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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 1, 2021 16:47:25 GMT
It says what the reward is in the OP. |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 16:50:01 GMT
what are u guys even going on about lmao
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 16:51:12 GMT
It says what the reward is in the OP. no idea where it says this, i can only find where it says there is a vote to reward. 8.5.7 |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 17:51:49 GMT
Why can't I? It was already proven that scorr was thinking a bit more than you thought (i.e not randomized), so why shouldn't I think there's more? You are extracting an argument here which is not there. After the misunderstanding regarding the "!roll 7" was cleared up no one was arguing that scorr couldn't have thought more about his rvs vote than just a semi-random pick. I might personally disagree with the idea that there was much thought put into that but that wasn't what you responded to. The post you responded to az to with the phrase, "..although I highly doubt that question mark had thought about this before making the rvs" was specifically in regard to whether scorr thought about the intricacies of making a "lukewarm" or "not lukewarm" vote. That is such a random thing to think about for your rvs vote that the natural assumed conclusion is obviously that it wasn't considered. You looked at this and read it as trying to discredit scorr. Why? Fully looks like it from my POV - it goes to paint scorr as dumber as he is, therefore less so of someone who should be listened to down the line. |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 17:52:44 GMT
Pregame Information
Day Mechanics:
On even-numbered days, players may vote to eliminate someone from the game. All eliminations final.
On odd-numbered days, players may instead vote to elect someone. Said elected person will receive the following abilities during the following Night Phase, and for that Night Phase only:
You have gained insight to the events of The Past.
For tonight, and this night only, you may perform either of the following actions, but not both:
- You may swap positions with one other player in The Past. They will take your place in The Future. This change will happen after all other night actions resolve. Travelling through time in this manner may have lasting effects on the space-time continuum.
-You may elect to use a One-Shot Roleblocker for this night only, on a target in The Past. All actions used by your target will fail.
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Night 0:
2040
The world is in peril. The sky is grey, the soil is red, fire rains from above every single day. The world finds itself under the foot of a burgeoning, oppressive dictatorship. The rebel movement is small, but spirited. Does the answer to their calls for help lie here, in 2040? Or should they be considering an earlier option….
I've highlighted the specified reward for you |
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Post by quojova on Feb 1, 2021 18:30:00 GMT
You are extracting an argument here which is not there. After the misunderstanding regarding the "!roll 7" was cleared up no one was arguing that scorr couldn't have thought more about his rvs vote than just a semi-random pick. I might personally disagree with the idea that there was much thought put into that but that wasn't what you responded to. The post you responded to az to with the phrase, "..although I highly doubt that question mark had thought about this before making the rvs" was specifically in regard to whether scorr thought about the intricacies of making a "lukewarm" or "not lukewarm" vote. That is such a random thing to think about for your rvs vote that the natural assumed conclusion is obviously that it wasn't considered. You looked at this and read it as trying to discredit scorr. Why? Fully looks like it from my POV - it goes to paint scorr as dumber as he is, therefore less so of someone who should be listened to down the line. I don't even know how you can hold that opinion Reposting: "Personally when it comes to townvoting, lukewarm rvs is honestly better
Because honestly unlike scumvoting, you can't hold a gun against someone's head and hold them under intense pressure
Lukewarm rvs instead allows you to give a scum a fake sense of security and allow town to catch them off guard
..although I highly doubt that question mark had thought about this before making the rvs"The first three lines are about this "lukewarm" tangent which as we had previously established came out of a misunderstanding and had no actual relevance to the game. Understanding that, the fourth line concedes that the previous three lines of analysis are not particularly relevant to the game as it is unlikely that scorr considered such a random, hardly relevant aspect of a post "it goes to paint scorr as dumber as he is, therefore less so of someone who should be listened to down the line." Who exactly would look at this and think to themselves: "By saying he wouldn't have considered the 'lukewarm-ness' of his rvs vote I'm harmed his credibility and progressed my scum win condition! Now perhaps less people will pay attention to him in the future!" That's so clearly not normal scum play. I have to question your motivations for pushing forward this twisted reading of az's post and this logic |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 18:33:24 GMT
