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Post by quojova on Feb 2, 2021 1:48:32 GMT
Yawn are you just trying to deflect the points made? My point is that you said you could make reads now, while I agree, you said that out of your own volition and after you keep contradicting yourself  . Dunno what you're trying to do here but I'd like to make some reads & have some discussion before day 84. huh? u are making 0 sense lol. i did exactly what you wanted, yet you told me its not good enough, hence the reason I thought it was too early to fully outline reads like that. 8.5.7 you said, "exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about." he asked you for those reads you provided your reads and he called them weak you then said, "you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it." can you see the problem here? You clearly had some amount of conviction in your reads before you were pressed on them, but after Lucas called them weak you retreated to: 'it's your problem, you asked for them, and there's "literally nothing so far"', instead of any attempt to actually defend them |
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Post by quojova on Feb 2, 2021 1:49:13 GMT
huh? u are making 0 sense lol. i did exactly what you wanted, yet you told me its not good enough, hence the reason I thought it was too early to fully outline reads like that. 8.5.7 you said, "exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about." he asked you for those reads you provided your reads and he called them weak you then said, "you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it." can you see the problem here? You clearly had some amount of conviction in your reads before you were pressed on them, but after Lucas called them weak you retreated to: 'it's your problem, you asked for them, and there's "literally nothing so far"', instead of any attempt to actually defend them note: single quotes are paraphrasing |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 1:56:01 GMT
huh? u are making 0 sense lol. i did exactly what you wanted, yet you told me its not good enough, hence the reason I thought it was too early to fully outline reads like that. 8.5.7 you said, "exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about." he asked you for those reads you provided your reads and he called them weak you then said, "you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it." can you see the problem here? You clearly had some amount of conviction in your reads before you were pressed on them, but after Lucas called them weak you retreated to: 'it's your problem, you asked for them, and there's "literally nothing so far"', instead of any attempt to actually defend them you didnt read from the very beginning, thats your first issue. 8.5.7 |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 2, 2021 3:17:18 GMT
you said, "exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about." he asked you for those reads you provided your reads and he called them weak you then said, "you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it." can you see the problem here? You clearly had some amount of conviction in your reads before you were pressed on them, but after Lucas called them weak you retreated to: 'it's your problem, you asked for them, and there's "literally nothing so far"', instead of any attempt to actually defend them you didnt read from the very beginning, thats your first issue. 8.5.7 Stop being toxic, alex. One liners and vomit emotes only hinder helping town forward. I get your point. It was something that could be from a scum pov. However, do you think that you saying "complete disregard" of scorrch wasn't a bit of an overreaction of the point? Furthermore, this may be a bit meta, but how do you feel about how big this discussion has gotten & how you've gotten attacked over it? Do you think some of the judgments regarding your post come off as more disingenious than others? For your response to my post, I def agree with this part To reiterate my earlier question, and it also relates to what I said earlier in this post: to what degree did you overreact on purpose to generate discussion? you see, this point you are making right here, is exactly what i wanted to avoid. 8.5.7 What in here did you want to avoid? Why'd you want to avoid it? |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 2, 2021 3:18:23 GMT
huh? u are making 0 sense lol. i did exactly what you wanted, yet you told me its not good enough, hence the reason I thought it was too early to fully outline reads like that. 8.5.7 you said, "exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about." he asked you for those reads you provided your reads and he called them weak you then said, "you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it." can you see the problem here? You clearly had some amount of conviction in your reads before you were pressed on them, but after Lucas called them weak you retreated to: 'it's your problem, you asked for them, and there's "literally nothing so far"', instead of any attempt to actually defend them Now, Alexander489 I have a quick question for this analysis - how much of those "reads being weak" were the point, and how would you update your takes on the game's content considering everyone's current stances? |
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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 2, 2021 4:17:35 GMT
You definitely seemed to dig deep into it. I never would have been making strong associations off of what seemed like a mild troll between players. I've never played with you before so I have no read on that, but I assume your interactions will be useful for refining my POE in the coming days. I'll try to respond to the other points later, but I was wondering when skimming what particularly strong associations I've made (besides Alex, which doesn't seem like a troll?). I've def been posting a lot to attempt to get us as far as we can. So what strong association did you mean? I mean stuff like saying OM was overreacting or village leaning Quo interpretation of wolf distancing OM and Zero. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 2, 2021 6:02:47 GMT
Alright man, I apologize for my words and withdraw them, I didn't think it'll be that much of an issue do you just have no interest in contesting him on it Indeed, that debate was about a topic that was subjective. I didn't mean to be dismissive of scorr but OM thought I did; it was a topic about how the line was interpreted vs how it was meant to be and it wasn't helping us scumhunt and progress the game |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 2, 2021 6:07:10 GMT
Who wants to swap with Litt?
