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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 7, 2021 16:39:03 GMT
Moving on from this person for concluding that wallape and ddlc are town
Unvote quojova , vote Gary the Savage[\b]
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 18:14:39 GMT
yo I'm here so the party is here, reading through the first four pages I have concluded the discussion in 6 words.
Votemeta is dumb. Ddlc is dumb.
Vote: Wallape
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Post by articunight on Jun 7, 2021 18:56:49 GMT
I am very late, since i kinda forgot this was going on wape ddlc and dunno quojova seem active tring cyan vaguely couple of badly users who aren't talking, sure would love to see them chaostrodon is kinda weird, the gary vote being a vanity would be funny gary you can't just call ddlc dumb and then vote wape  vote: gary the savage |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 19:10:21 GMT
I said dumb, not scum.
He's just bad at formatting zz
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:16:44 GMT
i have now woken up after a long night of league. I had a couple posts selected to reply to the early day stuff from ddlc etc but we seem to have moved on so i'll just put out a summary instead: - kliff is clearly hard meming in omgus to the ddlc vote
- ddlc seems to have memed even harder in retrospect, though my first impression was that he took it too seriously. Schoedinger's meme: say something serious and if the crowd doesn't think it was good then it's just a meme bro.
- the kliff/vertigo thing I.... what? I don't see it at all. Maybe I'm just rusty but I don't think so, I just don't see it.
- wallape seems to have done his best to analyze the memery, but I'm not sure about his conclusion. He's heavily criticized ddlc while putting an FoS on kiff for an unrelated post.
now unlike you, i'm not as reserved. Unvote: wallape Vote: ddlcfan69 needless to say ddlc's tone in this post feels passive aggressive to me The fact that im being toneread for being "agressive" by cyan without any justification as to why thats scum indicative is appalling. I do believe that being agressive alone isnt enough to sr someone and in fact does the fact that im actively pushing and being agressive instead of making bullshit tone reads make me more town, for i am clearly trying to involve as many ppl as possible in the game something only a certified vanilla townie would do. I need to point out that activity does NOT necessarily mean towniness. I have fallen for that before, and I've been the most active player in the game as scum before. That's a fallacy that town should not fall into this game. why did you switch wagons btw assuming this was directed towards me? Decided to swap off SC23 since afaik he's est and likely asleep, meaning im not getting a reaction from him (only thought of this after voting him so /shrug). atp the people who had talked were u,fort and ddlc. never played fort so idk how he'd respond to a vote, same w you, leaving only ddlc to be rvsd. Why can't you rvs someone who you'd have no idea how they would respond to a vote? Do you need to know someone's pmeta perfectly in order to rvs them? don't really see it tbh it's just extremely null for me Moving on from this person for concluding that wallape and ddlc are town Unvote quojova , vote Gary the Savage[\b] I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which,
Good thing I can vote fortcolors nice omgus obvious scum here lets slaughter him. To avoid that, I expect a 600-word essay analyzing these 5 pages by the end of today.
yo I'm here so the party is here, reading through the first four pages I have concluded the discussion in 6 words. Votemeta is dumb. Ddlc is dumb. Vote: Wallape i don't follow. would you care to explain why votemeta is dumb and how that leads to a wallape vote? |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:19:56 GMT
the first few lines regarding vertigo come off as a shitpost (though i have 0 idea about the context involved). Don't think they're worth reading into much. to me, the last line (in red) comes off as "you lynching me is a mistake, but its ok i'll forgive you, just don't ever think of voting me ever again" The context for the first part is that if kliff is coaching scum partner then i do believe its Vertigo and is why I am and will continue to actively push for vertigo to react to things. I do believe theres one scum hiding from interactions because they are afraid and i also know that Vertigo does indeed know that the game has started so... Also Kliff did make a mistake poor guy this looks awfully like an attempt at angleshooting to assume there's 1 noob scum. Let's not force that assumption into being, thanks. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 7, 2021 19:23:57 GMT
how am i supposed to know which posts fort has read without the likes?  ? this is tragic |
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Post by quojova on Jun 7, 2021 19:24:24 GMT
will be back to play later but rn I'm getting lunch
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:24:39 GMT
quojova - townlean
cyan talon - townlean
both of them seem genuine in their discourse and analysis, and have been making (what I see as) good points while not being bullheaded about their opinions
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 19:25:28 GMT
@fortcolors the wallape vote and me saying votemeta is dumb are not correlated.
