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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 8, 2021 0:08:43 GMT
well, if the player they are going to kill is clear not too soon before the deadline would could have a town-flip case and a scum-flip case prepared for who we swap with. do you agree with the general plan of swapping with a scummier player like maple or spiderz though? possibly ditch the totalitarian hang-threatening part Yes, but I don't think maple is scummy. |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 8, 2021 0:12:20 GMT
There's no rolling eyes emote on this forum, so please envision me rolling my eyes out of you for such a bad faith question (serious question) Serious or not, it's a question made in bad faith. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 0:14:12 GMT
well, if the player they are going to kill is clear not too soon before the deadline would could have a town-flip case and a scum-flip case prepared for who we swap with. do you agree with the general plan of swapping with a scummier player like maple or spiderz though? possibly ditch the totalitarian hang-threatening part Yes, but I don't think maple is scummy. yea after putting forward a minor towncase of my own and seeing the more serious case put forward by Lucas who has clearly looked into this more than I have I'm generally in agreement might be something to discuss with OM though |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 8, 2021 0:14:32 GMT
Also, if your main concern is the thread positioning of players, wouldn't the best option be to opt for a roleblock and not have a swap at all? very boring :V we could do a roleblock but for reasons I've mentioned previously here (https://ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/74464/thread) I think it probably would be better to not discuss the target of the roleblock Agreed. I mentioned really early on in the game that scum is not going to be threatened by the possibility of a roleblock. That hasn't changed and probably won't change until it is 1 person scum faction(s) left. Discussing swap targets may also be an issue due to the existence of spiderz's claimed role. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 0:16:25 GMT
if they do the relevant mechanical analysis of genny/dubz and decide those two are both extremely scummy it would make sense to swap with the one they don't hang I guess
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 8, 2021 0:18:39 GMT
so who would we swap with them? does anyone want to swap? Preferably we just swap someone ~suspicious~ out so it doesn't become a scum!majority on one side controlling votes and town!majority on the other side trying to trickle in - Animal is currently the one popping into my head w/ that in mind Why are you worried about scum!majority and town!majority between the two threads? The only swap that has happened is chaos and Lucas. Correct me if I am wrong, but you do not scumread either of them. You imply that Animal is ~suspicious~, and the discussion about scum/town!majority implies that you think there is a decent possibility that they are scum. Why do you want a scumread to swap out before the vote to kill stage in this thread tomorrow? |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 8, 2021 0:29:38 GMT
Preferably we just swap someone ~suspicious~ out so it doesn't become a scum!majority on one side controlling votes and town!majority on the other side trying to trickle in - Animal is currently the one popping into my head w/ that in mind Why are you worried about scum!majority and town!majority between the two threads? The only swap that has happened is chaos and Lucas. Correct me if I am wrong, but you do not scumread either of them. You imply that Animal is ~suspicious~, and the discussion about scum/town!majority implies that you think there is a decent possibility that they are scum. Why do you want a scumread to swap out before the vote to kill stage in this thread tomorrow? Basically, boils down to paranoia further down the line, where if we send all the power town to one thread, the other one will fail to progress the game to a stage where town can trust one another and therefore stagnate and mislynch a lot. Animal was realistically just a name i threw out because there isnt a stable majority of opinion from this thread - so seeing how they react in a new environment could progress thoughts on their slot. As for the, uh, suspicious before vote off - i was thinking moreso the ones who are suspicious but not, like, pressing to vote off at the current point, hence the ~suspicious~, I should have just outright said that instead of assuming you would get it. |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 8, 2021 0:35:41 GMT
very boring  we could do a roleblock but for reasons I've mentioned previously here (https://ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/74464/thread) I think it probably would be better to not discuss the target of the roleblock Agreed. I mentioned really early on in the game that scum is not going to be threatened by the possibility of a roleblock. That hasn't changed and probably won't change until it is 1 person scum faction(s) left. Discussing swap targets may also be an issue due to the existence of spiderz's claimed role. Would also support my theory of 10v3v1 2 scum factions 0 kills sounds odd, doesn't it? This you? What changed your mind here, re: different scum factions between now and then, or did you suspect two scum factions beforehand, and instead opted to make this post out of a need to feel like you're contributing or some other reason? |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 8, 2021 0:56:18 GMT
Agreed. I mentioned really early on in the game that scum is not going to be threatened by the possibility of a roleblock. That hasn't changed and probably won't change until it is 1 person scum faction(s) left. Discussing swap targets may also be an issue due to the existence of spiderz's claimed role. 2 scum factions 0 kills sounds odd, doesn't it? This you? What changed your mind here, re: different scum factions between now and then, or did you suspect two scum factions beforehand, and instead opted to make this post out of a need to feel like you're contributing or some other reason? Yes those two posts are in fact by me. "Faction(s)" means faction or factions, if that is not clear. This post is also by me: 1 is a 3rd party, could be any and all of: lyncher, executioner, alien, jester, cult, or some other non killing party sent to fuck up game, so its not really that out of place imo My other theory is 10v4 or 10v2v2 - what are your thoughts on those, and do you see any pairs that could fit in there? I am going to believe my own claim that scum are arsonists (crappy wording but you get my point), and say they are the main scumteam and consist of three or less players. Four arsonists seems too scum sided, and trying to guess the existence of 3rd party is impossible without extra info. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 8, 2021 1:47:33 GMT
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Post by OM~! on Feb 8, 2021 1:51:14 GMT
This you? What changed your mind here, re: different scum factions between now and then, or did you suspect two scum factions beforehand, and instead opted to make this post out of a need to feel like you're contributing or some other reason? Yes those two posts are in fact by me. "Faction(s)" means faction or factions, if that is not clear. This post is also by me: I am going to believe my own claim that scum are arsonists (crappy wording but you get my point), and say they are the main scumteam and consist of three or less players. Four arsonists seems too scum sided, and trying to guess the existence of 3rd party is impossible without extra info. I am a blind man, who is blind - my bad. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:01:47 GMT
we're almost at the halfway point and there's a total of one vote across both threads so
vote scorch
both OM and scorch seem on board with getting a scummy player in here for the elimination phase tomorrow but I think that OM's scumchance is probably higher and that partially due to activity he would be a larger asset for finding scum (as well as giving insight into his own alignment in the process) so I'd rather send scorch over as of now.
