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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:47:37 GMT
in this situation scum probably doesn't want to stand out so moderate activity? myan is dead you tool |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:54:04 GMT
first of all, i'm manually and artificially spoilering this quote to make it easier for the rest of us to digest. Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling.  Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? "I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but  "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! and my thoughts? like i know this isn't IIoA but does anyone else feel like this iso dive is a little... non-committal? it kind of feels like sylv is just reacting individually to lines and talking about how scummy they are. my definition of scumhunting is looking at the posts and trying to find out what the poster is attempting to achieve, and this is not that feel free to call me out if i'm looking at this wrong, but sylveon comes off to me as someone who either thinks they're scumhunting or is faking scumhunting but if we're talking about the post itself: the conclusion these points are leading me to is that ccgeek is playing in bad faith and refusing to engage with the gameand while i'm all gung-ho about getting them killed for that alone, i'm really not sold on how these points suggest ccgeek is outright scum Most of that "iso dive" just calls out individually nai things and paints it as scummy, but there are a few decent points. I would like to say this post is more likely to come from tunnelvisioned town than someone with a scum agenda to push a vote onto CCGeek. |
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:54:49 GMT
right, but we have no grasp on what fire mafia were playing at by killing ftf and until we do it's just not something i think is worth working out if we work surface-level and assume that flush's reads (and the general consensus they represent, sans the read on me) were a threat to scum, that's an immediate path to a WIFOM "but flush could've been killed to frame the scumslots!" argument it just stands out to me that for what it's worth, i think flush's death should be written off as fearkill until we get something that points us in a different direction but for the sake of engagement let me also address your latter avenue of discussion: if you think fire maf wanted to set up a misvote by killing flush, i'd say the most viable pool of misvote targets is between termsofservice and akakakp. anyone higher in the list is just not getting voted either way and anyone lower doesn't need flush to get the push running. i'm just a staunch believer that policy kills are the lazy option; we do them when nothing better stands out. i've probably been conditioned to the frequency of policy-viable players in chat mafia and the relatively common trend of scum catching on and policying them in turn This makes very little sense to me. If we were to go the route of Ftf getting fearkilled that would point to you/myan/ccg. How would ftf death frame tos/akakakp when they were placed under (one) v? I do see what you mean by implying that a misyeet on myan or ccg would not need to be catalyzed by an ftf kill, but I don't think a vote on you would come about so easily. there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp) i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:55:59 GMT
wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill o_o Am I supposed to take this at face value? This is almost Too Scummy To Be Scum |
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:56:38 GMT
first of all, i'm manually and artificially spoilering this quote to make it easier for the rest of us to digest.and my thoughts? like i know this isn't IIoA but does anyone else feel like this iso dive is a little... non-committal? it kind of feels like sylv is just reacting individually to lines and talking about how scummy they are. my definition of scumhunting is looking at the posts and trying to find out what the poster is attempting to achieve, and this is not that feel free to call me out if i'm looking at this wrong, but sylveon comes off to me as someone who either thinks they're scumhunting or is faking scumhuntingbut if we're talking about the post itself: the conclusion these points are leading me to is that ccgeek is playing in bad faith and refusing to engage with the gameand while i'm all gung-ho about getting them killed for that alone, i'm really not sold on how these points suggest ccgeek is outright scum Most of that "iso dive" just calls out individually nai things and paints it as scummy, but there are a few decent points. I would like to say this post is more likely to come from tunnelvisioned town than someone with a scum agenda to push a vote onto CCGeek. i'm less thinking "scum with an agenda" and more thinking "scum trying to look active" your thoughts on that would be helpful, since i did also say that "tunnelvisioned town" is still a possibility in my eyes (see blue text) |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 3:58:01 GMT
This makes very little sense to me. If we were to go the route of Ftf getting fearkilled that would point to you/myan/ccg. How would ftf death frame tos/akakakp when they were placed under (one) v? I do see what you mean by implying that a misyeet on myan or ccg would not need to be catalyzed by an ftf kill, but I don't think a vote on you would come about so easily. there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp) i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait akakakp iso: ps-mafia.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1288&captcha_id=captcha_search&where_thread_title=Fire+and+Ice%3A+The+Public+Domain+Game+Thread+&display_as=0&search=Searchnote: I have not read this |
