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Post by arby on Jun 13, 2021 23:13:32 GMT
I lied. D1 vote makes Brady/Arby partnership a pretty big stretch. I just don't like how Arby is talking about Brady, and I don't like that one of the earliest instances of Brady's nitpicking is in conversation D1 with OM, with regard to Arby's (bad) early posting. Could you elaborate on what you don't like. My posts are pretty much just direct responses to your questions, I feel. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 13, 2021 23:16:12 GMT
I'm going to say right up front that I'm fine with either Brady or Mighty going today, as one of them should have gone yesterday. I think forcing this vote today can be helpful in resolving some things. I think that, as I said yesterday, Brady's biggest issue is that most of his game content comes from other players, and most of his volume has come from picking at trivialities. You can see a lot of the latter when he sort of hitches a ride on my posts directed at Fen and Arby (this is throughout pg22-24,where he's asking questions that seem more focused on being seen asking a question than on actually trying to further understanding abt player alignments--again, ask for specific posts if needed), but I think it's also visible when he gets into the small back and forth with Sheep, where he's scrambling to defend the whole mindmelding bit in his Day 1 catchup post. I think in the moment, during that phase, it was a good disclaimer to have at the end of a post that was very much a lot of headnodding--I think the problem is that he hasn't progressed far beyond this during the game, but also that he has at multiple points been defensive about this throughout the game. I also find it interesting to see where and when he chooses to deflect. Like on pg23 especially: it gets to a point of almost hyperfixation, and then he tries to steer course toward the two main wagons for the day, rather than interrogating whether or not those even be the wagons in the first place (which Sheep even nudged at in the moment). Again, I don't think the micro thing was some big gotcha, but I do think it is cause for alarm when someone who has been almost irritating [x] with the amount of time spent on minutia, comes to a grinding halt when asked to do something as simple as "Hey, sheep me". I suppose I'll respond to your inferral question through this. I do agree with what you said about trivialities tbh. His questions to me yesterday regarding my wallpost about PTSD's interactions definitely came off as questions being asked for the sake of asking questions (for instance, the one about scum interactions being not useful to form reads) From my perspective, I felt like the Brady v Sheep situation seemed like Brady getting really defensive over Sheep forming a sl on him. It makes sense for him as scum to really float through this game while making posts which lack substance. Sheep calling him out on it may have rattled him a bit which could have led to the defensiveness we saw. I guess I also found it interesting how I don't think he really pushed much of Scorr after his initial pairings read list. He really just went gave his reads, got into a weird confrontation with Sheep and then decided to vote for Scorr instead mighty cannon/either of us/Micro. Its fair to assume he was just following his reads list but I wonder why he didnt really try to push it harder. I guess to me it just seemed like him giving reads and then voting according to reads but not really caring if the vote went through. Don't see that as town behaviour. The only thing that gives me pause is the D1 voting pattern but I do think a Brady vote would provide useful insight into Micro as well. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 13, 2021 23:17:19 GMT
I lied. D1 vote makes Brady/Arby partnership a pretty big stretch. I just don't like how Arby is talking about Brady, and I don't like that one of the earliest instances of Brady's nitpicking is in conversation D1 with OM, with regard to Arby's (bad) early posting. Could you elaborate on what you don't like. My posts are pretty much just direct responses to your questions, I feel. Your recent posts on his slot seemed at odds with the very visible discussion surrounding the slot EOD yesterday. Your previous post (namely, the part I bolded) improves on that dramatically. |
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Post by pkq on Jun 13, 2021 23:17:33 GMT
After looking at all the posts I have come to the conclusion that schiavetto is part of the mafia team.
I am to try and quote why I feel this way but for tl;dr My views on who is town are opposite of his and he is trying to make up for the bad setup ptsd put the mafia team in at the end of day 1.
