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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 20:16:05 GMT
I've had a bunch of shifts this weekend and my phone is broken sorry u_u
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 20:17:51 GMT
I don’t like either of your posts about fearkille because they feel like they are trying to take away from the idea that you fearkilled kaif. And both of your reasons feel very lazy. Like “Scorch killed kaif, because kaif mentioned scorch being the only one worthy of nightkill” is such weird logic that I truly want to believe that the only explanation is that you are scum and trying to come up with an alternate fearkill. Besides, not every nightkill has to be a fearkill!!! I think Litt was nightkilled, because Litt is just good at the game. And OM is not scum because Litt died. #1- I don’t see OM fear killing Litt in that scenario. #2- OM Is scum for an entirely different reason, not because of a weird fearkill. What I am saying is that the n1 kill is setup perfectly to make me seem like scum. At the fact that you and maybe others are stuck on I fearkill kaif just proves my point. I think this is just a free day to scum bs their way to another easy lynch. The whole thing with ? is that what if he was scum notice how everything was flowing, notice how kaif was trying to lead town, and decided to kill kaif because everyone will suspect me of doing it and he can get away of bsing town. I am not saying every nightkill is a fearkill, but from the people who died last night that is probably some of yall are thinking. If you believe that Litt was nightkill and not fearkill then why can't you say the same about kaif. Kaif seem pretty good at the game. The fact you don't see OM fearkill, but see me fearkilling kaif is hilarious because litt had a legit read on OM. On top of that if OM was really scum as you say then why wouldn't he killed the person who scum reads him the most. On top of that if OM is scum to you that means he kill kaif because you believed he didn't killed litt and that also brings down the argument that I kill kaif. If we wanna do fearkill analysis pinning it on me is kinda dumb bc A. I literally just subbed in and B. killing kaif sucks for me at any point at time (even if he scumreads me)
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 20:19:02 GMT
What I am saying is that the n1 kill is setup perfectly to make me seem like scum. At the fact that you and maybe others are stuck on I fearkill kaif just proves my point. I think this is just a free day to scum bs their way to another easy lynch. The whole thing with ? is that what if he was scum notice how everything was flowing, notice how kaif was trying to lead town, and decided to kill kaif because everyone will suspect me of doing it and he can get away of bsing town. I am not saying every nightkill is a fearkill, but from the people who died last night that is probably some of yall are thinking. If you believe that Litt was nightkill and not fearkill then why can't you say the same about kaif. Kaif seem pretty good at the game. The fact you don't see OM fearkill, but see me fearkilling kaif is hilarious because litt had a legit read on OM. On top of that if OM was really scum as you say then why wouldn't he killed the person who scum reads him the most. On top of that if OM is scum to you that means he kill kaif because you believed he didn't killed litt and that also brings down the argument that I kill kaif. If we wanna do fearkill analysis pinning it on me is kinda dumb bc A. I literally just subbed in and B. killing kaif sucks for me at any point at time (even if he scumreads me) Furthermore, I feel like ptsd's avenue re: pkq is a good one analytics wise because it's actually, like, reading into the slot and it's movements for reasoning
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 20:19:33 GMT
For all those people who are going to say well kaif scum read you. That was under the basis that I was lurking the whole time towards the end of the deadline, but in reality, I just had the mafia pro board website on a tab while I was making sure everything was ok from the power outage I had. It's like literally just ptsd isn't it are you ok
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 20:20:46 GMT
I would like to know your update reads please Curious, if ? is scum, who are their partners? nvm this is incredibly dumb I retract everything good I said about ptsd
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 20:23:59 GMT
Curious, if ? is scum, who are their partners? nvm this is incredibly dumb I retract everything good I said about ptsd this is just an OMGUS because I know that you are scum
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 20:30:05 GMT
nvm this is incredibly dumb I retract everything good I said about ptsd this is just an OMGUS because I know that you are scum It is literally feeding any scorr / ptsd narrative I can make, but doesn't help you figure out pkq's slot imo it's very ew
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Post by spiderz on Jun 26, 2021 20:44:05 GMT
It's to be expected there first posts are filler and considering the fact they're also new to forum maf so I'd let it go. Gary's line towards tos is like nullish for me I think scum would have taken a more passive tone towards it and I think with the experience comes scum being more self conscious of there posts and what to say that won't come off as bad and I don't see anything wrong with it. It seems like he's just trying to change the tone away from the fillery start. Both of those seem pretty fair. I’m curious if there’s anyone in particular who’s stood out to you in either way so far! Wether it be someone who stands out as town or someone who stands out as scum, or are people still just null due to the countless amount of filler This is a mindset conflict because if you wanted to get the ball rolling, you do not respond this fucking passive !