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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 5:54:44 GMT
i'm so glad we're all using the thread
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 5:56:03 GMT
my kids have an exam tomorrow which means i don't have to do any direct instruction, so i will be like, marginally less tired than usual if i stay up late as long as i have some coffee
all the things you are posting on discord you can be posting here on proboards
right now
in our lifetime
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 5:57:04 GMT
like all the synchronous interactions y'all are craving can be had right here
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 5:57:47 GMT
and because it's OC, you can literally pull logs from the public discord channels in order to continue the convos you're having here!!!! but the trick is you have to actually do it
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 6:12:14 GMT
i am taking note of your (plural) reticence to use the thread for synchronous messaging
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Post by litteleven on Nov 8, 2023 6:15:08 GMT
Fame - argue with me if you find non townie kliff - argue if you find non townie PenguinD - repetitive, towny d1 but everything you have done since IS BASED OFF D1 Clouds - meltdown + insistence to reset today was out of character; more likely a breakdown than a come to jesus moment, believe something mech is happening gl hf Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - say what you want to say, no more dms; macdougall - yeah sure you got jked n1 but im failing to see what you've done this game MyanMario - what have you done this game part 2 electric boogaloo iamveryhappy - no actual clue why people sr this guy he's the goat (not really) sayggtome - average oc circlejerk enthusiast (derogatory) what have you done this game part 3 NewsDan - opportunist jumps on latest thing but has no real thoughts (SHOCKING) saltiestcactus23 - passive af, asked me in dms for reads earlier to 0 (zero) interaction with them, from word of mouth that's the same with other people so saltiestcactus23 TALK TO US for every person alive today that refuses to interact with this i feed a chocolate to the nearest puppy at eod |
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Post by macdougall on Nov 8, 2023 6:15:33 GMT
Okay this is a silly game at the moment. I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and say a bunch of stuff.
During the night I had a lot of chats with people, and formulated some of my more strong reads of the game in some of our night private chats. I think that the night private chats were really productive, but I also agree with Schia that we should take advantage of the thread as a unified, aligned communication channel during daychat. Especially now. It offers a great deal more in terms of unity and in terms of coalescence allowing townies to read each other better, and making it harder for the mafia to coast.
Schia mentioned to me just now in a private chat that the kills made sense but they also made sense in a way where it's mafia trying to win via attrition, okay yes. Edj and Prodigu were both towny. I townread them both. They were in my townreads that I shared with everyone. They were also in his that he shared with me, and everyone I chatted to had them as town. Nobody had doubt on those slots. They are logical killls. Schia and Clouds, are two strong players here, that I have experience with and I shared suspicion towards both of them, to people within my night chats. So, at the very least there are players in the game, who knew that I suspected them both and I think a lot of people are/were not really townreading me or scumreading me and my claimed night action is a n5 action so me not dying makes sense. Me not dying, and neither of Schia or Clouds dying... makes sense because let's face it they are pushable both of them.
So, it's going to be easy for mafia and derpy town to go lizard brain and want to just kill into the "strong players" now, and I don't think that it's outrageous to assume that Schia and Clouds are possibly wolves but the halfway ruling isn't exactly bulletproof in this scenario, and given the payoff of driving a chaos into the heart of the town by leaving them here with me, and removing two players all three of us townread and would have really appreciated being here today, really makes me think that it's likely they might both actually be town?
It's interesting that the mafia have managed to avoid cross killing. It's interesting that the mafia managed to figure out how optimal both of those kills were. It makes me wonder whether the mafia haven't actually solved each other's alignment privately and aren't ... working together already as a group of 4?
Anyway the public service announcement is over. I really want to play a good mafia game here. I want you guys to play a cool and fun social deduction game. A really challenging one that we are losing, but let's just give it a good shot and figuring it out and solving it hey. Let's start by, all taking the time to just dump some thoughts right here, into this here thread just like I just did. Let's go.
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Post by litteleven on Nov 8, 2023 6:17:03 GMT
definitely meant to add something about schia
decisive + has right idea to apply pressure in disc when livetiming
otoh actual thought process is obscured to me though i have a sense it exists in dms etc
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Post by macdougall on Nov 8, 2023 6:21:19 GMT
This was my overnight solve.
