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Post by wallape on Jul 11, 2021 5:12:48 GMT
yeah I'm not making my decision now anyways you should sleep
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 5:16:32 GMT
im gonna try my hand at this welp i guess its just quo then ddlc has some stuff going strongly for and against him for town!ddlc -engaged in vert v ddlc 1v1 instead of opting to stay utr do you think that's out of the range of 3pscum!ddlc?like you can kinda see this is in my 3p game as well but i think the nature of playing 3p is that you are put in just as proactive a position are you are with town because you have partners to back you up-townie tone all i can really do here is ask you for the lines you think are not in ddlc's scumrange again and discuss on a case by case basis-om kill most of the time doesn't come from ddlc why not
also fwiw does it come from me?
(also do i kill snackers and throw the game)against town!ddlc -sheep kill (fearkill possibility) -vertigo vote on d3 as for quo he's just poe atp but ill see mm Sure I can take a hand at this too... First of all i feel its very strange that you are forgot that you townread me the entire game up until this point and at one point townlocked me if only for a second .I feel like you can answer that yourself. Also why are you putting the 3p role in a box here. I think 3p easily can go under the radar by hiding until they feel like they can come out when wnough ppl are gone, which i feel thats exactly what you did. Also one of the first posts OM ever made was that I was townlock If I was scum I would have never let him go |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 5:17:01 GMT
sleep sounds nice...
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 5:20:55 GMT
oh wait and litt kill makes perfect sense from 3pscumddlc although i wont pretend like thats any strong evidence ig last thing ill say b4 i go to bed too is why do you assume 3p killed litt? I had no idea who killed who there so why are you certian? |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 5:21:41 GMT
im gonna try my hand at this Sure I can take a hand at this too... First of all i feel its very strange that you are forgot that you townread me the entire game up until this point and at one point townlocked me if only for a second .I feel like you can answer that yourself. Also why are you putting the 3p role in a box here. I think 3p easily can go under the radar by hiding until they feel like they can come out when wnough ppl are gone, which i feel thats exactly what you did. Also one of the first posts OM ever made was that I was townlock If I was scum I would have never let him go my claim here is that in hindsight it is probably in your 3pscumrange, not that it makes you actually 3pscum necessarily because you are right that there are many approaches to playing 3p i have actually not made any case for you actually being scum yet tbh which is something i have to figure out but yea if i had a case that i thought was strong that you are scum i would not have highly townread you prior to being put in this position where i know you are scum |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 5:22:22 GMT
oh wait and litt kill makes perfect sense from 3pscumddlc although i wont pretend like thats any strong evidence ig last thing ill say b4 i go to bed too is why do you assume 3p killed litt? I had no idea who killed who there so why are you certian? part of the reason i said its not at all strong evidence just a passing thought i had for the most part but like the kill does make sense in my mind |
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Post by wallape on Jul 11, 2021 9:16:06 GMT
ok locktown ddlc and wallape altho they were both already very high town bleh find it unlikely quo sets up this lylo after saying this killing snackers was a bad play for him so unless he went for the suboptimal play if i was quo i always kill {Ddlc scorr Wallape} snackers kill makes much more sense from ddlc perspective bc he doesn't want to kill any active since they all tr him but ddlc's claim is much more believable bc of how much more nuanced (is this the word?) it is quo's claim very much sounds like a rolecop which is more likely to be seen with scum but is it likely there are effectively 2 commuters most of quo's iso is alright but there is nothing spectacular to it i suppose. I highly disliked his mech solving early lylo because mech solving is much more of a scum play but can come from town too i suppose |
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Post by wallape on Jul 11, 2021 9:33:52 GMT
Idk why but currently TOS feels like mafia to me. Mainly because the amount they are fillering and how they keep posting a lot of nothing, it feels scummy to me but it doesn’t feel like a solo scum move. Maybe like it’s to distract people from something else And it’s only been 2 lines so this means nothing, but Gary feels like solo scum to me. His hostility towards TOS feels way too aggressive, and I associate aggressiveness with scum, but gary doesn’t feel like he’d be partners with TOS from that line either. So gary feels like solo scum This is the first thing i wanted to respond to... First of all this is the most basic and god awful read i saw in my first skimming of the game. As far as I can tell terms of service has been the most active player in the game and ya know hes shifted alot and generally been unhelpful, I see no reason why someone who isnt town would do act like he has in the beginning of the game. He is playing without fear which is something i respect. Also why is there solo scum in this???hmmmmmmmmmm how did you know there was solo scum in this??? Is it because YOU are solo scum???????? |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 12:32:03 GMT
