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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:01:11 GMT
I'm gonna start with
Unvote: SaltiestCactus
there's no point being on this wagon, it's completely nai and i doubt the slot's gonna hit 5 posts today. okay fair colors are pretty. After all, I am Fort and I like Colors :^). I'm glad someone else takes issue with kliff's posts because I couldn't tell if it was just godawful formatting and capitalization or if the posts themselves felt off. But I hate them. With a passion. typing in forums is hard idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. current thoughts: A: Why are you Fos'ing on gary? // i didn't understand it. is it them being uncertain? but that would qualify as a townslip, since certainty is often correlatable to being the minority with info B: I really want to see ddlc defend against cyan's 3 point agenda post C: Switching between peng/sc isn't an issue, i still want to gather reactions since i haven't played with most of you :^ D: I should make a votecount whenever i post since god its confusing to not have that accessibly General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) i can't...figure out how to quote multiple people so um bear with me ; In reference to kliff just a couple notes post many of the points don't make sense to me, although i'm glad the penguin tr thing was pointed out(weird as all hell, might be scum spew, might be a random attempt to divert attention) why was cyan getting on ddlc weird, could you explain that while keeping in mind the current state of the game as compared to only the first post? considering that it was very early game there isn't necessarily much logic behind each vote. I'm assuming the teammates think alike thing was in reference to a possible scumteam of cyan+chaostrodon but again, people grasping on to the same point kinda makes that iffy in my opinion. other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon. My fos on gary is for 2 reasons. 1) during my read-through he just felt extremely defensive to me. This was a gut feeling, and I quoted a post earlier that was particularly egregious. ("fake town...?") 2) he's been noncommittal about just about everything. The only thing he's been certain of is that ddlc is a memer, and everything else is just waffling about. There's a difference between town uncertainty and scum unwillingness to commit to something. Scum might hesitate to commit to a townlynch because they don't want to be scrutinized after, or they might hesitate to push a scumwagon even after saying "hmmmm x is scummy" because they won't want to lose a partner. To me, the difference is that gary seems to just be uncertain about everythingLook at my signature, I hate lurkers. to that end lynch penguindim expecting my 600 word essay any time now. . |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:14:58 GMT
currently my biggest townread is, curiously enough, kliff. his posts are godawful to read and i hate them but his big analysis was very on point and i think we should definitely lynch one of penguin or gary today. chaos: i think i find his tunnel vision on gary to be rather... interesting? i'm trying to figure out what scum!chaos gets from tunnelling gary and the only thing i can think of is protecting penguin. alternately it could be a heavy bus on an already scumread partner? |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 17, 2021 1:15:26 GMT
how does wallape being townread make wape town I do townread him as well, so from my pov he is town okay, why? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:15:37 GMT
FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him you're right actually. i have no idea why i'm okay with voting you. i give you towncred for correctly labelling ddlc as a memer yesterday. I don't think scum has a need to do that, when it looked like town was happily going to vote out ddlc out for it
only possibility would be if scum was leading the ddlc vote and scum!gary needed to be a scum on the other side.
still this |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:17:47 GMT
i remember now, gary being highkey indecisive on everything. okay yeah im still okay with that vote. sorry if my brainspace is just not here spending time with cute girl makes brain mushify but wallape the reason why i had an issue with u sring gary was i didnt really see him being decisive outside of cyan. tbf he was pretty quiet this game i think but he made his reads pretty clear regarding ddlc and.... i think penguin and that's it. so bgb has opened me to gary/cyan cuz that's the only guy he was indecisive abt so i'm wondering if u think the same thing? other than gary/cyan though im still hesitant to go for gary. plus i've kinda been townleaning cyan which is mostly why these are on the sus side |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:18:58 GMT
WAIT cyan ur right. i think the gary being indecisive thing is being blown out of proportion cuz he was only really indecisive regarding u, cyan talon, stormfirelucario. but "because sfl was and still is significantly more town than you." why didn't you just say that if that's how you really felt. u only really said u actually tled him instead of flipflopping today |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:20:40 GMT
My read on Gary was not based on him being indecisive, it was more of him faking indecisiveness/uncertainty. In the post where he defended ddlc, he said ddlc was negtown and that he shouldn't be voted. But the at the end he goes "if ur voting him for smth other than filler, go ahead idgaf, bc im uncertain." Like where you saying im uncertain if u just spent a hot minute defending someone? ohh ok. ngl never paid much attention to the last paragraph mostly just the first 2 so i didnt catch that. personally i didn't interpret it that way mostly cuz my read on ddlc was kinda the same. like his shitpostiness meant nothing to me like i said multiple times, but cyan made some compelling points that were def splitting my brain and confused me alot. plus a few lines later he kinda affirmed ddlc on the townier side, not strongly but still a stance. anyway im not gonna stop u anymore cuz ur reasoning seems pretty deep-rooted and sound. and if gary dies yall know who im looking at next. anyway, thoughts on articoo? this ones seems alright but it was delivered at a point where it felt like gary was gonna get buried |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:24:04 GMT
posts on top of page 26 from fort flipping on gary come immediately after I strongly push against gary
not direct evidence but supports the team idea
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:26:16 GMT
incredible. thank you for this information. i had forgotten the reason gary was questionable. i'm like... grudgingly accepting of a vote on him right now. I don't quite think scum!gary protects ddlc there but other than that he's been waffling around in a very noncommittal way. actually let's just run this down. I'm not gonna quote everything, just everything related to him being decisive.
