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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 19, 2021 5:27:18 GMT
It is tough and I'm not expecting it to be incredibly precise but all I really know from your post is that you think his posts are "genuine and town" which is not really going to convince anyone who didn't already agree with you and I think a bit more effort is warranted I'm not trying to get you to disregard feel based reads but I'm calling it exactly as I see it: I have never seen you bank on a tone read nearly as hard as you are now I cannot really justify why sky in this exact position is the sole exception to that I do not really get where the last phrase is coming from Huh? My tr on ddlc was also based on tone |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 19, 2021 5:31:08 GMT
i know tonereads would normally be immediately discarded, but i would like to bring attention to the comparison in chaos pushing someone while they were attempting to vote out gary, and current day enthusiasm for sring sky/fort. I haven't properly looked over the day yet but this is quite a striking difference that i felt would normally be noticed more  Why , Thank you so much for noticing !!!! If you had noticed it a bit more carefully you would realize its because Im significantly more annoyed now than then |
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 6:16:09 GMT
I tried to sleep and then I failed It is tough and I'm not expecting it to be incredibly precise but all I really know from your post is that you think his posts are "genuine and town" which is not really going to convince anyone who didn't already agree with you and I think a bit more effort is warranted I'm not trying to get you to disregard feel based reads but I'm calling it exactly as I see it: I have never seen you bank on a tone read nearly as hard as you are now I cannot really justify why sky in this exact position is the sole exception to that I do not really get where the last phrase is coming from Huh? My tr on ddlc was also based on tone emphasis on "I have never seen you bank on a tone read nearly as hard as you are now" it's a difference in scale the ddlc toneread is a harmless line that just sets the groundwork for more content to be generated in contrast you are essentially betting the game on your sky toneread being correct and I am having a very hard time justifying why this is the case especially given your previous track record somewhat unrelated but in general I’m trying to weigh the towncred from pushing gary which is admittedly pretty strong and this d5 which I do not understand and I’m not entirely sure how to do it yet |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 19, 2021 6:23:53 GMT
Bc there are other slots.
There is fort , there is kliff , there is articunight
Sky is pretty low down that ladder for me
I could turn the same question back on you,
Why are you essentially betting the game on your tr of fort , kliff or art being right
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 19, 2021 6:25:51 GMT
if i were scum!quo/me/sky and i had saved gary's life at the expense of 2 townies in row, only to have both nightkills fail, what do i do?
bus gary to clear my name of saving my partner
vote: quojova
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 19, 2021 6:26:08 GMT
yes im a lurker now the irony is not lost on me
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 19, 2021 6:28:34 GMT
the answer for the partner amongst me/quo/sky is not to keep trying to protect gary. With two tunnellers on him, that's a doomed cause almost certain to give yourself away. Instead, you slowly lean away from townreading your scumpartner and use sheer activity to naturally transition to heading a gary lynch.
sound familiar?
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Post by wallape on Jun 19, 2021 6:29:29 GMT
Thats extremely bold
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 19, 2021 6:30:14 GMT
"naturally" in quotes there
that's what i would've done if i were partnered with gary and lead 2 mislynches in a row. that's literally what quojova did, and i think of him as a very competent player.
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 6:33:16 GMT
Bc there are other slots. There is fort , there is kliff , there is articunight Sky is pretty low down that ladder for me I could turn the same question back on you, Why are you essentially betting the game on your tr of fort , kliff or art being right My question is essentially about why you are so okay with putting sky so low on the ladder for that toneread tonereads are super unreliable and I still cannot see why you do not think anything that sky has done is not easily fakeable fwiw I am not betting the game I have made it clear that those are all possibilities that I think are less probable due to specific evidence but still have reasonable equity that should be considered except not articu because that is pretty certain to me |
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 6:35:06 GMT
if i were scum!quo/me/sky and i had saved gary's life at the expense of 2 townies in row, only to have both nightkills fail, what do i do? bus gary to clear my name of saving my partner vote: quojovais this a reaction fish if im scum I have like an entire posse of people who are on board with tring gary with me I'd take my win in the shortest number of nights possible for security |
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 6:37:38 GMT
the answer for the partner amongst me/quo/sky is not to keep trying to protect gary. With two tunnellers on him, that's a doomed cause almost certain to give yourself away. Instead, you slowly lean away from townreading your scumpartner and use sheer activity to naturally transition to heading a gary lynch. sound familiar? to what I have used sheer activity in every game I have ever played admittedly sometimes to my faction's own detriment |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 19, 2021 6:37:50 GMT
if i were scum!quo/me/sky and i had saved gary's life at the expense of 2 townies in row, only to have both nightkills fail, what do i do? bus gary to clear my name of saving my partner vote: quojovais this a reaction fish if im scum I have like an entire posse of people who are on board with tring gary with me I'd take my win in the shortest number of nights possible for security no, it's unironically what i'd do as scum!fort This is a motivation read, made by me in very similar shoes to yours and consider what i would do as scum who knew gary was scum.