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 3:59:46 GMT
there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp) i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait akakakp iso: ps-mafia.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1288&captcha_id=captcha_search&where_thread_title=Fire+and+Ice%3A+The+Public+Domain+Game+Thread+&display_as=0&search=Searchnote: I have not read this what i'm saying is we need to let Sylveon & Rando cook |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 4:00:29 GMT
Most of that "iso dive" just calls out individually nai things and paints it as scummy, but there are a few decent points. I would like to say this post is more likely to come from tunnelvisioned town than someone with a scum agenda to push a vote onto CCGeek. i'm less thinking "scum with an agenda" and more thinking "scum trying to look active" your thoughts on that would be helpful, since i did also say that "tunnelvisioned town" is still a possibility in my eyes (see blue text) Isn't just responding to random posts a better way to look active? Unless you are trying to avoid spew or something |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 28, 2023 4:02:14 GMT
@sylv doing an ISO dive but leaving out an info-post is an interesting decision. Pulling an OMGUS Vote: Sylveon & Rando just for the lols, but seriously though, my TLs right now are aka, ailura, scorr and ihbst, in that order. (if anyone asks me why ihbst, just look at ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93633). I am not sure what to think of cyan, schia as of now. TE should exist more. Re:sub, I meant whether Dactyl is gonna get subbed out or no, he hasn't posted about in 3 days with a total of 4 in his ISO, but i guess not yet. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 4:02:27 GMT
not too interested in an iso dive, but a readlist (like the one ftf did) from Sylveon & Rando would be nice |
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 4:02:34 GMT
i'm less thinking "scum with an agenda" and more thinking "scum trying to look active" your thoughts on that would be helpful, since i did also say that "tunnelvisioned town" is still a possibility in my eyes (see blue text) Isn't just responding to random posts a better way to look active? Unless you are trying to avoid spew or something they both require a similar level of effort but isodiving and commenting on individual posts has the added value of being the thing that everyone would ask for but no one usually does unprompted (it's free towncred) |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 28, 2023 4:03:15 GMT
oh damn there's been a whole convo in the time I hadn't refreshed
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 4:05:50 GMT
@sylv doing an ISO dive but leaving out an info-post is an interesting decision. Pulling an OMGUS Vote: Sylveon & Rando just for the lols, but seriously though, my TLs right now are aka, ailura, scorr and ihbst, in that order. (if anyone asks me why ihbst, just look at ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93633). I am not sure what to think of cyan, schia as of now. TE should exist more. Re:sub, I meant whether Dactyl is gonna get subbed out or no, he hasn't posted about in 3 days with a total of 4 in his ISO, but i guess not yet. once again, cyansplaining time: you should quote the info-post in your reply so we can see what was supposed to be there, or at least talk about its contents whichever post by ihbst you were trying to link to, the link you posted doesn't lead to it. (don't edit your original post, just make a new one) thanks for the readlist but. like. is it too hard to ask you to try |
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 4:08:31 GMT
publicly declaring that if sylv doesn't do the akakakp isodive in 10-ish hours i'm going to do it myself
i'm not too concerned about getting it out ASAP because all i really have to say is: there's a big disconnect with how akakakp was playing in the early stages of Day 1 and how they were playing from late D1 onwards (when the Clemens vote took up traction), and while i find it weird i can't tie it to explicitly scummy motives
the best i can actually do in that regard is "akakakp is framing me, help!" and those are not the depths i will sink to
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 28, 2023 4:09:41 GMT
@sylv doing an ISO dive but leaving out an info-post is an interesting decision. Pulling an OMGUS Vote: Sylveon & Rando just for the lols, but seriously though, my TLs right now are aka, ailura, scorr and ihbst, in that order. (if anyone asks me why ihbst, just look at ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93633). I am not sure what to think of cyan, schia as of now. TE should exist more. Re:sub, I meant whether Dactyl is gonna get subbed out or no, he hasn't posted about in 3 days with a total of 4 in his ISO, but i guess not yet. Kinda liking these reads. closing parenthesis got caught in the link btw |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 28, 2023 4:10:01 GMT
sorry cyan, i'm trying but quoting is more tedious than on MS, at least I cannot find a multiquote feature. is there one on here?