litteleven - poe
Clouds - tinfoil
iamveryhappy - i think miselim
fame - towny solving mindset
Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - tinfoil
PenguinD - poe
prodigu - town
saltiestcactus23 - poe
kliff - kind of think they are just town on claim
Edjeanerations - town for their energy post solve in
MyanMario - poe
NewsDan - i lean town
saygg - lightly towny
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Post by litteleven on Nov 8, 2023 6:23:40 GMT
Okay this is a silly game at the moment. I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and say a bunch of stuff. During the night I had a lot of chats with people, and formulated some of my more strong reads of the game in some of our night private chats. I think that the night private chats were really productive, but I also agree with Schia that we should take advantage of the thread as a unified, aligned communication channel during daychat. Especially now. It offers a great deal more in terms of unity and in terms of coalescence allowing townies to read each other better, and making it harder for the mafia to coast. Schia mentioned to me just now in a private chat that the kills made sense but they also made sense in a way where it's mafia trying to win via attrition, okay yes. Edj and Prodigu were both towny. I townread them both. They were in my townreads that I shared with everyone. They were also in his that he shared with me, and everyone I chatted to had them as town. Nobody had doubt on those slots. They are logical killls. Schia and Clouds, are two strong players here, that I have experience with and I shared suspicion towards both of them, to people within my night chats. So, at the very least there are players in the game, who knew that I suspected them both and I think a lot of people are/were not really townreading me or scumreading me and my claimed night action is a n5 action so me not dying makes sense. Me not dying, and neither of Schia or Clouds dying... makes sense because let's face it they are pushable both of them. So, it's going to be easy for mafia and derpy town to go lizard brain and want to just kill into the "strong players" now, and I don't think that it's outrageous to assume that Schia and Clouds are possibly wolves but the halfway ruling isn't exactly bulletproof in this scenario, and given the payoff of driving a chaos into the heart of the town by leaving them here with me, and removing two players all three of us townread and would have really appreciated being here today, really makes me think that it's likely they might both actually be town? It's interesting that the mafia have managed to avoid cross killing. It's interesting that the mafia managed to figure out how optimal both of those kills were. It makes me wonder whether the mafia haven't actually solved each other's alignment privately and aren't ... working together already as a group of 4? Anyway the public service announcement is over. I really want to play a good mafia game here. I want you guys to play a cool and fun social deduction game. A really challenging one that we are losing, but let's just give it a good shot and figuring it out and solving it hey. Let's start by, all taking the time to just dump some thoughts right here, into this here thread just like I just did. Let's go. yeah i wouldn't wonder why your "town" "reads" died if you aired them to a bunch of people in dms personally |
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Post by macdougall on Nov 8, 2023 6:23:53 GMT
definitely meant to add something about schia decisive + has right idea to apply pressure in disc when livetiming otoh actual thought process is obscured to me though i have a sense it exists in dms etc I haven't done all that much this game. It's a fair accusation. I often find it difficult to get myself into games on new communities. This game is atypical in its structure with the discord chat. It felt memey early and I have prioritised work and other things over it. It has a weird EOD. All up has meant it's hard for me to get into. I did probably the most amount of solving and of engagement overnight. I have interest in solving it now. Generally my thoughts are that in games like this, where town are getting pasted, wolves find motivation difficult. Some townies do, but wolves get complacent. They are way ahead, they just need to figure out a cpl more miselims and they are good. So let's take advantage of that, are up our wim. And do some solving. I'm here to jam. Let's jam now. You are in my POE. I am in yours. I am town, if you are town, let's figure it out... let's not be the miselims the mafia needs. What do you make of my POE? |
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Post by macdougall on Nov 8, 2023 6:25:03 GMT
Okay this is a silly game at the moment. I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and say a bunch of stuff. During the night I had a lot of chats with people, and formulated some of my more strong reads of the game in some of our night private chats. I think that the night private chats were really productive, but I also agree with Schia that we should take advantage of the thread as a unified, aligned communication channel during daychat. Especially now. It offers a great deal more in terms of unity and in terms of coalescence allowing townies to read each other better, and making it harder for the mafia to coast. Schia mentioned to me just now in a private chat that the kills made sense but they also made sense in a way where it's mafia trying to win via attrition, okay yes. Edj and Prodigu were both towny. I townread them both. They were in my townreads that I shared with everyone. They were also in his that he shared with me, and everyone I chatted to had them as town. Nobody had doubt on those slots. They are logical killls. Schia and Clouds, are two strong players here, that I have experience with and I shared suspicion towards both of them, to people within my night