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Post by Animal Midwife on Feb 2, 2021 6:17:41 GMT
Who wants to swap with Litt? Me. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 2, 2021 6:42:05 GMT
Unvote noLynch
Vote animalmidwife
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 2, 2021 6:57:32 GMT
As a final thing, would it be a benefit to send someone into the past right now? I'm not sure, as it relieves them from pressure while I don't know if I feel comfortable just saying anyone should be saved the pressure right now, that's when the real action starts. We could have them swap with a specific person, but: A) We get someone they/we as a group TR -> does that really help us, exchanging a probable TR for a TR. Could it? (Though maybe their thread will give information about good swaps rolewise, possibly) B) We get someone scummy -> we alleviate pressure from this group, which I'm not necessarily sure is a good idea for the first vote. C) We get someone null -> Why? Would like to hear it if anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to swap tonight, and if so what option / why / something different? Roleblock should always be nice, we'll get info from it and I don't think it should even matter that much who it is. Of course it's better for town to get it, but we can analyse the decision + potentially what happened due to it just as much whoever gets it I think (esp if something interesting happens). Feels useless to say but, for now, it def makes sense to give it to someone who is at least clearly making reads on the game. Not ONLY because they may be TRd and actually have a good reason for the block (which is always needed), but also because we can analyse their reasoning better, and I'd appreciate all info right now as we can't pressure someone by vote right now and the reward doesn't really threaten anyone either Conclusion of posts: just read it for my general opinion, its just a basis for future reads as altho some things were more odd than others (as explained) i really cannot say I have strong reads yet, so seek the nuance  I don't particularly dislike this slot, however their distaste of strategy and 'free points' and yet going with it.. meh Otherwise, this slot right as of this post hasn't established their existence yet |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 2, 2021 7:06:36 GMT
For context, I wrote this post last night and posting it as I wake up (without looking at the thread beforehand #tonedeaf, #blasttothepast). I had wanted to post it before I went to bed, but I wanted to try to get the most of out of a plan that - thus far - had failed. The latest post as of writing this post was this one. Excuse me if this post is kinda messy, it was late and I was trying to get all my thoughts together that went into this  exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about. About your whole, scorch/om/az post discussion, its p obvious scorch did not know we were voting for reward,and he rolled for the vote, as a meme. so its not really a disgregard in a way, but just a haha funny moment that I think OM overanalyzed. I do think however, that AZ is probably at the top of my sr list. By sitting back and watching for the first 12 hours or so, when nothing happens, it allows me to watch interactions without being directly involved, and call out people like you who hl me, when you know i will eventually come around and play. Forum games aren't my thing but im defeinitely willing to adapt to whatever playstyle you want. 8.5.7 Okay, lets see what you got. So lets note that you agree there wasn't really a disregard going to analyze all of their posts for u ok. 1. started the game off by saying hi to quojova, ok seems normal yes yes very good. says they have been town in all their games together, weird but i respect it. 2. the whole post about scorch, no idea what the fuck a lukewarm rvs is but, then throws in a random analogy that i still dont understand the point of, then some more random bs about lukewarm rvs thats just un-needed filler content. and there u have a useless post that has no meaning that started all sorts of contoversy. you said earlier that OM overreacted to this?3. thats just how scorch does his rvs, by literally announcing it, maybe this is what OM meant by disregarding the way he plays? but im not sure, brushes the post off until later. Is he supposed to know this?4. responds to OM's criticism by criticizing scorchs playstyle, interesting tactic. useless strat talk blah blah blah 5. even AZ admits this discussion is terrible. do you mean like, the discussion about the playstyles? yeah not very great but why do you sr for this if he said so himself lol6. what the fuck 7. apologizes to om for literally who knows what here we are, and theres my read. just a lot of fake stuff to me, that really stands out as trying to fill the void by just forcefully making reads. hard to describe. 