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Post by wallape on Jun 19, 2021 6:38:27 GMT
Doubt scum!fort votes the only alive person semi-tr'ing him as well as the person who's been townleading so far hmm
Gary's vote on fort is throwing me off hard here ngl. Might consider nai but at the same time does gary dare to put his scum partner who is arguably in a more secure position in a situation someone can randomly shift and kill him
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Post by wallape on Jun 19, 2021 6:42:04 GMT
if i were scum!quo/me/sky and i had saved gary's life at the expense of 2 townies in row, only to have both nightkills fail, what do i do? bus gary to clear my name of saving my partner vote: quojovaI have one question: why do you think that this is not town!Quo who finally decided gary was scum? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 6:50:27 GMT
is this a reaction fish if im scum I have like an entire posse of people who are on board with tring gary with me I'd take my win in the shortest number of nights possible for security no, it's unironically what i'd do as scum!fort This is a motivation read, made by me in very similar shoes to yours and consider what i would do as scum who knew gary was scum.
this is entirely a self-pmeta counter-argument I am going to make in response to a self-pmeta accusation -as scum I am very very unlikely to hard bus a teammate I believe I can save -I go for the shortest wins possible when clearly available -I tend to keep play simple as scum is there anything that even makes you think this is particularly likely beyond it being vaguely possible |
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 6:56:23 GMT
one thing about chaos pushing fort to me is that I will probably never buy it on a partner basis (gary flashbacks ik)
because I think fort-kliff are incompatible
and wallape and articu are very strongly town from yesterday and I am not going to buy any push on them without very very strong evidence
so the only compelling partner I see is sky
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 19, 2021 7:10:21 GMT
How so?
Just cause they voted with you?
You accuse my tone based reads of being hasty.
Your reads of vote with me - town , not vote with me - scum is even more simplistic
And why even are kliff and fort incompatible
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Post by quojova on Jun 19, 2021 7:15:32 GMT
kliff and fort are not partnered both from the EoD wagon and because if kliff and fort are partnered at yesterday's EoD they have the numbers to flip the vote off of gary due to this open to debate but it is reasonably sound yes they voted with me on a 3-man wagon that actually flipped a scum while the other players in the game were absolutely scrambling to find another vote that is very compelling and they should not be added into the poe without very good evidence its that simple |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 19, 2021 7:42:17 GMT
Have you considered the possibility that they werent scrambling simply because they werent there
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Post by wallape on Jun 19, 2021 10:37:11 GMT
Doubt scum!fort votes the only alive person semi-tr'ing him as well as the person who's been townleading so far hmm Gary's vote on fort is throwing me off hard here ngl. Might consider nai but at the same time does gary dare to put his scum partner who is arguably in a more secure position in a situation someone can randomly shift and kill him Been thinking it over and I think the only y reason scum!fort does this is likely bc their partner is being pushed by quo and partner flipping means he insta loses... so I think sky is the only viable partner I see for fort in this situation unless I'm missing something. Sky + chaos also makes sense here so I think a sky vote is OK info wise.. if sky flips town scum team for me is just chaos/kliff and if sky flips scum then we can go fort into chaos and win. |
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Post by wallape on Jun 19, 2021 10:43:49 GMT
Im heavily basing this on arti and quo being town here so if they're not im fucked
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Post by wallape on Jun 19, 2021 11:19:08 GMT
Actually idk why kliff can't be sky partner so that screws my game solve pensive
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 19, 2021 11:23:00 GMT
yeaaa uhhh fort's read on quo makes no sense. wifomy as hell and not to mention the fact that quo could have just kept saving gary as partners since there were 3 of us and he could just shift the blame any time he wants
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 19, 2021 11:25:46 GMT
that makes him look a lot scummier imo
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