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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 3:07:18 GMT
Ugh this is throwing me off badly , I thought kliff is the last scum and wallape is the doc.
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 3:10:14 GMT
Would be nice if potato town didnt hang the fricking JK yesterday. We could do with an extra lynch badly
And of course , quo still wont realise what a hot pile of garbage his reads are, and conclude that me and fort are the team.
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2021 3:21:26 GMT
chaos it makes no sense to me from a town!you perspective that you are so much more interested in trying to anticipate my reads (like what??) and criticizing me than actually trying to change my goddamn mind
can you work with me on the basis of cooperation for just a few seconds
like I never claimed to have all the correct answers and my mind can always change
but I'm going to defend the things I think if they are not meaningfully challenged because that is literally my civic duty
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 22, 2021 3:34:39 GMT
fort/quo/chaos/wallape/artic is the 5 people left.
btw chaos xd. Who are you gonna claim is the scumteam here? Or the townteam, same thing.
i'm looking at chaos/quo as a possible scumteam here. arti's eod yesterday felt town to me, even though he ended up hammering the jk. I don't think scum has so much hesitation unless the cw is scum, which i know im not
Chaos is bigly questioning quo's reads as garbage while trying to insinuate that quo is town despite them. He's doing his best to portray quo as badtown instead of just scum, and that is a big red flag from me.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 22, 2021 3:37:50 GMT
chaos it makes no sense to me from a town!you perspective that you are so much more interested in trying to anticipate my reads (like what??) and criticizing me than actually trying to change my goddamn mind can you work with me on the basis of cooperation for just a few seconds like I never claimed to have all the correct answers and my mind can always change but I'm going to defend the things I think if they are not meaningfully challenged because that is literally my civic duty the question is, how does that make sense from a scum!chaos pov either, unless your interaction is SvS |
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2021 3:46:20 GMT
chaos it makes no sense to me from a town!you perspective that you are so much more interested in trying to anticipate my reads (like what??) and criticizing me than actually trying to change my goddamn mind can you work with me on the basis of cooperation for just a few seconds like I never claimed to have all the correct answers and my mind can always change but I'm going to defend the things I think if they are not meaningfully challenged because that is literally my civic duty the question is, how does that make sense from a scum!chaos pov either, unless your interaction is SvS what chaos is doing could be a lot of things he could be genuinely too frustrated at me as town to do anything else but talk about how frustrated he is he could be trying to preemptively defend himself from a possible push from me by bringing it up in advance he could be anticipating that semi-obvious train of thought as scum and trying to falsely associate himself with you and many more these all seem at least distantly possible to me but I have no idea which is true yet |
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2021 3:47:47 GMT
are we to believe articu is the doctor
or have one of yall not claimed yet
I don't really see an advantage to delaying it but up to the doctor i guess
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 4:12:17 GMT
chaos it makes no sense to me from a town!you perspective that you are so much more interested in trying to anticipate my reads (like what??) and criticizing me than actually trying to change my goddamn mind can you work with me on the basis of cooperation for just a few seconds like I never claimed to have all the correct answers and my mind can always change but I'm going to defend the things I think if they are not meaningfully challenged because that is literally my civic duty I did try to work with you yesterday I pointed out how your fort - gary not being in a team read made no sense and you were just fitting stuff into your cognitive bias
I told you that townreading all the people on Gary was way too hasty and simplistic
Did you take my ideas into consideration and try to look into your reads? No you used them to conclude that me and sky must be in a team and made your dumb read on sky stronger with that info.
How the fuck am I supposed to cooperate with one like you |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 4:23:42 GMT
Well , anyway.
Fort is most definitely scum, as for the partner.
It must be wallape despite how improbable the idea is.
I thought it must be improbable given that it would mean Gary would have not survived 3 days with his scumpartner bussing him.
Also because wallape produced a townread on articunight , which I wouldnt expect from a scum member at that point.
Which is why I concluded arti/kliff would be scum and wallape would be the doc.