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:17:50 GMT
I'm going to say right up front that I'm fine with either Brady or Mighty going today, as one of them should have gone yesterday. I think forcing this vote today can be helpful in resolving some things. I think that, as I said yesterday, Brady's biggest issue is that most of his game content comes from other players, and most of his volume has come from picking at trivialities. You can see a lot of the latter when he sort of hitches a ride on my posts directed at Fen and Arby (this is throughout pg22-24,where he's asking questions that seem more focused on being seen asking a question than on actually trying to further understanding abt player alignments--again, ask for specific posts if needed), but I think it's also visible when he gets into the small back and forth with Sheep, where he's scrambling to defend the whole mindmelding bit in his Day 1 catchup post. I think in the moment, during that phase, it was a good disclaimer to have at the end of a post that was very much a lot of headnodding--I think the problem is that he hasn't progressed far beyond this during the game, but also that he has at multiple points been defensive about this throughout the game. I also find it interesting to see where and when he chooses to deflect. Like on pg23 especially: it gets to a point of almost hyperfixation, and then he tries to steer course toward the two main wagons for the day, rather than interrogating whether or not those even be the wagons in the first place (which Sheep even nudged at in the moment). Again, I don't think the micro thing was some big gotcha, but I do think it is cause for alarm when someone who has been almost irritating [x] with the amount of time spent on minutia, comes to a grinding halt when asked to do something as simple as "Hey, sheep me". I suppose I'll respond to your inferral question through this. I do agree with what you said about trivialities tbh. His questions to me yesterday regarding my wallpost about PTSD's interactions definitely came off as questions being asked for the sake of asking questions (for instance, the one about scum interactions being not useful to form reads) From my perspective, I felt like the Brady v Sheep situation seemed like Brady getting really defensive over Sheep forming a sl on him. It makes sense for him as scum to really float through this game while making posts which lack substance. Sheep calling him out on it may have rattled him a bit which could have led to the defensiveness we saw. I guess I also found it interesting how I don't think he really pushed much of Scorr after his initial pairings read list. He really just went gave his reads, got into a weird confrontation with Sheep and then decided to vote for Scorr instead mighty cannon/either of us/Micro. Its fair to assume he was just following his reads list but I wonder why he didnt really try to push it harder. I guess to me it just seemed like him giving reads and then voting according to reads but not really caring if the vote went through. Don't see that as town behaviour. The only thing that gives me pause is the D1 voting pattern but I do think a Brady vote would provide useful insight into Micro as well. I do agree Brady vs micro was a small fragment of d2 but felt out of nowhere and unfinished, so either vote could be useful to the other. Also can i see the line where he reads scorrr, i didn’t do the most thorough check, but i couldn’t find it. |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:18:44 GMT
After looking at all the posts I have come to the conclusion that schiavetto is part of the mafia team. I am to try and quote why I feel this way but for tl;dr My views on who is town are opposite of his and he is trying to make up for the bad setup ptsd put the mafia team in at the end of day 1. Can you give an example quote of the “compensation”? |
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Post by arby on Jun 13, 2021 23:19:56 GMT
This post will be in 4 parts as to not overflow your brains. Shortly after posting these I will be going to sleep. It is graduation day Thursday and will be doing that and dinner the majority of my day . Might have sometime in between certain events but I’ll be mostly inactive until Thursday evening or Friday morning . Keep in mind this was finished before the night ended, so regardless of who was killed I’m still posting these and going to sleep pretty quickly. (INSERT ARBY QUOTE) I'm going to imagine, for the sake of the game, that you unlynched PTSD and lynched me in regards to wagonomics. This is why you properly format (or I guess why you don't lol?). Regardless, this needs to be said because I'm unsure how Ocean would flip compared to PTSD, which would have been the case had his vote came through, but good work town 👍 I'd also like to say I am going to respond to less messages than before as it is tiresome and now feels more and more unnecessary to do so. I will be responding to posts mostly relating to myself (give or take that's probably ~ 75% of what I will respond to) but I will also respond to things I deem fit to. I am now very briefly going to talk about why I think PTSD pushed for me being town.. that being that I have no idea. I already said I would be inactive for the remainder of the day and he was my 2nd biggest sr other than Arby if you guys read my posts (maybe he didn't?). It also could have been setting Arby up for later in the game (This feels like a LIKELY scenario, but even then, Sheep's inclusion in the post made it seem like he was mainly APPEALING to me?? Could be both of these too tbh). It was pretty clear I wasn't going to save him, but he seemed to gather a few "saving" votes in his response though, interested in that (maybe I just had to be there, the day ending sometimes gets to people?). Anyways cool, and moving on. I'm currently suspicious of the remaining two scum being Arby + Scorr; mainly because of one interaction that stood out to me. Although I am more suspicious of Arby's other statements than Scorr's for the time being, I still haven't gotten an answer to my question for Scorr which I asked mere seconds after his response to my first one as I was spamming refresh on my phone at the time (also yes this is the interaction I am talking about). (INSERT ALL SCORR / ARBY / BRADY INTERACTIONS ABOUT THAT QUESTION) Because of the reasoning above + since he started the interaction, I was planning