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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 21:07:38 GMT
wob wolfcase: iso supports both yash/gary being town and toni being scum. only scum could have such accurate reads. (jk, he also wanted dactyl shot) I'd say scum!wob would not have expected Crespo to die, and the one post they made sussing Crespo to have much influence at all while being good for their interaction if anything did happen and could've been more proactive in explaining why he would not want the gary shot Gotta say though, I stared at it for a while, and hats off to wob if he's scum. As of now, I have trouble finding much motivation for scum!wob in his iso. Gives an interesting perspective, has pushed Toni without it looking forced, comments advance the game. Don't think there are any strange interactions or ulterior motives I could find? iavh , I am interested in your non-existant point though. I think this was moreso the first few days, as to me wob is reasonably active. I did notice this was during two days town was voted. Do you think wob went inactive to avoid getting attention while town was imploding anyway in the wob!scum case. Furthermore, if wob!scum and you agree, would you argue that the players under pressure in the early days are likely not scum, then? (IF it was on purpose that wob wasn't active). Being inactive has many reasons here, and staying under the radar might be one here. I am not so sure why only s!wob would lurk here, but yes there would also be a chance that t!wob would be inactive for a totally different reason |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:08:45 GMT
I think my POeE is gamewinning.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:09:04 GMT
My POE, as well.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:09:12 GMT
wob wolfcase: iso supports both yash/gary being town and toni being scum. only scum could have such accurate reads. (jk, he also wanted dactyl shot) I'd say scum!wob would not have expected Crespo to die, and the one post they made sussing Crespo to have much influence at all while being good for their interaction if anything did happen and could've been more proactive in explaining why he would not want the gary shot Gotta say though, I stared at it for a while, and hats off to wob if he's scum. As of now, I have trouble finding much motivation for scum!wob in his iso. Gives an interesting perspective, has pushed Toni without it looking forced, comments advance the game. Don't think there are any strange interactions or ulterior motives I could find? iavh , I am interested in your non-existant point though. I think this was moreso the first few days, as to me wob is reasonably active. I did notice this was during two days town was voted. Do you think wob went inactive to avoid getting attention while town was imploding anyway in the wob!scum case. Furthermore, if wob!scum and you agree, would you argue that the players under pressure in the early days are likely not scum, then? (IF it was on purpose that wob wasn't active). Being inactive has many reasons here, and staying under the radar might be one here. I am not so sure why only s!wob would lurk here, but yes there would also be a chance that t!wob would be inactive for a totally different reason I think there's always a chance town lurks (if it's a limited time, it can happen to anyone). But I would like to see you argue why s!wob would benefit from lurking here |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:12:08 GMT
redoing everything bc why not ihbst looking at ihbst iso, very much like me, only gives info when pushed, also ihbst doesnt give explanations to reads, there are many instances where they just gave reads but minimal-zero explanation. schia put up this point where it suggested that ihbst was threadspewed, I don't really understand this slot might be partnered with schia if looking at those things schia my suspect if ihbst flips red 8p and schia gave three shots for poe after bang bang bang there might be a chance where it is 2v3 and schia+whoever it is, thinking ihbst wins the game with those three shots three shots given, seems a bit controlling snaq might b lamist behaviour, but I don't know anymore, I lost faith in humanity long ago yea that's probably it for snaq, being too towny wob I don't know about wob a lot, but wob just seems… nonexistent at times. there might also be occurrences when wob just goes bam and straight into pushing someone, one example might be at around end of d1 when he piled on me for like reasons I dont really understand prod walls I do not have the mental capacity to read. is it just me or what slightly gone under the radar in recent days, and I would probably say coasting, which is fun but I don't agree on in a theme with no nightkills what don't you understand about the threadspewed read. What do you understand about my argument and where does that understanding breakdown. |
