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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 21, 2021 20:22:37 GMT
until either of those people come back it's hard to get an exact read on the game.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 21, 2021 20:34:13 GMT
until either of those people come back it's hard to get an exact read on the game. It’s not those slots that are holding us back from the reading the game Quojova, Newsdan, Mightycannon, Snackers, Ocean, Vertigo, Veteran ,Erry are all slots that have given the bare minimum, and a lot of these slots have given 0 thought towards the actual game state and have been null on a lot of topics. This is essentially 8 slots that are null and that can’t change until they give us more to work with (With some exceptions, Like I think what Veteran and Erry have given us have been very townie. And how what I think Quo has been scummy) Vertigo has been more active now but I haven’t seen them give their thoughts on anyone yet Ocean was here in the beginning but that was when everyone else was fillering and now they’ve just disappeared I had 0 idea Newsdan, Mightycannon, and Snackers were playing. That says a lot about what their posts have contributed to the game state, and how active they’ve actually been |
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Post by pkq on Jun 21, 2021 21:12:51 GMT
also not amused by @brady @blurb pkq lurkplay tho My bad I have been doing other things |
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Post by pkq on Jun 21, 2021 21:18:36 GMT
Alright so reading the game so far I don't like how some people are calling other people's post fillering. Today is day 1 so if there is any excuse to be fillering it will be today because we have no information.
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Post by pkq on Jun 21, 2021 21:23:05 GMT
Base on the information on the setup I am going to assume the setup is going to be something like this:
19p
15v4
14v4v1
13v6
12v6v1
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 21, 2021 22:28:20 GMT
until either of those people come back it's hard to get an exact read on the game. It’s not those slots that are holding us back from the reading the game Quojova, Newsdan, Mightycannon, Snackers, Ocean, Vertigo, Veteran ,Erry are all slots that have given the bare minimum, and a lot of these slots have given 0 thought towards the actual game state and have been null on a lot of topics. This is essentially 8 slots that are null and that can’t change until they give us more to work with (With some exceptions, Like I think what Veteran and Erry have given us have been very townie. And how what I think Quo has been scummy) Vertigo has been more active now but I haven’t seen them give their thoughts on anyone yet Ocean was here in the beginning but that was when everyone else was fillering and now they’ve just disappeared I had 0 idea Newsdan, Mightycannon, and Snackers were playing. That says a lot about what their posts have contributed to the game state, and how active they’ve actually been Truly honored to be included. I've been super busy for various reasons, but honestly I can't tell what in this string of arguing over filler/lurk/other things is genuine or not. It's all white noise to me rn, and Idk if that's bc I'm washed or what, but I don't have good reads yet. Scum, as they nearly always do, will almost definitely be found in both the lurk and the active camp. I'm on mobile bc my power is out, so I'm gonna reread and then push someone being fake active. |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 21, 2021 22:32:03 GMT
You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? Amid my reading, I have a good feeling this post will become important later. This is a cipher for which we should read Wape throughout the game. Rn the wifom is a bit towny for me, but the last part of "why would i go in the spotlight as scum" is exactly what scum trying to cover would say... soooo I'm gonna say wape's internal logic tracks for now, but watching for later |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 21, 2021 22:36:08 GMT
Base on the information on the setup I am going to assume the setup is going to be something like this: 19p 15v4 14v4v1 13v6 12v6v1 As of current, setup speculation isn’t truly helpful, we should theorise more day 2/ day 3 when we have further information from: claims, votes, buddying etc. furthermore, i think ptsd has posted more than enough lines that are useful to the town for me to continue to be on him. Therefore unvote ptsd |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 21, 2021 22:36:34 GMT
Especially when ddlc keep posting your mom jokes but you didn't bother saying a word about it. Your mom jokes are towny. Also, Kaif is a tl. Very fillery but scum probs doesnt give out like 7 trs off the bat. |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 21, 2021 22:41:19 GMT
Not too confident rn, but scum seems likely to hard-focus on the playercount, esp with assumption of a solo slot. Watching verti and ocean as well but pkq can you throw out some reads? Til' then, [vote pkq] |