ok locktown ddlc and wallape altho they were both already very high town bleh find it unlikely quo sets up this lylo after saying this killing snackers was a bad play for him so unless he went for the suboptimal play if i was quo i always kill {Ddlc scorr Wallape} snackers kill makes much more sense from ddlc perspective bc he doesn't want to kill any active since they all tr him but ddlc's claim is much more believable bc of how much more nuanced (is this the word?) it is quo's claim very much sounds like a rolecop which is more likely to be seen with scum but is it likely there are effectively 2 commuters most of quo's iso is alright but there is nothing spectacular to it i suppose. I highly disliked his mech solving early lylo because mech solving is much more of a scum play but can come from town too i suppose for what it's worth for the most part my role gives the "no action" result unless i catch the exact night a player used an OS action (or a scum who killed) so it's much more situational than a rolecop also i think my mech solving at start of day today made a lot of sense basically i came into today having mechanically cleared both of you, but then I knew that at least one of those clears was incorrect. i thought it was likely that if I just looked over all the mechanical evidence again before doing any content reads there would be a clear player whose mechanical clear held up to scrutiny while the other one did not and that is what happened the plan was basically to see if I could solve it objectively with mech first and then try more shaky content reads if that was not fruitful |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 12:38:52 GMT
i dont really get how you expect me not to try to mechsolve on lylo when ive cleared both of you on mech before
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Post by wallape on Jul 11, 2021 12:44:05 GMT
yeah i know but i just dislike mech solving since its an easy way to ease into the thread from scum
probably kinda dumb to value as much
feel like i might be tunelling ddlc here a bit but bleh
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Post by wallape on Jul 11, 2021 12:45:57 GMT
wait why did I claim asceticized smh I'm mostly towning newsdan atp until maybe much later unless anyone has a compelling reason not to why shouldn't you say you're ascetized? |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 13:07:54 GMT
wait why did I claim asceticized smh I'm mostly towning newsdan atp until maybe much later unless anyone has a compelling reason not to why shouldn't you say you're ascetized? bc scum can kill me for free without fearing doc/etc |
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Post by wallape on Jul 11, 2021 15:38:04 GMT
ddlcfan69 what did you feel weird about this particular post of OM's?
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 17:54:17 GMT
Hey Hey!
It seems you guys continued playing without me we cant have that so...
Watch this drive
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 17:59:12 GMT
ok locktown ddlc and wallape altho they were both already very high town bleh find it unlikely quo sets up this lylo after saying this killing snackers was a bad play for him so unless he went for the suboptimal play if i was quo i always kill {Ddlc scorr Wallape} snackers kill makes much more sense from ddlc perspective bc he doesn't want to kill any active since they all tr him but ddlc's claim is much more believable bc of how much more nuanced (is this the word?) it is quo's claim very much sounds like a rolecop which is more likely to be seen with scum but is it likely there are effectively 2 commuters most of quo's iso is alright but there is nothing spectacular to it i suppose. I highly disliked his mech solving early lylo because mech solving is much more of a scum play but can come from town too i suppose I feel like why would he say that he townlocked both of us just to pretend he had no idea about the things that we were cleared by? I also think he wanted to kill one of us but when he tried the first time to kill you i stopped it and the next time he was scared of garys jk. Also I said this b4 but the "mech solving" seemed very fake to me cuz it seemed like he pretended not to know things he had known in earlier days like dans hide. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 18:04:50 GMT
why shouldn't you say you're ascetized? bc scum can kill me for free without fearing doc/etc I still dont get why you assumed the ascetized part was a bastard part of your role? Also I feel like maybe you claiming ascetized then saying "o frick i shouldnt hav done that" was because you were trying to get scum to not crosskill you the next night by downplaying your supposed pr? |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 18:14:17 GMT
ddlcfan69 what did you feel weird about this particular post of OM's? Also this I mainly just thought it was odd how quickly OM was to sr Vertigo as hard as he did near almost the end of the day. Like OM didnt anything on vertigo I remember, yet basically told me im throwing cuz "i was jetlagged" and I should go back to vertigo because he didnt like his reads. It was maybe something i would have pushed further push if erry had flipped scum AND OM had lived but that did not happen and also like I dont actually know HOW hard I would have pushed OM there I just wanted to bring attention to it at the time |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 22:53:14 GMT
ddlc everything i say about you atp is admittedly very confbiasy but it feels like you are just casting random lines out and hoping they stick
what in the world would be my scum motivation for pretending I forgot that newsdan visited wallape then monologueing for an hour to remember that it happened
what does that accomplish at all
and like ok
the point about the ascetic thing is just completely incoherent
how is that ever "downplaying my supposed pr"
what scum is going to look at my claimed and used one-shot action and decide that my role actually has less utility to kill when the only thing that really changes is that im easier to kill
there is just no logic here
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 22:53:46 GMT
now i gotta figure out how i make a towncase for me a scumcase for ddlc
