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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:14:43 GMT
this om is lowkey giving me scum vibes says it here too, likely one of the nights with only 1 kill they attempted a kill on the WW Read the game before you just straight up make up shit to support your argument dude |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:17:21 GMT
clouds could be wolf too, but like om is wolfier Honestly, i always thought PDs death was weird when they hadnt done much / accomplished much, but he died after saying you were wolfy This is quite literally someone I townlocked and was being treated as town by the entire game
Like yes this coincides with the phase penguind died but uh he wasn't doing anything about it and quite frankly all of his reads were similarly fickle.
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:21:52 GMT
i rlly dont see much besides what ur saying, could be wolfsided logic but seems to make sense considering its possible mafia hit ww unless sand hit scum (correct if wrong) Sand jailed Tbz (mafia) they were promptly voted and flipped mafia yesterday And then sand died last night and flipped JK WW had to hit jailed mafia as there were no Nks the night tbz got jailed (Idk if this was the confirmation you needed here) Yesterday was a 4v1v1 and Mafia came into the day fully knowing WW attempted to kill them last night, their only out was to vote WW yesterday otherwise they were dying during the night If OM was town (and a misvote) last night wouldve been a 3v1v1 where Mafia knows WW and WW knows mafia either both would have killed town or WW would have killed mafia Which is why OM was not a misvote b/c mafia had to have WW voted at that point
I don't see why I'm killing easy lunch TBZ there - how does this support or progress wolf!om's game? Don't I want to just flip a town member, get a double kill, and then win off of LYLO? Werewolf is much more favoured to win a 1v1v1, especially after the jk basically outed mafia member tbz
Like idk dude these are such surface level reads more indicative of you trying to throw me utb than you actually believing you've solved me as the werewolf 100% - it's the same thing flush was complaining about before he died.
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:23:50 GMT
This read on me is giving James Somerton levels of accuracy
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:34:47 GMT
are u able to elaborate a bit on your tr on ddlc? me towning you and DDLC comes from the mindset that Mafia has to have WW voted, Mafia never made a push to have either of you voted, and im gonna say more than likely Mafia fully knew who WW was. Clouds tried to set up OM into the Poe And Tbz also voted OM and said more than 1 day that OM was scum Both of these players flipped Mafia Frankly - I don't think him confirming me as part of pairs that could never be mafia together as "in the poe" and I have already stated why this werewolf read is shoddy at best and misreading the entire game at worst.
Like, let's look at the post: let's start here players that are most likely never mafia together: - camryn & prodigu - om & prodigu - om & iavh - tbz & gary dispute these, second them, or provide your own pairs you don't think exist ruling out partnerships isn't a picture perfect way to solve this with werewolf still alive, but it helps This post:
Throws camryn, gary and iavh in (conf town)
Throws myself and yourself in twice (one, possibly two town - more likely to be one town one werewolf)
Throws TBZ in (Mafia Member)
This post does not: state any of us are mafia / throw us in the poe.
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:35:39 GMT
Sand jailed Tbz (mafia) they were promptly voted and flipped mafia yesterday And then sand died last night and flipped JK WW had to hit jailed mafia as there were no Nks the night tbz got jailed (Idk if this was the confirmation you needed here) Yesterday was a 4v1v1 and Mafia came into the day fully knowing WW attempted to kill them last night, their only out was to vote WW yesterday otherwise they were dying during the night If OM was town (and a misvote) last night wouldve been a 3v1v1 where Mafia knows WW and WW knows mafia either both would have killed town or WW would have killed mafia Which is why OM was not a misvote b/c mafia had to have WW voted at that point
I don't see why I'm killing easy lunch TBZ there - how does this support or progress wolf!om's game? Don't I want to just flip a town member, get a double kill, and then win off of LYLO? Werewolf is much more favoured to win a 1v1v1, especially after the jk basically outed mafia member tbz
Like idk dude these are such surface level reads more indicative of you trying to throw me utb than you actually believing you've solved me as the werewolf 100% - it's the same thing flush was complaining about before he died.
Furthermore - TBZ literally got jailkept yesterday, meaning any mechanical information from a read on me is moot lmao |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:40:15 GMT
I'm also not getting off of no vote by the way I'd rather make sure I'm right about prodigu read first rather than assume based on context
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:40:56 GMT
Anyways, to summarize ProdiguYour read: - Outright interprets TBZ's read on me incorrectly (the first post and vote on me from last phase outright do not work because of confirmed jailkeeping) - Outright ignores the context of TBZ's read on me (the first read on me straight up is from a night with two kills, and we know that OS vig was already used n1.) - Outright misinterprets Clouds' post / read (he has had me as a member of the town completely and utterly until that one post, and that post doesn't even put me in the poe) - Outright contradicts good gameplay from W!OM - Outright takes a fucking high jump away from PenguinD's gameplay in context - Is Incorrect. I am Vanilla Townie. Fake better my guy. |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:43:00 GMT
I'm also not getting off of no vote by the way I'd rather make sure I'm right about prodigu read first rather than assume based on context This makes no sense and that's because I forgot an entire fucking post in another tab LMAO one second |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:43:45 GMT
I can't tell if prod is wolf pocketing me or just good town making note than OM is nving but no one else seems to want to I have been the “good vote” literally every day of this game, i would like to reason with 2 people instead of 1 for why i am not the good vote, b/c ik lylo will come down to one of the 2 of you/ddlc + me and OM And you've lived for the exact same reason everytime (being justtttttttttt townie / active enough.), whereas every attempt to push me has come from mafia members trying to destabilize my credibility :x Clouds didn't even properly set me up as a scumread they just said these partnerships could/couldn't exist
If you're at all familiar with my town / wolf game, I'm pretty easy to figure out when I'm scum. atp I'm just going to assume you're the werewolf making one last read for volo setup considering it would make much more sense for the other two to just priority vote me to end the game today if they were ww.