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Post by ihbst on May 27, 2023 21:12:25 GMT
Okay, but tell me how are you supposed to further the gamestate I think there's really enough to engage about. But since you already said you this thing about bussing and clemens. Could you present a case where scum!clem wants to bus in popcorn Also a case where town!scum got targeted by toni Explain mechanically why bussing is bad And if you think scum!clem would realise that bussing is bad (/ if he doesn't realise it, if you think he would do it or not) -It is easy to bus if you don't know how it impacts the game, bc giving town info in this theme is especially bad. There is no real way to punish town leaders, so unless you are trying to establish as a town leader (which crespo clearly wasn't) bussing really hurts. I would think if clemens/crespo were aligned then Clemens would also try to "case" crespo back which didn't really happen. Crespo aggressively pushed for Clemens shot, and its def not normal for scum to aggressively push partner so early in game. Clemens/Crespo scum team just doesn't make sense to me |
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Post by Prodigu on May 27, 2023 21:14:38 GMT
I tried looking through what Toni had said prior to being shot, and nothing stood out to me as extremely odd, but i wonder if Toni would have avoided interacting with his fellow scum partners to not draw attention to them? Slots that Toni interacted with before being shot would include Clem, Gary, Myself, ihbst, Schia He never really interacted with Myan or Wob that i could see, or the Dactyl7 slot is it worthwhile to read into this as Toni not wanting to interacted with mafia partners to avoid drawing any attention to them? Toni didn't engage with wob, but this post does have wob interact with Toni. It was basically the first post that impressed me while reading this game, and set wob as a strong TR in my mind early on. While toni did not interact with wob per se, how would this post impact this analysis? Hmm, while wob did interact with Toni, i would say that Toni had ample time TO respond as well which is interesting that he actively chose not to respond. Actually his prior post was his final post as well. Lets say Wob and Toni were scum partners for the sake of the argument. That post was something very easy for anyone to have called Toni out on Wob did just that. If anything id argue that post put distance between them for Wob calling Toni out on it. |
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Post by ihbst on May 27, 2023 21:14:56 GMT
*also want to say that an early information advantage hurts scum a lot, another incentive to not bus early
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Post by iavh on May 27, 2023 21:15:16 GMT
benefit.
-you stay under the radar for an amount of time, even one day survived can be precious for scum
-creates the false image that you aren't here, so they probably push you less
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:16:36 GMT
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Post by ihbst on May 27, 2023 21:16:48 GMT
benefit. -you stay under the radar for an amount of time, even one day survived can be precious for scum -creates the false image that you aren't here, so they probably push you less another thing I want to note is that, at the time of Lucas subbing in, dactyl hasn't logged on since the 22nd so its not "fake lurking " though ig it was obvious bc otherwise they wouldn't have been subbed |
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Post by Gary The Savage on May 27, 2023 21:18:51 GMT
Still unsure who I'm shooting completely.