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 23:33:12 GMT
ddlc everything i say about you atp is admittedly very confbiasy but it feels like you are just casting random lines out and hoping they stick what in the world would be my scum motivation for pretending I forgot that newsdan visited wallape then monologueing for an hour to remember that it happened what does that accomplish at all and like ok the point about the ascetic thing is just completely incoherent how is that ever "downplaying my supposed pr" what scum is going to look at my claimed and used one-shot action and decide that my role actually has less utility to kill when the only thing that really changes is that im easier to kill there is just no logic here Sir I do believe I said already about why I think youd pretend to be unaware of the clearing action but id be to reiterate. It seems to me you tried to seem genuinly unaware of these actions so you could basically use your "hour monolouge" to basically make it seem like you couldnt have possibly been scum if you just now figured out that wallape was clear. I also think you may have geniunly slipped about the ascetized part. How am I supposed to believe you thought you had some bastard part of your role that you couldnt tell us about, then later saying "oops thats not what happened". I feel like you definetly had a plan to make the ascetize part some addition to your role then realized that was dum and tore it down. Now when I bring it up you want to try as hard as you can to make it seem like my arguement is irrelevent and an mess but i definetly feel like I found a hole here |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jul 11, 2021 23:38:49 GMT
now i gotta figure out how i make a towncase for me a scumcase for ddlc Wonderful! |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 23:44:46 GMT
ddlc everything i say about you atp is admittedly very confbiasy but it feels like you are just casting random lines out and hoping they stick what in the world would be my scum motivation for pretending I forgot that newsdan visited wallape then monologueing for an hour to remember that it happened what does that accomplish at all and like ok the point about the ascetic thing is just completely incoherent how is that ever "downplaying my supposed pr" what scum is going to look at my claimed and used one-shot action and decide that my role actually has less utility to kill when the only thing that really changes is that im easier to kill there is just no logic here Sir I do believe I said already about why I think youd pretend to be unaware of the clearing action but id be to reiterate. It seems to me you tried to seem genuinly unaware of these actions so you could basically use your "hour monolouge" to basically make it seem like you couldnt have possibly been scum if you just now figured out that wallape was clear. I also think you may have geniunly slipped about the ascetized part. How am I supposed to believe you thought you had some bastard part of your role that you couldnt tell us about, then later saying "oops thats not what happened". I feel like you definetly had a plan to make the ascetize part some addition to your role then realized that was dum and tore it down. Now when I bring it up you want to try as hard as you can to make it seem like my arguement is irrelevent and an mess but i definetly feel like I found a hole here how does the idea that i talked to myself a bunch and then I remembered the newsdan visiting wallape thing after an hour and not immediately after i started connect at all to me not possibly being scum there is no connection there and I would not expect there to be one for me to be able to clear myself for the record about the asceticized thing this is a completely different argument that you are making in this post compared to what you just said in the previous post (in the other one the claim was that I used the "oops thats not what happened" strategically whereas here you say that I said that because I thought it was dumb which are two distinct things (and yet you say you are "definitely" confident in this??)), I would think because there is no actual coherent line of logic where me mistaking the information in my role pm is a sound scum strategy im not even saying this makes me town but... it sure as hell doesn't make me scum |
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Post by quojova on Jul 11, 2021 23:52:34 GMT
Ocean was not targeted with the nk lol So I think Gary's JK blocked the action or it was ddlc's or snacker's action fwiw this is probably not something I start postulating immediately as 3p because it quickly leads to a world where I'm just at the bottom of the poe, esp. if consensus becomes that gary is semiclear |
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Post by quojova on Jul 12, 2021 0:09:24 GMT
i skimmed my iso and tbh that was kinda the only thing i found that I felt was somewhat out of my 3prange
I do think some of my activity towards d3/d4 (esp when read in context) starts to go more towards generating reads and playing because I am clearly most invested in finding the rest of the scum because I'm experiencing kind of a "town thrill" than because I want to look townie but that is a very self-pmeta take im not necessarily expecting you to buy
I think the strongest thing pointing to a town me is that adding up the snackers nightkill my lylo plan would just be pretty incoherent
maybe i would try to avoid the jk super hard as scum??? but i seriously doubt it when it leads to this lylo which looks pretty bad to me (I mean look at the argument I am making here I think it's pretty clear that I would not count my gameplan on this argument working out) and I need snackers alive to comfortably survive
also occurs to me that even if I as hypothetical scum miss an nk due to an OS action in that position it doesn't change parity and town would have to nl anyway
if you think i wouldn't have run through that calculation as 3p tryharding in that position you are fooling yourself
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