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 28, 2023 4:19:01 GMT
Kage Cyan the posts I mean are the readlist and the interaction w/ aka about schia d1 ( ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93472 , ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93503 ). I think ISO dives include all the posts, ESPECIALLY those that contain reads. Omitting read posts on an ISO dive feels so iffy to me, as someone who likes to do them. Speaking of which, once I do get back, I'm willing to sit through some ISOs and comment on them. Who else other than Aka does town in general want ISO'd?
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 28, 2023 4:19:39 GMT
im stupid and i did the @ cyan thing wrong again. ugh.
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Post by cyan on Apr 28, 2023 4:34:09 GMT
sorry cyan, i'm trying but quoting is more tedious than on MS, at least I cannot find a multiquote feature. is there one on here?" "select post" on the relevant quotes and hit reply, they'll pop up in the post previewer |
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Post by Shaun-CCGeek on Apr 28, 2023 4:36:35 GMT
Ahhh, gotcha. Tysm
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 10:47:53 GMT
Hi scorr. Pls have mercy. Okay I am physically exhausted from that post. Vote: CCGeek.That read was in no way meant to be a coast, btw. As much as Sylv's ISO dive feels super manufactured none of it matters because this last line is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. Vote: SylveonHow tf is my last line scummy? I just was adding clarification. And it shouldn't be so scummy that it nullifies my ISO Dive. |
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 10:52:00 GMT
there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp) i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait akakakp iso: ps-mafia.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1288&captcha_id=captcha_search&where_thread_title=Fire+and+Ice%3A+The+Public+Domain+Game+Thread+&display_as=0&search=Searchnote: I have not read this Thanks I was gonna try to read into aka's iso next. I'm gonna try and take the advice you guys said in this one, don't worry. |
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 11:00:24 GMT
Kage Cyan the posts I mean are the readlist and the interaction w/ aka about schia d1 ( ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93472 , ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93503 ). I think ISO dives include all the posts, ESPECIALLY those that contain reads. Omitting read posts on an ISO dive feels so iffy to me, as someone who likes to do them. Speaking of which, once I do get back, I'm willing to sit through some ISOs and comment on them. Who else other than Aka does town in general want ISO'd? Tbh your read didn't really stand out, because you didn't go further with them. Unfortunately, that's one of your issues. Was thinking maybe I could read through FTF's ISO and do some NKA, but yeah Aka is the only real ISO I want. |
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Post by lindauna on Apr 28, 2023 11:00:52 GMT
This is probably going to be my longest post yet as I came back to 2 pages of discussion, so I'll begin where I left off in my last post, where I said we should look further into Schiavetto, Akakakp, and Cyan Talon.
This is Aka's response, which deflects rather than addressing the points brought up. I'll probably follow this up when someone posts the iso.
Damn, scum rlly got doctor n1 ;; It's a bit late for me right now, so I'll list my thoughts here and follow up in the morning. So far I think from interactions with flipped scum CCGeek is possible town, definitely not ice mafia due to the Clemens vanity. Also kind of funny scum hit Myan (who was, at that point, one of the major SRs from D1). Scorr is the only strong town read I can see so far. On the other hand, these are a few slots I'd like to look further into as potential SRs: 1. Schiavetto - they've been rather skeptical so far which I liked, and their reads seemed solid. However their interactions with Clemens and simultaneous push on Cyan strikes me as a bit strange. With the Myan flip and their late ish vote on the Clemens wagon at a point he was almost universally scumread makes me reconsider if they're town. They also made a comment about how Cyan could be scum of an opposing faction to Clemens which seems like TMI for me. 2. Akakakp - Constant vote shifting from Clemens to CCGeek to MyanMario, was this an attempt to save Clemens by voting a weaker SR? Their posts and tone are fine, I just don't understand the triple shift here and I feel this could be a potential Clemens partner. 