_! look man, if you want to read that feel free, but it ain't my cup of tea To be fair it was just something to get discussion rolling, since literally everything before that point was filler! It’s hard to try and start something when there’s nothing to really start with A common issues I have with ptsd are 1. Over enthusiastic 2. Way too Self aware 3. He is not pursuing his thoughts hard enough I can't tell if he is taking advantage of worse players rn or is really just playing like this because the way he is playing is fishing for a lot of towncred and trying to stay very passive what in the world would he be distracting from; nothing has happened I get the feeling that you did not care very much at all about being accurate when you wrote that this whole post is drawing way too much tbh vote ptsdit feels like the big challenge this game is going to be separating awkwardness from scumminess Having faction reads in the first content post is pretty out there, but it served its purpose of starting discussion and seems NAI to me. You're last post is just eugh. Vote quojovaSheep and aph argument seems tl on both for me. Only town could be so passionate about an rvs. Both these posts are from a town mindset, I don't think quo is wrong to point out the fact that PTSD's concern about distracting specifically, I think that's a really good point bc PTSD is presenting a false narrative that isn't really apparent to people who are reading it in good faith. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
the dude who vs'd scorr i think the name was sheep is town ptsd is town vertigo is town newsdan is town scorr null termsofservice null gary sl erry scum Pointing to Kaif's scumplay in Ace Attorney wrt bolded. Kaif not explaining shit is NAI but it's not that hard to see how he is reading based on his posts. PTSD/Vert/Dan are all lazy TR's, also Kaif is trying way too hard to fall back on him not explaining shit, like ill elaborate more in his later posts but like, Kaif makes much more analysis and generates a lot more interactions in games I've played with him then this. It's not the fact that he isn't explaining stuff but it's the fact that he's trying too hard to keep that persona up. i really dislike that sheep didn't have anything to say about anyone when he's been one of the most interactive players in this game. Maybe it's just due to the mindset that 'i can't form reads d1' but I feel like u should atleast have had a something to say about scorr/other filler-ers bc of how much u were talking to them I do not understand Padgett vote on quo at all Tos seems townie to me on surface. Feel like sod intent for fillering was to generate talk between players more than scum trying to seem townie bc of post count Ddlc's "drive" had 1 content post he's conf scum for not meming whole game Wallape he literally explained it, stop whiteknighting for Quo. Im townlocking sheep and im sleeping him :^) unvote:sheep vote: erry I’m actually a little curious here, because you scumread sheep here for calling out people and asking for their thoughts (I know you changed your vote but I just now caught this when rereading the day!) Based on what you’ve been doing so far (Calling out Sheep, and asking a lot of people baseless questions) I’m curious as to what you see if different between the two. Uhm I never really shifted off sheep with the intent of staying off sheep. The only reason I decided to shift my vote was bc i knew sheep was asleep and keeping my vote on him while asleep barely offers any pressure but by voting erry (who had just posted at that time!) meant that I could simultaneously try and get a reaction from erry as well as other people who could call me out on it bc most people could easily tell that it was a meme shift, so anyone who pushed me off of that was likely scum. (I see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm.....) And um I do not see sheep as the same light as me because all they've done is call out people for completely NAI reasons. They're a bit TOO stuck up on people who were simply fillering instead of trying to generate content of their own. There were about 2 posts of theirs that I saw and was like "ok, this seems alright". To me it kinda seems like they're just here and are trying to show they're being active but not being productive. Calling out literally ANYONE who fillers screams kinda opportunistic to me as well in a thread where a lot people were trying to reduce fillering. The whole scorr v sheep situation just made me go ?? ?? ??. Them not giving any meaningful reply to me asking them about their thoughts is just weird because surely you'd have had some thoughts on ppl, whether it be based on tone or not, no? Like i said earlier though this might be due to people thinking "its d1 there is nothing i can do that's meaningful today!" mindset but its still kinda weird Also i have no clue what the "asking people baseless qs refers to" because they make sense to me. Also no point in staying on erry now i suppose unvote erry vote sheep You are so defensive wallape and the progression is so hard to fit with any kind of town mindset but like also I see your explanation and I guess I get it but also if you had such a huge issue with sheep why not post it immediately rather then wait that doesn't make sense, like this whole post seems like you rather defend yourself from PTSD rather then push sheep. Uhm I never really shifted off sheep with the intent of staying off sheep. The only reason I decided to shift my vote was bc i knew sheep was asleep and keeping my vote on him while asleep barely offers any pressure but by voting erry (who had just posted at that time!) meant that I could simultaneously try and get a reaction from erry as well as other people who could call me out on it bc most people could easily tell that it was a meme shift, so anyone who pushed me off of that was likely scum. (I see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm.....) And um I do not see sheep as the same light as me because all they've done is call out people for completely NAI reasons. They're a bit TOO stuck up on people who were simply fillering instead of trying to generate content of their own. There were about 2 posts of theirs that I saw and was like "ok, this seems alright". To me it kinda seems like they're just here and are trying to show they're being active but not being productive. Calling out literally ANYONE who fillers screams kinda opportunistic to me as well in a thread where a lot people were trying to reduce fillering. The whole scorr v sheep situation just made me go ?? ?? ??. Them not giving any meaningful reply to me asking them about their thoughts is just weird because surely you'd have had some thoughts on ppl, whether it be based on tone or not, no? Like i said earlier though this might be due to people thinking "its d1 there is nothing i can do that's meaningful today!" mindset but its still kinda weird Also i have no clue what the "asking people