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Post by lindauna on Apr 27, 2023 14:55:40 GMT
Damn, scum rlly got doctor n1 ;;
It's a bit late for me right now, so I'll list my thoughts here and follow up in the morning. So far I think from interactions with flipped scum CCGeek is possible town, definitely not ice mafia due to the Clemens vanity. Also kind of funny scum hit Myan (who was, at that point, one of the major SRs from D1). Scorr is the only strong town read I can see so far. On the other hand, these are a few slots I'd like to look further into as potential SRs:
1. Schiavetto - they've been rather skeptical so far which I liked, and their reads seemed solid. However their interactions with Clemens and simultaneous push on Cyan strikes me as a bit strange. With the Myan flip and their late ish vote on the Clemens wagon at a point he was almost universally scumread makes me reconsider if they're town. They also made a comment about how Cyan could be scum of an opposing faction to Clemens which seems like TMI for me.
2. Akakakp - Constant vote shifting from Clemens to CCGeek to MyanMario, was this an attempt to save Clemens by voting a weaker SR? Their posts and tone are fine, I just don't understand the triple shift here and I feel this could be a potential Clemens partner.
3. Cyan Talon - A lot of their reads seem to stem from a single interaction between Schiavetto and Clemens, and most of their interactions so far have been with schia if I'm not mistaken. I feel Schia and Cyan is a potential s/t or s/s cross. Their tunnel and inquiries to myself and responses to Schia seem genuine, but their alignment remains ambiguous.
I'll be back with hopefully more content in the morning, gn
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 15:24:29 GMT
gn Ailura if they are scum they obviously have to be fire maf What if I hardclaim ice scum, right now  Fr tho, all I have to say is that @ cyan 1. I'm well aware pmeta is not a valid defense, but I think it might be the only defense I can give myself to your accusation. I'm aware I'm not exactly playing this game exactly how I do when I actively try to solve from the start, but I'm just using this as a relaxing game to casually play and actively play on the backfoot, rather than taking this too seriously. But yes, I frankly don't care if I'm scum to you, but I enjoy being inside the game and taking a more side role than actually duking it out front and centre. To make my activity issues clear, classes have started and I'm barely free in the day, except for the few following hours from now. @aka Dactyl has been a nonexistent slot with the only thing in their ISO being a Clems vote, that too pretty early in the game. Considering Mr Townleader over here considers me the prime push for the fire scum slot, do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 15:24:45 GMT
tf why is that emote so blursed
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 17:31:25 GMT
sheesh no one exists rn huh. i'll be available to talk for another hour or so until I hit the sack
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Post by frogo on Apr 27, 2023 17:44:37 GMT
cyan is way too head over heels for the clemens push for me to think it's a town push currently
his whole iso is pushing clems lol
also he doesnt show much flexibility in a multiball game
i think cyan genuinely believes he found a scum in clem
i just think cyan is scum too
dactyl had more posts than i remembered
i think he's worse than ccgeek
ccgeek hasnt rlly contributed much but is tonally pure
dactyl worse by those metrics
saving clems for ccgeek means i have to watch cyan push him nonstop d2 again
Most significant thing I can gain from FTF's iso is that they were one of two people who had SR'd Cyan (the other being Schia iirc) and likely would have pushed Cyan if they were alive. They were also literally the only person to say something about Dactyl and said thing was an SR. Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) But either way I think one of Cyan/Dact flips scum. |
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Post by frogo on Apr 27, 2023 17:46:27 GMT
do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? Unsure what this question means. I guess my answer is both? |
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Post by frogo on Apr 27, 2023 17:55:01 GMT
but back to ccgeek: they have one bout of activity and it occurred in pages 5-6 of the forum, where the only thing they really did was... respond to an activity check. oh hi i do exist i swear i posted a msg about my activity last night (that I was busy with classes) but apparently, it isn't here wtf anyways I think I have some votes on me, judging by the past few msgs, I have to read up why are we doing d1 this seriously considering this is just page 6 of boards. anyways: i read up and gutreads: i like cyan, aka, scorr and schia, in that order. myan feels non-existent in comparison to clems, the push itself feels weird but it's d1, right? some people (like me) should learn to exist (I'm looking at u ZoL, ihbst, thunder) ailura and dactyl feels nai so far. looking forward to playing with ftf. also Kage Cyan I've been playing mafia for over a year, if that makes me a new player, then ok. regardless, I have some forum experience. rude to assume that I wouldn't have enuf activity. I'm just having regular classes now, that's the only problem that's hindering my activity. I just got lynched in another game I was playing, so I have full time to play this now. anyone on rn to talk? @ me if so, ill chill around for a few hrs. the only notable action they took was TRing schia in what seems to really look like a pocket but otherwise given the one-line posts and constant prodding into other slots' reads i think they're just unquestionably playing on the back foot. i must be blind wtf anyways, @aka just ISO Schia and tell me if there's any anti-town down there, I think not. The reads presented are all reasonable and no one has pushed Schia as scummy yet. I think that's enough for a player to earn D1 town status.
