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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 12:45:27 GMT
Reads Time: Quojova - mostly null, they've been just kind of posting small game notes here and there about peoples play styles and saying they'll search more later, whilst I agree with what they've said on ptsd scumstyle but their just isn't enough substance in their posts for me to read them either way at this stage.
PTSD - I tl/tr them - they're being helpful to town and trying to constantly have discussion in the game, though the back and forth with PKQ is odd and I will be reading into that later, will post my thoughts on both ptsd and pkq after that's fully read as an update!
Veteran Padgett - small tl, I understand their hesitancy with erry based on what they have been replying to. However, I do disagree with their current vertigo read (which doesn't make them scum it just means we have a different opinion hence the tl)
DDLC - small sl - their "dang verti claim" line was odd to me and the memeing has been very unhelpful, I agree that the verti arguing their point was wrong was also unhelpful, but overall the reads here have just been kind of eh.
Gary - Null - the line on defending why they were on a town flip felt unnecessary to me, day 1 flip being incorrect is going to happen in mafia, felt weird when nobody was singling them out, but apart from that they've not done anything scummy in my eyes + trying to boost discussion.
TOS - moderate sl -they've not been helpful to town, attracting a lot of attention day 1 when it could have been spent on others, their reads haven't really had much substance, and their has been a lack of game questioning imo.
Ocean - Null - lack of substantial posting + sheeping is NAI but more towards scum than town for me currently out of this null.
Vertigo - tl - I've given my thoughts on this slot a lot of times.
erry - slight tl/Null - some decent points, but alot of the time it's hard to see what they're trying to get across, sometimes alot of words for not much to actually go off of
Snackers - Null - not educated enough on the slot to give a valid read.
OM - Null - they have 4 lines.
Scorrch - Null - they were correct (along with gary) to call out my claim of "iioa" when it clearly wasn't (sidenote: wtf was I waffling on about?) due to my exhaustion. furthermore, I cannot really fit them into the current game as scum or town with their posts. On the one hand good use of contextual knowledge with pmeta and decent reads, on the other hand some fillery lines.
wallape - one of my stronger tls - I cannot particularly fault much of this slot, good line analysis with no scummy/questionable lines of their own, lack of pocketing also suggests if they were to be scum they're solo but thats a discussion for another post.
PKQ - small sl/Null - the hyperfixation on the night kill with people around pkq bothers me and it's hard to grasp what's correct and what's a random exaggeration.
NewsDan - null - need more education on this slot as well
I shall now read: NewsDan's, Snackers', PKQ's and TOS' iso
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 12:45:54 GMT
did that take me over an hour due to multitasking? perhaps
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Post by termsofservice on Jun 26, 2021 14:21:30 GMT
Fuckin hell this started and I didn't see it
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 26, 2021 15:07:57 GMT
I am going to sl scorr for now Can someone tell scorr username because I don't know lol ❓
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 15:12:58 GMT
I think sheep + ocean is viable. Sheeps readlist feels like he's playing it extremely safe and something about "x is being helpful to town so townlean" and "y is being bad for town so scum" also kinda pushes me the wrong way here.
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 15:58:47 GMT
I think sheep + ocean is viable. Sheeps readlist feels like he's playing it extremely safe and something about "x is being helpful to town so townlean" and "y is being bad for town so scum" also kinda pushes me the wrong way here. how come I would be viable with ocean specifically?
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 16:03:33 GMT
i scumread both of u and ur read on ocean which has the stance of "kinda scumlean but not rly" fills the standard w/w template of interactions on a completely unrelated note i also kinda townlean snackers simply because i find it unlikely scum comes in with a gut feeling read rather than a solid scumread post. I also am with dan wrt ptsd. I have a very gut feeling abotu ptsd being scum but upon reading his iso idek why i feel that way. Thought passthesaltdude I feel like ur reasoning to vote pkq is kinda weird because its so wifomy (the fearkill nk part). Dan saying basically what i want to say but am too scared to gives me TTA (townies think alike) vibes and i like it
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 16:04:16 GMT
k thats fair.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 16:58:37 GMT
i scumread both of u and ur read on ocean which has the stance of "kinda scumlean but not rly" fills the standard w/w template of interactions on a completely unrelated note i also kinda townlean snackers simply because i find it unlikely scum comes in with a gut feeling read rather than a solid scumread post. I also am with dan wrt ptsd. I have a very gut feeling abotu ptsd being scum but upon reading his iso idek why i feel that way. Thought passthesaltdude I feel like ur reasoning to vote pkq is kinda weird because its so wifomy (the fearkill nk part). Dan saying basically what i want to say but am too scared to gives me TTA (townies think alike) vibes and i like it Let me kind of put in a concise why way I SR PKQ The fearkill isn’t a main factor, it just makes sense that in the situation that PKQ is scum that they fearkilled kaif. And there’s an almost 100% chance that based on wagons, one of Ocean and PKQ is scum, and ocean hasn’t been here for me to really question/ interact with him. PKQ has not given any real concrete/ solid reads, when asked about the main wagons yesterday, they felt null on both, and I feel like even really bad town would have at least one thing to say about either of those two wagons, besides being null on them. And PKQs two scumreads are just very weird, both being based off of nightkills, where the logic behind them makes 0 sense. They SR scorch because Kaif said if he was scum they would kill scorch, so scorch did the opposite. And it’s logic that’s just so confusing to follow, that I truly pray and believe that no member of town would come up with that!