3. Cyan Talon - A lot of their reads seem to stem from a single interaction between Schiavetto and Clemens, and most of their interactions so far have been with schia if I'm not mistaken. I feel Schia and Cyan is a potential s/t or s/s cross. Their tunnel and inquiries to myself and responses to Schia seem genuine, but their alignment remains ambiguous. I'll be back with hopefully more content in the morning, gn FTF already said it better than me but the way lin's posts are constructed are super townie. Easy to read, lots of solid evidence, and just the right amount of townie paranoia/indecision. As for the vote switching I thought it would be fun to see what kind of reactions I could get out of Clemens and possibly some other players. Cleared CCGeek from being ice mafia as you and Cyan already stated. Could you elaborate on the Scorr TR? They hopped on the CC wagon with me and Clems so I am surprised you didn't mention that. I'm not sure what Aka gains by buddying me here, but their response here is strange. I mentioned my reason for the SR to be constant vote shifting post RVS, yet they instead direct attention to the Scorr read. Scorr was on ToS, a slot that went from being unhelpful to being townie and I see no issue with their shift. Scorr was also the only player to townread Clemens, which would be a very strange play indeed if they were scum. I feel Scor's responses D1 and D2 come from a foundation of solid reasoning. Your vote shifts, on the other hand, didn't seem to be backed by the same amount of reasoning. I fail to understand why Aka would bandwagon Clemens only to shift to Myan, but with the subsequent Myan kill i feel this is too scummy to be scum. I dislike the deflection and lack of engagement with my inquiry here. Hope someone posts an iso dive on this, thanks.
On the other hand, I like the way Schiavetto engages with and directly addresses the points brought up here.
Damn, scum rlly got doctor n1 ;; It's a bit late for me right now, so I'll list my thoughts here and follow up in the morning. So far I think from interactions with flipped scum CCGeek is possible town, definitely not ice mafia due to the Clemens vanity. Also kind of funny scum hit Myan (who was, at that point, one of the major SRs from D1). Scorr is the only strong town read I can see so far. On the other hand, these are a few slots I'd like to look further into as potential SRs: 1. Schiavetto - they've been rather skeptical so far which I liked, and their reads seemed solid. However their interactions with Clemens and simultaneous push on Cyan strikes me as a bit strange. With the Myan flip and their late ish vote on the Clemens wagon at a point he was almost universally scumread makes me reconsider if they're town. They also made a comment about how Cyan could be scum of an opposing faction to Clemens which seems like TMI for me. 2. Akakakp - Constant vote shifting from Clemens to CCGeek to MyanMario, was this an attempt to save Clemens by voting a weaker SR? Their posts and tone are fine, I just don't understand the triple shift here and I feel this could be a potential Clemens partner. 3. Cyan Talon - A lot of their reads seem to stem from a single interaction between Schiavetto and Clemens, and most of their interactions so far have been with schia if I'm not mistaken. I feel Schia and Cyan is a potential s/t or s/s cross. Their tunnel and inquiries to myself and responses to Schia seem genuine, but their alignment remains ambiguous. I'll be back with hopefully more content in the morning, gn These stances are probably ~fine, in response to the first part I can offer some thoughts for your consideration: For starters, I'm a very probe-y player in general, I like to kick things around to see whether and how they move. Reading my vote on Clemens as a late bus overlooks several things - I was the one who initiated the widespread SRs on the slot (he questioned my willingness to park on Myan from a place of uncertainty, which was at odds with his own professed opinion on the slot, and when his backtracking later on by saying he didn't know what was meant by "never look back" was in contradiction with his response to me in the first place, which demonstrated his understanding). I stated readiness to pivot onto him right in the beginning of that interaction, and bussing is Extremely Suboptimal for scum in this theme (atvl, it's suboptimal with doctor & both opposing goons still alive). You can also see clem getting antsy after my posts to him, or even just the fact that he thought my Jojo copypasta was an introduction post (I didn't correct him or anyone else on this, was very fun to watch) and tried to use it to distract thread. On the bit about Cyan, that's not TMI, that's just an understanding of how the setup works lol. Flush came away with the same conclusion (which, again, Scorr and I both called to light), and you go through the same logistics in your third bullet, where you recognize that the Cyan's tunnel reads as a genuine read, but its narrowness is what makes it problematic--the way Cyan jumps onto the fos and then clings to it through to the end of the phase is one of the underlying signs of selective scumhunting, i.e., scum positioning themselves to appear like they're solving by using their reads on the opposing faction. I think it's reasonable to view Cyan and my interactions as S/T (bc Cyan is reasonably scummy here) but S/S is out of the question. Think we're more or less on the same page re: akak
Schia addressed the fact they're probing multiple slots and this has been consistent across their play, and kicked up momentum on the Clemens SR. This is backed by valid reasoning- the fact clemens distracted the thread, the whole interaction with Clemens over the Myan vote. I think Schia's reads and the reasoning and follow up they have to posts are town indicative. This reads like genuine town rather than an attempt at buddying.