if they are scum they obviously have to be fire maf, and since: - fire maf shot flush and it does smell like a fearkill to me - they literally just pulled a textbook "oh no, doc just died" i think it's a slot i'm willing to pursue wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill  Yea I don't like this post. Their TR on Schia was not interacting with Schia at all, it was interacting with me because I asked for a further explanation on their read. So I don't see that as a pocket whatsoever. You also point out their "one bout of activity" and I don't see how that's scummier than people who have almost no activity whatsoever. |
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Post by frogo on Apr 27, 2023 18:04:11 GMT
Damn, scum rlly got doctor n1 ;; It's a bit late for me right now, so I'll list my thoughts here and follow up in the morning. So far I think from interactions with flipped scum CCGeek is possible town, definitely not ice mafia due to the Clemens vanity. Also kind of funny scum hit Myan (who was, at that point, one of the major SRs from D1). Scorr is the only strong town read I can see so far. On the other hand, these are a few slots I'd like to look further into as potential SRs: 1. Schiavetto - they've been rather skeptical so far which I liked, and their reads seemed solid. However their interactions with Clemens and simultaneous push on Cyan strikes me as a bit strange. With the Myan flip and their late ish vote on the Clemens wagon at a point he was almost universally scumread makes me reconsider if they're town. They also made a comment about how Cyan could be scum of an opposing faction to Clemens which seems like TMI for me. 2. Akakakp - Constant vote shifting from Clemens to CCGeek to MyanMario, was this an attempt to save Clemens by voting a weaker SR? Their posts and tone are fine, I just don't understand the triple shift here and I feel this could be a potential Clemens partner. 3. Cyan Talon - A lot of their reads seem to stem from a single interaction between Schiavetto and Clemens, and most of their interactions so far have been with schia if I'm not mistaken. I feel Schia and Cyan is a potential s/t or s/s cross. Their tunnel and inquiries to myself and responses to Schia seem genuine, but their alignment remains ambiguous. I'll be back with hopefully more content in the morning, gn FTF already said it better than me but the way lin's posts are constructed are super townie. Easy to read, lots of solid evidence, and just the right amount of townie paranoia/indecision. As for the vote switching I thought it would be fun to see what kind of reactions I could get out of Clemens and possibly some other players. Cleared CCGeek from being ice mafia as you and Cyan already stated. Could you elaborate on the Scorr TR? They hopped on the CC wagon with me and Clems so I am surprised you didn't mention that. |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 18:18:00 GMT
do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? Unsure what this question means. I guess my answer is both? My bad, what I meant was: "Do you think Dactyl is scum and he should be wagoned by all? Or was that vote just to start a wagon and reaction prod a slot (although inactive) you were not scumreading totally?" Got your answer though, I think.
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 18:33:01 GMT
They were also literally the only person to say something about Dactyl and said thing was an SR. Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) Correction: I mention Dactyl's activity in one of my posts too.