Saying "they voted third, they're scum" is, as its really just rvs but you're trying to make an unnecessary explanation for the vote.
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Vertigo
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 19:26:53 GMT
GM everybody, just hopped here because I have exams so I'll answer to everything I have read as of now. First thing I want to point out, of course is : 3rd vote clause
3rd vote clause suggests that this is scum
Vote: ddlcfan69
1st Vote is inconclusive
2nd Vote is more inclined to be a town
3rd Vote is more inclined to be Scum
4th Vote is more inclined to be a town / solo 3rd party
5th Vote and more is inconclusive
Thats a mighty fine way to omgus but the game just started...
Time to paint a picture here. I am picturing someone who was coaching there noob scum partner on how to play forums (Vertigo kekeke) cuz clearly kliff is a master scum teacher and would want his partners to be competent. Then he says oh no how dare this man catch me online lemme make up some bs rq that can be used later as a justification for why he voted for ddlc the town leader. Poor guy dont you know that the third vote is only scum when the pl has an even number and the pl list has 3 or less forum noobs on it? Oh it was just an rvs aight ic old sport i forgive you just dont let it happen again and also next time remember that you can only coach your partners when ddlc is asleep
ddlc had to choose me out of all the new players, yet did not gave reasoning for it. The way nobody raised this point and just went through is interesting, but we can discuss it later now that I'm here. the first few lines regarding vertigo come off as a shitpost (though i have 0 idea about the context involved). Don't think they're worth reading into much. to me, the last line (in red) comes off as "you lynching me is a mistake, but its ok i'll forgive you, just don't ever think of voting me ever again" I disagree with this, these lines are actually worth reading into, maybe ddlc has some explanations to give about why me over other newbies, I'd be glad to listen to them. But well i do think its time for sleep and i surely hope that more ppl talk so i can make even more posts tmrw gn frens  (Also if Vertigo doent push me hard for no reason while im asleep hes scum thats just how it goes) Interesting post, though I'm sure we'd like to hear more than "thats just how it goes", looking forward to it But well i do think its time for sleep and i surely hope that more ppl talk so i can make even more posts tmrw gn frens (Also if Vertigo doent push me hard for no reason while im asleep hes scum thats just how it goes)
(also yes i condensed the post above for the sake of not making your eyes do parkour) This is the more disappointing post in my eyes. I actually expect more from a mafia room staff that have prior experience than just putting unnecessary attention over me and ddlc, not saying that it's not needed, but using it as a way to guide the discussion over this, and basically avoiding other interactions is not what i would expect from the cyan i know. Why would i actively push my own partner and not let them hide from conflict? think cyan think straw man argument. interactions =/= pushing, buddy. just look at your own post and tell me that you can reasonably interpret that as you pushing at vertigo if you want to take this discussion a step further i can talk about how some mafia players will converse with their partners artificially to collectively come across as town and how i've done the same before This one further emphasizes my thoughts about the previous post quoted. These lines were the first thing I wanted to talk about, I need a bit more time to give my thoughts about the other posts / interactions, but I'll post it very soon. But in the meanwhile vote Cyan Talon |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:29:28 GMT
@fortcolors the wallape vote and me saying votemeta is dumb are not correlated. Saying "they voted third, they're scum" is, as its really just rvs but you're trying to make an unnecessary explanation for the vote. understandable. does that mean your wallape vote is rvs then? I feel like most of us are past that. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:29:54 GMT
how am i supposed to know which posts fort has read without the likes? ? this is tragic wdym tragic ; ) |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 19:34:25 GMT