mixed feelings on cyan.
ddlc is just memeing but not necessarily town key because he argued not that you guys were wrong for voting ddlc, but that yall were voting ddlc for the wrong reasons. he comes to a decision here, and puts a FoS on penguin. penguin then comes along tomorrow to say "hmmm i would've voted this guy except i showed up immediately after twilight began" still calling out penguin, though this isn't really decisive or not. you're.... tempted to shift back to an rvs vote? what? from what i can see you haven't brought up wallape as a lynch target except in your original vote. that is because i hadn't had reads on you until they pointed it out. but this is certainly decisive. I have come to the conclusion that he's right. the only indecision is on sfl, and I hadn't realized it until I read his iso. I stand corrected and am no longer willing to vote gary for now. Though I would love for you to explain to me how shifting back to an rvs would be any sort of productive tunnelling from you? if you wanted a serious answer, then why does your hypothetical fort+penguin team do this. unless the team in your hypothetical is fort+gary+penguin and im trying to save the gary? in which case everyone except penguin on your gary wagon IS pure after all, which doesn't seem to be what you've concluded so far. hm |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:33:43 GMT
ok so I reread d1 and d2 with a focus on gary/sky/fort
sky can be scum
sky's scum equity with gary is fairly high
fort has some posts that seem to point away from gary+fort; but the most substantial ones come after the gary wagon looks settled (and they are not really beyond his distancing game imo)
gary/sky/fort is still viable
there's still a lot I didn't quote here though so uh if you guys want to iso those days yourselves I recommend it but I kinda doubt anyone will
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:36:34 GMT
actually the fort/sky/articu scumteam idea is bad
I don't think fort and sky stick this closely together if it's not to defend their scumbuddy gary
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:39:05 GMT
which means I don't have any explicit scumteams I'm considering with fort that don't contain gary anymore
which makes my reason for voting fort kinda moot
still don't really expect to vote outside of fort/sky/gary but I might reconsider which I go for
and I still have to check the other scumteam ideas with chaos or vert
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 1:39:45 GMT
and there's still just other scumteams I have to consider I think
probably need to reread wallape given how much I'm banking on him being town here
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 17, 2021 1:42:47 GMT
or its because sky/fort haven't needed to defend their partner. I've literally beenYet here wre are the cw since d1. I should be dead.
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 2:10:03 GMT
or its because sky/fort haven't needed to defend their partner. I've literally beenYet here wre are the cw since d1. I should be dead. I'm not sure what your point is (although I believe I have deciphered the typing error that occurred here) I've shown you posts where sky and fort resign to you being hanged as it seems dire and flipping back to you being town and defend you as soon as support arrives that is partnery behavior can you elaborate on the conclusions you are trying to draw here and how they stem from that you "should be dead" or "sky/fort haven't needed to defend their partner" maybe this is some silver bullet argument but I literally cannot tell without a bit more work put into expressing the idea to me I'll be gone for like 40 minutes |
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 2:10:43 GMT
reminder to myself to check back on something
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 17, 2021 2:30:29 GMT
Honestly , at this point I would rather a fortcolors vote than Gary. He might be pushing the counterwagon every time to protect scum!Gary as I am thinking or he might doing it to keep Gary vs Me and the dwindling group of people against Gary fight going on probably if gary is scum at least one of fort or sky are partnered with him because I don't find the gary-kliff scumteam very appealing if I were to eliminate the possibility of a gary-sky team I would be very on board with this what do you think about a gary-sky team? I was very uneasy about it as mentioned several times yesterday. I felt it was a desperate "lets vote this and hope it flips". Ultimately its not the end of the world, but it could've been rough as he could've flipped jk and to me we blindsided him for no apparent reason. I did mention you/verti as a potential team as you appeared to me to completely trying to shift plur off of us. However, that tl on me has now suddenly dissolved, and you pressure me, with practically no comment on verti since daystart which is rather interesting and I have suspicions the shift to sfl could've been scum motivated by you and verti. I do not see you being scum with fort, sky, or kliff, amd as this idea has risen, kliff and sky are my strongest trs and I really can't see them as scum with anyone if I'm scum with exactly vert and not you why do I orchestrate the shift madness onto chaos then cyan in a way that might just draw votes off of your wagon when your flip is pretty much secured? is the argument that I would try to get you hanged on d4 by preserving you on d3 as scum to maximize townkills? that sounds like a really far-fetched play to make as maf though and one that I know I personally would not make although admittedly that is just me saying that - that play sounds highly unnecessary To keep the fight of Gary vs Others going on , as I said before. Keeping a TvT fight in full swing is beneficial to scum and it is not a bad strategy for scum!quojova or scum!Fortcolors to keep switching the lynch to counterwagons so that we can continue to fight over GaryVoted:Votee
