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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 3:33:13 GMT
That being said I lowkey sus articoo and still Kliff cuz bad but im not leaving Kliff cuz I dont want ppl to forget i sred if i get hammered Also I do wish I wasnt the most relevant topic in the game but its ok i can make my own topics  The lions would win vs the pokemon Why do u sr kliff? All you've talked about kliff is sod post which was supposed to be a meme. ScumLOCK for saying lions would win btw. |
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 3:42:56 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. This post just gives me bad vibes. Theres many things that are scum indicative that you're forgetting here, including replying to all posts that lay a vote on him. If you think they are negtown, give a valid reason as to why other than saying that "being aggressive" is nai. I think that being aggressive the way he was early day 1 is pretty bad and unwarranted. Someone already mentioned this but it might mean they're panicking. They also keep saying "what I'm doing is something only a vt would do", which is also something I dont like, just gives me bad vibes. Topping it off with a "im uncertain" after posting all that saying that ddlc is (neg)town is weird. I wouldn't be surprised by a ddlc + Gary scum team atp. |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 4:07:14 GMT
My Take on Articunight
Not a bad late entranced, I didn't like some points but it just a starter post. POST|
Vote seemed Well Chosen
Need more post from player but This slot does seem like a low poster town atm.
articunight any Follow up on the Gary Vote?
My Take on Gary The Savage
Fantastic takes: POST POST
Despite Seemly looking into a small pool of players They kinda repeatedly emphasizes that they are Uncertain. Ex. POST.
That's my take. Nothing Town convincing here
Gary The Savage Could I have your 2nd opinion on penguin. I am kinda leaning they are maf
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 4:09:36 GMT
I'm here but I'm kinda tired
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 4:13:16 GMT
Penguin
➜The Choice of words combined with a meme Omgus Vote does rub me off the wrong way: RVS vote
➜His conclusion to ddlc being scum is just random POST
Vote PenguinD |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 4:21:26 GMT
why would scum want to shift there? um, why wouldn't they? like I don't think there's any reason to shift as mafia there if you don't find your own case to be reasonably compelling what I'm wondering about is your reasoning for why the shift is bad in a scum-indicative way |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 4:26:10 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. which you answered here If it isn't clear I'm replying as I catch up  |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 4:27:21 GMT
That being said I lowkey sus articoo and still Kliff cuz bad but im not leaving Kliff cuz I dont want ppl to forget i sred if i get hammered Also I do wish I wasnt the most relevant topic in the game but its ok i can make my own topics The lions would win vs the pokemon Why do u sr kliff? All you've talked about kliff is sod post which was supposed to be a meme. ScumLOCK for saying lions would win btw. We Still on this? |
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 4:35:56 GMT
I see nothing that suggests me to change my vote off ddlc so yes
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 5:02:28 GMT
so, general takeaways: quojova and chaostrodon are town. i like the depth of the discussions they're driving forward; they seem to be putting a good amount of thought into the game and it comes off as natural vertigo gets a FoS based on his reaction to this post: Unlike you, Cyan played a lot of ps mafia on-sim with us, and is much more aware about how the interactions between ddlc and I goes. feels kinda dismissive of quojova's questions by far and away the more important vote is ddlcfan69, his actions and mindset in early d1 haven't shown signs of changing as of now
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 5:13:18 GMT
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 5:20:20 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. This post just gives me bad vibes. Theres many things that are scum indicative that you're forgetting here, including replying to all posts that lay a vote on him. If you think they are negtown, give a valid reason as to why other than saying that "being aggressive" is nai. I think that being aggressive the way he was early day 1 is pretty bad and unwarranted. Someone already mentioned this but it might mean they're panicking. They also keep saying "what I'm doing is something only a vt would do", which is also something I dont like, just gives me bad vibes. Topping it off with a "im uncertain" after posting all that saying that ddlc is (neg)town is weird. I wouldn't be surprised by a ddlc + Gary scum team atp. this shud clear stuff up for what I think |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 5:22:23 GMT
This post just gives me bad vibes. Theres many things that are scum indicative that you're forgetting here, including replying to all posts that lay a vote on him. If you think they are negtown, give a valid reason as to why other than saying that "being aggressive" is nai. I think that being aggressive the way he was early day 1 is pretty bad and unwarranted. Someone already mentioned this but it might mean they're panicking. They also keep saying "what I'm doing is something only a vt would do", which is also something I dont like, just gives me bad vibes. Topping it off with a "im uncertain" after posting all that saying that ddlc is (neg)town is weird. I wouldn't be surprised by a ddlc + Gary scum team atp. this shud clear stuff up for what I think 👍 |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 5:58:37 GMT
like I don't think there's any reason to shift as mafia there if you don't find your own case to be reasonably compelling what I'm wondering about is your reasoning for why the shift is bad in a scum-indicative way |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 9:19:26 GMT
so, general takeaways: quojova and chaostrodon are town. i like the depth of the discussions they're driving forward; they seem to be putting a good amount of thought into the game and it comes off as natural vertigo gets a FoS based on his reaction to this post: feels kinda dismissive of quojova's questions by far and away the more important vote is ddlcfan69, his actions and mindset in early d1 haven't shown signs of changing as of now
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