to vote him until he gave a response, but my personal time is a factor I have to consider. I’m not gonna lie I was thinking for ~ half an hour specifically on whether or not to lock my vote on Scorr or Arby as of this post. Lynch Arby I would normally probably vote Scorr here and wait until Scorr answers before explaining why I think it is scummy then deciding as I see fit, but because I do not have the time to spare irl so I’ll just explain it. Scorr’s question had no “wrong” response (i.e. yes or no or whatever he replied would all be fine). The only reason you would ask this is because it is an easy question to ask and serves as a good way to show activity without anything meaningful, this comes off as really scummy to me. For why I am choosing to lynch Arby, refer to my 4th post this day. Arby COULD have just been the means Scorr used for pulling this. Although I think I suspect Arby more than Scorr through a larger variety of posts, while this one Scorr post in particular seemed sus. At the moment, I’d be 100% with a Scorr lynch seeing as how yesterday unfolded though (keep in mind this may change based okay the responses are and other things that happen this day). Potential Pairings + Read Speculation (All written before the night ended when you see this and are in NO PARTICULAR ORDER) Arby + Scorr: Obviously, Arby + Scorr are my #1 pairing and the fact that they are both my highest scumreads only supports this. For the record, yes, currently Arby is more of a scumread than scorr hence me lynching him right now (waiting for Scorr's answer still). Arby has repeatedly said things that use inaccurate logic, words he doesn't know, and wrong information. I feel as he is trying to, and yes I'm going to use this word, "pocket" winsytinsy (aka pkq) based on the vast amount of comments mentioning him that seem to be irrelevant and trying to sway his vote as a new player (notice how he did NOT do this with PTSD). Scorr is a scumread for the interactions with Arby as well as picking and choosing questions and criticism of him to answer. No one else is nearly as high as these two on my sus radar. Fenrir + Ocean: I townread Fenrir (2nd most town-like, a good distance behind OM though) because he didn't shift vote to Ocean for PTSD. He specifically stated he didn't like either wagon and preferrer to start shifting to Scorr, but didn't and it would have been fairly easy to. However, assuming Fenrir + Ocean are both Mafia, I see that interaction very differently. For the record I'm pretty null on Ocean because, admittedly, I haven't made enough or an effort to look into his posts. Maybe this is poor phrasing or contradictory, but his posts seem like "Relevant Filler". So yeah TR on Fenrir, Null on Ocean.. If one flips scum I'll assume the other is too (all subject to change this isn't set in stone). Mightycannon + Sheep: They both were lynching me for reasons that seem to make no sense. Call this an OMGUS or whatever but I still don't understand the reasoning. Counterwagon attempt aside, Null on mightycannon for being inactive and kinda useless at the moment (no offense bud) and I am putting a respectable scumlean on Sheep for making very little sense to me. Schia seemed to understand it, I don't see it at all. Schia +  : This isn't a pairing anymore but more of a read change. Less of a townread now after voting ocean, seemed like they were pretty confident on PTSD and suddenly Ocean said something that changed that? (Read but cannot make out what the interaction was between those). Still I'd like to strong townlean Schia for starting the PTSD sus, even if they backed off. Also worth noting I have no clue how Ocean would have flipped, hence the null read on Ocean, if Ocean ends up scum you're my #1 townread at the moment (REST IN PEACE) OM + : Also a read update. Most town-like still to me. Seemed to have a struggle at the end of the day that seemed genuine. However, the result of said struggle almost got Ocean lynched. As I said many times this post, Ocean is a null for me, so this isn't necessarily scummy. Granted, he's slightly less-town at the end of yesterday, but still my #1 most town. blurb + : Didn't say enough but I like the little contributions he has made. Valid points about everyone, I'll put him an extremely slight townlean (as in basically null, get more active I want to hear more from you). Winsy/pkq + : Null, I hope pkq contributes more With that I bid you goodbye for however long it takes me. I talked with FTF and I don’t think I’ll get subbed Sorry in advance, no one likes this from a player but I have to. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 13, 2021 23:20:06 GMT
After looking at all the posts I have come to the conclusion that schiavetto is part of the mafia team. I am to try and quote why I feel this way but for tl;dr My views on who is town are opposite of his and he is trying to make up for the bad setup ptsd put the mafia team in at the end of day 1. I, too, would rather post actual dogshit than attempt to come to an understanding with someone who disagrees with me. |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:20:27 GMT
Cool ty.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 13, 2021 23:20:45 GMT
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Post by arby on Jun 13, 2021 23:24:01 GMT
After looking at all the posts I have come to the conclusion that schiavetto is part of the mafia team. I am to try and quote why I feel this way but for tl;dr My views on who is town are opposite of his and he is trying to make up for the bad setup ptsd put the mafia team in at the end of day 1. Who do you see as town, PKQ? |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 13, 2021 23:24:04 GMT
Sheep asked the important question, but while we're here and being made to Experience this: pkq who is my partner |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 13, 2021 23:24:37 GMT
After looking at all the posts I have come to the conclusion that schiavetto is part of the mafia team. I am to try and quote why I feel this way but for tl;dr My views on who is town are opposite of his and he is trying to make up for the bad setup ptsd put the mafia team in at the end of day 1. Who do you see as town, PKQ? I think everyone is town here and I'm occupying both maf slots by myself. Scary Schia Big Bad. |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:26:12 GMT
Schia is the only mafia player ik that is the entire scum team.