baseless qs refers to" because they make sense to me. Also no point in staying on erry now i suppose unvote erry vote sheep What bugs me the most about this post is “ The only reason I decided to shift my vote was bc i knew sheep was asleep and keeping my vote on him while asleep barely offers any pressure but by voting erry (who had just posted at that time!) meant that I could simultaneously try and get a reaction from erry as well as other people who could call me out on it bc most people could easily tell that it was a meme shift, so anyone who pushed me off of that was likely scum. (I see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm.....) “ It comes off as super defensive and trying to turn things around on me, which is especially weird because I didn’t even push you from that line, in fact all I did was acknowledge that you had shifted off sheep, but that wasn’t what was relevant to my question. And the logic behind it just feels fake, why would you make a meme shift just so you could scumread anyone who scumread you for meming? It feels unnecessary complicated, and something that you made up in a hurry to try and defend yourself from the weird and sudden shift. TLDR: It seems like you are giving extra info here that wasn’t asked for, in attempts to preemptively cover your mistake and to try and turn it around on anyone who questions you about it! Yeah PTSD gives a more in depth conclusion to what I just said but also noting the fact that Wallape set this up in order to push the people that were going to push him for "meme shifting" to Erry but doesn't really push PTSD for it, PTSD also exaggerates the fact that Wallape was trying to turn things on PTSD when he really wasn't. And what extra info are you referring to ? You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? I understand it now, It just felt like you were responding to the shift because of the post I made asking you the questions. And you doing that sr people for meming part still felt out of place, especially when I didn’t call you out for it Although I honestly thought Erry had way more votes on them than they actually did. The amount I saw their name being thrown around I had assumed they had about 3 votes and you were the 4th, and that made me believe that you were scum trying to capitalize on a slot that was already widely SR Looking at the vote count that idea was obviously wrong Wallape's logic here is bleh but I'm leaning misguided town even with the wifom, anyways I'm not sure what PTSD understands more here then he did from his last post and the focus on Erry's traction is weird? Uhm I never really shifted off sheep with the intent of staying off sheep. The only reason I decided to shift my vote was bc i knew sheep was asleep and keeping my vote on him while asleep barely offers any pressure but by voting erry (who had just posted at that time!) meant that I could simultaneously try and get a reaction from erry as well as other people who could call me out on it bc most people could easily tell that it was a meme shift, so anyone who pushed me off of that was likely scum. (I see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm.....) And um I do not see sheep as the same light as me because all they've done is call out people for completely NAI reasons. They're a bit TOO stuck up on people who were simply fillering instead of trying to generate content of their own. There were about 2 posts of theirs that I saw and was like "ok, this seems alright". To me it kinda seems like they're just here and are trying to show they're being active but not being productive. Calling out literally ANYONE who fillers screams kinda opportunistic to me as well in a thread where a lot people were trying to reduce fillering. The whole scorr v sheep situation just made me go ?? ?? ??. Them not giving any meaningful reply to me asking them about their thoughts is just weird because surely you'd have had some thoughts on ppl, whether it be based on tone or not, no? Like i said earlier though this might be due to people thinking "its d1 there is nothing i can do that's meaningful today!" mindset but its still kinda weird Also i have no clue what the "asking people baseless qs refers to" because they make sense to me. Also no point in staying on erry now i suppose unvote erry vote sheep I wasn't being opportunistic, though I can see how it might be perceived like that, because I wasn't pushing anyone who was fillering, I just said that at this point of the game, it's unhelpful and should have all those who are fillering treated equally. Yeah like this too because Sheep wasn't pushing anyone fillering but it's not out of the realm that wallape came to that narrative also not amused by @brady @blurb pkq lurkplay tho Not amused by your practical 0 contribution so far but literal audacity to prod people lol Base on the information on the setup I am going to assume the setup is going to be something like this: 19p 15v4 14v4v1 13v6 12v6v1 this is iioa btw Base on the information on the setup I am going to assume the setup is going to be something like this: 19p 15v4 14v4v1 13v6 12v6v1 As of current, setup speculation isn’t truly helpful, we should theorise more day 2/ day 3 when we have further information from: claims, votes, buddying etc. furthermore, i think ptsd has posted more than enough lines that are useful to the town for me to continue to be on him. Therefore unvote ptsdDo Not Town People Because They Post A Lot. Especially when ddlc keep posting your mom jokes but you didn't bother saying a word about it. Your mom jokes are towny. Also, Kaif is a tl. Very fillery but scum probs doesnt give out like 7 trs off the bat. Scum literally can, in fact I'd say it's easier for scum to do that since they have a lot less paranoia then town? Ok so reading some stuff and rereading some stuff I honestly haven’t found too much about the 4 people I wanted to look at, but I have some thoughts. Kaif and DDLC are town until they do something to prove it otherwise. Kaif is less town, but I’ve played as kaifs partner before and Kaif just gives off a really different vibe as scum. DDLCs lines are all very much his style of shitposting but a majority of them also feel like they bring up valid points, my only real issue from what I see is that DDLC is calling a lot of people town, but not that many people scum and I’d love to see some DDLC scumreads or just any thoughts about that. I honestly don’t know how to read Gary, since Gary