Alright, I got some time tonight. Will try to put some down. Tomorrow I will have next to no time so I'll try to check in a few times, but I'll have to keep it short. If you want to interact with me it'd be nice to do it tonight  This is the second coming of champ1604 AGREED, was my thinking too. Though for me it was just the profile picture, but if AZ's playing style is anywhere similar I'm already terrified -------------------------------------------------------------------- Feel like the "lukewarm rvs" vote discussion is cool. I like discussing how useful stuff are as much as the next dude but it doesn't rly help much. On PS I'd probably give a bit of a TR to someone like AZ who is properly analysing smtn that's happening, but 1) we're not under the same time limit that promotes very quick analysis, and 2) it often fails when someone knows what they're doing and aren't just winging it. On the contrary, if the mechanics & appropriate plays talk lasts too long, it can often be a sign of scum wanting to seem useful when they're really not.... but in this case nothing else has really happened that people could really comment on, so whatever. It could be stalling (+ good early impressions in sociability) so that nothing useful will happen to discuss, but for now its probably not that deep Otherwise I don't think there's much use for me to comment on what I think would be useful wrt provocative RVS vs. random RVS vs. whatever but if someone wants to hear what I think is best and what happened here, then I can explain  -------------------------------------------------------------------- to be continued in new post for ease of reading + new points |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 18:41:17 GMT
Personally when it comes to townvoting, lukewarm rvs is honestly better Because honestly unlike scumvoting, you can't hold a gun against someone's head and hold them under intense pressure Lukewarm rvs instead allows you to give a scum a fake sense of security and allow town to catch them off guard ..although I highly doubt that question mark had thought about this before making the rvs Bad vibes off this post Especially dont like the complete disregard of scorr as a player considering the overanalysis found here. Ooooh now the game's getting kinda interesting. I don't really see how scorr was completely disregarded as a player personally? The play was kinda analyses, which uh, isn't that useful per se, but neither was the play necessarily. Why do you feel like it was a "complete disregard" here OM? And as a follow up question, do you think that scum!AlmostZero would plan to profit off this post as the day progresses by being able to ignore (or push) Scorrch (town!Scorrch) if they had set a basis for doing that (possibly without any further great arguments, but letting the push do its work and finding for that). Aka what would the purpose of this be for scum!AZ (especially since today we can't even vote someone out)? Is this be an overreaction by OM to push the game forward from RVS? (ps ironic that overanalysis is mentioned, as both your and my parts on this could be classified as the same, tbh) fwiw somewhat agree on the "free points" thing in the next post - as i mentioned in the last post, mafia analysis can be nice but ultimately useless while getting you free credit & engagement |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 18:48:15 GMT
I always end up tring posts like these (az's) don't really want to say why though until later although I somewhat doubt it will be significant by then These r what we call "free d1 towncred" posts, where you put your hand in a bag and pull out a randomly selected mafia theory analysis to fit the game I'm more confident in this read than you might think like 3-5 percentage points below the default scumchance Interested in hearing why when you do want to say! For now, I'm really not a fan of this statistical approach to Mafia. Don't know if this is your general approach or your way of speaking or whatever, but I can't really classify Mafia like that and really prefer the general more likely to be mafia / town approaches, but not in hard percentages. It feels like it kinda complicates the game, while making it smarter than it realistically is  Later post mentions you like it so people can see how you fluctuated, but realistically what do the numbers mean that just clear explanations of what you think of someone couldn't. Cant get a read out of this as I believe you like doing this, but I'll watch out not to be led astray by the percentage points over the actual message  |
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Post by quojova on Feb 1, 2021 18:57:25 GMT