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 13, 2021 23:28:12 GMT
hola, I am here too I suppose I'll respond to your inferral question through this. I do agree with what you said about trivialities tbh. His questions to me yesterday regarding my wallpost about PTSD's interactions definitely came off as questions being asked for the sake of asking questions (for instance, the one about scum interactions being not useful to form reads) From my perspective, I felt like the Brady v Sheep situation seemed like Brady getting really defensive over Sheep forming a sl on him. It makes sense for him as scum to really float through this game while making posts which lack substance. Sheep calling him out on it may have rattled him a bit which could have led to the defensiveness we saw. I guess I also found it interesting how I don't think he really pushed much of Scorr after his initial pairings read list. He really just went gave his reads, got into a weird confrontation with Sheep and then decided to vote for Scorr instead mighty cannon/either of us/Micro. Its fair to assume he was just following his reads list but I wonder why he didnt really try to push it harder. I guess to me it just seemed like him giving reads and then voting according to reads but not really caring if the vote went through. Don't see that as town behaviour. The only thing that gives me pause is the D1 voting pattern but I do think a Brady vote would provide useful insight into Micro as well. I do agree Brady vs micro was a small fragment of d2 but felt out of nowhere and unfinished, so either vote could be useful to the other. Also can i see the line where he reads scorrr, i didn’t do the most thorough check, but i couldn’t find it. Your comment to this message is pretty weird to me. First off, I don’t remember at any point during d2 that “Brady vs micro” happened, in fact I remember stating that I had a townread on him because of the ptsd flip so pls tell me where ur getting this. And second, it looks like you’re pretty much deathtunneling Brady at this point, yet you mention that you’re fine with either of us dying to get info on the other. If I get lynched and flip green today, will your read on Brady disappear or will you still tunnel him? What makes you think us two are partners? |
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Post by arby on Jun 13, 2021 23:28:17 GMT
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Post by arby on Jun 13, 2021 23:28:28 GMT
Lmao
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 13, 2021 23:28:30 GMT
Sheep asked the important question, but while we're here and being made to Experience this: pkq who is my partner Stole my question ☹️ Guess I’m too slow |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 13, 2021 23:28:41 GMT
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 13, 2021 23:29:26 GMT
I’ll wait for this however long it takes, mightycannon, what are your thoughts on Brady, and if you think he’s town who do you think is the scum here. Who do you think is town here |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:29:43 GMT
hola, I am here too I do agree Brady vs micro was a small fragment of d2 but felt out of nowhere and unfinished, so either vote could be useful to the other. Also can i see the line where he reads scorrr, i didn’t do the most thorough check, but i couldn’t find it. Your comment to this message is pretty weird to me. First off, I don’t remember at any point during d2 that “Brady vs micro” happened, in fact I remember stating that I had a townread on him because of the ptsd flip so pls tell me where ur getting this. And second, it looks like you’re pretty much deathtunneling Brady at this point, yet you mention that you’re fine with either of us dying to get info on the other. If I get lynched and flip green today, will your read on Brady disappear or will you still tunnel him? What makes you think us two are partners? It was one sided. And yes i am tunneling, welcome. |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:30:06 GMT
And i don’t think your partners, hence the VS
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 13, 2021 23:31:08 GMT
And i don’t think your partners, hence the VS Then do you think we’re town vs scum? I’m honestly confused on why you think one of us dying reveals the alignment of the other here |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 13, 2021 23:33:53 GMT
I’m saying, a vote can give us insight on the occurence earlier as well as factions now.
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Post by arby on Jun 13, 2021 23:35:43 GMT
micro after reading through the Brady discussion, what are your thoughts on a Brady vote today? Would you rather Brady or Mighty?
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: This isn't a pairing anymore but more of a read change. Less of a townread now after voting ocean, seemed like they were pretty confident on PTSD and suddenly Ocean said something that changed that? (Read but cannot make out what the interaction was between those). Still I'd like to strong townlean Schia for starting the PTSD sus, even if they backed off. Also worth noting I have no clue how Ocean would have flipped, hence the null read on Ocean, if Ocean ends up scum you're my #1 townread at the moment
