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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 1, 2021 20:28:17 GMT
It was already proven that scorr was thinking a bit more than you thought (i.e not randomized), so why shouldn't I think there's more? About your whole, scorch/om/az post discussion, its p obvious scorch did not know we were voting for reward,and he rolled for the vote, as a meme. I must clarify that the vote was not randomized using a random number generator, but it was randomized using the power of my human brain to pick a name after looking at the playerlist. I may be prone to errors such as being less likely to choose players at the exact start or end of the playerlist or being more likely to choose longer names or not choosing the same name twice if I were to repeat the process because I am not a machine. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 1, 2021 20:35:00 GMT
OM is giving me too much credit in order to paint ≈0 as disingenious. I don't think this has to come from scum perspective though, as OM might be simply reading too much between the lines in order to generate discussion and/or formulate reads.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 1, 2021 20:40:40 GMT
I have actually been town in all previous (forum) games I have been in, which was the meaning I was going for actually big if true playermeta ew quojova what do you think about this "reward" mechanic? Do you think it'd make sense at all to swap someone today? I have literally no idea what I'd do with a swap but it sounds so much more interesting than an rb that I'd probably do it at the cost of slight optimal play for fun admittedly that might make me a bad candidate Probably town. And I think you would be a decent candidate (if any). |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 20:40:48 GMT
Overanalyze d1 early posts to make reads How'd you overanalyze Ani, so far? for comparison check a few posts back, would like to see you compare and contrast with that opinion ( after formulating your own, preferably) There are 0 things I dislike about the content of ani's posts atm, I'll start looking at it when we get halfway through the day and they still stick to shitposting w/ a good post every so often |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 21:06:20 GMT
As a final thing, would it be a benefit to send someone into the past right now? I'm not sure, as it relieves them from pressure while I don't know if I feel comfortable just saying anyone should be saved the pressure right now, that's when the real action starts. We could have them swap with a specific person, but: A) We get someone they/we as a group TR -> does that really help us, exchanging a probable TR for a TR. Could it? (Though maybe their thread will give information about good swaps rolewise, possibly) B) We get someone scummy -> we alleviate pressure from this group, which I'm not necessarily sure is a good idea for the first vote. C) We get someone null -> Why? Would like to hear it if anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to swap tonight, and if so what option / why / something different? Roleblock should always be nice, we'll get info from it and I don't think it should even matter that much who it is. Of course it's better for town to get it, but we can analyse the decision + potentially what happened due to it just as much whoever gets it I think (esp if something interesting happens). -Time Travel will have lasting effects on the Space-Time Continuum. This means that there may be unforeseen consequences or benefits for certain actions due to Time Travel. I would rather play it safe and not swap anyone unless they volunteer. A or C don't seem to be helpful, but also keep in mind that not everyone will have the same reads, so unless you have specific targets in mind, there is nothing to be said. There is no point in switching threads unless your role necesitates it, or it is needed in order to move someone in/out of kill/reward stage for endgame. The problem with swapping for some sort of power role usage would be that you are painting a target on your back. B would be useful to specifically bring someone in to be lynched. At this current stage in the game, I have no idea who that would be. I don't trust anyone with an OS Roleblock, myself included. I think town is more likely to be blocked than scum. Assuming that the scum party consists of multiple people and all of them have access to some sort of factional kill, a roleblock that only works on half of the total playerlist would be easy to avoid. Yeah you're right there - with the "townie / scummy" thing I meant treating the lynching as such where everyone votes either a TR or SR, but yeah we obv can't be certain about that. I think it's not a great play right now either (though I also agree with with quo that it is more fun than any other option). I'd still be fine with giving someone roleblock - maybe i'm underestimating the strength of PRs in this game - but i understand your point How'd you overanalyze Ani, so far? for comparison check a few posts back, would like to see you compare and contrast with that opinion ( after formulating your own, preferably) There are 0 things I dislike about the content of ani's posts atm, I'll start looking at it when we get halfway through the day and they still stick to shitposting w/ a good post every so often Interesting, do the posts have something that you like or is it more of a "nothing has really been said" case? If the former, please explain! |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 21:18:39 GMT
For me the conclusion of the OM-AZ saga for now is that OM focused too much on pushing his point (which felt very weak for reasons I and others touched on earlier), when it would have made more sense to stop worrying about the kinda shallow point and instead focus on the discussion that came forward, what people are saying. It was good to spark discussion, but it felt defensive at times.
