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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 22, 2021 4:19:13 GMT
I wasn't being opportunistic, though I can see how it might be perceived like that, because I wasn't pushing anyone who was fillering, I just said that at this point of the game, it's unhelpful and should have all those who are fillering treated equally. Fillering is unhelpful no matter at which point we are in the game, but giving too much attention to it is also counterproductive. Not saying that we should allow fillering, but please do look over and find another angle of attack. omg the lies! First of all fillering is highly underrated and makes the game progress whether you watnt that to be the truth or not. But also uhmmmmmmmmmmm OH OHHHHHHH Ah yes ofc fillering is bad but also reacting to fillering is bad ic ic how convienient for you |
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2021 4:19:28 GMT
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Do you feel like quo making this post is an excuse they are using now for when there reads are wrong? Or did you just get mad that they pinged you? Cuz like i dont understand how quo came out of the gate with faction reads just random pings I was referring to ptsd post not quo's. I don't agree with quo voting ptsd for ptsd's read post. Making excuses for later is why quojova's last post is bad in general, but also the awkwardness they are referring to today would be ptsd or maybe tos. Seems like a cop out for voting ptsd. what excuses was I making for later ftr I felt awkwardness in almost every semi-new player who had posted up until that point in my first post I called it scumminess but after more thought I realized I had little idea which it was |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 22, 2021 4:24:37 GMT
You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? Amid my reading, I have a good feeling this post will become important later. This is a cipher for which we should read Wape throughout the game. Rn the wifom is a bit towny for me, but the last part of "why would i go in the spotlight as scum" is exactly what scum trying to cover would say... soooo I'm gonna say wape's internal logic tracks for now, but watching for later Ah yes ofc... Newsdan has found the mystery mouseketool this is incredible... Also i love how everyone from lich g1 is playing like me now this is amazing. Also hes right but also ptsd put himself in the spotlight first and now maybe you thought you could do that too it makes ppl tr you so i feel like there issssssss plenty of reason to put yourself in the spotlight |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 22, 2021 4:27:16 GMT
Gary? Agressive? does that make him scum? Why? Does Gary want to be seen as agressive? If hes scum does being agressive benefit him gamewise instead of trying to buddy other town? These are the questions i ask b4 myself... Gary is town did you actually decide gary is town here I can't tell if yes what's so special about his posts in this game I wanted him to think critically about why ppl would sr gary for "being agressive" and why that read is wrong. I kinda tr gary but the reason is more of uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Your just gonna have to trust me kinda reasoning |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 22, 2021 4:28:09 GMT
Also Unvote Vote Vertigo BTW
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 22, 2021 4:29:29 GMT
It’s not those slots that are holding us back from the reading the game Quojova, Newsdan, Mightycannon, Snackers, Ocean, Vertigo, Veteran ,Erry are all slots that have given the bare minimum, and a lot of these slots have given 0 thought towards the actual game state and have been null on a lot of topics. This is essentially 8 slots that are null and that can’t change until they give us more to work with (With some exceptions, Like I think what Veteran and Erry have given us have been very townie. And how what I think Quo has been scummy) Vertigo has been more active now but I haven’t seen them give their thoughts on anyone yet Ocean was here in the beginning but that was when everyone else was fillering and now they’ve just disappeared I had 0 idea Newsdan, Mightycannon, and Snackers were playing. That says a lot about what their posts have contributed to the game state, and how active they’ve actually been I really am here but I have no thoughts tbh the day 1 filtering isn't weird I wanna buddy this kid so bad... Someone stop me |
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:30:34 GMT
Vote Vertigo
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 4:30:45 GMT
Funny how you are focusing on my single line, when people kept posting fillers after I went to sleep. Poor attempt of trying to guide discussion over me, but I'll take it and go on with. One line is annoying me in your post. I can’t tell if their posts so far are just a natural product of everyone fillering (which I too was guilty of) or if those posts are just what to expect from them even on an active dayGirlie the day started only a few minutes before I posted this, how can you make such assumptions looking at only a few posts ? Where are your contributions to town ? Don't make assumptions based on 3 posts thank you.A yes ofc the classic deflection... Vertigo must realise that by playing the reverse uno card and basically saying "everyone fillered why am i being picked out, now u sus" is clearly a flawed and v suspicious. I especially dislike when he questions the validity of ptsds posts and basically tries to discredit ptsds entire game from a couple reads. Verti makes a valid point tbh wrt why he was being singled out on the read. Why did ptsd choose verti? I do agree discrediting ptsd's reads is kinda a bad look for him tho. |
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:34:02 GMT
vert didnt sheep me and will face the consequences
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:34:57 GMT
oh btw am I allowed to say pmeta to justify my reads?
