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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:45:34 GMT
@@fortcolors i hope you are ready for a funny question hypothetically if you're partners with penguin here and you just read this post: "what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever?" what do you do also this question is decidedly less funny now |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:45:45 GMT
@@fortcolors i hope you are ready for a funny question hypothetically if you're partners with penguin here and you just read this post: "what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever?" what do you do hypothetically, i make this post the posts he has today are at the very least enough to see that he cares about what happens to his slot what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever? do you have a vote on the board rn btw? - it's just super annoying to track down i currently do not have a vote down. Here it is.
Vote: Penguind Thinking about your question lead me to this answer. If he continues to play like this, we will be just as null on him at lylo as we are right now. (all assuming he continues to play like this) I cannot imagine a world in which scum!anyone kills town!penguind at night. If penguin makes it to lylo, we aren't going to have stronger reasoning for lynching him than we do today. It would be the same "he's barely playing" shit and there's actually a chance that other people will choose not to vote him because some townie made a big mistake somewhere and he didn't because he didn't do anything so there's no mistake to be scumread. If that happens with town!penguind and i'm alive, i'm going to vote him. I fell for it once with cayden and I don't want to let lurkscum win again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If that happens with scum!penguind and other people go with a different vote for whatever reason then we actually just lose. Therefore, I argue that we cannot take penguin to lylo and should look to remove the tumor slot asa[.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:47:00 GMT
@@fortcolors i hope you are ready for a funny question hypothetically if you're partners with penguin here and you just read this post: "what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever?" what do you do also this question is decidedly less funny now this question is absolutely hilarious if i'm not partnered with penguin which is why im laughing my ass of right now
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:47:10 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:47:41 GMT
@@fortcolors i hope you are ready for a funny question hypothetically if you're partners with penguin here and you just read this post: "what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever?" what do you do hypothetically, i make this post i currently do not have a vote down. Here it is.
Vote: Penguind Thinking about your question lead me to this answer. If he continues to play like this, we will be just as null on him at lylo as we are right now. (all assuming he continues to play like this) I cannot imagine a world in which scum!anyone kills town!penguind at night. If penguin makes it to lylo, we aren't going to have stronger reasoning for lynching him than we do today. It would be the same "he's barely playing" shit and there's actually a chance that other people will choose not to vote him because some townie made a big mistake somewhere and he didn't because he didn't do anything so there's no mistake to be scumread. If that happens with town!penguind and i'm alive, i'm going to vote him. I fell for it once with cayden and I don't want to let lurkscum win again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If that happens with scum!penguind and other people go with a different vote for whatever reason then we actually just lose. Therefore, I argue that we cannot take penguin to lylo and should look to remove the tumor slot asa[.
yes i just explained what a policy vote is. i realized it after typing it out. incredible. thank you for this information. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:52:21 GMT
hypothetically, i make this post incredible. thank you for this information. What? Do you got an actual opinion on Gary. i had forgotten the reason gary was questionable. i'm like... grudgingly accepting of a vote on him right now. I don't quite think scum!gary protects ddlc there but other than that he's been waffling around in a very noncommittal way. actually let's just run this down. I'm not gonna quote everything, just everything related to him being decisive.
Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of. mixed feelings on cyan. Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. ddlc is just memeing but not necessarily town key because he argued not that you guys were wrong for voting ddlc, but that yall were voting ddlc for the wrong reasons. and as kliff asked for.... Regarding user PenguinD: Penguin could easily be scum. They've had 2 posts about ddlc pmeta, an rvs vote, telling someone they're in the wrong game, and iioa. That's it. Now as previously established, pmeta should not be used in any way and they honestly hopped ontp the ddlc wagon withput a real reason. Now I know I have been saying I don't tr ddlc but tbh, the growth of his wagon based mostly on his uselessness does make him appear townie to me. he comes to a decision here, and puts a FoS on penguin. penguin then comes along tomorrow to say "hmmm i would've voted this guy except i showed up immediately after twilight began" Um when looking at interactions? At the time of post Penguin literally hasn't had any still calling out penguin, though this isn't really decisive or not. yo okay Vertigo do you mind posting some of the reads on me from yday cuz I must be blind y'all tunnel vision getting the best of you and mine is too, I'm tempted to shuft back to wape skyfigueroa fwiw the only forum game I've ever been scum in is mononoke I'll probs do a wallpost either today or tomorrow assuming I'm not hammered before then just to get my reads out there for y'all since I presume I'm dead unless some crazy persuasion happens you're.... tempted to shift back to an rvs vote? what? from what i can see you haven't brought up wallape as a lynch target except in your original vote. FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him that is because i hadn't had reads on you until they pointed it out. but this is certainly decisive. y'all say indecisive on everything and its literally just sfl. Yes, I was indecisive on sfl. And I still am. I really don't see the issue with being uncertain about a read on someone. and with ape as a sl, I was saying potential partner interaction between sfl and ape, but since ape is the sl, I got on ape I have come to the conclusion that he's right. the only indecision is on sfl, and I hadn't realized it until I read his iso. I stand corrected and am no longer willing to vote gary for now. Though I would love for you to explain to me how shifting back to an rvs would be any sort of productive tunnelling from you? if you wanted a serious answer, then why does your hypothetical fort+penguin team do this. unless the team in your hypothetical is fort+gary+penguin and im trying to save the gary? in which case everyone except penguin on your gary wagon IS pure after all, which doesn't seem to be what you've concluded so far. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:52:53 GMT
incredible. thank you for this information. i had forgotten the reason gary was questionable. i'm like... grudgingly accepting of a vote on him right now. I don't quite think scum!gary protects ddlc there but other than that he's been waffling around in a very noncommittal way. actually let's just run this down. I'm not gonna quote everything, just everything related to him being decisive.
mixed feelings on cyan.
ddlc is just memeing but not necessarily town key because he argued not that you guys were wrong for voting ddlc, but that yall were voting ddlc for the wrong reasons. he comes to a decision here, and puts a FoS on penguin. penguin then comes along tomorrow to say "hmmm i would've voted this guy except i showed up immediately after twilight began" still calling out penguin, though this isn't really decisive or not. you're.... tempted to shift back to an rvs vote? what? from what i can see you haven't brought up wallape as a lynch target except in your original vote. that is because i hadn't had reads on you until they pointed it out. but this is certainly decisive. I have come to the conclusion that he's right. the only indecision is on sfl, and I hadn't realized it until I read his iso. I stand corrected and am no longer willing to vote gary for now. Though I would love for you to explain to me how shifting back to an rvs would be any sort of productive tunnelling from you? if you wanted a serious answer, then why does your hypothetical fort+penguin team do this. unless the team in your hypothetical is fort+gary+penguin and im trying to save the gary? in which case everyone except penguin on your gary wagon IS pure after all, which doesn't seem to be what you've concluded so far. keeping in mind that penguin isn't actually on gary yet |
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Post by wallape on Jun 11, 2021 7:05:00 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus.Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavageOk i swear I thought I had more than just this and fake uncertainty rn ummm |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 7:06:48 GMT
incredible. thank you for this information. i had forgotten the reason gary was questionable. i'm like... grudgingly accepting of a vote on him right now. I don't quite think scum!gary protects ddlc there but other than that he's been waffling around in a very noncommittal way. actually let's just run this down. I'm not gonna quote everything, just everything related to him being decisive.
mixed feelings on cyan.
ddlc is just memeing but not necessarily town key because he argued not that you guys were wrong for voting ddlc, but that yall were voting ddlc for the wrong reasons. he comes to a decision here, and puts a FoS on penguin. penguin then comes along tomorrow to say "hmmm i would've voted this guy except i showed up immediately after twilight began" still calling out penguin, though this isn't really decisive or not. you're.... tempted to shift back to an rvs vote? what? from what i can see you haven't brought up wallape as a lynch target except in your original vote. that is because i hadn't had reads on you until they pointed it out. but this is certainly decisive. I have come to the conclusion that he's right. the only indecision is on sfl, and I hadn't realized it until I read his iso. I stand corrected and am no longer willing to vote gary for now. Though I would love for you to explain to me how shifting back to an rvs would be any sort of productive tunnelling from you? if you wanted a serious answer, then why does your hypothetical fort+penguin team do this. unless the team in your hypothetical is fort+gary+penguin and im trying to save the gary? in which case everyone except penguin on your gary wagon IS pure after all, which doesn't seem to be what you've concluded so far. that's fairly compelling tbh although I feel like I can still gaze at fort-peng worlds i'm pretty sure the scumteam is never gary+penguin |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 7:09:27 GMT
if fort is town when peng is town and fort is town when peng is scum then fort is town
big brain
unfortunately still not sure about the latter but getting there would be cool
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Post by wallape on Jun 11, 2021 7:20:23 GMT
kliff what r ur thoughts on peng atm?