chats. So, at the very least there are players in the game, who knew that I suspected them both and I think a lot of people are/were not really townreading me or scumreading me and my claimed night action is a n5 action so me not dying makes sense. Me not dying, and neither of Schia or Clouds dying... makes sense because let's face it they are pushable both of them. So, it's going to be easy for mafia and derpy town to go lizard brain and want to just kill into the "strong players" now, and I don't think that it's outrageous to assume that Schia and Clouds are possibly wolves but the halfway ruling isn't exactly bulletproof in this scenario, and given the payoff of driving a chaos into the heart of the town by leaving them here with me, and removing two players all three of us townread and would have really appreciated being here today, really makes me think that it's likely they might both actually be town? It's interesting that the mafia have managed to avoid cross killing. It's interesting that the mafia managed to figure out how optimal both of those kills were. It makes me wonder whether the mafia haven't actually solved each other's alignment privately and aren't ... working together already as a group of 4? Anyway the public service announcement is over. I really want to play a good mafia game here. I want you guys to play a cool and fun social deduction game. A really challenging one that we are losing, but let's just give it a good shot and figuring it out and solving it hey. Let's start by, all taking the time to just dump some thoughts right here, into this here thread just like I just did. Let's go. yeah i wouldn't wonder why your "town" "reads" died if you aired them to a bunch of people in dms personally Look I know that you seem tense, and I get why you might be tense given how this day has begun and the current gamestate, but you don't need to be tense. You don't need to communicate to me with snark. I'm here trying to be productive and trying to help the town. So if you're town, let's just talk and not be needlessly rude and belittling, cool? |
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Post by litteleven on Nov 8, 2023 6:25:16 GMT
This was my overnight solve. litteleven - poe Clouds - tinfoil iamveryhappy - i think miselim fame - towny solving mindset Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - tinfoil PenguinD - poe prodigu - town saltiestcactus23 - poe kliff - kind of think they are just town on claim Edjeanerations - town for their energy post solve in MyanMario - poe NewsDan - i lean town saygg - lightly towny list whoever you solved w/ out of curiosity also can you explain why those kills signal winning by attrition; whether you hold the thought or don't (also paging Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪) |
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Post by macdougall on Nov 8, 2023 6:26:29 GMT
On the subject of what you just said, if you are implying that sharing my townreads in discord was somehow dumb or ill conceived... I don't really understand how you could think that. Sharing reads is necessary and normal thing for townies to do to share ideas and gauge reactions. It's kinda weird that you think that I am dumb or something for sharing my reads? Why would you think that?
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Post by litteleven on Nov 8, 2023 6:28:30 GMT
yeah i wouldn't wonder why your "town" "reads" died if you aired them to a bunch of people in dms personally Look I know that you seem tense, and I get why you might be tense given how this day has begun and the current gamestate, but you don't need to be tense. You don't need to communicate to me with snark. I'm here trying to be productive and trying to help the town. So if you're town, let's just talk and not be needlessly rude and belittling, cool? minus the belittling part (not my intention) there's def annoyance in secret solves in a game where town gets kept away from important info the last oc game i played (schia linked earlier i believe) featured a pretty similar theme where scum had a ton of info fed to them in a setup that was more-or-less unfavourable for them getting turned around cause a deepwolf had access to town planning |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 6:29:23 GMT
Fame - argue with me if you find non townie kliff - argue if you find non townie PenguinD - repetitive, towny d1 but everything you have done since IS BASED OFF D1 Clouds - meltdown + insistence to reset today was out of character; more likely a breakdown than a come to jesus moment, believe something mech is happening gl hf
Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - say what you want to say, no more dms; macdougall - yeah sure you got jked n1 but im failing to see what you've done this game MyanMario - what have you done this game part 2 electric boogaloo iamveryhappy - no actual clue why people sr this guy he's the goat (not really) sayggtome - average oc circlejerk enthusiast (derogatory) what have you done this game part 3 NewsDan - opportunist jumps on latest thing but has no real thoughts (SHOCKING) saltiestcactus23 - passive af, asked me in dms for reads earlier to 0 (zero) interaction with them, from word of mouth that's the same with other people so saltiestcactus23 TALK TO US for every person alive today that refuses to interact with this i feed a chocolate to the nearest puppy at eod re: bold, i did, you remained Inert. to say what has already been severally expressed, i think you are a valuable town voice but also just haven't done much beyond how i know you to be able to operate as scum, giving bare minimum, and i've had flashes of towniness from you that mostly come from like, dispositional qualia, but i need it to be sustained, which i'm only just now getting