is just generally aggressive from their play style wether it is scum or town, and Gary hasn’t really given any thoughts to the actual game state, like the past couple of lines from Gary have been pure filler at a time where filler should be pretty much over. Speaking of a time where filler should be pretty much over, TOS iso is just horrendous. I can’t find really anything in their iso that does anything besides take up space, they have like 47 posts, 0 of which are relevant. They keep using an excuse of “I don’t have any reads/ everything I’d chaotic” which I’d like to remind everyone is not an excuse, we are 10 pages in, if you don’t have any reads then you just don’t know where to look, because there’s been plenty of meaningful discussion. Now this slot is so hard to read because so many people have been using the excuse for them that they are a new player to forum mafia, but when day two starts it should stop being an excuse and they should start posting actual ideas and thoughts on the game state DDLC TR is fine, Kaif TR is awful You literally asked why people were voting erry though? The reason I laid it out the "(i see u didn't realize the obvious meme hm..)" part was bc I was simply following through with the logic I had laid out there in the post. You merely pointed out the shift, I followed through on it. Laying a trap for scum isn't unnecessarily complicated at all. Also I didn't want to sr ppl for sr'ing me for meming. It was because scum are more likely to be opportunistic when i shift my vote off my sr onto someone who I have barely interacted with at all. Also what reason do u think I'd purposefully put myself in the spotlight with something I know that people scumread for me? Why do I, as scum, shift off of sheep and vote erry when I know it makes no sense logically? I just keep coming back to Wallapes latest posts. Like maybe it’s just a gut feeling I have, but a lot of their latest posts feel off to me in a way that’s hard to describe. Like I know they’ve explained it, but the way they used the logic of “I shifted onto someone else because I was gonna see if someone called me out, because if they called me out, they are scum” This Logic is so flawed, that I can’t tell if it’s just town thinking so poorly or if it’s Mafia trying to scramble to cover up a mistake they made and turn it around on people who called them out. And Wallape is a very experienced and capable player so to me it feels like the latter. And I’ve been thinking about that last point, and I realized that it’s a pretty bad excuse to say “Why as mafia would I do something so stupid?” Because that assumes that as a scum player you never mess up/ make a mistake, and it’s wifom (I think, I still have no idea who to use 90% of the mafia words) Until I see good defense/ evidence that this slot is town I feel pretty confident doing this unvote Gary, Vote WallapeAlso this is completely irrelevant but I just realized that I haven’t been saying Vote, I’m sorry about that and it’s just because of an old force of habit. This I guess is more town considering PTSD's posts, but like, note that he clearly denotes that he's confident in this push, and has a certain level of aggression Hi i can answer this a bit better now, whilst it isn’t much here goes: i feel as though the work as ptsd (pmeta alert!) is quite good for town and far exceeds what he does as scum d1, furthermore i heavily sl them. (I’m happy to fetch some logs if you’d like) + they’re handling plur pressure well. i’d also like to put a slight tl on vertigo, have been actively going for reads trying to get other peoples opinions to shape a better view of the game. uhm what exactly is out of his scum range? I feel like ur tr'ing him bc he's been the most active. But activity =/= town. I probably wouldn't vote him today since he's the most active player rn and we could use more activity promoting, but unless u have smth else i don't buy that I like dan here. His kaif read is good. I think vertigo is also probably town but idk if they've been going for other ppls opinions. Uhm. It's too late to talk abt this probs but like this is truly a borderline misguided town or just scum moment. uhm what exactly is out of his scum range? I feel like ur tr'ing him bc he's been the most active. But activity =/= town. I probably wouldn't vote him today since he's the most active player rn and we could use more activity promoting, but unless u have smth else i don't buy that I like dan here. His kaif read is good. I think vertigo is also probably town but idk if they've been going for other ppls opinions. How do you feel about TOS and Gary here, they are similar to Kaif and Veritgo in terms that they both feel like they are fake active, do you think they are just lazy town or do you think that either of them could be scum that’s taking opportunity of the huge amount of filler to make excuses as to not have reads and to not really contribute I believe I tried to make the tone as memey as possible on purpose! Also erry had like 2 votes or smth idk, they were by no means an easy push. In fact, I did not even try to case them like I did with sheep. I saw them talking so I was like why not vote them to see how they'd respond, while also laying a trap. Votes can be moved for a reason might as well utilize ur votes as much as u can instead of staying stagnant and getting little info from the vote Also I don't think anyone who called me out would've been sr'd. I'd have taken it on a more case to case basis. If they decided to hard push me based on just that, I'd 100% have voted them. If they're like 'yo wallape ur shift makes no sense explain' I probably wouldn't have I guess I just didn’t pick up on the memey tone, and it doesn’t make sense to me to use a memey tone instead of just say what you were thinking. But i’ll give you benefit of the doubt here I can see where you are coming from from the perspective of the trap, it doesn’t seem like an effective trap imo, but once again I can kind of see where you were coming from. Though you can see how it’s suspicious right? like imagine I just right now randomly shifted to Vertigo (while i’ve been somewhat questioning/ pushing you) and when I get called out for the vote my explanation is “I shifted onto Vertigo to pressure them and also it was a trap for if anyone Scumread me from it they would be suspicious for it”. It FEELS like a lazy excuse. I’m not saying it is from you, but you can see why it seems like that, right? I mean