Moving on, couple posts here that caught my attention. on reconsideration maybe "ccgeek is playing passive, fire mafia is acting passive so ccgeek must be fire mafia" isn't as strong of a read as i initially thought i'm staying on mainly because they promised content and i don't like people who promise content until they properly deliver for now, i'm just going to shuttle off random thoughts and continue discussion i do not see how you read that post from Akak and walk away with that conclusion, please break it down for me in crystal clear detail, ty. If anything it reaffirms the chances of them being W/W i did say it was surface level. generally i think akakakp was calling a lot of attention onto clemens yesterday and the thought that struck me was "would scum actively defend and buddy their partner that blatantly?" but with the post you pointed out earlier i think it's more likely that akakakp was simping for some inexplicable reason and trying to find that would be severely unproductive Don't like the bolded, i think there are for sure reasons why someone might not want to use his readlist as a point of ingress for reading around the NK, but i think there are also definitely reasons why someone might at least give it some consideration in their solving today & it icks me a bit that you don't even give a justification. Like, otoh, like scorr & i said, it was a very spongy readlist - otoh, it condensed several thoughts that had been floated into thread (for example, my W read on you) while also lending steam to yday's day-end. It's also worth considering who was being townread by Flush, too - or whose mislunch would be made easier by a flush kill. I'm of two minds re: policy lims here, esp. considering DL changes. Think the "no better options" bit would track better for me if both teams were down to one.
right, but we have no grasp on what fire mafia were playing at by killing ftf and until we do it's just not something i think is worth working out if we work surface-level and assume that flush's reads (and the general consensus they represent, sans the read on me) were a threat to scum, that's an immediate path to a WIFOM "but flush could've been killed to frame the scumslots!" argument it just stands out to me that for what it's worth, i think flush's death should be written off as fearkill until we get something that points us in a different direction but for the sake of engagement let me also address your latter avenue of discussion: if you think fire maf wanted to set up a misvote by killing flush, i'd say the most viable pool of misvote targets is between termsofservice and akakakp. anyone higher in the list is just not getting voted either way and anyone lower doesn't need flush to get the push running. i'm just a staunch believer that policy kills are the lazy option; we do them when nothing better stands out. i've probably been conditioned to the frequency of policy-viable players in chat mafia and the relatively common trend of scum catching on and policying them in turn Not sure why Cyan is so insistent on not relying on FtF's iso, a lot of Cyan's more recent posts are centered around his own slot in the game, or aimed to justify why scum would behave in a particular way. I can't see many of these lines coming from a townie perspective. Hi scorr. Pls have mercy. Okay I am physically exhausted from that post. Vote: CCGeek.That read was in no way meant to be a coast, btw. As much as Sylv's ISO dive feels super manufactured none of it matters because this last line is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. Vote: SylveonWhile I agree it is a scum tendancy to overanalyze any content they can get their hands on and that this iso dive seems like an opportunistic contribution, I feel we may be jumping the gun on a slot that hasn't really gotten to play. I dislike the way sylveon picked up on almost every line from ccgeek just to have something to comment on, however I'll look into their next iso dive before resolving this slot. in other news, i refuse to believe performing nka on ftf's read wall is going to be productive discussion. for what it's worth the lurker slots they pointed out appear to be here in-game, but if anyone wants to start an ihbst/dactyl wagon they have to conclusively show that we have no better options I feel like you are very biased in saying saying that, because if one were to perform nka on ftf's read wall they may come to the conclusion that you are in the scumpool. vvv