That being said there are some suspicious things about wallape which I sort of ignored after furthur developments
1 - Gary voting wallape out of the blue , which was the reason I didnt drop the idea that wallape-Gary might be in a team inspite of all the pushing
2 - Wallape shifted of Gary at a crucial time , D2 - I believe
3 - As kliff pointed out , wallape's tr on sky evaporated yesterday. I thought this must be because wallape was dumb and sheeping quo mindlessly . It might also be because wallape was smart and taking advantage of quo being a potato.
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 4:25:10 GMT
Its incredible how we went from being in such a strong position yesterday to this.
And of course Fort is being much more active now because he now actually has a chance
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 4:42:40 GMT
I did have a game solve if sky got voted out yesterday which was why I was fine with voting sky. Did people not read that post from me
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 4:45:15 GMT
Oh really?
Pray , wallape. Solve the game for us
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 4:52:33 GMT
Doubt scum!fort votes the only alive person semi-tr'ing him as well as the person who's been townleading so far hmm Gary's vote on fort is throwing me off hard here ngl. Might consider nai but at the same time does gary dare to put his scum partner who is arguably in a more secure position in a situation someone can randomly shift and kill him Been thinking it over and I think the only y reason scum!fort does this is likely bc their partner is being pushed by quo and partner flipping means he insta loses... so I think sky is the only viable partner I see for fort in this situation unless I'm missing something. Sky + chaos also makes sense here so I think a sky vote is OK info wise.. if sky flips town scum team for me is just chaos/kliff and if sky flips scum then we can go fort into chaos and win. Wdym oh rly I literally posted this yesterday |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 4:56:21 GMT
How brilliant!
Just a small hitch in your EBIC gamesolve tho. Now that kliff has flipped town , your scumteam is just me
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 4:58:33 GMT
Im wondering if quo+fort is a valid team here. That would make sense as to why fort pushed quo yesterday when he was being voted out. It would be to spew quo as town I suppose.
Also explains quo's defense on fort yesterday as well. I was thinking fort/arti but ig arti is doc since no one else has claimed. Chaos probably has no team in this pl (other than me, and I'm town). Quo could be chaos partner but does chaos get genuinely this mad at quo as scum partners? Don't think so. I think poe points to quo/fort
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 22, 2021 4:59:25 GMT
Its incredible how we went from being in such a strong position yesterday to this. And of course Fort is being much more active now because he now actually has a chance huh?
at the point i stopped being active we had just lynched 3 townies in a row. if i'm giving up because i dont think we dont have a chance then that means i'm town lmao
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 5:00:43 GMT
That being said , that post does make me rethink you being scum , coz you wouldnt want to kill kliff after writing that. Unless your scumpartner is calling the shots and he decided that kliff has to be the doc
The only other option thats left here is quo being scum, which I think is pretty unlikely.
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 5:04:51 GMT
Its incredible how we went from being in such a strong position yesterday to this. And of course Fort is being much more active now because he now actually has a chance huh?
at the point i stopped being active we had just lynched 3 townies in a row. if i'm giving up because i dont think we dont have a chance then that means i'm town lmao
Fairly certain you understood what I was saying and are now trying to misrepresent it , unfortunately some of the potatoes here would find you convincing |
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 5:05:48 GMT
Hey man, don't diss the potatoes. They're goated vegetables.
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 6:44:38 GMT
Either way , I dont think there is any way Fort isnt scum
Vote Fortcolors
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 22, 2021 8:19:03 GMT
huh?
at the point i stopped being active we had just lynched 3 townies in a row. if i'm giving up because i dont think we dont have a chance then that means i'm town lmao
Fairly certain you understood what I was saying and are now trying to misrepresent it , unfortunately some of the potatoes here would find you convincingdid you even bother checking when I went inactive? lmao. There's a fat gap in your reasoning here and I'm gonna just point it out because potato logic is fun to poke holes in.
Before we begin, let us establish that a contrapositive is always true: whenever "if x, then y" is true, "if NOT y, then NOT x" is also true.