yeah I can see it from ur perspective. I think the context that my vote staying on sheep would be kinda useless in solving him until he woke up is important Yeah that’s completely fair. It is a good thing to diversify votes to apply pressure to slots you aren’t sure about, I guess the fact that it was that slot in particular felt weird to me at the time, but also thought that slot had a lot more votes than it already did! I’m honestly kind of just happy that there’s finally someone here who’s active, cause this is the first time i’ve really been invested in a mafia game in a while, and everyone seems afk or just fillering. Also I may be really dumb saying this, and I might accidentally name all town. But since I might be gone for the next day due to a conflict in schedule, I might as well throw out some current scumteam reads. And once again this is completely speculative and isn’t meant to be taken too seriously. Wallape+ Gary + Quo + Some player who hasn’t spoken at all I don’t know who the 4th player would be (im also making this on the assumption that the main faction has 4 players since that seems the most logical) But i’ve given reasons on Wallape, and honestly I could see a world where this is scum Gary and where Veteran is right about Quo. + I feel like if Wallape is scum with gary and Quo they’d go for the safe choice and put a Null read on both of them to avoid association if either die and flip scum!! Once again this is completely speculative and not anything concrete, it just was a thought that popped up in my head, and felt way too possible for me not to mention PTSD doesn't really keep up the level of aggression and is more concerned about how he is presenting himself in his interactions with Wallape, it comes across that he's not interested in getting more info from the slot, and is more so like "I cased him well ok done deal let me just look town now" Especially when ddlc keep posting your mom jokes but you didn't bother saying a word about it. CLASSIC DEFLECTION idk why I felt the need to select this, ddlc is right though I'm catching up it seems like sheep really thought he just owned scorr on page 5 when he did not i like him dont know why I selected this either Having faction reads in the first content post is pretty out there, but it served its purpose of starting discussion and seems NAI to me. You're last post is just eugh. Vote quojovaI'm latching onto the distraction bit in particular as the weirdest part of ptsd's post because to me it indicates that the post is busywork it looks like ptsd did not even consider for a second if that postulation could be true and that is weird to me if he is writing the post for anything other than appearance I want him to respond though because there is quite possibly something I cannot think of that tos could be distracting from?? but it currently does not make sense to me Yeah this response is solid +1ing this all the way, on page 12 rn
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Post by quojova on Jun 26, 2021 20:56:19 GMT
i afked too long my bad
im rereading from the beginning
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 20:59:39 GMT
this is just an OMGUS because I know that you are scum It is literally feeding any scorr / ptsd narrative I can make, but doesn't help you figure out pkq's slot imo it's very ew I guess it’s important to note, that I asked that question not because I was trying to defend Scorch, but because I wanted to try and get something, literally anything out of PKQ. Asking for possible partners, I was hoping PKQ would give a response on possible partners. I just wanted to try and generate specific discussion from that slot, because they seem purposely trying to ignore making reads
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 20:59:51 GMT
i afked too long my bad im rereading from the beginning See you tomorrow!
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Post by quojova on Jun 26, 2021 21:01:21 GMT
i afked too long my bad im rereading from the beginning See you tomorrow! :VigVig:
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Post by spiderz on Jun 26, 2021 21:05:59 GMT
I was referring to ptsd post not quo's. I don't agree with quo voting ptsd for ptsd's read post. Making excuses for later is why quojova's last post is bad in general, but also the awkwardness they are referring to today would be ptsd or maybe tos. Seems like a cop out for voting ptsd. what excuses was I making for later ftr I felt awkwardness in almost every semi-new player who had posted up until that point in my first post I called it scumminess but after more thought I realized I had little idea which it was I'm pretty sure separating Bad Town and Scum is what you are thinking of. unvote ptsdit is pretty clear to me atp that he just really wants to progress the game from what I've seen of ptsd's scumgames I don't really think he goes in this hard if he doesn't actually care about solving hard to explain why exactly but I feel pretty confident in this What games did you look at If you are reading this post, consider my vote on vertigo as of right now. I am saying this because I do not think everyone is reading every post. I do not want to vote right now, because as I predict that as a group, town will spaz out and cfd if they see anyone at a high amount of votes without any substaintial counterwagon attempts being made. This looks like it came from town mindset, didn't go over their read post in depth bc I want to catch up but it looked fine from what I read 1. quojova: Town lean. 2nd line in [.] feels like town quo along with other stuff 2. passthesaltdude: Probably town. Disagree with most of his takes, but seems like it comes from town pov. Gameplay different than when he is scum (more willing to say things such as scum reads) 3. Kaif: Neutral. Appears pro-town but nothing a scum!Kaif couldn't pull off 4. Veteran Padgett: Can't tell. Not enough breadcrumbs to piece together 5. ddlcfan69: Town lean. Gut 6. Sheep★Go★Moo: Town lean. Hard to understand what is going on in their head 7. Gary The Savage: Slight town lean. Doesn't seem to be dishonest, but has not done much to advance gamestate. 8. termsofservice: Can't tell. Would guess Jester if bastard roles weren't confirmed non-existent. 9. Ocean: Town lean. Gut 10. Vertigo: Scum. He is sus like the imposter from the popular game among us. 11. erry: Town. Very obv (excuse for being too lazy to write complicated explanation) 12. snackers: Gone 13. mightycannon: Might as well be gone. 14. blurb: Gone. eblurb if u r reading this u r motogp 16. wallape: Town. Highly doubt that scum fabricates such a convoluted thought process. 