8.5.7 For as much as you said you were able to form reads now, it definitely seems that you are grasping at the same straws you said you wanted to avoid earlier? You're summarising what AZ has done and just said "SCUMMY!" This kinda reeks IMO. And also saying OM overanalysed to get at the same thing? That they kinda settled? Really don't know what you're getting at wtf, besides some basic surface level fake reads. When I first read the first page and something of this thread, as I mentioned, I felt like there wasn't much to discuss. As the OM-AZ saga (yes we have sagas now) ended, it felt like regurgitating to keep arguing about that. So, I wanted to start some drama myself, which I would've done anyway if the OM-AZ saga hadn't happened. However, clearly I'm not very good at being very aggressive nor being faux-scum in a way that both invites people to call me out nor obviously being something fake. Anyway, before I talk more about this plan, I'll show some sparkles I spread that alluded to this plan, for those who find this fake. They'll be somewhat abstract though as I felt like I couldn't risk the plan not working. For me the conclusion of the OM-AZ saga for now is that OM focused too much on pushing his point (which felt very weak for reasons I and others touched on earlier), when it would have made more sense to stop worrying about the kinda shallow point and instead focus on the discussion that came forward, what people are saying. It was good to spark discussion, but it felt defensive at times. I don't know about OM-AZ interactions and their relationship. For AZ, AZ has mostly been talking about mechanics and this argument (IIRC - didn't read it back before making this post, call me out if wrong), which I do not particularly like so hopefully there'll be more in the next few hours - bring the heat! --------------------- I'd be fine with no lynch to play safe. Otherwise I'll need to be convinced of who to vote / what's gonna happen (swap or roleblock). For the rest today, I'll do my best to bring as much to the table as I can, but as I said, I'll have an exam tomorrow and the day after, so tomorrow will really just be checking in, not much further analysis then. If we do want to send someone to the past, I'd rather not have it be me. I'd rather stay in the future (and think I'll be more valuable here rn) and be able to continue the reads here for at least one actual lynch, than anything else. Esp since I won't be here much tomorrow and am sorta afraid that I won't be able to inject my opinion on anything that happens tomorrow. Here I made sure to notify that for me, this saga was over, hence we needed a new one. Then I said bring the heat! to indicate that something more was happening, in the next few hours  . I also said that I'd do my best to bring as much to the table as I could, which uh, I tried to do by ensuring that there was something to discuss. --- this was mainly the post where I sprinkled some hints, not that much actually happened after sadly, but I did try to get some more discussion on this by continuing to mention it Anyway so, I felt like we needed some more to get started on! Especially as Alex (evidently) was kind of stuck, and so was Ani, which was probably a common sentiment that I felt too. Stirring things up seemed like a good way to get people talking. I chose to attack Alex here (sorry if I made this unenjoyable @ Alex, you seemed kinda defeatist last night - take that as you will anyone. As of writing, I've not really thought about what that could mean - and I do want you to know that I was attacking you for the sake of it and appreciate you, and everyone in general, who is playing the game with me ), because I know he can get emotional instead of analytical, which is probably the best state (besides panicky) to get someone in to get a deeper look into them. Alex got kinda defeatist instead, which may still be emotional but more as in giving up on trying, which was a bit sad to see. I hope that when I wake up more has been done. Furthermore, Alex was someone who I did not have a strong opinion on before. I felt like it wouldn't really work in any way to suddenly attack people who I'd JUST given a bit of analysis on. That'd just be ? ? ? ? ? ? ?, whereas I could easily fabricate a bad scumread on Alex as my opinion had been kinda neutral. Between getting Alex to react, hopefully getting people to react to both my odd move, and Alex's reaction, I had hoped to push the game further before backtracking on my statement, leaving the progress, but not the bad push. Furthermore, I was also somewhat annoyed that like, nobody, had tried to critically analyse my behavior yet. I've tried to put a lot of my thoughts forward, and if I know something about Mafia, there's always something to discuss, whether