It will not be Myan
It will sadly not be Clemens
It will probably not be Snaq
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:19:20 GMT
Still unsure who I'm shooting completely. It will not be Myan It will sadly not be Clemens It will probably not be Snaq if not Myan then Prod. |
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Post by ihbst on May 27, 2023 21:19:20 GMT
why not myan
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:20:07 GMT
Toni didn't engage with wob, but this post does have wob interact with Toni. It was basically the first post that impressed me while reading this game, and set wob as a strong TR in my mind early on. While toni did not interact with wob per se, how would this post impact this analysis? Hmm, while wob did interact with Toni, i would say that Toni had ample time TO respond as well which is interesting that he actively chose not to respond. Actually his prior post was his final post as well. Lets say Wob and Toni were scum partners for the sake of the argument. That post was something very easy for anyone to have called Toni out on Wob did just that. If anything id argue that post put distance between them for Wob calling Toni out on it. That's an interesting take. I did not read that day much (outside of ISOs), if you think I should I can read the final part though. Was it clear that Toni was going to be the shot? I do agree that it created distance between them (see my read). But if it wasn't clear that Toni would be the shot, I think that might be one of the riskiest time to put a target on your scumpartner, as it could lead to a last minute shift by the gunbearer. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:20:56 GMT
Snaq I think you should do a full read-through of the game prior to page 30
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:24:40 GMT
Snaq I think you should do a full read-through of the game prior to page 30 You know I probably should, but also I don't want to get demotivated by backtracking all the time ngl. It's been most fun actually engaging with people But I do agree that it'd be a good idea. I'll try to do it tomorrow if not today (if I have energy left after giving all the wolfcases). But I'll read through with the goal of getting myself up to date with what happened overall and not to overanalyze each post  |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:26:00 GMT
it is looking a little less intimidating now we're at 50 pages though. Didn't realise how much % of the posts I've been around by now
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Post by Prodigu on May 27, 2023 21:29:13 GMT
Furthermore, in that line of thinking I would like to ask you if there's players Toni had no choice but to interact with them. If a scumpartner of his "forced" the interaction, he might not have had much of a choice. Do you think any scumpartner would do something like this? Lets case this, lets see who if anyone Toni had no choice but to interact with. First id argue Toni was not forced into interacting with Clem initially, instead it was an easy way to get into the game by calling out a lot of Clems posts as "bad" His response to Gary was not forced imo but it does bring into light a weird read? In this interaction Toni mentioned seeing who would or wouldnt want to read into initial gun, as a way of "forcing" a certain view on Toni himself going by his own logic was ok with talking about reading into gun kinda therefore he isnt scummy I would say his next interactions were "forced" in a light. Schia specifically pinged Toni with a filler question, and Toni responded and I pinged Toni with a "hey i expected to hear something from you by this point" His other forced interactions with Schia was another filler thing, and the real substance was when Schia asked "why is this buddying". Out of anyone to "force" Toni to interact with them I think Schias done a pretty good job of forcing different players to interact with them one way or another overall. |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:32:23 GMT
Still unsure who I'm shooting completely. It will not be Myan It will sadly not be Clemens It will probably not be Snaq When you shoot, would you mind adding some final thoughts about each player. I was upset other gunbearers didn't do this besides their shot (which is obv the main scumread), as I think it'd be valuable insight to get your final perspective |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:33:15 GMT
Snaq I think you should do a full read-through of the game prior to page 30 You know I probably should, but also I don't want to get demotivated by backtracking all the time ngl. It's been most fun actually engaging with people But I do agree that it'd be a good idea. I'll try to do it tomorrow if not today (if I have energy left after giving all the wolfcases). But I'll read through with the goal of getting myself up to date with what happened overall and not to overanalyze each post (zzz) it goes by fast, I don't think it will be a demotivator. I do think it will sharpen your reads. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:34:26 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:36:16 GMT
At the barber for the time being
I'd join you all in going over the Toni stuff but I've already done that and made my thoughts known; @ me with specific concerns and I'll be happy to chat
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 27, 2023 21:38:48 GMT
Schia is there a specific read you presented you'd like me to respond to / consider. I read the wob one because I was wolfcasing them and couldn't really think of much. I can see what you're saying, but I do think a lot of their points seem more controversial than you give him credit for sometimes (can find examples, but I personally remember the post he liked of Yash that you and I both had question marks about)
I'll consider the rest when I'm wolfcasing them though dont worry. But if you're specifically interested in my thoughts on 1
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on May 27, 2023 21:41:35 GMT
Schia is there a specific read you presented you'd like me to respond to / consider. I read the wob one because I was wolfcasing them and couldn't really think of much. I can see what you're saying, but I do think a lot of their points seem more controversial than you give him credit for sometimes (can find examples, but I personally remember the post he liked of Yash that you and I both had question marks about) I'll consider the rest when I'm wolfcasing them though dont worry. But if you're specifically interested in my thoughts on 1 Any/all of the three POE slots I named, but like I said that requires you to have read the game to be especially productive. |
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