I don't know about OM-AZ interactions and their relationship. For AZ, AZ has mostly been talking about mechanics and this argument (IIRC - didn't read it back before making this post, call me out if wrong), which I do not particularly like so hopefully there'll be more in the next few hours - bring the heat!
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I'd be fine with no lynch to play safe. Otherwise I'll need to be convinced of who to vote / what's gonna happen (swap or roleblock). For the rest today, I'll do my best to bring as much to the table as I can, but as I said, I'll have an exam tomorrow and the day after, so tomorrow will really just be checking in, not much further analysis then.
If we do want to send someone to the past, I'd rather not have it be me. I'd rather stay in the future (and think I'll be more valuable here rn) and be able to continue the reads here for at least one actual lynch, than anything else. Esp since I won't be here much tomorrow and am sorta afraid that I won't be able to inject my opinion on anything that happens tomorrow.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 21:33:33 GMT
Don't necessarily disagree with the start of the game, but we have to start something and I firmly believe in that you can actually get great reads just off people's early game behavior and reactions and pressures when they're not paying as much attention yet (though of course this doesn't disregard that later reads may have more substance and depth, but also because they can continue on where day 1 reads left) So I'll ask you two questions to get started: - Multiple people have picked on / argued about OMs post (that was the response to AZs analysis of scorrch)
- In case you feel like that isn't really useful, when do you feel like you can start making reads? Why does you not really doing anything help with that so far
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------------- for my last post, i want to add: i understand that OM wants to put everything under a microscope. I still don't think that AZs post was really disregarding scorrch, as (like quo said) the last bullet point indicated it didn't really matter (+ it was more of a mechanical analysis regardless) exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about. About your whole, scorch/om/az post discussion, its p obvious scorch did not know we were voting for reward,and he rolled for the vote, as a meme. so its not really a disgregard in a way, but just a haha funny moment that I think OM overanalyzed. I do think however, that AZ is probably at the top of my sr list. By sitting back and watching for the first 12 hours or so, when nothing happens, it allows me to watch interactions without being directly involved, and call out people like you who hl me, when you know i will eventually come around and play. Forum games aren't my thing but im defeinitely willing to adapt to whatever playstyle you want. 8.5.7 Okay, lets see what you got. So lets note that you agree there wasn't really a disregard OFFTOPIC: overall playstyle discussion w/ alex / what i find good and not good to do in a general case (not this specific game necessarily), not analysing his post per se (re: prompting him to play) --------------------- Oh, don't worry, I don't really care about your playstyle all too much (though if it's lurking all game I'll still lynch you for it). Would def not want you to just have the same playstyle as me. But I'm glad you feel like you can make reads now, as it kinda felt to me as if you still felt like you couldn't after the argument took place, which I woulda found strange. Otherwise, being more observative is def fine*. I'm excited to see what you have to say w/ the game otherwise, and esp about the reasons you SR AZ right now (I don't even have clear SRs yet, so def curious) and I'd like to hear more  *I may have disregarded this a bit in my post. Some people always need to start the game, but if this happens it can be good to take an outsider's role sometimes. I guess that's why adapting can be very important, to switch up playstyles. going to analyze all of their posts for u ok. 1. started the game off by saying hi to quojova, ok seems normal yes yes very good. says they have been town in all their games together, weird but i respect it. 2. the whole post about scorch, no idea what the fuck a lukewarm rvs is but, then throws in a random analogy that i still dont understand the point of, then some more random bs about lukewarm rvs thats just un-needed filler content. and there u have a useless post that has no meaning that started all sorts of contoversy. you said earlier that OM overreacted to this?3. thats just how scorch does his rvs, by literally announcing it, maybe this is what OM meant by disregarding the way he plays? but im not sure, brushes the post off until later. Is he supposed to know this?4. responds to OM's criticism by criticizing scorchs playstyle, interesting tactic. useless strat talk blah blah blah 5. even AZ admits this discussion is terrible. do you mean like, the discussion about the playstyles? yeah not very great but why do you sr for this if he said so himself lol6. what the fuck 7. apologizes to om for literally who knows what here we are, and theres my read. just a lot of fake stuff to me, that really stands out as trying to fill the void by just forcefully making reads. hard to describe. 8.5.7 For as much as you said you were able to form reads now, it definitely seems that you are grasping at the same straws you said you wanted to avoid earlier? You're summarising what AZ has done and just said "SCUMMY!" This kinda reeks IMO. And also saying OM overanalysed to get at the same thing? That they kinda settled? Really don't know what you're getting at wtf, besides some basic surface level fake reads. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 21:33:47 GMT
Alex scum?