Also, in hindsight, do you not think that usually a partner would have somehow thrown light on the lack of activity, since it's free towncred? It's what I usually do as scum, and what I'd expect most moderately-experienced scum to pull off. Especially considering how clems threw around readlists frequently, it's slightly odd to me that he wouldn't mention afk partners at all.
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 18:45:05 GMT
Actually, on ISOing clems rn, I did find this post: CCGeek: you have like nothing in your iso. No reads. One vote. A whole bunch of filler. What do you have against this accusation? Also lurkers exist please. Hmmm.
Now the question is, do we have a substitute? |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 18:46:41 GMT
Fenrir btw game thread still says "night 1"
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 27, 2023 18:52:01 GMT
anyways, good night. I was finally able to sit down with this game comfortably today and do some quality reading. Expect goodstuff coming from me in another ~20 hours.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 21:51:07 GMT
 aight, who's next |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 22:01:28 GMT
Sad to see Clemens go. Maybe they will flip but considering they are our most active player and we have 2 players who have not moved their vote since RVS and 1 who hasn't even voted at all, I would really prefer to keep playing with them and not let this game die. One of those players who hasn't moved their vote is CCGeek. Could be town for not voting on the Clemens or Myan wagons but I have TR'd scum for that too many times before and have started to realize that usually that passivity is more scum!indicative than town!indicative. Running back through, kinda torn on this - I think the train of thought behind that second half is villagery at a glance, has elements of reflection w/ sound conclusion & intent-to-action that track as townie, but the first half is kind of weird. It feels kind of off to lament the Clem wagon on the basis of his activity without also considering the circumstances of that activity (he got noticeably more vocal/finicky after I & others put pressure on his slot, and into phase-end) but there's also this idea that, like... it puts the onus of game activity on the scummy slot without taking time to evaluate if that's Villagery activity or Wolfy activty, and completely sails past the consideration that other players might pick up the slack (which is a perspective idt is consistent with other players' stated opinions on the stale threadstate)
like, functionally it feels like a wolf trying to swing momentum away from a partner
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 22:12:57 GMT
Okay back I think there's something to be said about the bad responses to having plur from clemens and the fact they didn't provide solid reads/reasonings when at L-1 but their playstyle has been very unorthodox and as of now I see their slot as a 50/50 scumflip. I do find the fact they're pushing CCGeek without addressing that slot with their own reasining quite strange. I still think CCGeek/Myan are a better vote here. I'm inclined to read FTF, Scorr, and Aka as town here. Schia is a town lean, Cyan is ambiguous. Anyway I'd like to just bring the recent CCGeek posts to everyone's attention.
why are we doing d1 this seriously considering this is just page 6 of boards. anyways: i read up and gutreads: i like cyan, aka, scorr and schia, in that order. myan feels non-existent in comparison to clems, the push itself feels weird but it's d1, right? some people (like me) should learn to exist (I'm looking at u ZoL, ihbst, thunder) ailura and dactyl feels nai so far. looking forward to playing with ftf. also Kage Cyan I've been playing mafia for over a year, if that makes me a new player, then ok. regardless, I have some forum experience. rude to assume that I wouldn't have enuf activity. I'm just having regular classes now, that's the only problem that's hindering my activity. I just got lynched in another game I was playing, so I have full time to play this now. anyone on rn to talk? @ me if so, ill chill around for a few hrs. Don't like the lack of engagement with me here especially given I led the push on this slot and asked for active contributions, or their "It's just D1" line of reasoning. I also find the fact they have not shifted their vote despite reading me as "NAI" and commenting on their weird interactions between Myan and Clemens. This doesn't read "new player" or "lazy town", its outright scummy. oh cool, who do u prefer tho? i'd prefer myan altho I'm not averse to voting clems Again, they speak of the fact they SR Myan over Clemens yet they have not made any attempt to shift their vote. clems do u think ailura is scum And here they ask if Clemens thinks I am scum which is the closest they have come to direct engagement with me. The two things that stand out to me here are the lack of engagement with my posts and the fact they still haven't shifted their vote this close to EOD. Later posts are fillery or commenting on gamestate without making active contributions and that's reason enough to remain on the slot. Looks like I dont have the time to address Myan here, I see their iso as low effort contributions with a few manufactured townlean lines.