Your statement is that "scum!fort is active because scum actually has a chance now", which implies that scum having a chance now is why scum!fort is active.
to reword that in statement form, "IF scum actually has a chance now, THEN scum!fort is active"
the contrapositive of that is "IF scum!fort is not active, THEN scum does not actually have a chance"
the contrapositive is clearly false, because from scum perspective, lynching 3 townies in a row is excellent and scum is in a strong position, and that's when I went afk. With the contrapositive being false, the statement itself is naturally false. Also, as an aside, my love life is slightly more important than this game. Just slightly. xd
As town you would have no reason or need to be forcing bad logic like this. The more i see of chaos the more i'm certain it's scum, and im slowly starting to convince myself that chaos/quo is SvS. I know quo is a good enough player to fake interactions, and I've felt like chaos either knows something i don't or otherwise has reasoning/thinking that im just completely missing all game.
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 22, 2021 9:22:43 GMT
You are much more active today as compared to yesterday because the scumteam was in a terrible position yesterday and in an amazing position now coz we hammered the jk.
Fairly certain you understood what I was saying and are now trying to misrepresent it , unfortunately some of the potatoes here would find you convincing did you even bother checking when I went inactive? lmao. There's a fat gap in your reasoning here and I'm gonna just point it out because potato logic is fun to poke holes in.
Before we begin, let us establish that a contrapositive is always true: whenever "if x, then y" is true, "if NOT y, then NOT x" is also true.
Your statement is that "scum!fort is active because scum actually has a chance now", which implies that scum having a chance now is why scum!fort is active.
to reword that in statement form, "IF scum actually has a chance now, THEN scum!fort is active"
the contrapositive of that is "IF scum!fort is not active, THEN scum does not actually have a chance"
the contrapositive is clearly false, because from scum perspective, lynching 3 townies in a row is excellent and scum is in a strong position, and that's when I went afk. With the contrapositive being false, the statement itself is naturally false. Also, as an aside, my love life is slightly more important than this game. Just slightly. xd
As town you would have no reason or need to be forcing bad logic like this. The more i see of chaos the more i'm certain it's scum, and im slowly starting to convince myself that chaos/quo is SvS. I know quo is a good enough player to fake interactions, and I've felt like chaos either knows something i don't or otherwise has reasoning/thinking that im just completely missing all game.
I am trying to use your activity level to predict whether or not you are scum. I am not trying to use the fact of you being scum to predict your fucking activity level , that would be silly.
My statement is
(Fort becoming more active at a time when scum is in good position ) -> (Fort could be scum)
The contra positive of that statement would be
(Fort is not scum) -> (Fort wouldnt become more active when scum is in a good position)
The statement that you are actually trying to argue is:
(Fort didnt become active when scum is in a good position) -> (Fort is not scum). This is the inverse not the contrapositive
And the inverse isnt always true. Let me illustrate with an example :
Consider the statement :
(Forts toilet becomes clogged) -> (Fort took a big crap)
The inverse of this statement is:
(Forts toilets isnt clogged) -> (Fort never took a big crap).
Which is not necessarily true , you could have simply taken your crap elsewhere , like for instance , you have been crapping all over this thread
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 22, 2021 9:40:53 GMT
sigh. I'm not arguing anything based on my activity. I'm just proving that you're wrong based on that fact that I went inactive when scum was in a strong position. If your logic held, then I would've been more active after we lynched cyan.
you doubling down on potato logic instead of working on an actual argument doesn't make you look better at all lmao
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 22, 2021 9:46:31 GMT
To be clear,
Your attempt to insinuate that "fort is more active when scum is strong" is a falsehood already, and that is the point I was disproving earlier.
Because your premise is proven false, your logical steps fail and the conclusion cannot be deduced from this line of reasoning
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Post by articunight on Jun 22, 2021 11:47:39 GMT
so hi hi i think i've solved the game Claiming DocFonts are annoying, my actions were N1: fort, N2: quo, N3: sky, N4: quo
compare that to sky's stuff
we can see that scum has to have attempted a kill on a doc target on n4 and n2 following kliffs flip(the scumkill is confirmed to be compulsive), clearing quo leaving us with a scumpool of fortcolors, chaostrodon and wallape.
Quojova is immediately townconfirmed from me as might be obvious, hopefully i am as well, considering all things. Assuming all things i'm fairly confident chaos+fort shouldn't be a scumteam, which implies that every scumteam involves wallape, i'd love opinions from everyone else so i'll just drop highlights quojova chaostrodon Fort Colorcastle
sky pointing out their N1 action might've helped out tbh if they were on an alive nonquo/non me player  |
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