I'm more confident in this read than you might think like 3-5 percentage points below the default scumchance Interested in hearing why when you do want to say! For now, I'm really not a fan of this statistical approach to Mafia. Don't know if this is your general approach or your way of speaking or whatever, but I can't really classify Mafia like that and really prefer the general more likely to be mafia / town approaches, but not in hard percentages. It feels like it kinda complicates the game, while making it smarter than it realistically is Later post mentions you like it so people can see how you fluctuated, but realistically what do the numbers mean that just clear explanations of what you think of someone couldn't. Cant get a read out of this as I believe you like doing this, but I'll watch out not to be led astray by the percentage points over the actual message tbh it's functionally identical to just clarifying between "light town" and "hard town" etc with a wider spectrum I guess it's more so to sort out different pieces of evidence when I don't play like this I tend to get a jumble or unsorted evidence for each player that points either which way with varying strengths and I end up just picking 1-2 things to tunnel on for each player |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 19:01:09 GMT
Especially dont like the complete disregard of scorr as a player considering the overanalysis found here. Ooooh now the game's getting kinda interesting. I don't really see how scorr was completely disregarded as a player personally? The play was kinda analyses, which uh, isn't that useful per se, but neither was the play necessarily. Why do you feel like it was a "complete disregard" here OM? And as a follow up question, do you think that scum!AlmostZero would plan to profit off this post as the day progresses by being able to ignore (or push) Scorrch (town!Scorrch) if they had set a basis for doing that (possibly without any further great arguments, but letting the push do its work and finding for that). Aka what would the purpose of this be for scum!AZ (especially since today we can't even vote someone out)? Is this be an overreaction by OM to push the game forward from RVS? (ps ironic that overanalysis is mentioned, as both your and my parts on this could be classified as the same, tbh) fwiw somewhat agree on the "free points" thing in the next post - as i mentioned in the last post, mafia analysis can be nice but ultimately useless while getting you free credit & engagement Read a bit further (skimmed a few posts though, felt like more of the same, if I missed smtn feel free to point out). Clearly I agree w/ AZ that positioning is fine, even necessary in a way! And with quo that it felt like OM was kinda creating an argument that wasn't there - a bit of an overreaction it seems. Glad Quo got into this argument though because before I got nearly nothing from his posts but I generally agree with what he's posted with relevance to the game so far (besides the hidden argument w/ early townlean) Can't get anything out of Alex, Ani, Scorrch so far. Alex and Ani haven't really done anything of note (please get involved) and Scorrch has been pretty typical with not much game relevant yet - besides the huge wallpost that I tl;dr'd. Is that game relevant and should I read it (otherwise: has someone read it, what did you think of it?). Would like to see Scorrch's opinion on the Quo/AZ vs. OM discussion that happened around him. Unlynch AlexNot done anything - not getting the extra action i m o As a final thing, would it be a benefit to send someone into the past right now? I'm not sure, as it relieves them from pressure while I don't know if I feel comfortable just saying anyone should be saved the pressure right now, that's when the real action starts. We could have them swap with a specific person, but: A) We get someone they/we as a group TR -> does that really help us, exchanging a probable TR for a TR. Could it? (Though maybe their thread will give information about good swaps rolewise, possibly) B) We get someone scummy -> we alleviate pressure from this group, which I'm not necessarily sure is a good idea for the first vote. C) We get someone null -> Why? Would like to hear it if anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to swap tonight, and if so what option / why / something different? Roleblock should always be nice, we'll get info from it and I don't think it should even matter that much who it is. Of course it's better for town to get it, but we can analyse the decision + potentially what happened due to it just as much whoever gets it I think (esp if something interesting happens). Feels useless to say but, for now, it def makes sense to give it to someone who is at least clearly making reads on the game. Not ONLY because they may be TRd and actually have a good reason for the block (which is always needed), but also because we can analyse their reasoning better, and I'd appreciate all info right now as we can't pressure someone by vote right now and the reward doesn't really threaten anyone either Conclusion of posts: just read it for my general opinion, its just a basis for future reads as altho some things were more odd than others (as explained) i really cannot say I have strong reads yet, so seek the nuance |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 19:03:14 GMT