my argument was never about whether or not we could trust ddlc. just to restate my points: - ddlc started off this game with passive-aggressive meme filler - ddlc has repeatedly shut down discussion angles involving him with attacks on the pushers' credibility - ddlc has been showing an unnatural amount of self-image awareness with his responses to people's votes and how he tries to portray himself as townie as for partners, i've suggested the ddlc + vertigo pairing ever since like page 4 of this forum skyfigueroa since you were asking for a case on ddlc earlier you're free to use this post as reference |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 9:20:50 GMT
the first point is the least important one, but it's probably worth considering nonetheless
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Post by articunight on Jun 8, 2021 10:01:56 GMT
the first point is the least important one, but it's probably worth considering nonetheless Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23 |
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 10:19:51 GMT
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
my argument was never about whether or not we could trust ddlc. just to restate my points: - ddlc started off this game with passive-aggressive meme filler - ddlc has repeatedly shut down discussion angles involving him with attacks on the pushers' credibility - ddlc has been showing an unnatural amount of self-image awareness with his responses to people's votes and how he tries to portray himself as townie as for partners, i've suggested the ddlc + vertigo pairing ever since like page 4 of this forum skyfigueroa since you were asking for a case on ddlc earlier you're free to use this post as reference Is there a reason other than that one line that ddlc said that u think vertigo is scum partner to ddlc? Because if so I still think its a bit of a stretch |
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 10:29:40 GMT
the first point is the least important one, but it's probably worth considering nonetheless Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23 what specifically about Gary's posts make u think he's town? I think what he says fakes town.. uncertainty (?) wrt ddlc, hence why I think they're likely scum partners. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 10:46:26 GMT
ok i didnt know until today but imma be gone for the entire afternoon, gonna post some thoughts before i go - not entirely convinced with people tring ddlc yet but anyway ddlc isn't the lynch today imo. tbh the only solidly town thing i get from ddlc is that im p sure he believes there's even a little bit of leverage with regards to his kliff/vert theory. other than that idek if he's made a town read or scum read yet he's just been either defending himself or memeing - arti ur line about scum avoiding interactions with each other... smh. that was definitely the most off line i saw when skimming - vertigo feels a bit omgusy to me. - first he points out how it's interesting that ddlc chose him out of all the new players and how no one pointed that out.
- that was a SOD read and not to mention a very meme-y one. [/span]- cyan imo made a valid idea for what is an early d1 read with half the players not popping in yet. i don't know why he said cyan was avoiding other interactions unless there's anything he wants to point out, bc honestly there weren't even that many interactions to begin with - idk i feel like he's just focusing on people who have mentioned his name. he talks about cyan ignoring other interactions, but all he's doing is throwing accusations back [/ul][/quote]This first part on ddlc is basically what I've been or at least have been trying to say. Heavily agree with it |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 10:53:37 GMT
Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23 what specifically about Gary's posts make u think he's town? I think what he says fakes town.. uncertainty (?) wrt ddlc, hence why I think they're likely scum partners. fake town...? |
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 11:30:08 GMT
Fake town uncertainty. I put the town...uncertainty (?) Because I wasn't sure if that was the correct phrase I was looking for but i think it is correct
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 11:59:17 GMT
the first point is the least important one, but it's probably worth considering nonetheless Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23ok so like based on cyan's third point alone, do u think it applies to ddlc *right now* ? cuz cyan made that point with everything ddlc's done so far in the game in mind so i'm not sure what you're hoping for from ddlc's response (since there should be enough info to have an opinion on that specific point). if it does, i would think that would warrant an sr from u based on what ur saying, not just neutral to sl. but i'm guessing u said the wagon being overly stable is what's stopping u from giving the sr and thus limiting it to just a lighter read? if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not and if u think the ddlc wagon being stable hinders his chances of being scum, that means u think scum might be on him. who's the most sus in his wagon in ur opinion? the lurker lynch i don't mind, i might've gone for penguin cuz they at least show some signs of life while sc might just get subbed out by tonight, but honestly that's just preference. |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 12:22:09 GMT
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
my argument was never about whether or not we could trust ddlc. just to restate my points: - ddlc started off this game with passive-aggressive meme filler - ddlc has repeatedly shut down discussion angles involving him with attacks on the pushers' credibility - ddlc has been showing an unnatural amount of self-image awareness with his responses to people's votes and how he tries to portray himself as townie as for partners, i've suggested the ddlc + vertigo pairing ever since like page 4 of this forum skyfigueroa since you were asking for a case on ddlc earlier you're free to use this post as reference thx sfl. ultimately ddlc has been a polarizing topic which doesn't make him a bad lynch so i'm not gonna actively try to stop it. prolly gonna focus more on my current reads still doe. i already said my opinion on the 1st point not sure if i'm gonna change my mind on that. gonna read back (maybe tomorrow nalang cuz i'm a bit tired) for the 2nd point cuz that's a really really valid one but my mind is foggy if he really did it a lot. just wanna comment on the 3rd one. i honestly dont think it's wrong if any faction of the game is conscious abt their self-image in-game. both scum/pr would wanna stay townie to avoid being lynched. vts wanna be townie to poe together more effectively. scum is def most likely of the three to be most obsessive but i wouldnt put it past anyone |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 12:34:38 GMT
or tbh scum/pr have the most incentive to consciously try and be townie but i get 0 pr vibes from ddlc so it feels scummy. but idt ddlc flips scum. i'm confusing myself.
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