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zesty/dactyl/sand I don't think anyone aside from possibly schia was pr reading ftf, and Schia would've benefitted from Ftf being alive since he was one of the strongest listed trs. If we were to say it was a fearkill, it would leave Cyan, CCG, Myan. Trying to default a vote onto one of the low posters feels like a very mediocre play from town especially since there is momentum from D1 ice vote. This line of analysis really reads town to me tbh, I like the response to Cyan coupled with the reasoning on who we should vote - I feel directing a wagon onto Dactyl/ihbst is very suboptimal townplay and Cyan really stands out as the scummiest player right now. A lot of their lines read Engagement for the Sake of Engagement, there was absolutely no reason to push a vote onto an inactive slot. first of all, i'm manually and artificially spoilering this quote to make it easier for the rest of us to digest. Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling. Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? "I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! and my thoughts? like i know this isn't IIoA but does anyone else feel like this iso dive is a little... non-committal? it kind of feels like sylv is just reacting individually to lines and talking about how scummy they are. my definition of scumhunting is looking at the posts and trying to find out what the poster is attempting to achieve, and this is not that feel free to call me out if i'm looking at this wrong, but sylveon comes off to me as someone who either thinks they're scumhunting or is faking scumhunting but if we're talking about the post itself: the conclusion these points are leading me to is that ccgeek is playing in bad faith and refusing to engage with the gameand while i'm all gung-ho about getting them killed for that alone, i'm really not sold on how these points suggest ccgeek is outright scum I really dislike this line where they're for getting sylveon killed over the iso dive post, their lines here once again read Engagement for the Sake of Engagement. Not sure why they're backtracking on their ccgeek SR post from the start of the day to SR sylveon. Would appreciate if Cyan can respond to these inquiries. Another pattern I've noticed is that Cyan's SRs were all wagons started by someone else - their entire read on Clemens originated from an interaction where schia called out an atrocious response from the latter, and their post on CCGeek appear to originate from my D1 SR. They also had strange interactions with CCGeek which I'd like to talk about in another post. This makes very little sense to me. If we were to go the route of Ftf getting fearkilled that would point to you/myan/ccg. How would ftf death frame tos/akakakp when they were placed under (one) v? I do see what you mean by implying that a misyeet on myan or ccg would not need to be catalyzed by an ftf kill, but I don't think a vote on you would come about so easily. there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp) i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait Again very contradictory, why are they now shifting to another slot sred by myself and schia? I feel the entire cyan talon iso lacks true scumhunting intent and is focused on the FtF flip and its implications, going over slots that have been hard SRed by other players, and ultimately making contributions for the sake of having something to say. publicly declaring that if sylv doesn't do the akakakp isodive in 10-ish hours i'm going to do it myself i'm not too concerned about getting it out ASAP because all i really have to say is: there's a big disconnect with how akakakp was playing in the early stages of Day 1 and how they were playing from late D1 onwards (when the Clemens vote took up traction), and while i find it weird i can't tie it to explicitly scummy motives the best i can actually do in that regard is "akakakp is framing me, help!" and those are not the depths i will sink to No idea how cyan can't tie anything to scummy motives, I'm having a hard time seeing how they've sred at least 3 slots at this point yet remain parked on CCGeek, despite calling out the sylveon iso dive as articifical scumhunting. They also had this line in a later post:
"i'm not ashamed to admit that yes! asking everyone to disregard this pool would be kinda good for me since ftf was one of two people pushing me d1"
I feel that town has no reason to disregard a potential scumpool simply because they're an SR, a lot of the content coming from this slot is wishy-washy and lacks solid justification. Not a fan of how shifty they have been either, this is my vote for the day.
Vote: Cyan Talon
Looking for the akakakp iso dive before I comment further on this slot. I'm pretty sure schia and scorr are town here, cyan is my strongest SR. Aka and CCGeek are potential scum but I'll revisit this in a while. Refraining from comment on ToS and Sylv for now as they have made limited contributions. Lastly, I would like to see more interactions from ihbst and dactyl as these slots have been pretty much absent from the discourse so far, as Schia said we are in need of more town clears.
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Sylveon & Rando
Innocent Child
"No! You can't just meme about how much you have posted!" "Haha VT go brrrrrr"
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 28, 2023 11:02:20 GMT
Okay before I read aka's ISO, I'm gonna do something real quick.
Unvote: CCGeek, Vote: aka
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Not like you're gonna do it, anyways.