Interested in hearing why when you do want to say! For now, I'm really not a fan of this statistical approach to Mafia. Don't know if this is your general approach or your way of speaking or whatever, but I can't really classify Mafia like that and really prefer the general more likely to be mafia / town approaches, but not in hard percentages. It feels like it kinda complicates the game, while making it smarter than it realistically is Later post mentions you like it so people can see how you fluctuated, but realistically what do the numbers mean that just clear explanations of what you think of someone couldn't. Cant get a read out of this as I believe you like doing this, but I'll watch out not to be led astray by the percentage points over the actual message tbh it's functionally identical to just clarifying between "light town" and "hard town" etc with a wider spectrum I guess it's more so to sort out different pieces of evidence when I don't play like this I tend to get a jumble or unsorted evidence for each player that points either which way with varying strengths and I end up just picking 1-2 things to tunnel on for each player Alright fair enough if it works for you, if you don't mind me asking, if you'd have to translate it to subjective terms, where'd you place the following? - Confirmed scum (probably 0% town) - Hardread scum - Overall scumread - Scumlean - Neutral (range) - and same cats for town - + any other cats you think may be useful? It'd be nice to see, as I wouldn't know how to interpret, for example, someone with 10% towards town (so 60% or 55% depending on how you work, too) |
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Post by quojova on Feb 1, 2021 19:04:25 GMT
I think it's possible this weird OM-az connection points to a scumpair fabricating opposition for the sake of distancing
It doesn't really raise either of their scumchances significantly right now because that argument is built on the unlikely foundation of both of them being scum together but it's probably something I consider if one of them flips scum
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 19:05:19 GMT
Oh, and actually about my "no idea yets"
Alex has just been popping in, which is bleh as he needs to CONTRIBUTE but I actually kinda dislike how Ani has commented on Alex not finding the rewards section, so at least somewhat paying attention, but hasn't really done anything but filler otherwise. There should be something to comment on at this point tbh and at the very least not avoid the more substantive topics
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 19:09:40 GMT
Fully looks like it from my POV - it goes to paint scorr as dumber as he is, therefore less so of someone who should be listened to down the line. I don't even know how you can hold that opinion Reposting: "Personally when it comes to townvoting, lukewarm rvs is honestly better
Because honestly unlike scumvoting, you can't hold a gun against someone's head and hold them under intense pressure
Lukewarm rvs instead allows you to give a scum a fake sense of security and allow town to catch them off guard
..although I highly doubt that question mark had thought about this before making the rvs"The first three lines are about this "lukewarm" tangent which as we had previously established came out of a misunderstanding and had no actual relevance to the game. Understanding that, the fourth line concedes that the previous three lines of analysis are not particularly relevant to the game as it is unlikely that scorr considered such a random, hardly relevant aspect of a post "it goes to paint scorr as dumber as he is, therefore less so of someone who should be listened to down the line." Who exactly would look at this and think to themselves: "By saying he wouldn't have considered the 'lukewarm-ness' of his rvs vote I'm harmed his credibility and progressed my scum win condition! Now perhaps less people will pay attention to him in the future!" That's so clearly not normal scum play. I have to question your motivations for pushing forward this twisted reading of az's post and this logic Scum, in any and all form, wants to be the one more in control of the vote, and discrediting, no matter how minor is, is a good way to do that - how is this not "normal scum play", as you put it? It's a post that aims to position AZ into a good corner with a little analysis and a dig at another person - scum wants to do that more than town would want to. Logically, it's a deviation from something I would see in a town mindset, therefore it could possibly be a scum mindset, therefore it merits (merited) exploration because pressuring slots and generating content is the move in day 1. I don't see why you're calling it "twisted". |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 19:10:27 GMT
I think it's possible this weird OM-az connection points to a scumpair fabricating opposition for the sake of distancing It doesn't really raise either of their scumchances significantly right now because that argument is built on the unlikely foundation of both of them being scum together but it's probably something I consider if one of them flips scum ^^^this is twisted logic |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 19:12:10 GMT