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 17:06:36 GMT
i scumread both of u and ur read on ocean which has the stance of "kinda scumlean but not rly" fills the standard w/w template of interactions on a completely unrelated note i also kinda townlean snackers simply because i find it unlikely scum comes in with a gut feeling read rather than a solid scumread post. I also am with dan wrt ptsd. I have a very gut feeling abotu ptsd being scum but upon reading his iso idek why i feel that way. Thought passthesaltdude I feel like ur reasoning to vote pkq is kinda weird because its so wifomy (the fearkill nk part). Dan saying basically what i want to say but am too scared to gives me TTA (townies think alike) vibes and i like it Let me kind of put in a concise why way I SR PKQ The fearkill isn’t a main factor, it just makes sense that in the situation that PKQ is scum that they fearkilled kaif.
And there’s an almost 100% chance that based on wagons, one of Ocean and PKQ is scum, and ocean hasn’t been here for me to really question/ interact with him.PKQ has not given any real concrete/ solid reads, when asked about the main wagons yesterday, they felt null on both, and I feel like even really bad town would have at least one thing to say about either of those two wagons, besides being null on them. And PKQs two scumreads are just very weird, both being based off of nightkills, where the logic behind them makes 0 sense. They SR scorch because Kaif said if he was scum they would kill scorch, so scorch did the opposite. And it’s logic that’s just so confusing to follow, that I truly pray and believe that no member of town would come up with that! yeah the last two paragraphs make sense to me, thats fine i suppose, kinda get twtbw vibes from him bc of those points. I can understand having convoluted points to follow as town more than scum personally though for the lines in red though: a) Wifom yade yade yada w/e b) The thing is, what if it is the 0.00001% chance the wagon on PKQ was entirely pure and you as scum decided to kill the people on that wagon so you could frame pkq? I don't necessarily think its likely either, it just makes me feel extremely uncomfortable fsr. It isn't anything concrete nor am i pushing you, but i think i might look back at this later on, might just be my paranoia getting me here though Also, what do u think about Sheep + Ocean as a scumteam or sheep as scum on their own?
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 17:17:38 GMT
Since everyone and their mom is doing a big read post, i’ll go ahead and do one as well, though it’s gonna be pretty quick and short for most of them, since i’ve given my opinion on 80% of these slots more in depth. This is just for people who keep continually asking me for reads that I had just already made.
1.quojova- I wasn’t the biggest fan of their D1 but I can’t wait to see what their sub does when this slot is inevitably subbed
2. passthesaltdude- This slot has been doing a lot for town, and has been pushing discussion forward the entire time, but my gut tells me that all this pro-town effort is actually really scummy, so a SL for now.
4. Veteran Padgett- I’m still seeing the bare minimum from this slot, they pop in every now and then with 1 or 2 questions and then they just disappear for a bit. I’ll probably read through some of their previous games later and compare to what they’ve done this game.
5. ddlcfan69- I don’t know if they’ve said anything today ( I don’t think so) but as far as i’m concerned DDLC is a town lean, they’ve been meming a lot but that’s just their normal playstyle, and I can’t see anything outlandishly scummy from them.
6. Sheep★Go★Moo- This slot isnt particularly a TR anymore, but I still feel solid enough to say that they aren’t scum. I actually kind of like Wallapes idea of Sheep+Ocean, though it’s not something i’m gonna pursue until Ocean flips.
7. Gary The Savage- Scumlean still, once again Gary hasn’t given us much and hasn’t really done anything to move the game forward at any point, and out of Sheep+News+Gary a group that has to have at least 1 scum in them, I see gary as the most likely being scum. Plus my gut just tells me that gary is scum, which I know means absolutely nothing.