positive, negative, you can often see something from multiple sides and have to bring many many things together. It'd be nice if someone would critically look at what I've done and form a read, as so far I feel like I've talked with people, but not engaged in the Mafia game, as people like OM, AZ, and now Spiderz have (maybe more similar to Quo has been until this point - just having to be analytical of others). Hopefully, this post got some people to focus on me too. It'd honestly be kinda strange if people didn't due to how I feel like I put myself in a horrible spotlight - thank god we're voting for reward, so no one goes out and I can take a risk like this my current opinion on alex (aka last night) is that the post I had highlighted was indeed a bit hasty, which I wasn't a huge fan of, but it does make sense. The more I think about it, the more AZ is kinda scummy. I've mentioned before that mechanic talk isn't really useful and compared to everything else that has happened it may just be a ploy to get some town points. Not a strong scumread or anything, but the scumlean has been working in on me for a bit. For Alex, I don't really know too well, I'll have to try to analyse his further reaction (as I'd said before he really started reading, for now the posts I quoted are just okay - nothing special either way). Most of the points I made in the post above were kinda BS. He rightfully called me out for blaming him for what I asked him to do. And although he did kinda backtrack on some points, he also mentioned this in his post + I was very unnuanced with everything I said. Especially in the things I made italic, I kinda cherry-picked, but overall I just really overplayed how bad the post (and the following one) was. The critiques def had some foundation but really shouldn't mean that alex is clear scum lol - especially since I just kept repeating myself in my response and in there to hammer in my point so it would seem more """convincing""", but also just trying to make myself scummy by doing this awful, cherry-picked push Hope this makes sense xx. It'll be curious tomorrow (for me) if people went along with this, or not, how Alex responded, etc. ps: clearly i was kinda bad at being aggressive, at least i felt so, i had a hard time fabricating points & didn't REALLY put a lot into the post, as i was quickly out of things to say :\ ------------------------------ still wrote this last night, but i hope that when i wake up i can follow up this post with a finalish post for the day for me (I'll check in more but doubtful that I can make any real contribution) & write up some feelings i have, including what i have right now which i will store and deliver later so you can see how my thought progress changed over night (lol) if i form new reads |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 2, 2021 7:16:26 GMT
Scum, in any and all form, wants to be the one more in control of the vote, and discrediting, no matter how minor is, is a good way to do that - how is this not "normal scum play", as you put it? It's a post that aims to position AZ into a good corner with a little analysis and a dig at another person - scum wants to do that more than town would want to. Logically, it's a deviation from something I would see in a town mindset, therefore it could possibly be a scum mindset, therefore it merits (merited) exploration because pressuring slots and generating content is the move in day 1. I don't see why you're calling it "twisted". I get your point. It was something that could be from a scum pov. However, do you think that you saying "complete disregard" of scorrch wasn't a bit of an overreaction of the point? Furthermore, this may be a bit meta, but how do you feel about how big this discussion has gotten & how you've gotten attacked over it? Do you think some of the judgments regarding your post come off as more disingenious than others? For your response to my post, I def agree with this part To reiterate my earlier question, and it also relates to what I said earlier in this post: to what degree did you overreact on purpose to generate discussion? The further down I go the more I start to dislike this slot, I'm not really how asking these questions exactly helps them scumhunt? I'm feeling slightly iffy about this slot; To expand, the early line of questioning here, "do you think that ... the point?" doesn't seem like it goes anywhere. OM could either admit or deny overreaction, but either cases are still NAI and doesn't help town decide whether OM is scum or not. This form of fake scumhunting, basically where this slot tries to ask empty questions, seems wolfy to me |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 2, 2021 7:26:08 GMT
Anyway now that I've looked a bit at what happened - seems like I worked myself up over nothing and it completely failed, alas.
