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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 19:11:53 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 19:24:16 GMT
Preferred shot order Prod/Myan > Clem
@lucas On the matter of the Prod scumcases I requested--I think yours stands the better chance of coming from a villagery POV; there's a clearer sense of attempts at matching Prod's expressed intent with displayed action in a way that tracks not only as analyzing the slot but also as genuinely trying to open yourself to the ramifications of him flipping one way or the other (esp. in the context of being conflict-averse--one of the reasons I've been counting misexes is because it gives town room to recover in the event that someone's just Wrong, while also creating space for visible solve-plans; scum has more to lose from butting heads here). Myan's had me mixed for a bit bc on the one hand I kind of liked how candid it was? Like I didn't get the sense that it was necessarily agenda'd--and I think the point about Prod always talking to "the one with the gun" was a pretty sharp insight. What has me very doubtful though is the way he sort of bails on the exercise after that otherwise shallow analysis--there's no commitment to unpacking the determination he's already made on Prod's slot, just a quick bit in strikethrough text about asking empty questions and then an unelaborated quote to prop up the extant townread. It doesn't really read as scum trying to argue or slant things one way or the other, but it does seem like a very hollow approach to the slot and uninterested in solving. In the context of the slots other interactions I think it looks worse.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 19:24:43 GMT
(the slash there is inclusive, btw, not exclusive)
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 19:26:18 GMT
God
why does everyone have good points for their scumcases
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 19:28:13 GMT
I feel inferior now
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 20:17:20 GMT
redoing everything bc why not
ihbst
looking at ihbst iso, very much like me, only gives info when pushed, also ihbst doesnt give explanations to reads, there are many instances where they just gave reads but minimal-zero explanation.
schia put up this point where it suggested that ihbst was threadspewed, I don't really understand
this slot might be partnered with schia if looking at those things
schia
my suspect if ihbst flips red
8p and schia gave three shots for poe
after bang bang bang there might be a chance where it is 2v3 and schia+whoever it is, thinking ihbst wins the game with those three shots
three shots given, seems a bit controlling
snaq
might b lamist behaviour, but I don't know anymore, I lost faith in humanity long ago
yea
that's probably it for snaq, being too towny
wob
I don't know about wob a lot, but wob just seems… nonexistent at times.
there might also be occurrences when wob just goes bam and straight into pushing someone, one example might be at around end of d1 when he piled on me for like reasons I dont really understand
prod
walls I do not have the mental capacity to read.
is it just me or what
slightly gone under the radar in recent days, and I would probably say coasting, which is fun but I don't agree on in a theme with no nightkills
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 27, 2023 20:31:27 GMT
reads scumcase tomato potato laa You didn't even do that bro |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 20:32:07 GMT
Finally got some time again today, I'll analyze wob (haven't really gotten into SR), Schia (upon request to see a different perspective), and clemens (because... I am not sure what to think right now), and Myan. I think ihbst is clear and not so interesting. Prodigu I've done before. Will do em post by post. Will try to do Toni ISO after. If anyone wants to chat to me then please initiate soon and I'll respond  |
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 27, 2023 20:32:47 GMT
redoing everything bc why not ihbst looking at ihbst iso, very much like me, only gives info when pushed, also ihbst doesnt give explanations to reads, there are many instances where they just gave reads but minimal-zero explanation. schia put up this point where it suggested that ihbst was threadspewed, I don't really understand this slot might be partnered with schia if looking at those things schia my suspect if ihbst flips red 8p and schia gave three shots for poe after bang bang bang there might be a chance where it is 2v3 and schia+whoever it is, thinking ihbst wins the game with those three shots three shots given, seems a bit controlling snaq might b lamist behaviour, but I don't know anymore, I lost faith in humanity long ago yea that's probably it for snaq, being too towny wob I don't know about wob a lot, but wob just seems… nonexistent at times. there might also be occurrences when wob just goes bam and straight into pushing someone, one example might be at around end of d1 when he piled on me for like reasons I dont really understand prod walls I do not have the mental capacity to read. is it just me or what slightly gone under the radar in recent days, and I would probably say coasting, which is fun but I don't agree on in a theme with no nightkills Somewhat better |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 20:34:20 GMT
Probs good to sort where I stand exactly right now, I'm most tired of ihbst but idk if that's too easy. iavh, I find your Schia+ihbst read interesting though. If ihbst flips red, wouldn't Schia need to survive into f2? (Or however endgaming in Popcorn works, I'm not exactly sure) |
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 20:38:30 GMT
wat does f2 mean
something tells me schia is able to wriggle out of it if ihbst flips scum