It is dripping in sarcasm, which is why I'm not pushing ddlc as hard as I would if it wasn't. I still do find it weird that he goes out of his way to respond to every little rvs vote thats put on him. That's something I used to do as scum to seem non chalant about votes on me. He still is an sl in my books, but id like to see some actual content before pushing him hard now unlike you, i'm not as reserved. Unvote: wallapeVote: ddlcfan69needless to say ddlc's tone in this post feels passive aggressive to me Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of. |
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Post by PenguinD on Jun 7, 2021 19:37:17 GMT
I’m alive!!! Was struggling to find the post (because im lazy) but we here! Wrong game :eyes: anyways from my reading ddlc is scum. the aggressive tone screams that to me. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 19:37:35 GMT
@fortcolors the wallape vote and me saying votemeta is dumb are not correlated. Saying "they voted third, they're scum" is, as its really just rvs but you're trying to make an unnecessary explanation for the vote. understandable. does that mean your wallape vote is rvs then? I feel like most of us are past that. Why do you ask? If I say its rvs that ruins the purpose, and if I don't I'm pressured for that. However I've dropped a subtle hint already. Mafia: You're damned if you do amd you're damned if you don't |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:37:48 GMT
GM everybody, just hopped here because I have exams so I'll answer to everything I have read as of now. First thing I want to point out, of course is : ddlc had to choose me out of all the new players, yet did not gave reasoning for it. The way nobody raised this point and just went through is interesting, but we can discuss it later now that I'm here. the first few lines regarding vertigo come off as a shitpost (though i have 0 idea about the context involved). Don't think they're worth reading into much. to me, the last line (in red) comes off as "you lynching me is a mistake, but its ok i'll forgive you, just don't ever think of voting me ever again" I disagree with this, these lines are actually worth reading into, maybe ddlc has some explanations to give about why me over other newbies, I'd be glad to listen to them. But well i do think its time for sleep and i surely hope that more ppl talk so i can make even more posts tmrw gn frens (Also if Vertigo doent push me hard for no reason while im asleep hes scum thats just how it goes) Interesting post, though I'm sure we'd like to hear more than "thats just how it goes", looking forward to it this last line makes me think ddlc wants vertigo to interact with him as soon as possible. potential ddlc+verti lich team?
(also yes i condensed the post above for the sake of not making your eyes do parkour) This is the more disappointing post in my eyes. I actually expect more from a mafia room staff that have prior experience than just putting unnecessary attention over me and ddlc, not saying that it's not needed, but using it as a way to guide the discussion over this, and basically avoiding other interactions is not what i would expect from the cyan i know. straw man argument. interactions =/= pushing, buddy. just look at your own post and tell me that you can reasonably interpret that as you pushing at vertigo if you want to take this discussion a step further i can talk about how some mafia players will converse with their partners artificially to collectively come across as town and how i've done the same before This one further emphasizes my thoughts about the previous post quoted. These lines were the first thing I wanted to talk about, I need a bit more time to give my thoughts about the other posts / interactions, but I'll post it very soon. But in the meanwhile vote Cyan Talonmy takeaway from this is that vertigo is avoiding pushing ddlc because of and found cyan as a convenient alternate target just so he could do something
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Post by PenguinD on Jun 7, 2021 19:38:14 GMT
unvote fortcolors, Vote ddlcfan69
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:44:34 GMT
my takeaway from this is that vertigo is avoiding pushing ddlc because of and found cyan as a convenient alternate target just so he could do something to clarify, I think that post is in favor of ddlc+vertigo, but is so light that it's mostly just inconclusive. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 7, 2021 19:45:45 GMT
this last line makes me think ddlc wants vertigo to interact with him as soon as possible. potential ddlc+verti lich team?