Will try to skim in a bit and that'll be it
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 2, 2021 7:36:04 GMT
Actually I retract what I said, the responses I got were interesting to some degree, mostly the support I got. Somewhat surprised that people mostly backed me up on this? While the arguments weren't totally bad, I feel like the sudden shift in tone I had & somewhat of a sudden and overt push should've had some people also analyse me and not just Alex. If people would like to clarify why they didn't go ahead. For Alex, I'm not too surprised by his response in general but that may be from earlier forum interactions that I remember vaguely. But yeah Alex, I do hope that you don't get discouraged, in forum you will get people against you and even try to disregard you, but you'll have to pull through :] I get your point. It was something that could be from a scum pov. However, do you think that you saying "complete disregard" of scorrch wasn't a bit of an overreaction of the point? Furthermore, this may be a bit meta, but how do you feel about how big this discussion has gotten & how you've gotten attacked over it? Do you think some of the judgments regarding your post come off as more disingenious than others? For your response to my post, I def agree with this part To reiterate my earlier question, and it also relates to what I said earlier in this post: to what degree did you overreact on purpose to generate discussion? The further down I go the more I start to dislike this slot, I'm not really how asking these questions exactly helps them scumhunt? I'm feeling slightly iffy about this slot; To expand, the early line of questioning here, "do you think that ... the point?" doesn't seem like it goes anywhere. OM could either admit or deny overreaction, but either cases are still NAI and doesn't help town decide whether OM is scum or not. This form of fake scumhunting, basically where this slot tries to ask empty questions, seems wolfy to me It doesn't go anywhere? I understand that it doesn't present my read on OM but... at this point I'm just trying to discuss the situation with others, y'know, trying to work together. To address the "free points" thing, I think that discussing what our strategy for the reward is... is very relevant right now. It's not scumhunting no, but it's still quite a relevant part of the game to us (unlike, for example, having a long discussion to discuss whether lurking is a viable early-game strat - and even then, just mentioning it quickly can happen to anyone imo - as long as you don't try to hide your inactivity behind such conversations and other fake activity). Thanks for responding to my posts tho  |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 2, 2021 7:51:38 GMT
Not so much has happened that I feel like I can afford to spend much longer re-analysing my previous reads, so I'll just present my old reads right now. I'll update them Thursday (or respond to individual questions on specific situations if someone asks me). Will put a few extra statements from what I've seen ani - the contribution given felt genuine to me, I'm interested what they mean by me & the POE thing but it sounded like they were putting in some effort there. Early game town-feel, though I'm cautious with this as the "genuine / contribution" read tends to work better with more inexperienced players. quo - generally agree with what they've said so far, which would give them a town feel for contribution for now. I'm interested to see them act under more pressure where they'll actually have to choose their loyalties, instead of the relatively bird-eye analysis so far (which kinda counts for all of us). Addition: as I mentioned in my last case, unsure why they didn't try to analyse me more, could be scum trying to befriend me, could just be that they actually thought the alex argument is that strong (if so: do you believe alex is scum, or just not playing well so far) alex: think he's mostly not been playing very well, but I consider it NAI. Will need more contribution (sorry for discouraging if I did) to form a better opinion. The one on AZ wasn't too bad but did kinda feel inconsistent. Why'd you turn around on some of these things that I mentioned in the post disregarding you? az: meh, honestly didn't remember much of AZ besides the mechanic talk early game. Still don't think the Scorrch post was that strange but hadn't really tried to push the game forward. Somewhat of a first scum impression as I think more about it. Addition rn: although I feel like their argument on me isn't that strong, I'm glad that AZs presenting a few points on me - is it just my bias that I don't really see it (@ anyone?). Not too sure whether scum!AZ would want to begin a push on me right now, but for now I'll keep it open and say it's plausible (as I said, there'd def been things to mention & discussion board needs to stay open). On the other hand, it may be putting them into a spotlight that they do not enjoy as they could be afraid of me reversing it onto them (if scum), which would not be beneficial (but AZ is also already kinda in a bad spotlight insofar someone can be right now so could have to find a way out of it). I'll come back on this point later (Thursday). scorrch: alright - I tend to enjoy his posting style when he also enters the serious mode at times. I've liked what he had to say so far. See Quo, but