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 21:54:04 GMT
-Time Travel will have lasting effects on the Space-Time Continuum. This means that there may be unforeseen consequences or benefits for certain actions due to Time Travel. I would rather play it safe and not swap anyone unless they volunteer. A or C don't seem to be helpful, but also keep in mind that not everyone will have the same reads, so unless you have specific targets in mind, there is nothing to be said. There is no point in switching threads unless your role necesitates it, or it is needed in order to move someone in/out of kill/reward stage for endgame. The problem with swapping for some sort of power role usage would be that you are painting a target on your back. B would be useful to specifically bring someone in to be lynched. At this current stage in the game, I have no idea who that would be. I don't trust anyone with an OS Roleblock, myself included. I think town is more likely to be blocked than scum. Assuming that the scum party consists of multiple people and all of them have access to some sort of factional kill, a roleblock that only works on half of the total playerlist would be easy to avoid. Yeah you're right there - with the "townie / scummy" thing I meant treating the lynching as such where everyone votes either a TR or SR, but yeah we obv can't be certain about that. I think it's not a great play right now either (though I also agree with with quo that it is more fun than any other option). I'd still be fine with giving someone roleblock - maybe i'm underestimating the strength of PRs in this game - but i understand your point There are 0 things I dislike about the content of ani's posts atm, I'll start looking at it when we get halfway through the day and they still stick to shitposting w/ a good post every so often Interesting, do the posts have something that you like or is it more of a "nothing has really been said" case? If the former, please explain! I have one post I like where ani tries questioning things (I think quojova?) but then promptly never backs it up |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 1, 2021 21:58:32 GMT
Ooooh now the game's getting kinda interesting. I don't really see how scorr was completely disregarded as a player personally? The play was kinda analyses, which uh, isn't that useful per se, but neither was the play necessarily. Why do you feel like it was a "complete disregard" here OM? And as a follow up question, do you think that scum!AlmostZero would plan to profit off this post as the day progresses by being able to ignore (or push) Scorrch (town!Scorrch) if they had set a basis for doing that (possibly without any further great arguments, but letting the push do its work and finding for that). Aka what would the purpose of this be for scum!AZ (especially since today we can't even vote someone out)? Is this be an overreaction by OM to push the game forward from RVS? (ps ironic that overanalysis is mentioned, as both your and my parts on this could be classified as the same, tbh) fwiw somewhat agree on the "free points" thing in the next post - as i mentioned in the last post, mafia analysis can be nice but ultimately useless while getting you free credit & engagement Read a bit further (skimmed a few posts though, felt like more of the same, if I missed smtn feel free to point out). Clearly I agree w/ AZ that positioning is fine, even necessary in a way! And with quo that it felt like OM was kinda creating an argument that wasn't there - a bit of an overreaction it seems. Glad Quo got into this argument though because before I got nearly nothing from his posts but I generally agree with what he's posted with relevance to the game so far (besides the hidden argument w/ early townlean) Can't get anything out of Alex, Ani, Scorrch so far. Alex and Ani haven't really done anything of note (please get involved) and Scorrch has been pretty typical with not much game relevant yet - besides the huge wallpost that I tl;dr'd. Is that game relevant and should I read it (otherwise: has someone read it, what did you think of it?). Would like to see Scorrch's opinion on the Quo/AZ vs. OM discussion that happened around him. Unlynch AlexNot done anything - not getting the extra action i m o As a final thing, would it be a benefit to send someone into the past right now? I'm not sure, as it relieves them from pressure while I don't know if I feel comfortable just saying anyone should be saved the pressure right now, that's when the real action starts. We could have them swap with a specific person, but: A) We get someone they/we as a group TR -> does that really help us, exchanging a probable TR for a TR. Could it? (Though maybe their thread will give information about good swaps rolewise, possibly) B) We get someone scummy -> we alleviate pressure from this group, which I'm not necessarily sure is a good idea for the first vote. C) We get someone null -> Why? Would like to hear it if anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to swap tonight, and if so what option / why / something different? Roleblock should always be nice, we'll get info from it and I don't think it should even matter that much who it is. Of course it's better for town to get it, but we can analyse the decision + potentially what happened due to it just as much whoever gets it I think (esp if something interesting happens). Feels useless to say but, for now, it def makes sense to give it to someone who is at least clearly making reads on the game. Not ONLY because they may be TRd and actually have a good reason for the block (which is always needed), but also because we can analyse their reasoning better, and I'd appreciate all info right now as we can't pressure someone by vote right now and the reward doesn't really threaten anyone either Conclusion of posts: just read it for my general opinion, its just a basis for future reads as altho some things were more odd than others (as explained) i really cannot say I have strong reads yet, so seek the nuance  I have nothing to comment on thus far. The deep discussion on what is good vs bad rvs feels very theoretical and is going over my head. I think swapping would be fun. No mechanical argument for it. I'd just like to see what discussions are carried to the other side. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 22:05:04 GMT
I have nothing to comment on thus far. The deep discussion on what is good vs bad rvs feels very theoretical and is going over my head. I think swapping would be fun. No mechanical argument for it. I'd just like to see what discussions are carried to the other side. Thanks for responding & that makes sense. Alex had the same reaction I think (and honestly I had too when I read up today I was like I... what...). Do you think that, regardless of whether the RVS was good or bad, the discussion between OM & AZ was in any way strange, or the way people reacted to it (quo, me, scorrch, alex(!)), basically everyone at this point, feels good to have everyone be around  |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 1, 2021 22:05:16 GMT
Are we allowed to talk about the other thread btw?