May be worth looking back into Myan for day 2, and to resolve the interactions between Cyan/Clemens and Cyan/Schia.
Really like this progression & would contrast it w/ aka's; there's a clear sense of solving, looking from stated reads to votes & thread influence in a way that at the very least is never partnered with Clem (i.e., not ice), esp. considering their treatment of the Myan slot (weird to kill a heavily sus'd slot that you've positioned yourself to case the following day, extremely unlikely). EOD behavior just feels p straightforwardly town. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 22:14:16 GMT
wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill o_o "hey look at me reacting in shock to the nightkills i most definitely had nothing to do with" |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 22:24:33 GMT
been revisiting the thread a little and i do have a few thoughts about ccgeek that i'm going to just explore as i write: i think we can all agree that ccgeek is very unlikely to be ice goo considering how fine and dandy clem was with getting on that counterwagon. if you want evidence: CCGeek does not look good here. Read iso. There is not much you can find there, cannot tell difference between 4 and 6.The "I'm a frog" "I'm a mudskipper" interaction with akakakp seems… strange. I can't really think of a synonym tho. Termsofservice and myan might be aligned Uses "my brain doesn't work anymore" as a reason to vote me I don't know anymore Get off me and let's work to get scum out this desperation argument exists but back to ccgeek: they have one bout of activity and it occurred in pages 5-6 of the forum, where the only thing they really did was... respond to an activity check. oh hi i do exist i swear i posted a msg about my activity last night (that I was busy with classes) but apparently, it isn't here wtf anyways I think I have some votes on me, judging by the past few msgs, I have to read up why are we doing d1 this seriously considering this is just page 6 of boards. anyways: i read up and gutreads: i like cyan, aka, scorr and schia, in that order. myan feels non-existent in comparison to clems, the push itself feels weird but it's d1, right? some people (like me) should learn to exist (I'm looking at u ZoL, ihbst, thunder) ailura and dactyl feels nai so far. looking forward to playing with ftf. also Kage Cyan I've been playing mafia for over a year, if that makes me a new player, then ok. regardless, I have some forum experience. rude to assume that I wouldn't have enuf activity. I'm just having regular classes now, that's the only problem that's hindering my activity. I just got lynched in another game I was playing, so I have full time to play this now. anyone on rn to talk? @ me if so, ill chill around for a few hrs. the only notable action they took was TRing schia in what seems to really look like a pocket but otherwise given the one-line posts and constant prodding into other slots' reads i think they're just unquestionably playing on the back foot. i must be blind wtf anyways, @aka just ISO Schia and tell me if there's any anti-town down there, I think not. The reads presented are all reasonable and no one has pushed Schia as scummy yet. I think that's enough for a player to earn D1 town status.
if they are scum they obviously have to be fire maf, and since: - fire maf shot flush and it does smell like a fearkill to me - they literally just pulled a textbook "oh no, doc just died" i think it's a slot i'm willing to pursue wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill unrelated but here's a surface-level read: akakakp is also not ice goo Unvote: ClemensVote: CCGeekClemens vote with me i do not see how you read that post from Akak and walk away with that conclusion, please break it down for me in crystal clear detail, ty. If anything it reaffirms the chances of them being W/W
agree w/ the un-aligned read on Shaun/clem- i think there's bandwagony elements to your reads here that are about on level with your stuff from yesterday (i.e., well-constructed but reading-as-agenda'd) but I'll say here if either of you flips fire, it's unlikely that the other's a partner, in part due to breadth of case but also there's no reason for you to position yourself for a bus with this post @ SOD
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 22:36:27 GMT
in other news, i refuse to believe performing nka on ftf's read wall is going to be productive discussion. for what it's worth the lurker slots they pointed out appear to be here in-game, but if anyone wants to start an ihbst/dactyl wagon they have to conclusively show that we have no better options Don't like the bolded, i think there are for sure reasons why someone might not want to use his readlist as a point of ingress for reading around the NK, but i think there are also definitely reasons why someone might at least give it some consideration in their solving today & it icks me a bit that you don't even give a justification. Like, otoh, like scorr & i said, it was a very spongy readlist - otoh, it condensed several thoughts that had been floated into thread (for example, my W read on you) while also lending steam to yday's day-end. It's also worth considering who was being townread by Flush, too - or whose mislunch would be made easier by a flush kill.