Ooooh now the game's getting kinda interesting. I don't really see how scorr was completely disregarded as a player personally? The play was kinda analyses, which uh, isn't that useful per se, but neither was the play necessarily. Why do you feel like it was a "complete disregard" here OM? And as a follow up question, do you think that scum!AlmostZero would plan to profit off this post as the day progresses by being able to ignore (or push) Scorrch (town!Scorrch) if they had set a basis for doing that (possibly without any further great arguments, but letting the push do its work and finding for that). Aka what would the purpose of this be for scum!AZ (especially since today we can't even vote someone out)? Is this be an overreaction by OM to push the game forward from RVS? (ps ironic that overanalysis is mentioned, as both your and my parts on this could be classified as the same, tbh) fwiw somewhat agree on the "free points" thing in the next post - as i mentioned in the last post, mafia analysis can be nice but ultimately useless while getting you free credit & engagement Read a bit further (skimmed a few posts though, felt like more of the same, if I missed smtn feel free to point out). Clearly I agree w/ AZ that positioning is fine, even necessary in a way! And with quo that it felt like OM was kinda creating an argument that wasn't there - a bit of an overreaction it seems. Glad Quo got into this argument though because before I got nearly nothing from his posts but I generally agree with what he's posted with relevance to the game so far (besides the hidden argument w/ early townlean) Can't get anything out of Alex, Ani, Scorrch so far. Alex and Ani haven't really done anything of note (please get involved) and Scorrch has been pretty typical with not much game relevant yet - besides the huge wallpost that I tl;dr'd. Is that game relevant and should I read it (otherwise: has someone read it, what did you think of it?). Would like to see Scorrch's opinion on the Quo/AZ vs. OM discussion that happened around him. Unlynch AlexNot done anything - not getting the extra action i m o As a final thing, would it be a benefit to send someone into the past right now? I'm not sure, as it relieves them from pressure while I don't know if I feel comfortable just saying anyone should be saved the pressure right now, that's when the real action starts. We could have them swap with a specific person, but: A) We get someone they/we as a group TR -> does that really help us, exchanging a probable TR for a TR. Could it? (Though maybe their thread will give information about good swaps rolewise, possibly) B) We get someone scummy -> we alleviate pressure from this group, which I'm not necessarily sure is a good idea for the first vote. C) We get someone null -> Why? Would like to hear it if anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to swap tonight, and if so what option / why / something different? Roleblock should always be nice, we'll get info from it and I don't think it should even matter that much who it is. Of course it's better for town to get it, but we can analyse the decision + potentially what happened due to it just as much whoever gets it I think (esp if something interesting happens). Feels useless to say but, for now, it def makes sense to give it to someone who is at least clearly making reads on the game. Not ONLY because they may be TRd and actually have a good reason for the block (which is always needed), but also because we can analyse their reasoning better, and I'd appreciate all info right now as we can't pressure someone by vote right now and the reward doesn't really threaten anyone either Conclusion of posts: just read it for my general opinion, its just a basis for future reads as altho some things were more odd than others (as explained) i really cannot say I have strong reads yet, so seek the nuance Any and all arguments give us something to work with, therefore the lightest pings should be broken apart so we can create something out of it is kinda how I'm rolling with this argument |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 19:13:18 GMT
I think it's possible this weird OM-az connection points to a scumpair fabricating opposition for the sake of distancing It doesn't really raise either of their scumchances significantly right now because that argument is built on the unlikely foundation of both of them being scum together but it's probably something I consider if one of them flips scum ^^^this is twisted logic Actually this is unfair of me, run me through the logic here quojova |
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Post by quojova on Feb 1, 2021 19:14:20 GMT
