of those things
[13:38:56] Hgcrafter247: senti is making big brain plays
[13:38:57] Sentimentality: I am over-right and over-correct
[13:39:00] Sentimentality: watch Latios220044 flip
[13:39:02] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Jocus why are you desperate without really pushing someone else w/ clear reasoning
[13:39:04] Latios220044: Nah
[13:39:09] Hgcrafter247: he could be lyncher
[13:39:09] MewForUbers: Jocus why don’t you just switch plur
[13:39:12] Latios220044: Lati flips VT
[13:39:12] Happylappy☂: Sentimentality is Day rolecop, confirmed
[13:39:14] Latios220044: ez
[13:39:15] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: it seems like you want to get just plur off you, don't care about onto who
[13:39:15] Jocus: isn't this tvt
[13:39:16] Jeejus: he cant
[13:39:19] |raw|<strong>1 minute left!</strong>
[13:39:20] MewForUbers: you don’t seem to be defending that hard
[13:39:20] Jeejus: switch plur
[13:39:22] |c:|1565458762|~|Jocus has shifted their lynch from Snaquaza ◢ ◤ to ba ttler444
[13:39:23] ba ttler444: The only thing jeejus is doing is random faces
[13:39:23] gimm1ck : aight im back
[13:39:25] Hgcrafter247: i said it could be
[13:39:29] Jeejus: wow battler
[13:39:34] Latios220044: Imagine not buddying Snaq
[13:39:35] Jocus: i hc os vig
[13:39:36] Sentimentality: Latios220044: Vanilla Townie
[13:39:36] Jocus: off
[13:39:36] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: tho one thing to note is that Jocus isn't getting on Jeejus
[13:39:37] Sentimentality: lol
[13:39:39] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: which is interesting
[13:39:40] Sentimentality: u discarded vt
[13:39:41] Latios220044: >os vig
[13:39:41] Sentimentality: for vt
[13:39:42] MewForUbers: jocus is scum get him
[13:39:45] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: imagine buddying anyone when you can think for yourself <3
[13:39:46] Hgcrafter247: he could be
[13:39:46] Latios220044: Senti
[13:39:46] |c:|1565458786|~|MewForUbers has lynched Jocus.
[13:39:48] Hgcrafter247: a solo alien
[13:39:49] Hgcrafter247: oof
[13:39:50] Latios220044: it looks stupid
[13:39:54] Latios220044: But i'm actually vt
[13:39:55] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: fr tho, if my reasoning doesn't make sense i dont want everyone to make my mistakes
[13:39:56] Latios220044: I shit you not
[13:39:58] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: i def dont catch everything
[13:40:01] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: mfw do we have 2 vt claims
[13:40:05] Latios220044: Snaq
[13:40:05] ba ttler444: Latios why the green text on os vig
[13:40:09] Sentimentality: Let Jocus prove himself
[13:40:09] Latios220044: coz
[13:40:09] gimm1ck : its not si
[13:40:11] Sentimentality: and shoot Snaquaza
[13:40:12] Sentimentality: EZ
[13:40:15] Latios220044: that's one of the easiest claims
[13:40:15] ba ttler444: Yes I hardclaimed vt
[13:40:16] Latios220044: ever
[13:40:16] Sentimentality: Snaquaza is scared of being shot
[13:40:19] Sentimentality: so he isnt getting off
[13:40:19] |raw|<strong>Time is up!</strong>
[13:40:19] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue">Night 1. PM the host your action, or idle.</div>
[13:40:19] Plurality is on Jocus

This is the part where the final push on him happened. Not much happens here, but I call for people to mobilise themselves. Luckily, I didn't have to put more attention to the matter than I already did. The final thing of note is that here I call him out for not trying to push anyone else as he tries his final gambits. Town should generally try to be making reads - not just tell people to get off them. This made me suspect he was solo scum who needed to survive to win, and was really panicking, which turned out to be the case. Luckily this all got him lynched, and I was really happy he flipped scum as I was already wondering what I'd do if it wasn't... I honestly felt kinda bad with how hard I focused on him (although I did try to comment on some other wagons).


tl;dr Jocus wants to avoid addressing points against him, first with bad reasoning, then by using buzzwords. This just digs him a deeper and deeper hole getting him lynched.

Bonus

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[13:45:58] Sentimentality: Snaquaza r u a targetting role
[13:45:59] Latios220044: I just like how I got double vanilla lol
[13:46:00] Hgcrafter247: confirm he is town
[13:46:03] Jeejus: kingmaker and gladiator
[13:46:03] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: I'm first clarifying w/ Rb
[13:46:06] Hgcrafter247: so either way we hit a neg town or scum
[13:46:08] gimm1ck: Snaquaza we can Lynch Jeejus tomorrow
[13:46:11] Jeejus: =[
[13:46:14] Sentimentality: All targetting roles target Latios220044
[13:46:14] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: whether cult instarecruits
[13:46:15] Sentimentality: EZ WIn
[13:46:15] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: okay
[13:46:19] #Snaquaza ◢ ◤: Rb220 confirmed black goo insta recruits
[13:46:21] Latios220044: >ez win
[13:46:25] Latios220044: Senti
[13:46:28] Latios220044: is goomaker?

Included Lati here for calling it out quickly, but we discovered there was a Black Goomaker because Latios claimed being made Black Goo (duh). I was king and had to pick between him and Jeejus (due to Gladiator) and picked him. Then Happylappy was confirmed Cult due to Kingmaker. Anyway, then during that night I reckoned I had to pressure Sentimentality the next day as it would make sense for him to be scum wanting Cult win, which ended up being the case! Quite a funny thing, but not as good of a showcase as it's more of a slip (and then acting on it by pressuring) than catching scumtells.

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This was such a vibe