re: various bits and frills agree with you re: newsdan, he also has some heelturns mid-convo that track as wolfy coursecorrecting (screengrabs will come Later) i feel like you can probably infer some of my grievances w/ Clouds here, i don't think you're off mark, but i also don't think it's impossible for him to be town here, and maybe it's the game i just wolfed him in if he's town, or maybe it's just champs fatigue if he's wolf, but i do not like the volatility of the slot whatsoever and i think the game benefits from tackling it head-on
i think mac has similar "either-or" issues where nothing he's saying is *wrong* per se but it's not really out of range, and having played a BUNCH of games with him as town & having clocked him a few times as wolf, i'm not comfortable locking in a firm take either way but i do think that he, like Clouds (and myself) is an urgency slot, and i don't like how little input there seems to be from the rest of the roster around the more "centralizing" slots if that makes sense
like you can see where he mentioned it above (&he's not the only one i've expressed it to) but the way the days are going and the way these NKs are going this feels very clearly like the sort of game where at least one wolf is capable of doing enough to stay afloat & so is directing their nightplay toward wearing town out moreso than directly trying to evade suspicion
i agree with you re: myan but he also played this way through trials as town (part of what allowed us to win) so i feel like there needs to be an intervention beyond just "Policy this" there
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Post by macdougall on Nov 8, 2023 6:30:08 GMT
This was my overnight solve. litteleven - poe Clouds - tinfoil iamveryhappy - i think miselim fame - towny solving mindset Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - tinfoil PenguinD - poe prodigu - town saltiestcactus23 - poe kliff - kind of think they are just town on claim Edjeanerations - town for their energy post solve in MyanMario - poe NewsDan - i lean town saygg - lightly towny list whoever you solved w/ out of curiosity also can you explain why those kills signal winning by attrition; whether you hold the thought or don't (also paging Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ ) I'm not sure I want to, I intentionally didn't say it. I even lied about my reads on those people in this list so that they wouldn't be outed by it. I like my towncore, it's a small one. They evidenced themselves strongly to me. I don't really want to fuck with it. To me, what you're asking is almost like asking me to out my masonry. I don't want to. The entirety of it, lived through the night. So I don't really want to ruin it. I think those kills signal that the mafia are just trying to kill through the spk's that they won't miselim because they are in a position of confidence and intend to just let the town mald, stew and lose via meltdown. Call it attrition, call it whatever, that's what they look like. They aren't weird kills at all. They are just "next good widely townread up" kills. That the mafia basically killed the two players that I really wish they didn't, is giving me pause that the mafia are aware of each other's existence maybe. Is there a possibility that the mafia have randed one of the PRs that managed to help them get a red check on the other team and then hit them up in private DM to join forces? |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 6:30:59 GMT
like my biggest gripe is that the people who are "villagery", with a singular exception, aren't being *notably* villagery, and the folks who are being wolfy are given to being wolfy by sheer virtue of not making an effort to be villagery
and it feels unfair to say "you're just not trying" but it's the vibe i get from Where We're At, and How The Past Two EODs Have Gone
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Post by litteleven on Nov 8, 2023 6:31:54 GMT
This was my overnight solve. litteleven - poe Clouds - tinfoil iamveryhappy - i think miselim fame - towny solving mindset Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - tinfoil PenguinD - poe prodigu - town saltiestcactus23 - poe kliff - kind of think they are just town on claim Edjeanerations - town for their energy post solve in MyanMario - poe NewsDan - i lean town saygg - lightly towny i posted mine a bit ago so direct comparison not sure on your iavh progression to start, or where it derives from things we p much differ on are like: peng poe news town: check disc @ latest discussion i really didn't like their choice of trying to escalate clouds v schia because of how it was in the moment, preceded by a performative comment on how they were lazy about prod sr saygg lightly town: (private chat rollover? other people's thoughts? idk) |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 6:32:01 GMT
definitely meant to add something about schia decisive + has right idea to apply pressure in disc when livetiming otoh actual thought process is obscured to me though i have a sense it exists in dms etc it does, but not as many as you might think, and it also exists in pub channels |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Nov 8, 2023 6:33:13 GMT