17. NewsDan: Town lean. Gut+ 18. Brady1014: Gone 19. pkq: Scum lean. Immediate iioa (real iioa as opposed to sheeps' definition) when they entered the game and pretty much avoids everything else. I am delusional. Furthermore i would like to retract my iioa statement, i missread his lines when I was tired and continued to argue with said tiredness, i can see now that there was analysis of what was happening. But i still stand by the fact that I feel they should have explained further what made them think it was genuine/wasn’t Weird retraction and claim of misreading, do you mean like you misread his alignment or post After rereading the game so far it really bothers how so of you are making your reads. Granted that should be enough to vote one of you, but since this is closed setup and using my vote is very important. ?? I said day 1 fillering is bad but I want Ddlcfan69 to make better reads than that so Vote Ddlcfan69Id love for you to elaborate! What about my reads do you not think is good enough and what specifically do you take issue with. Oh wait this mf has 0 reads of his own outside of the one he made on me ic. Well isnt that wonderful? This looks like town DDLC Tbh Ddlcfan69 your reads lack basis this is why i am on you like pressuring the afk slots is good imo They do have basis if you actually read his posts, I feel like you are saying this because DDLC looks messy Vertigo fam u need to do more than just call ppl out who r voting u. I think ur town lock at the moment of me making this post tho u have 69 posts total Pkq is also playing kinda passive here. How is he town lock when you literally just gave a reason he wasn't More prodding when you haven't done much at all Kaif I thinkwe can see this day as vertigo vs Ddlcfan69 whoever goes the other gets lynched tommorow imo so you can say this is a SvT Altho this is an actual troll post, don't know how lazy and inexperienced you have to be to post this as town
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 21:14:22 GMT
It is literally feeding any scorr / ptsd narrative I can make, but doesn't help you figure out pkq's slot imo it's very ew I guess it’s important to note, that I asked that question not because I was trying to defend Scorch, but because I wanted to try and get something, literally anything out of PKQ. Asking for possible partners, I was hoping PKQ would give a response on possible partners. I just wanted to try and generate specific discussion from that slot, because they seem purposely trying to ignore making reads pkqgive us a readlist for every player
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 21:16:47 GMT
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Post by OM~! on Jun 26, 2021 21:17:19 GMT
Don't wanna be the bandwagoner here, but I'm leaning PKQ as well. TOS has been straight-up gone, and Ocean's 1 post makes a bit of sense, so for now I'm gonna give him a v small benefit of the doubt for his inactivity/weird d1 (although, as I said d1, town ocean is almost never as passive as he was d1). Other slots to watch rn: veteran, who hasn't really advanced town discussion much; Quo & OM, who are also hardcore gone, and for the fun of it, what happened to everyone SRing Gary and then dropping it? So like What Are Your Thoughts On The Actual Active Players Then
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Post by spiderz on Jun 26, 2021 21:18:30 GMT
I thinkwe can see this day as vertigo vs Ddlcfan69 whoever goes the other gets lynched tommorow imo so you can say this is a SvT mightycanon LOOOOOOOOOOL WHAT IS THAT POST parked until he dies or I die btw Can you explain why this is a slip? What scenario plays out in your head when you hear Mighty say that, if he's Mafia who spewed information, what info does it spew wrt vertigo/ddlc? Can you figure out the reason behind this post if you consider it a hard slip? its a lazy post trying to establish svt (between 2 people where its not svt lol). I don't think it sheds any light on vertigo / ddlc and I plan to ignore those 2 today. You're catching yourself there there's a dissonance between you wanting them voted out with vigour and what the read on them stems from if you say they slipped, there has to be something town cannot reasonably say because either a) it's a mechanical impossibility meaning they lied b) they're showing too much knowledge about game which is unreasonable to have as a townie you're chalking it up to be a 'lazy post establishing svt' where even a little surface reading shows how vertigo and ddlc have been going at each other so it's far from farfetched, and you're decided on it not being svt as part of the reason why said post is bad which automatically means that like, if you think mighty is scum; you're going to be sold on town verti/ddlc because you think it can't possibly be svt? I think triple scum is way too ambitious to be in your thoughts rn so yeah tldr this doesn't make sense; start making some Litt is lock town for these posts btw if I was scum I'd kill scorr here cuz he's the only one trying. Step up ur gamessssss relax bro don't kill me half my reads are just gut reads anyways Kaif tried pocketing theaph I forgot to say this !_! tbh I'd much rather have an afk slot have plur then verti currently, considering their is nothing they're adding to the discussion, though my one worry is that they flip as a pr. Who do you have in mind what do you think of Vertigo vs ddlc and his wagon now. While we're on the topic of this can we talk about what Gary The Savage did yesterday of dropping around 5 or 7 posts and than dipping to lurk. I know I was also prone to this but I still want to address it so it's possible we can shift to him assuming it's necessary. While we are talking about vertigo he was my rvs but I've been reluctant to get off because I don't find anything he's said to be rather townie and ddlc has brung some decent points on vertigo that make me eerie about him. Ok so Ocean does this questioning thing as town on PS mafia, it might be faked for pmeta purposes but just noting this. I think I might have overreacted to mighty yesterday putting his statement into his iso his progression seems kinda clear to me and I also kinda get a gut town vibe from them (minus the svt thing). He responded kinda decently to pressure from