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Post by erry on Jun 22, 2021 4:35:53 GMT
In what way is the logic flawed? From my pov the gamestate is stale af, so I had to do smth to try make it spicier. Allow scum to be opportunistic and get them ezpz. I'm assuming my mistake youre talking of here is voting erry, yes? but why would I want erry voted? Sorry I should’ve been more clear, Mistake isn’t the right word, it’s just the weird shift off of Sheep and onto Ezzy was super out of place and felt unjustified. And when you did justify it, it felt like scum scrambling to find a reason as to why they shifted onto Ezzy because the real reason was just to push an easy lynch. And when I say the logic is flawed, it’s because the idea of “Anyone who calls me out because of this weird and out place shift is a sr” just seems so weird, especially in a social deduction game where the point is to catch weird when out of place things, like random shifts without reason. It felt like such a 180 from going to sheep to going to Ezzy and without the explanation at first it’s something that is 100% justifiable to be called out on. Ik this has mostly been talked through with Wallape by now, but you were asking for opinions on it from other people earlier and I feel like my perspective on the situation might be some good insight since I was the one being voted by Wallape, so I'm still gonna give my thoughts on this. There's a few things for me to note here, so firstly I'd like to give my perspective on the situation from when it actually happened. Wallape posted their shift while I was giving my thoughts on Sheep, so they clearly knew I was in the chat as well at the time. Upon reading their shift I was tempted to respond to the shift, however, I chose not to because to me it felt like a pretty clear joke shift or rvs to create additional pressure, so without it seeming like a real shift I saw no real reason to respond, which is why I didn't. That said I got a very different impression from Wallape's explanation than PTSD did. As I had previously stated, I chose not to respond to Wallape's shift because I didn't see a reason to question it, the play felt like it very well could've just been additional pressure being shifted around or just another joke rvs, which several people had also still maintained up to that point. Pretty much it felt justified as far as I was concerned in the moment and still am. |
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Post by erry on Jun 22, 2021 4:36:03 GMT
Secondly, I do agree with PTSD though that the trap part of it feels really off, it doesn't feel like the most thought out "trap" by any means imo. With that said I would also like to note another one of PTSD's statements that I got the inverse impression from, that being when PTSD said "This Logic is so flawed, that I can’t tell if it’s just town thinking so poorly or if it’s Mafia trying to scramble to cover up a mistake they made and turn it around on people who called them out. And Wallape is a very experienced and capable player so to me it feels like the latter."
If Wallape really is a "very experienced and capable player" as PTSD claims then this isn't the way I'd expect them to play at all if they were scum. If they were mafia then they'd be less likely to make a mistake like that, but mistakes do still happen ofc, so assuming they did make one still then the main reason I don't think this was a scum play was because of how they tried to cover it. Claiming it as a "trap" feels honestly like a horrible excuse, as both PTSD and myself have now stated, but if they were, again, a "very experienced and capable player" then I feel like they'd be able to come up with much better justification than that. I could understand that looking really suspicious coming from a rookie player who isn't good at covering their mistakes, but from someone with a lot of experience, like Wallape, I feel almost sure that they would've been able to think it through and come up with an excuse that made more sense instead of "trying to scramble" to come up with some random justification that barely makes sense on the spot.
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Post by erry on Jun 22, 2021 4:36:13 GMT
So, it might sound contradictory, but its because Wallape's justification feels really weird that I don't think this was a scum play. Additionally, I'm willing to place Wallape as tl because I feel like this play would've been completely different if they actually were scum, for my previously mentioned reasoning. I also feel like PTSD is tl because, while they did get the inverse impression from me on the Wallape situation, all of their logic made completely sense to me as well, which is why I even referenced several points they brought up, such as how Wallape is an experienced player. Overall it felt like a very genuine towny reaction from PTSD, which is why I also feel like they're tl.
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:37:51 GMT
tldr wifom?
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Post by erry on Jun 22, 2021 4:39:40 GMT
Idk what wifom means, if you're asking for a tldr then pretty much PTSD and Wallape are both tl imo. |
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Post by wallape on Jun 22, 2021 4:41:00 GMT
I can confirm im actually a trash player no matter what ptsd says
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:41:06 GMT
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Post by erry on Jun 22, 2021 4:44:38 GMT
Oh I see now, thank you. Also yeah, pretty much the Wallape situation is WIFOM then, if I'm understanding the definition correctly that is. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2021 4:47:40 GMT
unvote ptsd
it is pretty clear to me atp that he just really wants to progress the game
from what I've seen of ptsd's scumgames I don't really think he goes in this hard if he doesn't actually care about solving
hard to explain why exactly but I feel pretty confident in this
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:49:01 GMT
it is unclear to me why we are not putting vertigo under E-2!
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Post by Kaif on Jun 22, 2021 4:49:18 GMT
oh is this even plur or is this maj
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Post by quojova on Jun 22, 2021 4:54:37 GMT
I'll find another vote after I wake up
I'm tring everybody I look at rn which is probably wrong
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Post by termsofservice on Jun 22, 2021 6:03:43 GMT
I never assume solo was in the game or not I was just guessing the playercount based on what the host gave us. At the end of the day this is closed setup so I think having an idea on the amount of town there is to scum is a good idea. As of reads I really don't have any because at this point nobody seems scum to me. I just think a few people are try harding and they just trying to make reads out of nothing. Since you are here though, can you read through Wallape iso and just let me know what you think! I’d love more people to look at that slot for a bit, plus it might help you form a read, since Wallape has a lot of stuff to go off of imo. Scorch/Sheep/ and my iso probably are all good to look at as well, just since I believe these slots have posted the most stuff that’s also relevant to game play (TOS has also posted a lot of stuff, 0 of which is relevant) All of my lines are relevant, if not now they will be later. |
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Post by termsofservice on Jun 22, 2021 6:07:07 GMT
termsofservice have you played any forum games before this on other sites btw Perhaps |
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Post by termsofservice on Jun 22, 2021 6:09:44 GMT
Anyways I'm begining to sr Vertigo and Wallape. Not confident on either one so I'm staying on Ocean. That's your 2perday TOS update.
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