I'm of two minds re: policy lims here, esp. considering DL changes. Think the "no better options" bit would track better for me if both teams were down to one.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 22:42:32 GMT
Good morning! Myan kill is wacky. I thought for sure that was Clemens' partner. o7 FTF will read your iso shortly Vote: Dactylwe're getting into TWTBAW territory here, but uh
Why did you think Myan/Clem were partnered? What's so wacky about him dying here
If ice wolf is looking for a kill, they can risk a shot on a Reputable Town Player or Widely Townread slot, which stands a chance of drawing fire from the opposing faction - or they can shoot the player who Clem spent the lion's share of the game suspecting & who plur'd Clem's slot over his counterwagon.
Is it the best? shrug, but there's a logic to it
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 23:10:01 GMT
Damn, scum rlly got doctor n1 ;; It's a bit late for me right now, so I'll list my thoughts here and follow up in the morning. So far I think from interactions with flipped scum CCGeek is possible town, definitely not ice mafia due to the Clemens vanity. Also kind of funny scum hit Myan (who was, at that point, one of the major SRs from D1). Scorr is the only strong town read I can see so far. On the other hand, these are a few slots I'd like to look further into as potential SRs: 1. Schiavetto - they've been rather skeptical so far which I liked, and their reads seemed solid. However their interactions with Clemens and simultaneous push on Cyan strikes me as a bit strange. With the Myan flip and their late ish vote on the Clemens wagon at a point he was almost universally scumread makes me reconsider if they're town. They also made a comment about how Cyan could be scum of an opposing faction to Clemens which seems like TMI for me. 2. Akakakp - Constant vote shifting from Clemens to CCGeek to MyanMario, was this an attempt to save Clemens by voting a weaker SR? Their posts and tone are fine, I just don't understand the triple shift here and I feel this could be a potential Clemens partner. 3. Cyan Talon - A lot of their reads seem to stem from a single interaction between Schiavetto and Clemens, and most of their interactions so far have been with schia if I'm not mistaken. I feel Schia and Cyan is a potential s/t or s/s cross. Their tunnel and inquiries to myself and responses to Schia seem genuine, but their alignment remains ambiguous. I'll be back with hopefully more content in the morning, gn These stances are probably ~fine, in response to the first part I can offer some thoughts for your consideration:
For starters, I'm a very probe-y player in general, I like to kick things around to see whether and how they move. Reading my vote on Clemens as a late bus overlooks several things - I was the one who initiated the widespread SRs on the slot (he questioned my willingness to park on Myan from a place of uncertainty, which was at odds with his own professed opinion on the slot, and when his backtracking later on by saying he didn't know what was meant by "never look back" was in contradiction with his response to me in the first place, which demonstrated his understanding). I stated readiness to pivot onto him right in the beginning of that interaction, and bussing is Extremely Suboptimal for scum in this theme (atvl, it's suboptimal with doctor & both opposing goons still alive). You can also see clem getting antsy after my posts to him, or even just the fact that he thought my Jojo copypasta was an introduction post (I didn't correct him or anyone else on this, was very fun to watch) and tried to use it to distract thread.