It is worth considering if we will even keep a 4-person town majority if we send over a town and take in a scum though
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:03:59 GMT
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 8, 2021 2:11:38 GMT
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:12:22 GMT
we're almost at the halfway point and there's a total of one vote across both threads so vote scorchboth OM and scorch seem on board with getting a scummy player in here for the elimination phase tomorrow but I think that OM's scumchance is probably higher and that partially due to activity he would be a larger asset for finding scum (as well as giving insight into his own alignment in the process) so I'd rather send scorch over as of now. It is worth considering if we will even keep a 4-person town majority if we send over a town and take in a scum though It's a pretty serious concern - if we think there were 2 scum in this 7-person thread at the beginning of this, which sounds reasonable, by swapping a town with a scum we would expect 3 scum and 3 town in this thread, which might make doing anything difficult. It wouldn't be as bad if it were multiball of course, but I still have reservations about doing that. It gets awkward because you start to ask, "who do we think is the scummiest player on our side so that we can send them over there to swap with a player we want to kill", which of course is weird because at some point if you are confident enough in the person you are sending over you might as well just keep them here so we can kill them tomorrow. Probably the best way to resolve this is to work through how scummy we think the players here are, and compare it to how scummy we think the players in the other thread are during this reward phase so we can decide if we actually want to bring over an sr or a tr to our side. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:13:32 GMT
we're almost at the halfway point and there's a total of one vote across both threads so vote scorchboth OM and scorch seem on board with getting a scummy player in here for the elimination phase tomorrow but I think that OM's scumchance is probably higher and that partially due to activity he would be a larger asset for finding scum (as well as giving insight into his own alignment in the process) so I'd rather send scorch over as of now. It is worth considering if we will even keep a 4-person town majority if we send over a town and take in a scum though It's a pretty serious concern - if we think there were 2 scum in this 7-person thread at the beginning of this, which sounds reasonable, by swapping a town with a scum we would expect 3 scum and 3 town in this thread, which might make doing anything difficult. It wouldn't be as bad if it were multiball of course, but I still have reservations about doing that. It gets awkward because you start to ask, "who do we think is the scummiest player on our side so that we can send them over there to swap with a player we want to kill", which of course is weird because at some point if you are confident enough in the person you are sending over you might as well just keep them here so we can kill them tomorrow. Probably the best way to resolve this is to work through how scummy we think the players here are, and compare it to how scummy we think the players in the other thread are during this reward phase so we can decide if we actually want to bring over an sr or a tr to our side. although at this point we are unable to meaningfully consider the scumminess of dubz/genny until those mechanical things get resolved |
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:14:47 GMT
town
chaos
scorr
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om
ani
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az
scum
no percentages rn bc I'm in a rush and this is just my quick thoughts
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:39:53 GMT
with players from the other thread spliced in it's probably something like
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lucas
chaos
scorr
bgb
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maple
om
ani
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az
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dubz and genny are both at the very least slightly below null (for non-mechanical reasons) but I didn't rank them because they are too volatile atm; once new mechanical information comes in they will become a lot clearer
litt I also chose not to rank for a similar reason but I lean town on him for purely mechanical reasons
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Post by quojova on Feb 8, 2021 2:42:19 GMT
with players from the other thread spliced in it's probably something like town lucaschaos scorr bgb------ maple om ani ------ spiderzaz scum dubz and genny are both at the very least slightly below null (for non-mechanical reasons) but I didn't rank them because they are too volatile atm; once new mechanical information comes in they will become a lot clearer litt I also chose not to rank for a similar reason but I lean town on him for purely mechanical reasons bgb's placement I did not think about too much because I doubt I ever find them scummier than all of dubz/genny/derz |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 8, 2021 8:24:18 GMT
hihi, im here, shoot your questions
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 8, 2021 10:03:48 GMT
Weekend over and didn't get much time to pay attention to the game yet, lightly skimming over the past thread rn and;
- I disliked bgb until EoD2. Their push on genny rn is sorta weak although I agree with all their reasons, want to see how this push will develop.