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 21, 2021 22:41:33 GMT
Shh vote pkq
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 21, 2021 22:43:32 GMT
Sheep★Go★Moo I want a quick rundown of what u think about as many as u feel like u can. It can be minor stuff like 'tone feels tonwnie' as well. Just general thoughts on the player list Hi i can answer this a bit better now, whilst it isn’t much here goes: i feel as though the work as ptsd (pmeta alert!) is quite good for town and far exceeds what he does as scum d1, furthermore i heavily sl them. (I’m happy to fetch some logs if you’d like) + they’re handling plur pressure well. i’d also like to put a slight tl on vertigo, have been actively going for reads trying to get other peoples opinions to shape a better view of the game. |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 21, 2021 22:43:59 GMT
Oh shoot I heavily TL THEM
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 21, 2021 23:03:00 GMT
You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? Amid my reading, I have a good feeling this post will become important later. This is a cipher for which we should read Wape throughout the game. Rn the wifom is a bit towny for me, but the last part of "why would i go in the spotlight as scum" is exactly what scum trying to cover would say... soooo I'm gonna say wape's internal logic tracks for now, but watching for later seeing this, I’d love it if you read everything that Wallape has posted and maybe also look over other active slots like Scorrch,Sheep,Me just 2 or 3 of the really active slots and I’d love to see your thoughts on them, there should be a lot to go over and some stuff to analyze at this point, reactions are especially important. In about 30 minutes I’m gonna look over Gary+Kaif+DDLC+TOS, because I have a gut feeling that at least one of them is scum (same thing with the currently active group I just mentioned, curious if you see any potential partner ships between the active group and the seemingly active group) |
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Post by pkq on Jun 22, 2021 0:22:56 GMT
Base on the information on the setup I am going to assume the setup is going to be something like this: 19p 15v4 14v4v1 13v6 12v6v1 As of current, setup speculation isn’t truly helpful, we should theorise more day 2/ day 3 when we have further information from: claims, votes, buddying etc. furthermore, i think ptsd has posted more than enough lines that are useful to the town for me to continue to be on him. Therefore unvote ptsdI was just showing my guess to see what other people has to say thats all |
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Post by pkq on Jun 22, 2021 0:28:30 GMT
Not too confident rn, but scum seems likely to hard-focus on the playercount, esp with assumption of a solo slot. Watching verti and ocean as well but pkq can you throw out some reads? Til' then, [vote pkq] I never assume solo was in the game or not I was just guessing the playercount based on what the host gave us. At the end of the day this is closed setup so I think having an idea on the amount of town there is to scum is a good idea. As of reads I really don't have any because at this point nobody seems scum to me. I just think a few people are try harding and they just trying to make reads out of nothing. |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 22, 2021 0:32:44 GMT
Not too confident rn, but scum seems likely to hard-focus on the playercount, esp with assumption of a solo slot. Watching verti and ocean as well but pkq can you throw out some reads? Til' then, [vote pkq] I never assume solo was in the game or not I was just guessing the playercount based on what the host gave us. At the end of the day this is closed setup so I think having an idea on the amount of town there is to scum is a good idea. As of reads I really don't have any because at this point nobody seems scum to me. I just think a few people are try harding and they just trying to make reads out of nothing. Since you are here though, can you read through Wallape iso and just let me know what you think! I’d love more people to look at that slot for a bit, plus it might help you form a read, since Wallape has a lot of stuff to go off of imo. Scorch/Sheep/ and my iso probably are all good to look at as well, just since I believe these slots have posted the most stuff that’s also relevant to game play (TOS has also posted a lot of stuff, 0 of which is relevant) |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 22, 2021 0:36:41 GMT
Ok so reading some stuff and rereading some stuff I honestly haven’t found too much about the 4 people I wanted to look at, but I have some thoughts.
Kaif and DDLC are town until they do something to prove it otherwise. Kaif is less town, but I’ve played as kaifs partner before and Kaif just gives off a really different vibe as scum.
DDLCs lines are all very much his style of shitposting but a majority of them also feel like they bring up valid points, my only real issue from what I see is that DDLC is calling a lot of people town, but not that many people scum and I’d love to see some DDLC scumreads or just any thoughts about that.