tbh it's functionally identical to just clarifying between "light town" and "hard town" etc with a wider spectrum I guess it's more so to sort out different pieces of evidence when I don't play like this I tend to get a jumble or unsorted evidence for each player that points either which way with varying strengths and I end up just picking 1-2 things to tunnel on for each player Alright fair enough if it works for you, if you don't mind me asking, if you'd have to translate it to subjective terms, where'd you place the following? - Confirmed scum (probably 0% town) - Hardread scum - Overall scumread - Scumlean - Neutral (range) - and same cats for town - + any other cats you think may be useful? It'd be nice to see, as I wouldn't know how to interpret, for example, someone with 10% towards town (so 60% or 55% depending on how you work, too) assuming ~4.5 scum in this game - Confirmed scum 100% - I would never put a 100% scumchance in a cs- Hardread scum 75%- Overall scumread 55%- Scumlean 40%- Neutral ~30%- Townlean 25%- Townread 12%- Hardread town 5%- Confirmed town 0% - I would also never put a 0% scumchance in a cs |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 19:14:35 GMT
Ooooh now the game's getting kinda interesting. I don't really see how scorr was completely disregarded as a player personally? The play was kinda analyses, which uh, isn't that useful per se, but neither was the play necessarily. Why do you feel like it was a "complete disregard" here OM? And as a follow up question, do you think that scum!AlmostZero would plan to profit off this post as the day progresses by being able to ignore (or push) Scorrch (town!Scorrch) if they had set a basis for doing that (possibly without any further great arguments, but letting the push do its work and finding for that). Aka what would the purpose of this be for scum!AZ (especially since today we can't even vote someone out)? Is this be an overreaction by OM to push the game forward from RVS? (ps ironic that overanalysis is mentioned, as both your and my parts on this could be classified as the same, tbh) fwiw somewhat agree on the "free points" thing in the next post - as i mentioned in the last post, mafia analysis can be nice but ultimately useless while getting you free credit & engagement Read a bit further (skimmed a few posts though, felt like more of the same, if I missed smtn feel free to point out). Clearly I agree w/ AZ that positioning is fine, even necessary in a way! And with quo that it felt like OM was kinda creating an argument that wasn't there - a bit of an overreaction it seems. Glad Quo got into this argument though because before I got nearly nothing from his posts but I generally agree with what he's posted with relevance to the game so far (besides the hidden argument w/ early townlean) Can't get anything out of Alex, Ani, Scorrch so far. Alex and Ani haven't really done anything of note (please get involved) and Scorrch has been pretty typical with not much game relevant yet - besides the huge wallpost that I tl;dr'd. Is that game relevant and should I read it (otherwise: has someone read it, what did you think of it?). Would like to see Scorrch's opinion on the Quo/AZ vs. OM discussion that happened around him. Unlynch AlexNot done anything - not getting the extra action i m o As a final thing, would it be a benefit to send someone into the past right now? I'm not sure, as it relieves them from pressure while I don't know if I feel comfortable just saying anyone should be saved the pressure right now, that's when the real action starts. We could have them swap with a specific person, but: A) We get someone they/we as a group TR -> does that really help us, exchanging a probable TR for a TR. Could it? (Though maybe their thread will give information about good swaps rolewise, possibly) B) We get someone scummy -> we alleviate pressure from this group, which I'm not necessarily sure is a good idea for the first vote. C) We get someone null -> Why? Would like to hear it if anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to swap tonight, and if so what option / why / something different? Roleblock should always be nice, we'll get info from it and I don't think it should even matter that much who it is. Of course it's better for town to get it, but we can analyse the decision + potentially what happened due to it just as much whoever gets it I think (esp if something interesting happens). Feels useless to say but, for now, it def makes sense to give it to someone who is at least clearly making reads on the game. Not ONLY because they may be TRd and actually have a good reason for the block (which is always needed), but also because we can analyse their reasoning better, and I'd appreciate all info right now as we can't pressure someone by vote right now and the reward doesn't really threaten anyone either Conclusion of posts: just read it for my general opinion, its just a basis for future reads as altho some things were more odd than others (as explained) i really cannot say I have strong reads yet, so seek the nuance dont see how i couldve done anything besides filler out of my ass, most of the bickering happening rn seems to be pointless 8.5.7 |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 19:15:19 GMT