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Gary the savage* (3):Chaostrodon,Wallape,Cyan Talon
Cyan talon (1):Kliff
Vertigo (3):Fortcolors,skyfigureroa,Gary the savage
Chaostrodon (1):articunight
Not voting:Vertigo,quojova
Deadline is 3 hours from writing of this post
If deadline was now Gary the savage would be hammered
LMK if i missed anything it occurs to me that articu is not a super compelling partner to gary from how he just went on chaos unless the team is exactly articu+gary+vert which I highly doubt which would make a team involving gary likely to be exactly gary + fort + sky which seems to indicate a smaller likelihood of gary being scum but I need to actually see if that exact scumteam is actually something I can buy How tf is he not a super compelling partner from that? This is a very classic mafia move wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Chainsaw_Defense&redirect=no I too doubt the team of articu + gary + vert Simply because I doubt this team survived this long , and articu + vert def did not have the necessary influence to shift people off Gary 3 frickin times. **Vote fortcolors** I think this is the ideal vote for today |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 17, 2021 2:30:50 GMT
vote fortcolors
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 17, 2021 2:32:30 GMT
If this flip town , we must look critically at quojova , not allowing ourselves to be swayed by his ability to put together tons of seemingly well meaning wallposts
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 3:05:19 GMT
probably if gary is scum at least one of fort or sky are partnered with him because I don't find the gary-kliff scumteam very appealing if I were to eliminate the possibility of a gary-sky team I would be very on board with this what do you think about a gary-sky team? I think sky is town. why's thatif I'm scum with exactly vert and not you why do I orchestrate the shift madness onto chaos then cyan in a way that might just draw votes off of your wagon when your flip is pretty much secured? is the argument that I would try to get you hanged on d4 by preserving you on d3 as scum to maximize townkills? that sounds like a really far-fetched play to make as maf though and one that I know I personally would not make although admittedly that is just me saying that - that play sounds highly unnecessary To keep the fight of Gary vs Others going on , as I said before. Keeping a TvT fight in full swing is beneficial to scum and it is not a bad strategy for scum!quojova or scum!Fortcolors to keep switching the lynch to counterwagons so that we can continue to fight over Gary I guess it's at least possible
just doesn't feel super realistic to me that I would go for a wild play to preserve that when the safe option is right in front of me and would probably win me the game 95% of the timeit occurs to me that articu is not a super compelling partner to gary from how he just went on chaos unless the team is exactly articu+gary+vert which I highly doubt which would make a team involving gary likely to be exactly gary + fort + sky which seems to indicate a smaller likelihood of gary being scum but I need to actually see if that exact scumteam is actually something I can buy How tf is he not a super compelling partner from that? This is a very classic mafia move wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Chainsaw_Defense&redirect=no I too doubt the team of articu + gary + vert Simply because I doubt this team survived this long , and articu + vert def did not have the necessary influence to shift people off Gary 3 frickin times. **Vote fortcolors** I think this is the ideal vote for today
the point I was making there is that articu's vote on you was very obviously not going to do anything wagon-wise and if he were partnered with gary he would feel a very high amount of pressure to get on the vert wagon and possibly save his partner's life rather than indulge in this vanity wagon.
coincidentally though this is the thing I wanted to remind myself to check when I came back
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 3:15:10 GMT
specifically the thing I wanted to check was how much of the timing of the d3 votes and just potential articu inactivity/lack of focus takes away from that distance between gary and him
in terms of timing articu's vote occurs right before the votecount
so I would not expect that to be the direction taken by a gary partner functioning normally at all
the lingering question then is how much awareness articu even had that vert was the pretty much the only viable gary cw at that point
I think it's enough to add some distance but probably not enough for me to actually remove the possibility of a gary/articu team
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 3:18:15 GMT
I'm having minor doubts about a fort/gary scumteam
I probably won't ever be able to completely eliminate it from always seeming plausible but it's enough doubt to make me wonder if this is what I want to bank on
unvote fort
vote sky
he's in the most scumteams
he's the clearest gary partner
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 3:19:22 GMT
I think gary/fort/sky is still viable ftr
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 3:20:01 GMT
but like gary/sky/articu is also viable
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Post by quojova on Jun 17, 2021 3:25:14 GMT
gary/fort/sky/articu
vert/chaos/articu
chaos/sky/articu/kliff
this is kinda too many teams to be meaningful but this is what I'm working with rn
articu is somehow in all of them but I think the gary/fort/sky team is the team I really want to hit in
I have not considered vert teams enough today tbh
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