8. termsofservice- An insane slot that i’ve tried reading so many times, but my mental stability will not let me even attempt to try and scroll through this slots iso another time. It’s so much nothing, and everything this slot has done has just been filler, and it’s so hard to formulate a read because this seems to be the slots first game.
9. Ocean- A solid scumread for reasons i’ve explained before, the more the day goes on, the more I like the sound of Ocean+Sheep as a possible partner combination
10. Vertigo- I’ve said this slot was town for a while now, and I still stand by it. I’m gonna look at votes on them later today, because i’m convinced that their wagon was pushed by scum.
11. erry- This is somewhat of a gut read, but I still heavily TR them, their lines just give off really townie energy, and I feel like they are trying to add original thoughts to a somewhat repetitive game.
12. snackers- I cannot tell you a single thing about this slot, and I can’t even remember if they’ve said anything today. This slot seems like it has been purposefully lurking and they probably need to have pressure on them at some point.
14. OM~! - OM is scum, this is just a fact and if you can’t see this fact then git gud. OM is apart of the mafia faction, and I hope that the third party will fearkill OM tonight.
15. ❓- This slot has been giving a lot of good points and generating pretty meaningful town discussion, so right now the slot is a TL for me, not to mention the weird amount of people SRing them, makes me more included to believe they are town. 16. wallape + NewsDan = I’m lumping these slots together, because not only do they share some similar reads, I share the same experience with both of these slots. For the most part they seem fine and both are starting to look townier to me ( though I still trust newsdan a bit less) but both of these slots have 1 or 2 posts that are just utterly baffling to me that i’ve touched on before.
. 19. pkq- Scum, I don’t think I need to restate the reasons because i’ve pretty much beat this thing into the ground.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 17:27:31 GMT
Let me kind of put in a concise why way I SR PKQ The fearkill isn’t a main factor, it just makes sense that in the situation that PKQ is scum that they fearkilled kaif.
And there’s an almost 100% chance that based on wagons, one of Ocean and PKQ is scum, and ocean hasn’t been here for me to really question/ interact with him.PKQ has not given any real concrete/ solid reads, when asked about the main wagons yesterday, they felt null on both, and I feel like even really bad town would have at least one thing to say about either of those two wagons, besides being null on them. And PKQs two scumreads are just very weird, both being based off of nightkills, where the logic behind them makes 0 sense. They SR scorch because Kaif said if he was scum they would kill scorch, so scorch did the opposite. And it’s logic that’s just so confusing to follow, that I truly pray and believe that no member of town would come up with that! yeah the last two paragraphs make sense to me, thats fine i suppose, kinda get twtbw vibes from him bc of those points. I can understand having convoluted points to follow as town more than scum personally though for the lines in red though: a) Wifom yade yade yada w/e b) The thing is, what if it is the 0.00001% chance the wagon on PKQ was entirely pure and you as scum decided to kill the people on that wagon so you could frame pkq? I don't necessarily think its likely either, it just makes me feel extremely uncomfortable fsr. It isn't anything concrete nor am i pushing you, but i think i might look back at this later on, might just be my paranoia getting me here though Also, what do u think about Sheep + Ocean as a scumteam or sheep as scum on their own? Following your thought process here. You are saying that in a scenario where all 4 people on PKQ that aren’t me, were town (this includes ocean) and PKQ is town, there’s a chance that I as scum decided to kill Kaif to frame PKQ, so I could then push PKQ for that. That’s what I essentially gathered from your post, and this is gonna get very WIFOMy, but you just dropped a huge pile of WIFOM with that ( at least I assume that’s wifom, I’m still not 100% what is and what isn’t WIFOM) So as Scum you believe that I decided to kill kaif purely to frame a slot that was already really scummy in its own right, so that I could then push the slot of PKQ with another reason of the wagon having to have some scum on it (and in this part, I would have no idea about the Night Kill on Litt) It just seems so needlessly complicated, and I don’t understand why I would kill someone to frame a slot, when the person I kill was doing everything in their power to get that slot voted anyways. At that point it would just make more sense to keep that slot alive so the slot can get voted. And it’s a lot of hurdles to jump through to vote PKQ, who is not a threat in the slightest and not even the easiest slot to push. Sorry that that’s all very much WIFOMy, but it’s kind of there to combat the WIFOM you just gave me
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snackers
Innocent Child
mafia player with a 1:8 W/L ratio
Posts: 97
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Post by snackers on Jun 26, 2021 17:28:59 GMT
How could I read someone's ISO? just so I could contribute more towards the game because I honestly feel I'm gonna die