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 22:13:03 GMT
exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about. About your whole, scorch/om/az post discussion, its p obvious scorch did not know we were voting for reward,and he rolled for the vote, as a meme. so its not really a disgregard in a way, but just a haha funny moment that I think OM overanalyzed. I do think however, that AZ is probably at the top of my sr list. By sitting back and watching for the first 12 hours or so, when nothing happens, it allows me to watch interactions without being directly involved, and call out people like you who hl me, when you know i will eventually come around and play. Forum games aren't my thing but im defeinitely willing to adapt to whatever playstyle you want. 8.5.7 Okay, lets see what you got. So lets note that you agree there wasn't really a disregard going to analyze all of their posts for u ok. 1. started the game off by saying hi to quojova, ok seems normal yes yes very good. says they have been town in all their games together, weird but i respect it. 2. the whole post about scorch, no idea what the fuck a lukewarm rvs is but, then throws in a random analogy that i still dont understand the point of, then some more random bs about lukewarm rvs thats just un-needed filler content. and there u have a useless post that has no meaning that started all sorts of contoversy. you said earlier that OM overreacted to this?3. thats just how scorch does his rvs, by literally announcing it, maybe this is what OM meant by disregarding the way he plays? but im not sure, brushes the post off until later. Is he supposed to know this?4. responds to OM's criticism by criticizing scorchs playstyle, interesting tactic. useless strat talk blah blah blah 5. even AZ admits this discussion is terrible. do you mean like, the discussion about the playstyles? yeah not very great but why do you sr for this if he said so himself lol6. what the fuck 7. apologizes to om for literally who knows what here we are, and theres my read. just a lot of fake stuff to me, that really stands out as trying to fill the void by just forcefully making reads. hard to describe. 8.5.7 For as much as you said you were able to form reads now, it definitely seems that you are grasping at the same straws you said you wanted to avoid earlier? You're summarising what AZ has done and just said "SCUMMY!" This kinda reeks IMO. And also saying OM overanalysed to get at the same thing? That they kinda settled? Really don't know what you're getting at wtf, besides some basic surface level fake reads. point proven yet? you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it. 8.5.7 |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 22:13:41 GMT
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Post by quojova on Feb 1, 2021 22:13:47 GMT
Are we allowed to talk about the other thread btw? yes |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 1, 2021 22:14:21 GMT
I have nothing to comment on thus far. The deep discussion on what is good vs bad rvs feels very theoretical and is going over my head. I think swapping would be fun. No mechanical argument for it. I'd just like to see what discussions are carried to the other side. Thanks for responding & that makes sense. Alex had the same reaction I think (and honestly I had too when I read up today I was like I... what...). Do you think that, regardless of whether the RVS was good or bad, the discussion between OM & AZ was in any way strange, or the way people reacted to it (quo, me, scorrch, alex(!)), basically everyone at this point, feels good to have everyone be around ! 8.5.7 |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 1, 2021 22:25:06 GMT
I have nothing to comment on thus far. The deep discussion on what is good vs bad rvs feels very theoretical and is going over my head. I think swapping would be fun. No mechanical argument for it. I'd just like to see what discussions are carried to the other side. Thanks for responding & that makes sense. Alex had the same reaction I think (and honestly I had too when I read up today I was like I... what...). Do you think that, regardless of whether the RVS was good or bad, the discussion between OM & AZ was in any way strange, or the way people reacted to it (quo, me, scorrch, alex(!)), basically everyone at this point, feels good to have everyone be around The most I got out of it is scorr thinks it's funny to rvs yeet OM but didn't apparently want to give him any reward. Could give it a very slight wolf lean for being more worried about potentially missing out on wolf control of the blocking. Reading OM as slightly village as an extension of that. Kinda weirded out by Zero because it seemed to go a bit more theoretical and off-topic than the original vote so I'm not sure how much really benefitted the conversation there. Slightly wolfy. I relate very hard to Alex's posts, but I also don't think they're posts scum couldn't make. This is just a confusing discussion in general. Will probably be able to get a better feel on him when we move on/enter the yeeting stage. You definitely seemed to dig deep into it. I never would have been making strong associations off of what seemed like a mild troll between players. I've never played with you before so I have no read on that, but I assume your interactions will be useful for refining my POE in the coming days. |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 1, 2021 22:30:52 GMT