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 7:33:48 GMT
Having a hard time determining if this post an opportunistic settling attempted or a genuine thought. Someone chime in on this
I dont know what was going on in his head , but I gave him some townpoints for this because it is a pretty risky move this doesn't even make sense, terri on an unrelated side note i think i want to write down a few notes for myself: - sky's thought progression seems to be taking into account everything that's happening, and he seems like he's genuinely trying to unpack the game. probably town - from quojova and fortcolors' exchange in the few posts above this i'm tempted to say that they can't be scumpartners. if one flips red the other must be green |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 9:58:01 GMT
Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavageOk i swear I thought I had more than just this and fake uncertainty rn ummm does this change anything regarding ur mindset towards gary or nah |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 10:24:47 GMT
but wallape the reason why i had an issue with u sring gary was i didnt really see him being decisive outside of cyan. tbf he was pretty quiet this game i think but he made his reads pretty clear regarding ddlc and.... i think penguin and that's it. so bgb has opened me to gary/cyan cuz that's the only guy he was indecisive abt so i'm wondering if u think the same thing? My read on Gary was not based on him being indecisive, it was more of him faking indecisiveness/uncertainty. In the post where he defended ddlc, he said ddlc was negtown and that he shouldn't be voted. But the at the end he goes "if ur voting him for smth other than filler, go ahead idgaf, bc im uncertain." Like where you saying im uncertain if u just spent a hot minute defending someone? we're sending it. I said ddlc could be negtown and I didn't say they shouldn't be voted. I said they shouldn't be voted for the reasons of meming. I also did not say I was uncertain regarding ddlc, at least not in that manner, though I may have been misunderstood. I did also state I had a slight tl on ddlc due to the growth of wagon buildup |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 10:35:03 GMT
nvm shift back to Peng
thought I sr wape more, that vote isn't happening. also fort we had the discussion y-day wape wasn't an rvs vote. Unsure how I feel about fort beginning to change from sl to tl on me. It's likey they want the cred when I flip town. As for peng + fort, its possible, especially if fort realized peng isn't even on me, and that when peng gets on me I'm clearly the vote, but then when peng flips tomorrow, they can have the cred for being on peng today
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Post by wallape on Jun 11, 2021 10:38:16 GMT
Huh then whyd u say ur uncertain? You were uncertain regarding what exactly?