I honestly don’t know how to read Gary, since Gary is just generally aggressive from their play style wether it is scum or town, and Gary hasn’t really given any thoughts to the actual game state, like the past couple of lines from Gary have been pure filler at a time where filler should be pretty much over.
Speaking of a time where filler should be pretty much over, TOS iso is just horrendous. I can’t find really anything in their iso that does anything besides take up space, they have like 47 posts, 0 of which are relevant. They keep using an excuse of “I don’t have any reads/ everything I’d chaotic” which I’d like to remind everyone is not an excuse, we are 10 pages in, if you don’t have any reads then you just don’t know where to look, because there’s been plenty of meaningful discussion. Now this slot is so hard to read because so many people have been using the excuse for them that they are a new player to forum mafia, but when day two starts it should stop being an excuse and they should start posting actual ideas and thoughts on the game state
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 22, 2021 0:48:34 GMT
You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? I just keep coming back to Wallapes latest posts. Like maybe it’s just a gut feeling I have, but a lot of their latest posts feel off to me in a way that’s hard to describe. Like I know they’ve explained it, but the way they used the logic of “I shifted onto someone else because I was gonna see if someone called me out, because if they called me out, they are scum” This Logic is so flawed, that I can’t tell if it’s just town thinking so poorly or if it’s Mafia trying to scramble to cover up a mistake they made and turn it around on people who called them out. And Wallape is a very experienced and capable player so to me it feels like the latter. And I’ve been thinking about that last point, and I realized that it’s a pretty bad excuse to say “Why as mafia would I do something so stupid?” Because that assumes that as a scum player you never mess up/ make a mistake, and it’s wifom (I think, I still have no idea who to use 90% of the mafia words) Until I see good defense/ evidence that this slot is town I feel pretty confident doing this unvote Gary, Vote WallapeAlso this is completely irrelevant but I just realized that I haven’t been saying Vote, I’m sorry about that and it’s just because of an old force of habit. |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 22, 2021 0:53:17 GMT
One last thing before I just sit in the shadows and wait for someone else to do literally anything
I’m semi confident in saying that scorch is a tr, most of the posts I’ve seen from them have really solid points and they seem to be one of the few people who are contributing to the game state, I just really want them to post more
Erry and Veteran are TL that can easily become TR If they just become more active, everything they’ve said seems really solid and they’ve given good opinions and thoughts on gamestate.
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 1:31:15 GMT
Sheep★Go★Moo I want a quick rundown of what u think about as many as u feel like u can. It can be minor stuff like 'tone feels tonwnie' as well. Just general thoughts on the player list Hi i can answer this a bit better now, whilst it isn’t much here goes: i feel as though the work as ptsd (pmeta alert!) is quite good for town and far exceeds what he does as scum d1, furthermore i heavily sl them. (I’m happy to fetch some logs if you’d like) + they’re handling plur pressure well. i’d also like to put a slight tl on vertigo, have been actively going for reads trying to get other peoples opinions to shape a better view of the game. uhm what exactly is out of his scum range? I feel like ur tr'ing him bc he's been the most active. But activity =/= town. I probably wouldn't vote him today since he's the most active player rn and we could use more activity promoting, but unless u have smth else i don't buy that I like dan here. His kaif read is good. I think vertigo is also probably town but idk if they've been going for other ppls opinions. |
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 1:35:56 GMT
You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? I just keep coming back to Wallapes latest posts. Like maybe it’s just a gut feeling I have, but a lot of their latest posts feel off to me in a way that’s hard to describe. Like I know they’ve explained it, but the way they used the logic of “I shifted onto someone else because I was gonna see if someone called me out, because if they called me out, they are scum” This Logic is so flawed, that I can’t tell if it’s just town thinking so poorly or if it’s Mafia trying to scramble to cover up a mistake they made and turn it around on people who called them out. And Wallape is a very experienced and capable player so to me it feels like the latter. And I’ve been thinking about that last point, and I realized that it’s a pretty bad excuse to say “Why as mafia would I do something so stupid?” Because that assumes that as a scum player you never mess up/ make a mistake, and it’s wifom (I think, I still have no idea who to use 90% of the mafia words) Until I see good defense/ evidence that this slot is town I feel pretty confident doing this unvote Gary, Vote WallapeAlso this is completely irrelevant but I just realized that I haven’t been saying Vote, I’m sorry about that and it’s just because of an old force of habit. In what way is the logic flawed? From my pov the gamestate is stale af, so I had to do smth to try make it spicier. Allow scum to be opportunistic and get them ezpz. I'm assuming my mistake youre talking of here is voting erry, yes? but why would I want erry voted? |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 22, 2021 1:40:39 GMT
