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Post by Clouds on Oct 6, 2023 23:39:43 GMT
abdel Edjeanerations Prodigu Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ PenguinD kliff & wob (whose tag doesn't work, gg) let's make a decision here -- ihbst is either scum that's blatantly tmi'ing t!clem, or clem is probably mafia, but the two seem unpaired due to ihbst's latest claim that he just "knows voting clem is a bad idea" the sand post reads horribly and clem being town would also align with the narrative that *some of you* (not naming names) would've set up this game for a bunch of late chainvotes i thought clem made a post a while ago that implied they could be paired when he said he didn't trust my stance on ihbst and voted him, but eh. this latest bit from ihbst is just striking all the wrong notes, and i'll unvote for now until as many of you chime in as possible i know we could just flip both, but i'm worried if i'm wrong for whatever reason then that ends the game, so like, let's address this here and now unvotesorry if i've been too intense or just not as fun as usual to play with this game, i'll fix that. i was just disappointed in myself for letting thread treatment of myan influence my decision to vote them too much when i typically would've defended them, since i townread them for a majority of the game. i get being busy etc but leaving the burden on me to towncase for them without even attempting to help themselves was just not fun fmpov. also in winsy for causing us to waste a vote when each vote is so significant in a format like trials taking a step back and let's start here
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Post by Clouds on Oct 6, 2023 23:42:04 GMT
vote clem
on second thought i'll keep the vote here, but give input when you can. i know abby already has, i know where he stands etc
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Post by kliff on Oct 6, 2023 23:50:35 GMT
Alright, I'm back after a long nap, I'm not going to overthink anything anymore. Think I'll start fresh again too.
We Flip Clem here and move on.
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Post by Clouds on Oct 6, 2023 23:57:43 GMT
do you realize we only need2 town votes for scum to win? yes, so what we do if clem flips town is axe you immediately r2 and then we'll be ok |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 0:12:55 GMT
Atm my current thought process is that even in the event of scum flip for this slot idt it would make my view on a slot more townie due to the ease of bussing the slot you can't name anyone you think would've been bussing clem? |
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Post by abdel on Oct 7, 2023 0:15:26 GMT
abdel Edjeanerations Prodigu Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ PenguinD kliff & wob (whose tag doesn't work, gg) let's make a decision here -- ihbst is either scum that's blatantly tmi'ing t!clem, or clem is probably mafia, but the two seem unpaired due to ihbst's latest claim that he just "knows voting clem is a bad idea" the sand post reads horribly and clem being town would also align with the narrative that *some of you* (not naming names) would've set up this game for a bunch of late chainvotes i thought clem made a post a while ago that implied they could be paired when he said he didn't trust my stance on ihbst and voted him, but eh. this latest bit from ihbst is just striking all the wrong notes, and i'll unvote for now until as many of you chime in as possible i know we could just flip both, but i'm worried if i'm wrong for whatever reason then that ends the game, so like, let's address this here and now unvotesorry if i've been too intense or just not as fun as usual to play with this game, i'll fix that. i was just disappointed in myself for letting thread treatment of myan influence my decision to vote them too much when i typically would've defended them, since i townread them for a majority of the game. i get being busy etc but leaving the burden on me to towncase for them without even attempting to help themselves was just not fun fmpov. also in winsy for causing us to waste a vote when each vote is so significant in a format like trials taking a step back and let's start here how do you see prod + sand |
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Post by PenguinD on Oct 7, 2023 0:21:51 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other
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Post by abdel on Oct 7, 2023 0:27:56 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other see when you use verbiage like "when" it just irks me cause how do you know Clem flips town here... What about his gameplay this game indicates he'd flip town |
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Post by abdel on Oct 7, 2023 0:32:25 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other to be fair this reads more like you're trying to preserve clem than tming him which could be a legitimate townread but i'd still like to read more |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 0:34:41 GMT
abdel Edjeanerations Prodigu Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ PenguinD kliff & wob (whose tag doesn't work, gg) let's make a decision here -- ihbst is either scum that's blatantly tmi'ing t!clem, or clem is probably mafia, but the two seem unpaired due to ihbst's latest claim that he just "knows voting clem is a bad idea" the sand post reads horribly and clem being town would also align with the narrative that *some of you* (not naming names) would've set up this game for a bunch of late chainvotes i thought clem made a post a while ago that implied they could be paired when he said he didn't trust my stance on ihbst and voted him, but eh. this latest bit from ihbst is just striking all the wrong notes, and i'll unvote for now until as many of you chime in as possible i know we could just flip both, but i'm worried if i'm wrong for whatever reason then that ends the game, so like, let's address this here and now unvotesorry if i've been too intense or just not as fun as usual to play with this game, i'll fix that. i was just disappointed in myself for letting thread treatment of myan influence my decision to vote them too much when i typically would've defended them, since i townread them for a majority of the game. i get being busy etc but leaving the burden on me to towncase for them without even attempting to help themselves was just not fun fmpov. also in winsy for causing us to waste a vote when each vote is so significant in a format like trials taking a step back and let's start here how do you see prod + sand not any... strong reason to think they can't pair, but some level of analysis from prodigu on ihbst that i see as being unpartnered & that prod looks better from sand has three mentions of prod. calls prod a scumlean with no elaboration, then null, idfk prod > sand in terms of likelihood of being town |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 0:48:26 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other that's why i opened the discussion about possibly saving clem don't need to be doomer, talk to me, let's work through it you're still a strong town for me, that's not fading even if you don't trust me no matter what the background noise is like or how many people try to convince me you're mafia. i know you're gonna continue to be afraid i'm pocketing you for your own reasons, and that's whatever, but if we at least come to a consensus between each other on who scum might be, then you'd be able to reference my stance if i was to flip r2 basically, i realized that my trial is likely to come earlier in r2 since you, specifically, would feel inclined to vote me. maybe i altered the course of it here by saying this right now... but that's what i'm thinking will happen atm and like this sounds rash but it's true -- if clem is going to be voting me on r2, then that's directly -ev town, so even if he's town, we're running into a road block there unless he's axed here. at the same time, i'm vehemently against that as a strategy and killing someone that could be town is more -ev on principle unvote for now anyways, i want more input |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 0:49:16 GMT