Okay this is a silly game at the moment. I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and say a bunch of stuff. During the night I had a lot of chats with people, and formulated some of my more strong reads of the game in some of our night private chats. I think that the night private chats were really productive, but I also agree with Schia that we should take advantage of the thread as a unified, aligned communication channel during daychat. Especially now. It offers a great deal more in terms of unity and in terms of coalescence allowing townies to read each other better, and making it harder for the mafia to coast. Schia mentioned to me just now in a private chat that the kills made sense but they also made sense in a way where it's mafia trying to win via attrition, okay yes. Edj and Prodigu were both towny. I townread them both. They were in my townreads that I shared with everyone. They were also in his that he shared with me, and everyone I chatted to had them as town. Nobody had doubt on those slots. They are logical killls. Schia and Clouds, are two strong players here, that I have experience with and I shared suspicion towards both of them, to people within my night chats. So, at the very least there are players in the game, who knew that I suspected them both and I think a lot of people are/were not really townreading me or scumreading me and my claimed night action is a n5 action so me not dying makes sense. Me not dying, and neither of Schia or Clouds dying... makes sense because let's face it they are pushable both of them. So, it's going to be easy for mafia and derpy town to go lizard brain and want to just kill into the "strong players" now, and I don't think that it's outrageous to assume that Schia and Clouds are possibly wolves but the halfway ruling isn't exactly bulletproof in this scenario, and given the payoff of driving a chaos into the heart of the town by leaving them here with me, and removing two players all three of us townread and would have really appreciated being here today, really makes me think that it's likely they might both actually be town? It's interesting that the mafia have managed to avoid cross killing. It's interesting that the mafia managed to figure out how optimal both of those kills were. It makes me wonder whether the mafia haven't actually solved each other's alignment privately and aren't ... working together already as a group of 4? Anyway the public service announcement is over. I really want to play a good mafia game here. I want you guys to play a cool and fun social deduction game. A really challenging one that we are losing, but let's just give it a good shot and figuring it out and solving it hey. Let's start by, all taking the time to just dump some thoughts right here, into this here thread just like I just did. Let's go. i want to stress that regardless of how you read mac, clouds or myself right now in this moment, this post is accurate |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 8, 2023 6:34:10 GMT
Fame - argue with me if you find non townie kliff - argue if you find non townie PenguinD - repetitive, towny d1 but everything you have done since IS BASED OFF D1 Clouds - meltdown + insistence to reset today was out of character; more likely a breakdown than a come to jesus moment, believe something mech is happening gl hf Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - say what you want to say, no more dms; macdougall - yeah sure you got jked n1 but im failing to see what you've done this game MyanMario - what have you done this game part 2 electric boogaloo iamveryhappy - no actual clue why people sr this guy he's the goat (not really) sayggtome - average oc circlejerk enthusiast (derogatory) what have you done this game part 3 NewsDan - opportunist jumps on latest thing but has no real thoughts (SHOCKING) saltiestcactus23 - passive af, asked me in dms for reads earlier to 0 (zero) interaction with them, from word of mouth that's the same with other people so saltiestcactus23 TALK TO US for every person alive today that refuses to interact with this i feed a chocolate to the nearest puppy at eod - agreed, townie slot kliff - agreed, townie slot peng - lean town, has weird moments like immediately jumping to the conclusion that the edj kill was "to frame him" but otherwise strong end of day 1 & decent day 2 schia - keeps making their stronger pushes in 1 on 1s as opposed to chat so not convinced they care about their pushes dying, also other reasons mac - attempts to project towniness, has some townie moments but keeps acting like a savior, jk'd n1 and then kliff didn't die when kliff was tr'ing mac's positioning in the jk scenario myan - slot sucks, has done increasingly weird things with each night in passing, drops reads only when forced to and then ditches, realistically should've been yesterday's vote iavh - has done nothing as expected, not making themselves an obvious townread but also hasn't done anything immediately scummy as they usually do as mafia saygg - townlean but has all the incentive to keep me alive as mafia and i'm aware of that, still believe a lot of their posting atm newsdan - soft townlean, more based on day 1, has fallen off, still wouldn't kill today as it stands but need to see how they dive in here or if they get complacent sc - blatantly scummy, fixated on my regressing read on schia in 1 on 1, choosing to interact with a lot of the game in 1 on 1 and is afraid of pubchat, just kill this litteleven - i agree with a lot of your worldview at least... |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 8, 2023 6:35:30 GMT
re: schia, this applies to pre-day 3, they're airing scumreads now
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Post by Clouds on Nov 8, 2023 6:37:36 GMT
This was my overnight solve. litteleven - poe Clouds - tinfoil iamveryhappy - i think miselim fame - towny solving mindset Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ - tinfoil PenguinD - poe prodigu - town saltiestcactus23 - poe kliff - kind of think they are just town on claim Edjeanerations - town for their energy post solve in MyanMario - poe NewsDan - i lean town saygg - lightly towny i posted mine a bit ago so direct comparison not sure on your iavh progression to start, or where it derives from things we p much differ on are like: peng poe news town: check disc @ latest discussion i really didn't like their choice of trying to escalate clouds v schia because of how it was in the moment, preceded by a performative comment on how they were lazy about prod sr saygg lightly town: (private chat rollover? other people's thoughts? idk) who is the bolded referring to? |
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Post by Clouds on Nov 8, 2023 6:37:48 GMT
vote SaltiestCactus
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