I just keep coming back to Wallapes latest posts. Like maybe it’s just a gut feeling I have, but a lot of their latest posts feel off to me in a way that’s hard to describe. Like I know they’ve explained it, but the way they used the logic of “I shifted onto someone else because I was gonna see if someone called me out, because if they called me out, they are scum” This Logic is so flawed, that I can’t tell if it’s just town thinking so poorly or if it’s Mafia trying to scramble to cover up a mistake they made and turn it around on people who called them out. And Wallape is a very experienced and capable player so to me it feels like the latter. And I’ve been thinking about that last point, and I realized that it’s a pretty bad excuse to say “Why as mafia would I do something so stupid?” Because that assumes that as a scum player you never mess up/ make a mistake, and it’s wifom (I think, I still have no idea who to use 90% of the mafia words) Until I see good defense/ evidence that this slot is town I feel pretty confident doing this unvote Gary, Vote WallapeAlso this is completely irrelevant but I just realized that I haven’t been saying Vote, I’m sorry about that and it’s just because of an old force of habit. In what way is the logic flawed? From my pov the gamestate is stale af, so I had to do smth to try make it spicier. Allow scum to be opportunistic and get them ezpz. I'm assuming my mistake youre talking of here is voting erry, yes? but why would I want erry voted? Sorry I should’ve been more clear, Mistake isn’t the right word, it’s just the weird shift off of Sheep and onto Ezzy was super out of place and felt unjustified. And when you did justify it, it felt like scum scrambling to find a reason as to why they shifted onto Ezzy because the real reason was just to push an easy lynch. And when I say the logic is flawed, it’s because the idea of “Anyone who calls me out because of this weird and out place shift is a sr” just seems so weird, especially in a social deduction game where the point is to catch weird when out of place things, like random shifts without reason. It felt like such a 180 from going to sheep to going to Ezzy and without the explanation at first it’s something that is 100% justifiable to be called out on. |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 22, 2021 1:45:29 GMT
Hi i can answer this a bit better now, whilst it isn’t much here goes: i feel as though the work as ptsd (pmeta alert!) is quite good for town and far exceeds what he does as scum d1, furthermore i heavily sl them. (I’m happy to fetch some logs if you’d like) + they’re handling plur pressure well. i’d also like to put a slight tl on vertigo, have been actively going for reads trying to get other peoples opinions to shape a better view of the game. uhm what exactly is out of his scum range? I feel like ur tr'ing him bc he's been the most active. But activity =/= town. I probably wouldn't vote him today since he's the most active player rn and we could use more activity promoting, but unless u have smth else i don't buy that I like dan here. His kaif read is good. I think vertigo is also probably town but idk if they've been going for other ppls opinions. How do you feel about TOS and Gary here, they are similar to Kaif and Veritgo in terms that they both feel like they are fake active, do you think they are just lazy town or do you think that either of them could be scum that’s taking opportunity of the huge amount of filler to make excuses as to not have reads and to not really contribute |
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 1:46:50 GMT
I believe I tried to make the tone as memey as possible on purpose! Also erry had like 2 votes or smth idk, they were by no means an easy push. In fact, I did not even try to case them like I did with sheep. I saw them talking so I was like why not vote them to see how they'd respond, while also laying a trap. Votes can be moved for a reason might as well utilize ur votes as much as u can instead of staying stagnant and getting little info from the vote
Also I don't think anyone who called me out would've been sr'd. I'd have taken it on a more case to case basis. If they decided to hard push me based on just that, I'd 100% have voted them. If they're like 'yo wallape ur shift makes no sense explain' I probably wouldn't have
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