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 20:42:57 GMT
wat does f2 mean something tells me schia is able to wriggle out of it if ihbst flips scum Final 2 players. MafiaScum says the following: Which would mean that if there's 1 scum left... they would need to survive to 3 players left. One town would have the gun, and they would have to shoot the other town for scum to win. ForgotToFlush is this correct? |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 20:45:36 GMT
lol
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Post by ihbst on May 27, 2023 20:49:34 GMT
I just remember that bussing is like super super bad in pcorn, so that improves my view on Clemens somewhat
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 20:51:24 GMT
pcorn without the c hehe.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on May 27, 2023 20:53:02 GMT
confirming that i'm using the mafiascum win conditions and Mafia need to achieve parity to win
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 20:54:09 GMT
I just remember that bussing is like super super bad in pcorn, so that improves my view on Clemens somewhat Yo I want to engage with you more, but I also need you to take some initiative Tell me about any one thing in this game, using at least five fully formed, useful sentences |
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Post by ihbst on May 27, 2023 21:00:08 GMT
I want to engage with you more, but I also need you to take some initiative Tell me about any one thing in this game, using at least five fully formed, useful sentences Sorry man but there isn't really anything to talk about rn so not now |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:01:30 GMT
wob wolfcase: iso supports both yash/gary being town and toni being scum. only scum could have such accurate reads. (jk, he also wanted dactyl shot) I'd say scum!wob would not have expected Crespo to die, and the one post they made sussing Crespo to have much influence at all while being good for their interaction if anything did happen and could've been more proactive in explaining why he would not want the gary shot Gotta say though, I stared at it for a while, and hats off to wob if he's scum. As of now, I have trouble finding much motivation for scum!wob in his iso. Gives an interesting perspective, has pushed Toni without it looking forced, comments advance the game. Don't think there are any strange interactions or ulterior motives I could find? iavh, I am interested in your non-existant point though. I think this was moreso the first few days, as to me wob is reasonably active. I did notice this was during two days town was voted. Do you think wob went inactive to avoid getting attention while town was imploding anyway in the wob!scum case. Furthermore, if wob!scum and you agree, would you argue that the players under pressure in the early days are likely not scum, then? (IF it was on purpose that wob wasn't active). |
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 21:01:35 GMT
1. e4 e5
2. Ke2 Ke7
3. Ke1 Ke8
4. Ke2 Ke7
5. Ke1 Ke8
6. Ke2 Ke7
1/2-1/2
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 21:02:03 GMT
SHIT
WRONG FORUMS
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Post by Prodigu on May 27, 2023 21:02:58 GMT
I tried looking through what Toni had said prior to being shot, and nothing stood out to me as extremely odd, but i wonder if Toni would have avoided interacting with his fellow scum partners to not draw attention to them?
Slots that Toni interacted with before being shot would include Clem, Gary, Myself, ihbst, Schia
He never really interacted with Myan or Wob that i could see, or the Dactyl7 slot is it worthwhile to read into this as Toni not wanting to interacted with mafia partners to avoid drawing any attention to them?
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:03:27 GMT
I want to engage with you more, but I also need you to take some initiative Tell me about any one thing in this game, using at least five fully formed, useful sentences Sorry man but there isn't really anything to talk about rn so not now Okay, but tell me how are you supposed to further the gamestate I think there's really enough to engage about. But since you already said you this thing about bussing and clemens. Could you present a case where scum!clem wants to bus in popcorn Also a case where town!scum got targeted by toni Explain mechanically why bussing is bad And if you think scum!clem would realise that bussing is bad (/ if he doesn't realise it, if you think he would do it or not) |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:05:10 GMT
I tried looking through what Toni had said prior to being shot, and nothing stood out to me as extremely odd, but i wonder if Toni would have avoided interacting with his fellow scum partners to not draw attention to them? Slots that Toni interacted with before being shot would include Clem, Gary, Myself, ihbst, Schia He never really interacted with Myan or Wob that i could see, or the Dactyl7 slot is it worthwhile to read into this as Toni not wanting to interacted with mafia partners to avoid drawing any attention to them? Toni didn't engage with wob, but this post does have wob interact with Toni. It was basically the first post that impressed me while reading this game, and set wob as a strong TR in my mind early on. While toni did not interact with wob per se, how would this post impact this analysis? |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:06:26 GMT
Furthermore, in that line of thinking I would like to ask you if there's players Toni had no choice but to interact with them. If a scumpartner of his "forced" the interaction, he might not have had much of a choice. Do you think any scumpartner would do something like this?
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