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 11, 2021 10:38:49 GMT
chaostrodon weird question to ask directly but do you think there is any reason I should consider you outside of your scumrange rn also do you have any past games (preferably more recent) that you can link because I haven't seen your towngame before If I knew I was doing something outside of my scumrange , I would just include it in my scumrange and then it wont be outside of my scumrange anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I'll admit to one thing. As convenient as it may be , wallape's reason for tling me doesnt really apply to me atleast . (Look at my entrance in the time heist game) I dont know what was going on in his head , but I gave him some townpoints for this because it is a pretty risky move this doesn't even make sense, terri on an unrelated side note i think i want to write down a few notes for myself: - sky's thought progression seems to be taking into account everything that's happening, and he seems like he's genuinely trying to unpack the game. probably town - from quojova and fortcolors' exchange in the few posts above this i'm tempted to say that they can't be scumpartners. if one flips red the other must be green Because by voting Fortcolors there , it was highly likely it would devolve into a Penguin vs Fortcolors situation. And given how much more active and persuading FortColors is over Peng , Penguin would get absolutely demolished in that matchup. Hence why I call it risky. I feel like this thought must have crossed scum!Penguin and he would be hesitant to vote there. Kinda feel like a lot of people are too comfortable GTS wagon and it is making me uncomfortable . There is a certain lack of agitation in this PL that makes me think scum is just sitting comfortably out there , and we are completely off track with respect to both GTS and Peng What do we think of a Vertigo/Articunight/Wallape scumteam |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 10:41:03 GMT
wallape get me the quote and I'll try and clear things up
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 10:41:22 GMT
My read on Gary was not based on him being indecisive, it was more of him faking indecisiveness/uncertainty. In the post where he defended ddlc, he said ddlc was negtown and that he shouldn't be voted. But the at the end he goes "if ur voting him for smth other than filler, go ahead idgaf, bc im uncertain." Like where you saying im uncertain if u just spent a hot minute defending someone? we're sending it. I said ddlc could be negtown and I didn't say they shouldn't be voted. I said they shouldn't be voted for the reasons of meming. I also did not say I was uncertain regarding ddlc, at least not in that manner, though I may have been misunderstood. I did also state I had a slight tl on ddlc due to the growth of wagon buildup why did u choose wallape and not any of the other like 5 people who sr u for similar reasons |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 10:41:54 GMT
nvm I see it above
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Post by wallape on Jun 11, 2021 10:43:57 GMT
Ok i swear I thought I had more than just this and fake uncertainty rn ummm does this change anything regarding ur mindset towards gary or nah Also im not rly sure exactly bc the more I read through it the less unlikely I find town going through a process that he went through when voting me... the only manner I see is he wanted to have some interactions with cyan but didn't feel comfortable lynching him (this is the main reason I see cyan + gary). On the other hand I see quo making valid points bc there's like what 6-7 ppl willing to vote out gary? There is one explanation for this but idr want to say it (right now atleast) |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 10:44:50 GMT
I was not saying I was uncertain about ddlc. Rather, I was uncertain about people's reasoning for voting ddlc, in the sense that for me I didn't like it because it wasn't convincing enough and flt like an excuse to vote him as he was being a memer.
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 10:46:57 GMT
Shift Vote to Wapewe're sending it. I said ddlc could be negtown and I didn't say they shouldn't be voted. I said they shouldn't be voted for the reasons of meming. I also did not say I was uncertain regarding ddlc, at least not in that manner, though I may have been misunderstood. I did also state I had a slight tl on ddlc due to the growth of wagon buildup why did u choose wallape and not any of the other like 5 people who sr u for similar reasons because m votes are based off who I sr, not who srs me? |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 10:49:04 GMT
this doesn't even make sense, terri on an unrelated side note i think i want to write down a few notes for myself: - sky's thought progression seems to be taking into account everything that's happening, and he seems like he's genuinely trying to unpack the game. probably town - from quojova and fortcolors' exchange in the few posts above this i'm tempted to say that they can't be scumpartners. if one flips red the other must be green Because by voting Fortcolors there , it was highly likely it would devolve into a Penguin vs Fortcolors situation. And given how much more active and persuading FortColors is over Peng , Penguin would get absolutely demolished in that matchup. Hence why I call it risky. I feel like this thought must have crossed scum!Penguin and he would be hesitant to vote there. Kinda feel like a lot of people are too comfortable GTS wagon and it is making me uncomfortable . There is a certain lack of agitation in this PL that makes me think scum is just sitting comfortably out there , and we are completely off track with respect to both GTS and Peng What do we think of a Vertigo/Articunight/Wallape scumteam ooo oooo i would love to dive a bit deeper on that perspective. problem is, they are not here. for a while now  . also i like how u explained the penguin situation it definitely makes a ton of sense imo. the only doubt in my mind regarding it is if penguin cares about the game enough to think that much, which seems to be kinda questionable so far. |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 10:52:15 GMT
why did u choose wallape and not any of the other like 5 people who sr u for similar reasons because m votes are based off who I sr, not who srs me? wait why r u sring wallape again? i just assumed it was bc u found his reason for lynching u to be bad. which is why i said what i said bc u have half the pl sring u and there seems to be a common theme among their reads |
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