i don't trust t!clem to find t!clouds here, is another way to put it
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 0:52:17 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other to be fair this reads more like you're trying to preserve clem than tming him which could be a legitimate townread but i'd still like to read more i'm glad you followed up with this cause i was gonna call it overzealous if you thought this was tmi'ing, feel like pengy would be more careful with that whereas sand is just blatant |
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Post by abdel on Oct 7, 2023 0:59:59 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other that's why i opened the discussion about possibly saving clem don't need to be doomer, talk to me, let's work through it you're still a strong town for me, that's not fading even if you don't trust me no matter what the background noise is like or how many people try to convince me you're mafia. i know you're gonna continue to be afraid i'm pocketing you for your own reasons, and that's whatever, but if we at least come to a consensus between each other on who scum might be, then you'd be able to reference my stance if i was to flip r2 basically, i realized that my trial is likely to come earlier in r2 since you, specifically, would feel inclined to vote me. maybe i altered the course of it here by saying this right now... but that's what i'm thinking will happen atm and like this sounds rash but it's true -- if clem is going to be voting me on r2, then that's directly -ev town, so even if he's town, we're running into a road block there unless he's axed here. at the same time, i'm vehemently against that as a strategy and killing someone that could be town is more -ev on principle unvote for now anyways, i want more input that was the towniest post out of everybody here this entire game |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 1:00:07 GMT
it would be fire here if peng & abby started tr'ing each other and then clem wound up being town or something and we voted to save him
at this point i feel like we're resigning ourselves to seeing this through, but meh
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Oct 7, 2023 1:00:22 GMT
in any other game i'd call it misrep, but it's clear you're not even really solving at this point, it's just "damn, i disagree with schia, guess he's wolfing, let me build my entire worldview around this singular point of friction, nothing could possibly go wrong" But you are wolfing No, I'm being scapegoated. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Oct 7, 2023 1:01:13 GMT
how did you get me + schia Pretty much my instinct tells me that you guys been trying to lead town down a hole, which is why trails might be the way they are. "instinct"
"vibes"
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Post by abdel on Oct 7, 2023 1:02:23 GMT
it would be fire here if peng & abby started tr'ing each other and then clem wound up being town or something and we voted to save him at this point i feel like we're resigning ourselves to seeing this through, but meh like i said im open to unvoting |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 1:09:02 GMT
yeah ok abby i'm at the place where i think any fears that you're mafia need to be binned, because they're really not based on that much when i break it down & it's just me feeling like i'm running out of options
truth is i'm not, if you're mafia wp you deserve this, think i'll just commit to the townread on you that i've had for the vast majority of this game and hope i'm right, 'cause i'd like to net a comeback win and this feels like the best route
honestly there are parts of me that think there's always the chance i missed 1 in peng/kliff due to feeling strongly about s!schia and schia pushing the two of them hard, but based on peng/kliff themselves, standalone, i don't see either of them as mafia
so there's no saying schia isn't just pushing two villagers EVEN IF they have a hard bussing meta. edj/prod/wob i need to sort out, ihbst lock scum if clem town and probably just mafia anyways, peng/kliff i'm still inclined to send through on r2 but need to cover bases
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Post by PenguinD on Oct 7, 2023 1:09:08 GMT
when clems flips town, we're losing the game. 4v5 in 2nd phase of trials is almost impossible to win unless all of town completely votes with each other see when you use verbiage like "when" it just irks me cause how do you know Clem flips town here... What about his gameplay this game indicates he'd flip town its moreso their gameplay doesnt scream scum to me |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 1:09:26 GMT
No, I'm being scapegoated. oh do you scumread me now? |
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Post by abdel on Oct 7, 2023 1:09:58 GMT
No, I'm being scapegoated. oh do you scumread me now? Bro. |
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 1:11:22 GMT
and again, i'm not building my entire view around you as mafia schia
this is not out of the ordinary solving, i think you're mafia, it affects how i see others in relation to your alignment, but the reads themselves are independent. i just consider partnerships a ton, maybe more than the avg player
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Post by Clouds on Oct 7, 2023 1:11:49 GMT
oh do you scumread me now? Bro. i'm just curious, cause they implied i was scapegoating them |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Oct 7, 2023 1:13:05 GMT
i don't understand how you read this game, which i've basically been playing in the hours between taking work home & going to sleep, and then accuse me of trying to lead town astray. half the game refuses to fucking budge on anything i've put forward, and half the game thinks i'm not playing to my usual vigor, but to pin any of this game's failings on me mere moments after cloud's heelturning on prod is like, flagrantly scummy. it's playing to popular appeal (kliff's MO all game), and hoping "instinct" will cover up for the utter lack of substantiation to the claim
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