exchange talking to Alex for deciding to instead ignore that situation. Will come back on this later as well to think about whether I think ignoring it means something OM: not a huge fan of the playstyle at the start I mentioned - to talk like quo, maybe it reduces a half a percentage points - but yeah especially the scummier leans so far are more a consequence of others seeming more townie so far. It definitely could just be playstyle, although as I said earlier, OM kinda spend a bit long defending his points. tl;dr: I don't know too much yet, but early leans have started to form as a foundation mostly. Kinda glad this is just a 7p thread though. It's cool that I can actually keep oversight of all players relatively easily. Now goodbye and wish me luck with the tests  |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 2, 2021 7:55:38 GMT
Oh yeah, Lynch No Lynch
If you want me to read or respond to something, please tag me in it for now btw, please
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Feb 2, 2021 8:03:04 GMT
is it just my bias that I don't really see it (@ anyone?) Just wanted to update this as I felt like I needed to say a bit more. I personally definitely feel like I've been a bit messy, not been proofreading at all, which probably causes me to be confusing or contradict myself a little when I'm trying to make a point (and I struggle with this when just writing normal essays too s_s). However, I personally felt like the points presented in the case I was referring too weren't all that strong, so that is what I was asking. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Feb 2, 2021 8:26:43 GMT
The issue with this post is that minus the last two paragraphs, this is 90% NAI. I'll refer to this post again later. After reading the posts so far (I'm so sorry for taking my sweet while to post again, uni was tiring as fuck today plus I had some stuff due, typing this whilst trying my best to not fall asleep whilst typing) I'm starting to like this slot a little bit more, but my only issue is that other than having a conversation with Alexander, this slot hasn't really brought a lot to the table. Observing their posts on page 5 & 6, they're inserting themselves in the OM v me saga (i like the word leave me be) and prolonging it, however not exactly extracting anything from it. I want to put extra stress on prolonging the OM v me thing; ultimately the conversation had really boiled down to how my lines were interpreted (and how an intensive discussion was formed despite my efforts trying to clearing up the fact that I didn't say what OM had interpreted >_>). While the discussion initially gave us room to talk, it barely allows strong reads to be formed and prolonging it just makes it bleak and pointless. Not only that, but there were just way too many blank questions being asked by this slot in the om-me saga. FoS. |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 14:36:57 GMT
you didnt read from the very beginning, thats your first issue. 8.5.7 Stop being toxic, alex. One liners and vomit emotes only hinder helping town forward. you see, this point you are making right here, is exactly what i wanted to avoid. 8.5.7 What in here did you want to avoid? Why'd you want to avoid it? can you not ask questions without literally reading our previous posts 8.5.7 |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 14:37:32 GMT
you said, "exactly why i can actually make reads rn. theres actually shit to talk about." he asked you for those reads you provided your reads and he called them weak you then said, "you asked me to provide based on litearlly nothing so far. I did exactly what you asked, I told you that you would not like the results, yet you still forced my hand, yet here we are. Take it or leave it." can you see the problem here? You clearly had some amount of conviction in your reads before you were pressed on them, but after Lucas called them weak you retreated to: 'it's your problem, you asked for them, and there's "literally nothing so far"', instead of any attempt to actually defend them Now, Alexander489 I have a quick question for this analysis - how much of those "reads being weak" were the point, and how would you update your takes on the game's content considering everyone's current stances? still the same bro 8.5.7 |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 14:40:19 GMT
Actually I retract what I said, the responses I got were interesting to some degree, mostly the support I got. Somewhat surprised that people mostly backed me up on this? While the arguments weren't totally bad, I feel like the sudden shift in tone I had & somewhat of a sudden and overt push should've had some people also analyse me and not just Alex. If people would like to clarify why they didn't go ahead. For Alex, I'm not too surprised by his response in general but that may be from earlier forum interactions that I remember vaguely. But yeah Alex, I do hope that you don't get discouraged, in forum you will get people against you and even try to disregard you, but you'll have to pull through :] The further down I go the more I start to dislike this slot, I'm not really how asking these questions exactly helps them scumhunt? I'm feeling slightly iffy about this slot; To expand, the early line of questioning here, "do you think that ... the point?" doesn't seem like it goes anywhere. OM could either