me and kaif as well. unvote mighty Im kinda lost rn something feels odd about game state and I can't quite put my finger on it. Feel like scum is just low posting bc I tl quite a few active ppl rn. Might end voting b/w sheep and pkq. I feel like sheep has been better recently but he's probably the worst for me out of all active ppl atm. I see a lot of ppl stating a ton of tr's but pkq comes in saying he susses a lot of ppl so interested in hearing what he has to say about people. Does pkq normally play this passive? Really lost on how you think Mighty's response was good and thought his progression was clear to you I feel like I'm being gaslit bc I remember TOS's post that I called out being a lot more passive than it was. It IS passive, and he's been passive all game, but like I don't remember why I hated it as much as I did at the time. Also, Cannon's ddlc vs vertigo svt read was weak and lazy, esp when ddlc's logic hasn't been too bad. Seems like he's trying to capitalize on chaos. Note to town-- we really need to get off nv, so we need to organize. I can work with verti/tos/cannon (pkq is probs a 2nd tier sl for me rn)-- but we have to use our votes. For now, vote vertigo . Ily verti but ur scum. This seems like a bandwagon imo moreover can you explain Ddlcfan69's reads on vertigo for me and how they make sense I feel like it's a waste to even address Mighty's post since we all know that they are either coming from Misguided town or Scum, purely bc of how much logic they lack, like he accuses of Dan bandwagoning despite dan actually having progression on the slot l m a o, im on 21 btw
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 21:33:02 GMT
what excuses was I making for later ftr I felt awkwardness in almost every semi-new player who had posted up until that point in my first post I called it scumminess but after more thought I realized I had little idea which it was I'm pretty sure separating Bad Town and Scum is what you are thinking of. unvote ptsdit is pretty clear to me atp that he just really wants to progress the game from what I've seen of ptsd's scumgames I don't really think he goes in this hard if he doesn't actually care about solving hard to explain why exactly but I feel pretty confident in this What games did you look at If you are reading this post, consider my vote on vertigo as of right now. I am saying this because I do not think everyone is reading every post. I do not want to vote right now, because as I predict that as a group, town will spaz out and cfd if they see anyone at a high amount of votes without any substaintial counterwagon attempts being made. This looks like it came from town mindset, didn't go over their read post in depth bc I want to catch up but it looked fine from what I read I am delusional. Furthermore i would like to retract my iioa statement, i missread his lines when I was tired and continued to argue with said tiredness, i can see now that there was analysis of what was happening. But i still stand by the fact that I feel they should have explained further what made them think it was genuine/wasn’t Weird retraction and claim of misreading, do you mean like you misread his alignment or postAfter rereading the game so far it really bothers how so of you are making your reads. Granted that should be enough to vote one of you, but since this is closed setup and using my vote is very important. ?? Id love for you to elaborate! What about my reads do you not think is good enough and what specifically do you take issue with. Oh wait this mf has 0 reads of his own outside of the one he made on me ic. Well isnt that wonderful? This looks like town DDLC Tbh Ddlcfan69 your reads lack basis this is why i am on you like pressuring the afk slots is good imo They do have basis if you actually read his posts, I feel like you are saying this because DDLC looks messy Vertigo fam u need to do more than just call ppl out who r voting u. I think ur town lock at the moment of me making this post tho u have 69 posts total Pkq is also playing kinda passive here. How is he town lock when you literally just gave a reason he wasn't More prodding when you haven't done much at all Kaif I thinkwe can see this day as vertigo vs Ddlcfan69 whoever goes the other gets lynched tommorow imo so you can say this is a SvT Altho this is an actual troll post, don't know how lazy and inexperienced you have to be to post this as town basically, I was misinterpreting what was being said under the illusion that their wasn't analysis, but after rereading I had missread the post and their was analysis, what was lacking was explanation, which due to my lack of brain work, I said was lack of analysis.
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 21:34:29 GMT
you can see in the original post where the analysis was, saying 1 post was genuine whilst the other wasn't. I just felt it wasn't explained WHY the posts felt disingenuous, which speaking of ScorrchingTheaph why did some of those posts feel disingenuous?
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Post by spiderz on Jun 26, 2021 21:35:53 GMT
I'd honestly vote mighty the cw over vertigo here vote: mighty In the world Mighty was scum, vertigo and ddlc were town. unfortunately mafia is not anime, tsundereing is not going to help you If y'all wanna see my role just wait for me to flip, I don't want to reveal my role, then we counterwagon someone that is probably town. Btw if I reveal my role it loses all of its utility. This was town tho tbh, but Vert shoulda claimed. I deleted some of my quotes cuz they didn't matter after EoD, Kaif looked more like town Kaif eod but I'm surprised he got nked so I might look into that more, that EoD was horrendous to read and I read past it fast so I could catch up but dear god.
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 26, 2021 21:42:21 GMT
It is literally feeding any scorr / ptsd narrative I can make, but doesn't help you figure out pkq's slot imo it's very ew I guess it’s important to note, that I asked that question not because I was trying to defend Scorch, but because I wanted to try and get something, literally anything out of PKQ. Asking for possible partners, I was hoping PKQ would give a response on possible partners. I just wanted to try and generate specific discussion from that slot, because they seem purposely trying to ignore making readsAnd you seem purposely trying to draw attention and focus only on this slot since d1 eod, may I ask why ?