Are we allowed to talk about the other thread btw? yes In that case, I like how chaos jumpstarted the thread by discussing things we're doing over here to analyze. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 22:36:32 GMT
Thanks for responding & that makes sense. Alex had the same reaction I think (and honestly I had too when I read up today I was like I... what...). Do you think that, regardless of whether the RVS was good or bad, the discussion between OM & AZ was in any way strange, or the way people reacted to it (quo, me, scorrch, alex(!)), basically everyone at this point, feels good to have everyone be around You definitely seemed to dig deep into it. I never would have been making strong associations off of what seemed like a mild troll between players. I've never played with you before so I have no read on that, but I assume your interactions will be useful for refining my POE in the coming days. I'll try to respond to the other points later, but I was wondering when skimming what particularly strong associations I've made (besides Alex, which doesn't seem like a troll?). I've def been posting a lot to attempt to get us as far as we can. So what strong association did you mean? |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 22:38:54 GMT
Okay, lets see what you got. So lets note that you agree there wasn't really a disregard For as much as you said you were able to form reads now, it definitely seems that you are grasping at the same straws you said you wanted to avoid earlier? You're summarising what AZ has done and just said "SCUMMY!" This kinda reeks IMO. And also saying OM overanalysed to get at the same thing? That they kinda settled? Really don't know what you're getting at wtf, besides some basic surface level fake reads. point proven yet? you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it. 8.5.7 Yawn are you just trying to deflect the points made? My point is that you said you could make reads now, while I agree, you said that out of your own volition and after you keep contradicting yourself  . Dunno what you're trying to do here but I'd like to make some reads & have some discussion before day 84. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 1, 2021 23:13:02 GMT
Aight good night people! Gonna skim tomorrow to see what people think we should do - if I disagree will quickly say it - otherwise this may just be it for the largest part for me today. Does anyone else agree that Alex is scum tho? his post reeks of hypocrisy and backtracking and he just like completely contradicts itself? Where's the contribution in that Guess we can't vote someone out today but we should use our time wisely Anyway looking forward to playing on with you guys on Thursday! It's been a fun experience so far |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 1, 2021 23:37:33 GMT
B-Team's finally making some progress good on them
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 2, 2021 1:15:37 GMT
Votecount Update 1.0
Roughly 28 hours remain. If the deadline were to hit, nobody would be rewarded.
Message me if there's an issue with the votes.
Countdown Clock
Votecount sheet
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 1:34:41 GMT
point proven yet? you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it. 8.5.7 Yawn are you just trying to deflect the points made? My point is that you said you could make reads now, while I agree, you said that out of your own volition and after you keep contradicting yourself . Dunno what you're trying to do here but I'd like to make some reads & have some discussion before day 84. huh? u are making 0 sense lol. i did exactly what you wanted, yet you told me its not good enough, hence the reason I thought it was too early to fully outline reads like that. 8.5.7 |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 1:35:09 GMT
Aight good night people! Gonna skim tomorrow to see what people think we should do - if I disagree will quickly say it - otherwise this may just be it for the largest part for me today. Does anyone else agree that Alex is scum tho? his post reeks of hypocrisy and backtracking and he just like completely contradicts itself? Where's the contribution in that Guess we can't vote someone out today but we should use our time wisely Anyway looking forward to playing on with you guys on Thursday! It's been a fun experience so far  8.5.7 |
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. Dunno what you're trying to do here but I'd like to make some reads & have some discussion before day 84.
