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Post by wallape on Jun 25, 2021 15:05:10 GMT
I think pre-lylo is the day i would buss if any because the day before pre-lylo bussing doesn't set u up in a great spot and lylo everyone watches out for a svs sitaution (or atleast I do, i've been tricked by alex 2 many times man.) Also if u use the logic that both prs were alive @ the time of buss by one of us, i'd be town as well, which makes no sense from ur pov. It's more likely that scum is the one who shifted at a point which imo is beneficial to buss at rather than from d2/d3 onwards (depending on how u count it)
I shifted back to Gary mainly because of my buss theory, which I gained a lot more confidence in after Peng flipped town. In retrospect this was wrong probably but I will take it if I nail scum even for the wrong reasons :^). There was also how he was being extremely illogical with his votes and his explanations did not seem at all like he was merely a townie gobbling up words. It was mostly for the same reasons as why i sussed gary d2, but i gained a lot more confidence in scum!Gary because I thought a lot more partner opportunities were there for gary after ppl like kliff dropped their sr on gary d3.
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Post by wallape on Jun 25, 2021 15:14:05 GMT
i know my towncase is v wifomy but hell literally 99.9% of points in forum maf look like they can be wifomed and its annoying me Wallape answer these questions for me: How would you rate yourself at mafia , on a scale of 1 to 10
How would you rate quo at mafia , on a scale of 1 to 10
What was going on in your mind when you made this post: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78658
How did you read quo at the start of d3 , would your opinion have changed on quo if he voted vertigo insteada) -1 (no memes, around 5/6) b) idk ive never played with them but by reputation i'd think they're around the higher spectrum to me c) err i think that post was because i was trying to make sense of verti vote on someone. I simply did see any motivation for scum!Vertigo to vote there. Then i remembered the points criteria for mafia being voting out town consecutively. So if they said they were playing for summer circuit points i probably wouldn't have put them in my townpool. If they were playing simply for forum maf experience, i probably would taken them out of poe. d) I have no clue idr the situations around that time well. i'd say probably not because quo was one of my biggest townread at that time so i stopped looking at them from a certain point onwards i just don't remember when exactly |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 25, 2021 15:38:47 GMT
Argh , why is c) sounding so townie
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 25, 2021 19:29:03 GMT
Where is the other person ? Do we need a sub
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Post by quojova on Jun 25, 2021 22:56:28 GMT
I had a lot going on
but I'm here now
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Post by quojova on Jun 25, 2021 23:22:53 GMT
I read chaos's iso first
weirdest thing to me is how correct about everything he is - which i guess is a compliment if he is town
the gary/fort reads can probably be real
I'm most uncertain about how he crossed off sky so easily
also not sure if this is the f3 chaos sets up given how much me and wallape have stuck together but that seems to volatile to be meaningful evidence
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Post by quojova on Jun 26, 2021 0:05:41 GMT
man I have no idea
wallape's iso is all very natural to me
I buy the gary push and like all of his posts - might quote a bunch at some point
but I'm also struggling to see the world where chaos hard busses two partners
rn I feel like if wallape is scum he played so well as scum and chaos played so precisely as town that the chaos!scum conclusion is more natural but it's so hazy
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 4:37:15 GMT
Not this again.
Yes , I as scum , voted my partners every single time while also urging people to get off the counterwagons every damn time to a point that I lose my temper.
>>weirdest thing to me is how correct about everything he is - which i guess is a compliment if he is town
Man , why is it so fucking hard for your ego to accept that you are not the only player in the game and that other people can have better reads. If you werent so damn stuck up in your own head , you would see how bs your sky read was and why fort made perfect sense
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 4:39:50 GMT
I now have a reason for why scum!quo decided to vote scum!Gary on D4.