- Going just by interactions, Spiderz genuinely seems interactions. Majority of their posts seem to be more focused on purely defending themselves and there's little to no scumhunting. This isn't scummy in essence, but I don't exactly like posts like this where majority of it is just questions/comments which don't necessarily progress the game.
-> Going to borrow quo's take on why Spiderz's role is scummy. These are the exact points why I was inclined to believe that scum would be more cautious of claiming such a role, because out of all fakeclaims, claiming something that sounds so fishy seams bleak. Though this is wifom territory, and in the end I really don't like Spiderz's reaction to pressure anyway
- Litt's a really meh slot, they're weak in the scumhunting aspect but their day two was just weird. This post and the post following was focusing on the interaction-thingie we already went over day one which isn't necessarily scummy, but knowing the fact that they really didn't participate in a lot of other discussions day two I very lightly scumlean this slot
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 8, 2021 10:37:45 GMT
This series of posts was strange. Like I don't think being so angry and frustrated about a game of mafia that your thinking gets all warped to the point of making such a logical leap is an actual human thing (although this is contestable for sure). The phrasing of it just seems very dismissive of it like there's some content AZ wants to move away from. Perhaps he's trying to move away from how he leapt too quickly to "Alex's claim doesn't help him at all" in a self-preservation oriented move because he knew he was the only viable cw? And he says he'll "expand on that later" but that feels like a token expression planted to make the post most agreeable in a way that is not honest given that he has like a minute to discuss whether or not Alex is a good kill before he flips. Questions for you AlmostZero : How much of your scumread on Alex was motivated by not wanting to be voted off that same day? Currently, it looks slightly opportunistic. I'll address both of they revolve around the same things; Honestly, I'll be lying if I were to say that I wasn't motivated by myself being the only counterwagon. As facts are, I was pretty confident on my read at Alex. There was quite a bit of emotion on my initial reaction to their claim, although even after calming down there was little I could say because agreeing on saving alex at that point was practically suicide. As for my overall scumread on Alex, a large majority was genuine scumread on them. To reinstate why I scumread Alex, it was because an overall lack of scumhunting and their obsession with the tunnel on az. There was a lot of hostility and overall lack of cooperation from Alex, and if that was town!Alex then I honestly would have no clue how scum!Alex would play. A small minority did end up being emotional because I had started to enjoy the game less and was feeling demotivated due to their lack of acknowledgement of my posts, and well, meh. To further address quo, I'm not going to disagree that partially my reason to continue the lynch on Alex was an act of self-preservation, with emotions also playing an unfortunate amount as well. I honestly have no defense here, and well, I'm not proud of myself :/ As for the "expand on that later" part, I didn't mean to make people anticipate an answer on the same day |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 8, 2021 10:42:08 GMT
In my head, rift creation sounds like time-flavoured Arsonist douse, which would explain the lack of N1 kills. I think this is a real claim and a Town role. idk how relevant this is on scorr in particular but I play scum pretty safely where I can and I know I would never say this. Saying this I would feel pretty paranoid about what amount of knowledge would be deemed "reasonable inference" by the rest of the town, as well as to a lesser degree what they might do with that information. As in - what if the town turned on this post and went, "hold on, you inferred that the killing power might be arso-like a bit too quickly". I also think this post is not really the sort of thing people normally would townlean for so I don't really think it's some wifom maneuver to get towncred. do you guys agree? this isn't really something I know the general mindset of players well on so that cautiousness might only be a me thing Eh, in the case that scorrch is scum and that rift isn't actually arsonist based, they can simply state and there's little to no harm posed on them. I don't think town would pounce on him for inferring a mode of killing in a closed setup where have little to no information. There's also the fact that there was no kill day one, so I'm honestly more inclined to find scorrch more agreeable than something town can turn on him. do agree with the wifom part though, but I doubt I'll be able to give scorrch town points myself for this |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 8, 2021 10:55:06 GMT
well, if the player they are going to kill is clear not too soon before the deadline would could have a town-flip case and a scum-flip case prepared for who we swap with. do you agree with the general plan of swapping with a scummier player like maple or spiderz though? possibly ditch the totalitarian hang-threatening part rn im really not liking the plan, initial thought was bc they just have too much on their plate second thought was bc this way we'll just be dismissing any scumhunting from our thread, and i'm a hundred percent sure that there is at least one scum in our thread. this isn't coming from any mechanical or logical view, but rather a gut feeling where i think it'll be really weird that all this time we were all town accusing each other personally, i want to find at least one scum before switching to getting scum from the other thread |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 8, 2021 11:02:52 GMT
Also quo, I kinda want to hear your expanded opinion on OM. I personally feel like OM's part of my towncore due to their extended omnipresence and overall (here comes my fav word) scumhunting
(off topic, 250th post yahoo)
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