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 22:01:46 GMT
I guess it’s important to note, that I asked that question not because I was trying to defend Scorch, but because I wanted to try and get something, literally anything out of PKQ. Asking for possible partners, I was hoping PKQ would give a response on possible partners. I just wanted to try and generate specific discussion from that slot, because they seem purposely trying to ignore making readsAnd you seem purposely trying to draw attention and focus only on this slot since d1 eod, may I ask why ? This is just blatantly not true. I’ve given a lot of my thoughts on Ocean and Newsdan as well. + Some stuff on gary and sheep. (because I think Wallape was pretty right when he said that Ocean+Sheep is a possible scumteam) But looking at the EOD 1 wagons, it’s quite clear that at least one scum can be found on PKQs wagon/ PKQ is scum that was being wagoned. The only reason why there’s more stuff on PKQ from me today, then ocean, is because ocean has been less active, and PKQ has been fairly active. I just made a read post pretty recently, and that gives a quick look at most of my reads, but a lot of those reads aren’t worth pursuing to me as a lot of the people are AFK. So i’ve been trying to focus on more active slots that I SR, since I can get a better read based on them.
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Post by spiderz on Jun 26, 2021 22:03:36 GMT
I hate mafia and I hate life. Scum pls kill me Nice over reaction Gotta love a pr kill night 1 It's a CS mighty unvote is interesting to note bars for days haven't touched sheep I'll probably do so in a little from what I've played with PKQ I don't find a difference in like their approach to the game; the playstyle is theirs but it's not AI i don't think passive is the right word for this, more like, his posts aren't gelling with gamestate though I haven't read it and am speaking from memory For anyone who wants to know my playstyle. My approach to the game is to look at all the facts before I go pushing anyone. When I make reads I want to make sure I make good reads because messing up to me can be deadly. PKQ Playing for appearances :]]] Can you give more examples if that’s alright! I think I might’ve not made it clear enough, but this was not a proper read. This was more of a response to vertigo lynching me after my meme rvs on sheep. PTSD Also playing for appearances Unvote Snackers Vote NewsDan for the reasons I evoked at the eod Vert Please stop OMGUSing gm, I can claim now because I used my ability yday and it's one shot. Basically once in the game, when I use my ability, I will form a group with all the people that targeted me during the night, and I'll be able to talk with them in another chat (it won't reveal their alignment tho). Since I used it last night and I don't have a chat, I guess no one targeted me, hence I have zero abilities now and am just Vanilla Townie. I'll ask questions later bc I'm at school. Godammit well… thats almost believable well I’m not saying I tr vertigo now out of the blue cuz I don’t want to believe I was wrong about my push on them but… Back to square one I suppose You dropped this so quick considering like, A. That could be his role as scum NGL, B. It's pretty convenient that he doesn't have a chat so no one can confirm Kaif seemed to have a flow for the game and he was looking for info on who was scum. PKQ Is just saying stuff For all those people who are going to say well kaif scum read you. That was under the basis that I was lurking the whole time towards the end of the deadline, but in reality, I just had the mafia pro board website on a tab while I was making sure everything was ok from the power outage I had. Yes it's not like you have 24 hours to decide your night actions or anything Vote PKQBefore go to reads i'll just give My thoughts on kills. Kaif I expected to die for many reasons he had a townie presence and majority could agree he was town. It's also better than fearkilling as Anyone could have killed kaif which is why I think if a vig didn't shoot litt most likely didn't mafia or whatever the main faction is shot kaif and the solo scum shot litt. Solo scum shooting litt makes sense to me as they could have sred litt and it's more valuable to kill mafia whenever you get the chance. I'll post readlist soon and I'll answer any questions anyone has. Ocean focusing on the NK like this is is townie, but Litt was very town tbh idk why you are BWing on News's analysis there. Also I do think PKQ probs fearkilled kaif. before anything ill claim gunsmith I don’t know why you’d claim but you do you We should really all claim esp with that OS thing :]]]] BTW I just find it funny how people are just buying the notion that I fearkill kaif and they barely been active so far today. No clue Um?? How u know his role is os? all active roles are OS, host disclosed it at the start of the game Did not know this Vertigo did you know this when you claimed that your role lost all utility if you claimed?
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Post by spiderz on Jun 26, 2021 22:20:19 GMT
BTW I rushed my catch-up at the end so I missed a lot of the bigger recent posts which I'll read in a bit, I love 16p but dead thread tbh:]]]]]]]]]], don't think I've interacted enough to make a full read list but slots I don't really like are Erry, Dan, PKQ, Wallape for now, I am also not that attentive rn because I am dealing with some IRL stuff so I'll try to respond for shit but I won't really get into posting in about 2-3 hours.
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 26, 2021 22:27:16 GMT
all active roles are OS, host disclosed it at the start of the game Did not know this Vertigo did you know this when you claimed that your role lost all utility if you claimed? I forgot about it when I claimed, but I think scept told something like that. I used my abil already so it doesn't matter anymore for me
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