Scum, in any and all form, wants to be the one more in control of the vote, and discrediting, no matter how minor is, is a good way to do that - how is this not "normal scum play", as you put it? It's a post that aims to position AZ into a good corner with a little analysis and a dig at another person - scum wants to do that more than town would want to. Logically, it's a deviation from something I would see in a town mindset, therefore it could possibly be a scum mindset, therefore it merits (merited) exploration because pressuring slots and generating content is the move in day 1. I don't see why you're calling it "twisted". I get your point. It was something that could be from a scum pov. However, do you think that you saying "complete disregard" of scorrch wasn't a bit of an overreaction of the point? Furthermore, this may be a bit meta, but how do you feel about how big this discussion has gotten & how you've gotten attacked over it? Do you think some of the judgments regarding your post come off as more disingenious than others? For your response to my post, I def agree with this part To reiterate my earlier question, and it also relates to what I said earlier in this post: to what degree did you overreact on purpose to generate discussion? |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 19:15:35 GMT
Oh, and actually about my "no idea yets" Alex has just been popping in, which is bleh as he needs to CONTRIBUTE but I actually kinda dislike how Ani has commented on Alex not finding the rewards section, so at least somewhat paying attention, but hasn't really done anything but filler otherwise. There should be something to comment on at this point tbh and at the very least not avoid the more substantive topics yea mb let me go analyze each and everyone of the rvs 8.5.7 |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 19:16:42 GMT
Scum, in any and all form, wants to be the one more in control of the vote, and discrediting, no matter how minor is, is a good way to do that - how is this not "normal scum play", as you put it? It's a post that aims to position AZ into a good corner with a little analysis and a dig at another person - scum wants to do that more than town would want to. Logically, it's a deviation from something I would see in a town mindset, therefore it could possibly be a scum mindset, therefore it merits (merited) exploration because pressuring slots and generating content is the move in day 1. I don't see why you're calling it "twisted". I get your point. It was something that could be from a scum pov. However, do you think that you saying "complete disregard" of scorrch wasn't a bit of an overreaction of the point? Furthermore, this may be a bit meta, but how do you feel about how big this discussion has gotten & how you've gotten attacked over it? Do you think some of the judgments regarding your post come off as more disingenious than others? For your response to my post, I def agree with this part To reiterate my earlier question, and it also relates to what I said earlier in this post: to what degree did you overreact on purpose to generate discussion? you see, this point you are making right here, is exactly what i wanted to avoid. 8.5.7 |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 19:19:14 GMT
dont see how i couldve done anything besides filler out of my ass, most of the bickering happening rn seems to be pointless 8.5.7 Don't necessarily disagree with the start of the game, but we have to start something and I firmly believe in that you can actually get great reads just off people's early game behavior and reactions and pressures when they're not paying as much attention yet (though of course this doesn't disregard that later reads may have more substance and depth, but also because they can continue on where day 1 reads left) So I'll ask you two questions to get started: - Multiple people have picked on / argued about OMs post (that was the response to AZs analysis of scorrch)
- In case you feel like that isn't really useful, when do you feel like you can start making reads? Why does you not really doing anything help with that so far . After all, we're a good way into day 1 at this point already
------------- for my last post, i want to add: i understand that OM wants to put everything under a microscope. I still don't think that AZs post was really disregarding scorrch, as (like quo said) the last bullet point indicated it didn't really matter (+ it was more of a mechanical analysis regardless) |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 19:21:31 GMT
I get your point. It was something that could be from a scum pov. However, do you think that you saying "complete disregard" of scorrch wasn't a bit of an overreaction of the point? Furthermore, this may be a bit meta, but how do you feel about how big this discussion has gotten & how you've gotten attacked over it? Do you think some of the judgments regarding your post come off as more disingenious than others? For your response to my post, I def agree with this part To reiterate my earlier question, and it also relates to what I said earlier in this post: to what degree did you overreact on purpose to generate discussion? you see, this point you are making right here, is exactly what i wanted to avoid. 8.5.7 Heh fair enough, but I think that from this point on you could definitely start with analysing what people thought. I'm not gonna lie, when I started reading the thread I felt like "oh god what am i even gonna post about this", and i'd feel that way still with the other thread tbh. However, altho OM IMO really overreacted, it was valid enough to analyse imo  |
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