admit or deny overreaction, but either cases are still NAI and doesn't help town decide whether OM is scum or not. This form of fake scumhunting, basically where this slot tries to ask empty questions, seems wolfy to me It doesn't go anywhere? I understand that it doesn't present my read on OM but... at this point I'm just trying to discuss the situation with others, y'know, trying to work together. To address the "free points" thing, I think that discussing what our strategy for the reward is... is very relevant right now. It's not scumhunting no, but it's still quite a relevant part of the game to us (unlike, for example, having a long discussion to discuss whether lurking is a viable early-game strat - and even then, just mentioning it quickly can happen to anyone imo - as long as you don't try to hide your inactivity behind such conversations and other fake activity). Thanks for responding to my posts tho huh 8.5.7 |
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Post by Alexander489 on Feb 2, 2021 14:41:10 GMT
Not so much has happened that I feel like I can afford to spend much longer re-analysing my previous reads, so I'll just present my old reads right now. I'll update them Thursday (or respond to individual questions on specific situations if someone asks me). Will put a few extra statements from what I've seen ani - the contribution given felt genuine to me, I'm interested what they mean by me & the POE thing but it sounded like they were putting in some effort there. Early game town-feel, though I'm cautious with this as the "genuine / contribution" read tends to work better with more inexperienced players. quo - generally agree with what they've said so far, which would give them a town feel for contribution for now. I'm interested to see them act under more pressure where they'll actually have to choose their loyalties, instead of the relatively bird-eye analysis so far (which kinda counts for all of us). Addition: as I mentioned in my last case, unsure why they didn't try to analyse me more, could be scum trying to befriend me, could just be that they actually thought the alex argument is that strong (if so: do you believe alex is scum, or just not playing well so far) alex: think he's mostly not been playing very well, but I consider it NAI. Will need more contribution (sorry for discouraging if I did) to form a better opinion. The one on AZ wasn't too bad but did kinda feel inconsistent. Why'd you turn around on some of these things that I mentioned in the post disregarding you? az: meh, honestly didn't remember much of AZ besides the mechanic talk early game. Still don't think the Scorrch post was that strange but hadn't really tried to push the game forward. Somewhat of a first scum impression as I think more about it. Addition rn: although I feel like their argument on me isn't that strong, I'm glad that AZs presenting a few points on me - is it just my bias that I don't really see it (@ anyone?). Not too sure whether scum!AZ would want to begin a push on me right now, but for now I'll keep it open and say it's plausible (as I said, there'd def been things to mention & discussion board needs to stay open). On the other hand, it may be putting them into a spotlight that they do not enjoy as they could be afraid of me reversing it onto them (if scum), which would not be beneficial (but AZ is also already kinda in a bad spotlight insofar someone can be right now so could have to find a way out of it). I'll come back on this point later (Thursday). scorrch: alright - I tend to enjoy his posting style when he also enters the serious mode at times. I've liked what he had to say so far. See Quo, but exchange talking to Alex for deciding to instead ignore that situation. Will come back on this later as well to think about whether I think ignoring it means something OM: not a huge fan of the playstyle at the start I mentioned - to talk like quo, maybe it reduces a half a percentage points - but yeah especially the scummier leans so far are more a consequence of others seeming more townie so far. It definitely could just be playstyle, although as I said earlier, OM kinda spend a bit long defending his points. tl;dr: I don't know too much yet, but early leans have started to form as a foundation mostly. Kinda glad this is just a 7p thread though. It's cool that I can actually keep oversight of all players relatively easily. Now goodbye and wish me luck with the tests i have 0 idea where you get the idea that i was ever defeatist, or was discouraged from playing from, I am nowhere near that. And i have no idea what you mean by your last question 8.5.7 |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 2, 2021 17:41:33 GMT
I'm voting alex tmrw if he's still in this timezone
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Post by quojova on Feb 2, 2021 18:19:56 GMT
Who wants to swap with Litt? Me. why litt? |
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. Dunno what you're trying to do here but I'd like to make some reads & have some discussion before day 84.
. I also said that I'd do my best to bring as much to the table as I could, which uh, I tried to do by ensuring that there was something to discuss. --- this was mainly the post where I sprinkled some hints, not that much actually happened after sadly, but I did try to get some more discussion on this by continuing to mention it