It could be because he is some sort of deviant that takes pleasure in annoying me
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:00:02 GMT
Alright , anyway I got to go sleep in a few hours and make my choice before that , so Ill just jot down my thoughts here for whoever is the town amongst you
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 12:01:29 GMT
im here if u want to talk about smth i still don't rly have the motivation to read through 20 quo pages tho
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:18:39 GMT
First of all , there is no doubt that scum!wallape played pretty damn well. He has been able to mimic a town version of himself way better than I gave him credit for. For instance , there is the Vertigo read that I pointed out. Scum usually doesnt make posts like that , simply showing their scum-hunting process without any ulterior motives or posting what they gleamed from said process. That post was made by scum!wallape purely putting himself in towns shoes , like if scum gets an idea of "Oh , I will ask this question to show people how much Im genuinely scumhunting" , they tend to make it as obvious as possible like follow it up with explaining why they asked that question so that other people can look at it and go , Cool And there is this post : ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/79667 . Scum!wallape feigning being hurt in place of town in that position was most definitely a great move. Not many people would think of it. And there is the way in which he kept pestering me on a wallape-Gary read saying "How could you not have a concrete read on us inspite of so many interactions" . I didnt have a concrete read on the pair at that point but wallape asking that q made me lower his chances being Gary's partner , coz then it would mean that scum!wallape was really confident in the set of forged interactions between him and Gary, and you need to certain level of confidence about yourself to pull off a move like that. And of course the kliff kill , which is weird since scum!wallape would have very easily convinced Massive ego quojova and articunight that the scum team was me and kliff. Like I said before , only way I see kliff kill happening there is if his partner pushed for it. The main thing that is preventing me from concluding that wallape is scum is not the plausibility of the idea , rather the proficiency of wallape as scum. Like , did wallape really get this good as scum? |
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 12:37:26 GMT
For instance , there is the Vertigo read that I pointed out. Scum usually doesnt make posts like that , simply showing their scum-hunting process without any ulterior motives or posting what they gleamed from said process. That post was made by scum!wallape purely putting himself in towns shoes , like if scum gets an idea of "Oh , I will ask this question to show people how much Im genuinely scumhunting" , they tend to make it as obvious as possible like follow it up with explaining why they asked that question so that other people can look at it and go , Cool tbh this paragraph gave me another thing to add onto my towncase: The Vertigo NK that happened the night after I asked this question would also not make much sense from my pov because like u said, I'd want to show that I was scumhunting. So if Vertigo answered my q the next day, then as scum I could go "Oh ok, my thought process was yada yada yada" and that would make me look townier. But instead me killing Vertigo is a pretty bad play if my sole intent there was to make me look townier, especially when Vertigo was basically a scumlean for most people. |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:37:46 GMT
And now as for why scum!wallape is plausible in spite of all that. 1 - Gary's push on wallape made zero sense. He was looking at a quote from Cyan Talon and concluding wallape was scum from that. And he had some other reason like wallape was faking his reads or something which had zero substance. Wallape pushing on Gary was basically saying Gary was spouting bs which seemed natural as it was true. Scum!Gary on being the cw on day 1, deciding to spout bs about wallape and then setting the stage for them to push each other so as to spew the other as town was an idea I had for quite a while in the back of my head. 2 - Unlike quo , who had no reason to not shift off of Gary on d3 , or simply vote someone else, Wallape had a reason . He had already voted the cw to Gary on d1 , and then also shifted plur on d2. If wallape had shifted plur a second time, a competent town would have called out Gary vs Wallape for being fake af (Not this town lmao. This town is all like : ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78985) . Alternatively, wallape simply werent online EOD3 and was expecting his partner Fort to get plur off Gary as usual (quojova was online) 3 - He was quick to remove sky from his list of townreads. He was also quick to make up a reason for why fort might be town , something about him voting quo. Which was hasty af since town!quo wouldnt omgus like that and scum!Fort voting town!quo was a pretty safe move. He produced some game plan or something but on reading back it isnt as convincing since he could have also gone Fort -> (me / sky) or (me / kliff). Its essentially the same thing and is also what town!wallape who had a townread on sky would come up with |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:39:46 GMT
For instance , there is the Vertigo read that I pointed out. Scum usually doesnt make posts like that , simply showing their scum-hunting process without any ulterior motives or posting what they gleamed from said process. That post was made by scum!wallape purely putting himself in towns shoes , like if scum gets an idea of "Oh , I will ask this question to show people how much Im genuinely scumhunting" , they tend to make it as obvious as possible like follow it up with explaining why they asked that question so that other people can look at it and go , Cool tbh this paragraph gave me another thing to add onto my towncase: The Vertigo NK that happened the night after I asked this question would also not make much sense from my pov because like u said, I'd want to show that I was scumhunting. So if Vertigo answered my q the next day, then as scum I could go "Oh ok, my thought process was yada yada yada" and that would make me look townier. But instead me killing Vertigo is a pretty bad play if my sole intent there was to make me look townier, especially when Vertigo was basically a scumlean for most people.
I only read ur iso. Then take that first point back then . It isnt as convincing in that case since as you graciously pointed out yourself , you could simply be waiting for a reply before illustrating yourself as town |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:40:54 GMT
Now for quojova
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 12:43:15 GMT
Oh , Vertigo didnt answer that q?