On the bit about Cyan, that's not TMI, that's just an understanding of how the setup works lol. Flush came away with the same conclusion (which, again, Scorr and I both called to light), and you go through the same logistics in your third bullet, where you recognize that the Cyan's tunnel reads as a genuine read, but its narrowness is what makes it problematic--the way Cyan jumps onto the fos and then clings to it through to the end of the phase is one of the underlying signs of selective scumhunting, i.e., scum positioning themselves to appear like they're solving by using their reads on the opposing faction. I think it's reasonable to view Cyan and my interactions as S/T (bc Cyan is reasonably scummy here) but S/S is out of the question.
Think we're more or less on the same page re: akak
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 27, 2023 23:15:29 GMT
Whoever Clemens' partner is, you are so dumb. Anyways ihbst please talk more. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 27, 2023 23:16:57 GMT
I'm looking @ the rest of this page and mostly just thinking "I would like other people to interact with"
With Flush out I'm mostly @ Scorr town, and mostly liking Lindy (if we *do* play the NKA game, I think they fit the sort of player profile that stands to gain from a Flush kill - but their content has been prevailingly villagery, you'd have to sell me pretty hard on an SR there) but esp. with two nightkills in play and protective power removed from the equation, I think there's a danger here of us losing here if more people don't towntell.
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Post by cyan on Apr 27, 2023 23:54:46 GMT
on reconsideration maybe "ccgeek is playing passive, fire mafia is acting passive so ccgeek must be fire mafia" isn't as strong of a read as i initially thought i'm staying on mainly because they promised content and i don't like people who promise content until they properly deliver for now, i'm just going to shuttle off random thoughts and continue discussion unrelated but here's a surface-level read: akakakp is also not ice goo i do not see how you read that post from Akak and walk away with that conclusion, please break it down for me in crystal clear detail, ty. If anything it reaffirms the chances of them being W/W i did say it was surface level. generally i think akakakp was calling a lot of attention onto clemens yesterday and the thought that struck me was "would scum actively defend and buddy their partner that blatantly?" but with the post you pointed out earlier i think it's more likely that akakakp was simping for some inexplicable reason and trying to find that would be severely unproductive in other news, i refuse to believe performing nka on ftf's read wall is going to be productive discussion. for what it's worth the lurker slots they pointed out appear to be here in-game, but if anyone wants to start an ihbst/dactyl wagon they have to conclusively show that we have no better options Don't like the bolded, i think there are for sure reasons why someone might not want to use his readlist as a point of ingress for reading around the NK, but i think there are also definitely reasons why someone might at least give it some consideration in their solving today & it icks me a bit that you don't even give a justification. Like, otoh, like scorr & i said, it was a very spongy readlist - otoh, it condensed several thoughts that had been floated into thread (for example, my W read on you) while also lending steam to yday's day-end. It's also worth considering who was being townread by Flush, too - or whose mislunch would be made easier by a flush kill. I'm of two minds re: policy lims here, esp. considering DL changes. Think the "no better options" bit would track better for me if both teams were down to one.
right, but we have no grasp on what fire mafia were playing at by killing ftf and until we do it's just not something i think is worth working out if we work surface-level and assume that flush's reads (and the general consensus they represent, sans the read on me) were a threat to scum, that's an immediate path to a WIFOM "but flush could've been killed to frame the scumslots!" argument it just stands out to me that for what it's worth, i think flush's death should be written off as fearkill until we get something that points us in a different direction but for the sake of engagement let me also address your latter avenue of discussion: if you think fire maf wanted to set up a misvote by killing flush, i'd say the most viable pool of misvote targets is between termsofservice and akakakp. anyone higher in the list is just not getting voted either way and anyone lower doesn't need flush to get the push running. i'm just a staunch believer that policy kills are the lazy option; we do them when nothing better stands out. i've probably been conditioned to the frequency of policy-viable players in chat mafia and the relatively common trend of scum catching on and policying them in turn |
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Post by cyan on Apr 27, 2023 23:55:26 GMT
Whoever Clemens' partner is, you are so dumb. Anyways ihbst please talk more. why say this like what was the point |
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