(also yes i condensed the post above for the sake of not making your eyes do parkour) This is the more disappointing post in my eyes. I actually expect more from a mafia room staff that have prior experience than just putting unnecessary attention over me and ddlc, not saying that it's not needed, but using it as a way to guide the discussion over this, and basically avoiding other interactions is not what i would expect from the cyan i know. What interactions did he avoid? and can you rephrase this maybe I'm not getting it |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 19:46:18 GMT
GM everybody, just hopped here because I have exams so I'll answer to everything I have read as of now. First thing I want to point out, of course is : ddlc had to choose me out of all the new players, yet did not gave reasoning for it. The way nobody raised this point and just went through is interesting, but we can discuss it later now that I'm here. I disagree with this, these lines are actually worth reading into, maybe ddlc has some explanations to give about why me over other newbies, I'd be glad to listen to them. Interesting post, though I'm sure we'd like to hear more than "thats just how it goes", looking forward to it This is the more disappointing post in my eyes. I actually expect more from a mafia room staff that have prior experience than just putting unnecessary attention over me and ddlc, not saying that it's not needed, but using it as a way to guide the discussion over this, and basically avoiding other interactions is not what i would expect from the cyan i know. This one further emphasizes my thoughts about the previous post quoted. These lines were the first thing I wanted to talk about, I need a bit more time to give my thoughts about the other posts / interactions, but I'll post it very soon. But in the meanwhile vote Cyan Talonmy takeaway from this is that vertigo is avoiding pushing ddlc because of and found cyan as a convenient alternate target just so he could do something
valid point, though i'm sure you know that the outcome would have been the same if i did actually push ddlc as it would just deserves both ddlc and cyan, i'm just pointing out the flawed reasoning from cyan and showing alternatives. Vote is subject to change of course depending on both ddlc's and cyan's answers to this post |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 19:48:15 GMT
The context for the first part is that if kliff is coaching scum partner then i do believe its Vertigo and is why I am and will continue to actively push for vertigo to react to things. I do believe theres one scum hiding from interactions because they are afraid and i also know that Vertigo does indeed know that the game has started so... Also Kliff did make a mistake poor guy this looks awfully like an attempt at angleshooting to assume there's 1 noob scum. Let's not force that assumption into being, thanks. we can actually push this a little more and ask ddlc who (the scum in their opinion) and why (are they afraid or why they should) |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:49:18 GMT
understandable. does that mean your wallape vote is rvs then? I feel like most of us are past that. Why do you ask? If I say its rvs that ruins the purpose, and if I don't I'm pressured for that. However I've dropped a subtle hint already. Mafia: You're damned if you do amd you're damned if you don't
I was going to say "I asked because I feel like most of us are past that", but I thought about it some more and decided that no, we're not.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 19:52:54 GMT
this looks awfully like an attempt at angleshooting to assume there's 1 noob scum. Let's not force that assumption into being, thanks. we can actually push this a little more and ask ddlc who (the scum in their opinion) and why (are they afraid or why they should) I was just saying "don't fall for the trap of assuming there's exactly 1 noob scum and make opinions based on that assumption." Like, I agree that I want to hear ddlc's scumreads but that doesn't come from my warning to avoid an assumption.
i have no idea what this is trying to say ngl.
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Vertigo
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 19:53:42 GMT
This is the more disappointing post in my eyes. I actually expect more from a mafia room staff that have prior experience than just putting unnecessary attention over me and ddlc, not saying that it's not needed, but using it as a way to guide the discussion over this, and basically avoiding other interactions is not what i would expect from the cyan i know. What interactions did he avoid? and can you rephrase this maybe I'm not getting it To clarify : cyan did not mind looking at other possibilities and his first (and currently only) assumption is that the ddlc tone suggests ddlc+me while not minding looking at other options, and further guiding town discussion over this. The town cyan i know would not be this stubborn and would look at other meaning over these posts, but he did not |
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