I only read ur iso. Then take that first point back then . It isnt as convincing in that case since as you graciously pointed out yourself , you could simply be waiting for a reply before illustrating yourself as town i mean yeah that's fair but if i was waiting for vertigo to answer my q then I wouldn't have nk'd them would I? |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:53:05 GMT
There is no denying that quojova has been annoyingly negtown in this game and as such easily makes his way into my 'Scum or Dumb' Rule.
But the flow of thought process seemed so natural that I assumed he is just a man blinded by his own ego. Like I can understand his thought process on the sky lynch day as something like this:
"I think Sky is scum"
"Chaos thinks sky is town and fort is scum , but surely he cant be right when I am wrong"
"Therefore it means that Chaos and Sky are in a team together. There is no other explanation for why Chaos , a player who has been tunneling Gary for 3 days straight would say Sky is town and Fort is scum"
Like he doesnt even entertain the idea of his own fallacy.
But since I had him as town for the organic flow of thoughts even way before this (Like d1) , I could only get mad at him.
I am now slowly getting more amenable to the idea that quo might be scum after all
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 12:58:44 GMT
man I have no idea wallape's iso is all very natural to me I buy the gary push and like all of his posts - might quote a bunch at some point but I'm also struggling to see the world where chaos hard busses two partners rn I feel like if wallape is scum he played so well as scum and chaos played so precisely as town that the chaos!scum conclusion is more natural but it's so hazy I mean look at this . Even after all that has transpired , the sky lynch , the fort lynch , my anger , this is supposed to be his thought process:
"Could it be possible that Chaos was looking at the game in a way that I had missed , and ended up with correct reads when I was wrong ?"
"No , Chaos reads were correct so he must be scum. Doesnt matter that if Fort lynch had gone through on d4 it would be mathematically impossible for the solo scum to win in this theme where JK can start clearing people left and right. Nope , its more likely that chaos stupidly bussed both his partners rather than having better reads than me"
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 13:11:16 GMT
Like if you look at quo's thoughts on Fort - Gary , they look downright comical in hindsight ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/79273ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/79271ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78983ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/78883Inspite of all that , his conviction in his reads have not wavered , like not one bit. Is this even natural? Like Im beginning to think Quo is doing this just to accentuate the idea in my head of quo just being a potato and not malicious scum. I mean , how can an experienced town player miss the fact that if scum had gotten lynched on D4 , its essentially game over for the scum team since we had a JK and a doc. Like I know I said he might be a potato but I am finding it hard to digest this levels of potato |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 13:14:23 GMT
Oh , Vertigo didnt answer that q?
I only read ur iso. Then take that first point back then . It isnt as convincing in that case since as you graciously pointed out yourself , you could simply be waiting for a reply before illustrating yourself as town i mean yeah that's fair but if i was waiting for vertigo to answer my q then I wouldn't have nk'd them would I? This is just wifom. And a pretty weak one at that |
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 13:16:51 GMT
ehhh its wifom yes but like i def could've used it as a way to make myself look townie by just bringing up the reasoning out of the blue SOD 4 i think?
though tbh this is kinda why i keep get annoyed by forum mafia because there's a lot more wifom involved idk if its just me though
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 13:17:31 GMT
either way I shouldn't be the one arguing this since u brought it up LOL. quojova wya |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 26, 2021 13:21:28 GMT
ehhh its wifom yes but like i def could've used it as a way to make myself look townie by just bringing up the reasoning out of the blue SOD 4 i think? though tbh this is kinda why i keep get annoyed by forum mafia because there's a lot more wifom involved idk if its just me though Umm no , that would just be weird , Or you might have just forgotten about it given the time gap either way I shouldn't be the one arguing this since u brought it up LOL. quojova wya |
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 13:30:32 GMT
ehhh its wifom yes but like i def could've used it as a way to make myself look townie by just bringing up the reasoning out of the blue SOD 4 i think? though tbh this is kinda why i keep get annoyed by forum mafia because there's a lot more wifom involved idk if its just me though Umm no , that would just be weird , Or you might have just forgotten about it given the time gap either way I shouldn't be the one arguing this since u brought it up LOL. quojova wya mainly because you're the one who brought it up but didn't see it suitable yourself. I kinda see it as if u were the one who brought up the point in the first place then you also have a right to have ur own judgment and most of my counter points don't seem to be holding much weight to you anyways, felt like arguing it further would be useless when u clearly see my point but disagree with it. The wifom element only brings my confidence regarding it even being "towncase worthy" even lower |
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