GI Role Tiering

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These are viability rankings for Greater Idea, as in Smogon.

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Town:

Town-Confirmation Tier (SS):

• Bloodhound
• Hider
• Weak Jailkeeper

S Tier:

• Innocent Child
• Jailkeeper
• Mason Doctor
• OS Dayvig
• Parrot Role
• Roleblocker
• Tracker
• Treestump
• Vigilante
• Watcher

A Tier:

• Bulletproof Townie
• Cop
• Cop-of-all-Trades
• Doctor
• Jack-of-all-Trades
• Mason
• OS Commuter
• OS Gladiator
• OS Governor
• OS Kingmaker
• OS Unlynchable Townie
• OS Vigilante
• Reloader
• Seer
• Vanilla Cop

B Tier:

• Bodyguard
• Conspiracy Theorist
• Cop Lover
• FBI Agent
• Fruit Vendor
• Godfather
• Lynchbait
• Mason Lover
• Nurse
• Private Investigator
• Psychiatrist
• Retired Werewolf Hunter
• Retired Marine
• Supersaint
• Vengeful Townie

C Tier: 

• Vanilla Townie

D Tier:

• Compulsive Childkiller
• Enabler

• Evangelistic Townie
• Gravedigger
• Hero
• Hirsute Townie
• Lover
• Miller
• OS Paranoid Gun Owner
• Tentacled Townie
• Tourist
• Watchlisted Townie

F Tier:

• Ascetic Townie
• Black Goo
• Nymphomaniac
• Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

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Mafia:

S Tier:

• Cupid
• OS Dayvig
• Strongman

A Tier:

• Godfather
• Tracker

B Tier:

• Alpha Goon
• Fruit Vendor

C Tier:

• Goon

D Tier:

• Hirsute Goon
• Lover

F Tier:

• Reflexive Doctor

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Of all the possible roles in GI, there are:
83 Town Roles (57.2% of all roles)
20 Mafia Roles (32.3% of scum roles)
18 Werewolf Roles (29.0% of scum roles)
9 Solo Roles (14.5% of scum roles): specifically 4 are Serial Killers (6.5% of scum roles)
9 Alien Roles (14.5% of scum roles)
2 Cult Roles (3.2% of scum roles)
4 Multi-Alignment Roles (6.5% of scum roles)
62 Total Scum & Multi-alignment Roles (42.8% of all roles)
145 Total Roles (excluding Wild Card)

83 Town Roles compared to 62 Scum Roles: The balance problem of GI

There are 7 Lover roles in GI. 5 (71.4%) are town and 2 (28.6%) are scum.

[jodram22]

Treestump to B, not really that strong of a role, being able to talk after death isn't better than any inspecting role.
Watcher and Tracker to A, extremely powerful inspecting roles that can verify claims, only downfall is that they have scum counterparts.

Not sure how effective having C be "vanilla" is, because that limits non neg roles to 2 categories A and B.

[motogp]

supersaint and coat to b,coat is pretty situational and ss is straight up terrible if the game isnt majnox
Hider is S or one tier above OS Dayvig,it's basically a Bloodhound that can actually confirm himself,the only downfall is you die if you hit scum but you can literally clear people 100% just like Bloodhound and confirm people as scum even if they are Alpha etc + its not that easy to kill a Hider
Vengeful Townie really isnt that good even in lylo
Town Godfather is basically a named townie that gets inspected as town by Bloodhound even when there is a Psychotrooper,really not that good imo
joat is A>coat
Mafia Tracker really isnt that good

[jodram22]

OS dayvig S->A is a little high imo for the town variant. Would never take it over JK/IC/JOAT The mafia variant is S as it is pretty much a free win in mylo/lylo

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

JOAT is super unreliable and overrated. Cop is mediocre, Doctor is good when it succeeds but it has a large chance to do nothing. PL is decent, but meh.

[Fenrir]

Proposing that Vigilante and 1-shot Day Vigilante be moved down to A at best, they still require you to be accurate and are comparable to Vengeful Townie (which is currently in two lists) in that sense. Also comparable, of course to the already-in-A 1-shot Vigilante.

Innocent Child (which is currently in the A list twice) has S-tier potential imo, it's a free clear no matter how you spin it as opposed to the many psudeo-clears you get from most of the other roles currently in that tier.

Proposing that Treestump remain A as once it's dead the thoughts it puts forth are thoughts you can be certain are coming from town (the obvious downside being the need for them to have been lynched in the first place).

Proposition for an F-tier Mafia role: Mafia Compulsive Doctor.

[Fenrir]

Aug 18, 2018 16:04:16 GMT jodram22 said:

OS dayvig S->A is a little high imo for the town variant. Would never take it over JK/IC/JOAT The mafia variant is S as it is pretty much a free win in mylo/lylo

Requires you to get to that point first, though, and in MyLo you have to contend with the repercussions of the shot.

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Aug 18, 2018 23:54:15 GMT Fenrir said:

Proposing that Vigilante and 1-shot Day Vigilante be moved down to A at best, they still require you to be accurate and are comparable to Vengeful Townie (which is currently in two lists) in that sense. Also comparable, of course to the already-in-A 1-shot Vigilante.

Innocent Child (which is currently in the A list twice) has S-tier potential imo, it's a free clear no matter how you spin it as opposed to the many psudeo-clears you get from most of the other roles currently in that tier.

Proposing that Treestump remain A as once it's dead the thoughts it puts forth are thoughts you can be certain are coming from town (the obvious downside being the need for them to have been lynched in the first place).

Proposition for an F-tier Mafia role: Mafia Compulsive Doctor.

Mafia Compulsive Doctor doesn't exist.

[jodram22]

I believe he meant mafia reflexive doctor. Fen you just get people to nl in mylo, nk, dayvig. Only thing that can stop it would be some sort of bp role.