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snackers
Innocent Child
mafia player with a 1:8 W/L ratio
Posts: 97
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Post by snackers on Jun 26, 2021 17:29:27 GMT
Also scum is PSTD and wallape
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 17:32:11 GMT
he got us @ptsd
Click on the magnifying glass on top right -> post made by -> insert username
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 17:33:31 GMT
yeah the last two paragraphs make sense to me, thats fine i suppose, kinda get twtbw vibes from him bc of those points. I can understand having convoluted points to follow as town more than scum personally though for the lines in red though: a) Wifom yade yade yada w/e b) The thing is, what if it is the 0.00001% chance the wagon on PKQ was entirely pure and you as scum decided to kill the people on that wagon so you could frame pkq? I don't necessarily think its likely either, it just makes me feel extremely uncomfortable fsr. It isn't anything concrete nor am i pushing you, but i think i might look back at this later on, might just be my paranoia getting me here though Also, what do u think about Sheep + Ocean as a scumteam or sheep as scum on their own? Following your thought process here. You are saying that in a scenario where all 4 people on PKQ that aren’t me, were town (this includes ocean) and PKQ is town, there’s a chance that I as scum decided to kill Kaif to frame PKQ, so I could then push PKQ for that. That’s what I essentially gathered from your post, and this is gonna get very WIFOMy, but you just dropped a huge pile of WIFOM with that ( at least I assume that’s wifom, I’m still not 100% what is and what isn’t WIFOM) So as Scum you believe that I decided to kill kaif purely to frame a slot that was already really scummy in its own right, so that I could then push the slot of PKQ with another reason of the wagon having to have some scum on it (and in this part, I would have no idea about the Night Kill on Litt) It just seems so needlessly complicated, and I don’t understand why I would kill someone to frame a slot, when the person I kill was doing everything in their power to get that slot voted anyways. At that point it would just make more sense to keep that slot alive so the slot can get voted. And it’s a lot of hurdles to jump through to vote PKQ, who is not a threat in the slightest and not even the easiest slot to push. Sorry that that’s all very much WIFOMy, but it’s kind of there to combat the WIFOM you just gave me Its extremely wifomy and I'm not even sure I even believe it myself but it was just there at the back of my mind so I felt like saying it
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snackers
Innocent Child
mafia player with a 1:8 W/L ratio
Posts: 97
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Post by snackers on Jun 26, 2021 17:44:15 GMT
WIFOM can work sometimes and should be considered as a possibility idk what I'm saying
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 17:46:58 GMT
he got us @ptsd Click on the magnifying glass on top right -> post made by -> insert username Fuck, we need to fearkill snackers as soon as possible.
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Post by Schrodinger on Jun 26, 2021 18:00:05 GMT
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snackers
Innocent Child
mafia player with a 1:8 W/L ratio
Posts: 97
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Post by snackers on Jun 26, 2021 18:03:55 GMT
Vote PKQ
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 26, 2021 18:09:28 GMT
[v]Vote PKQ
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 26, 2021 18:09:40 GMT
Vote PKQ
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 18:10:40 GMT
I’d love to see yours and snackers reasons!! Because right now i’m afraid that it’s actually 9v8 and scum is about to QH PKQ
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Ocean
Innocent Child
I heard you was givin' your chain away, that's kinda like givin' your fame away
Posts: 78
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Post by Ocean on Jun 26, 2021 18:31:10 GMT
Before go to reads i'll just give My thoughts on kills. Kaif I expected to die for many reasons he had a townie presence and majority could agree he was town. It's also better than fearkilling as Anyone could have killed kaif which is why I think if a vig didn't shoot litt most likely didn't mafia or whatever the main faction is shot kaif and the solo scum shot litt. Solo scum shooting litt makes sense to me as they could have sred litt and it's more valuable to kill mafia whenever you get the chance. I'll post readlist soon and I'll answer any questions anyone has.
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 26, 2021 18:36:19 GMT
Before go to reads i'll just give My thoughts on kills. Kaif I expected to die for many reasons he had a townie presence and majority could agree he was town. It's also better than fearkilling as Anyone could have killed kaif which is why I think if a vig didn't shoot litt most likely didn't mafia or whatever the main faction is shot kaif and the solo scum shot litt. Solo scum shooting litt makes sense to me as they could have sred litt and it's more valuable to kill mafia whenever you get the chance. I'll post readlist soon and I'll answer any questions anyone has. This actually makes decent sense imo
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