I'm also not getting off of no vote by the way I'd rather make sure I'm right about prodigu read first rather than assume based on context This post was supposed to come before the clouds post analysis oops |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 1:44:08 GMT
But yeah, conclusion is still the following post: Anyways, to summarize Prodigu Your read: - Outright interprets TBZ's read on me incorrectly (the first post and vote on me from last phase outright do not work because of confirmed jailkeeping) - Outright ignores the context of TBZ's read on me (the first read on me straight up is from a night with two kills, and we know that OS vig was already used n1.) - Outright misinterprets Clouds' post / read (he has had me as a member of the town completely and utterly until that one post, and that post doesn't even put me in the poe) - Outright contradicts good gameplay from W!OM - Outright takes a fucking high jump away from PenguinD's gameplay in context - Is Incorrect. I am Vanilla Townie. Fake better my guy. |
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Post by MyanMario on Dec 12, 2023 15:33:39 GMT
good morning
can we bring back discussion
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 15:56:56 GMT
good morning can we bring back discussion Sure what's up |
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Post by MyanMario on Dec 12, 2023 16:13:35 GMT
good morning can we bring back discussion Sure what's up you tell me! what's your read on me and ddlc, from what I've seen today you think prod is wolf (?) but how confident are you on that read |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Dec 12, 2023 17:43:01 GMT
Myan I think me and u r the clear town. And one of us will throw lylo!
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Dec 12, 2023 17:43:35 GMT
If im in lulo I will dive deep into isos but u could also kill me  |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Dec 12, 2023 17:44:17 GMT
Currently torn so no way we don’t nv btw
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Post by MyanMario on Dec 12, 2023 17:51:45 GMT
Myan I think me and u r the clear town. And one of us will throw lylo!  |
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Post by Prodigu on Dec 12, 2023 18:38:41 GMT
If im in lulo I will dive deep into isos but u could also kill me Im gonna try to pose you both with questions that imo you should take a look at together (this is gonna be your one chance to converse with one another (Myan and ddlc) because tomorrow, if OM is correct that I am WW and conversely if I am correct that OM is WW one of you will very definitely be hearing from 2 extremely biased view points, so rn is your opportunity to hear from someone less biased. First off (1) I do have a counter argument to OMs conclusion which i will post later when I am on my Pc, i am not posting it on mobile as it requires me to quote multiple different posts and Id like to give it due justice (i also have it already written on my pc so it makes it a lot easier on me) Now to the rest: My suggestion currently: ISOs you should look at: OM’s, Mine, and the Mafia Team’s (consisting of Fame, Fenrir, Clouds and Tbz) As well: You both should take a look over my argument for why OM is WW and OM’s rebuttal (as well as my counter argument that I will post later) Questions you should both consider: (1) Did Mafia know who the WW was? (At any point this game) (2) How did the Mafia attempt to achieve their win con? (reminder here that mafia needs to have the WW voted) (3) Attempt to get into the viewpoint of Tbz: Why does Tbz vote OM? Is this a question worth throwing out the window? Also consider: Why doesnt Tbz consider voting Me, ddlc, or Myan? How does voting OM advance Tbz’s win con? OM has stated that Tbz has attempted to hurt his credibility as town and thats the only reason for his vote, Is this true? (4) Fwiw lets say I am WW for the sake of the argument, how am i achieving my win con by attempting to take on OM here? This is a wifom question: (but imo its decent to consider) What would be the optimal play for Scum!Prod to make today? (5) Does PDs death mean anything? (6) Clouds said i was a TR for him, and defended me a bunch I am confirmed Not Mafia atp. Does this mean anything? MyanMario Pinging you here too with this just to try to make sure you see it |
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Post by Alexander489 on Dec 12, 2023 21:49:05 GMT
Votecount 8.1
If there is an issue with the votecount or if you notice any errors, let me know and I will correct it.
If day were to end now, No One would be voted out.
There are ~3 hours and 12 minutes left.
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 21:53:10 GMT
you tell me! what's your read on me and ddlc, from what I've seen today you think prod is wolf (?) but how confident are you on that read Frankly I'm probably at 80-15-5 - I think the only reason Prodigu has for this railroad of me is because he sees it as his only way forward as ww, but I also think you and ddlc have had opportunities to make sure I die and auto win as ww and haven't gone for it, with ddlc less likely to be ww than you are
But I'm equally not confident in mylo situations  so I'm not fullsending a "fuck it we duel now" moment
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Post by Prodigu on Dec 12, 2023 22:15:32 GMT
Anyways, to summarize Prodigu Your read: A Outright interprets TBZ's read on me incorrectly (the first post and vote on me from last phase outright do not work because of confirmed jailkeeping) B Outright ignores the context of TBZ's read on me (the first read on me straight up is from a night with two kills, and we know that OS vig was already used n1.) C Outright misinterprets Clouds' post / read (he has had me as a member of the town completely and utterly until that one post, and that post doesn't even put me in the poe) D Outright contradicts good gameplay from W!OM E Outright takes a fucking high jump away from PenguinD's gameplay in context F Is Incorrect. I am Vanilla Townie. Fake better my guy. Alright lets take a look (gonna hope this actually sends correctly i had to refresh the page) A Explain how it doesnt work here due to confirmed jailkeeping? Anything that Tbz said has to be discounted due to them being jailkept? Atp what does Tbz get out of attempting to harm the credibility of one of the most TR players in the game? S!Tbz fully knows that WW attempted a kill on them last night, and that their own kill was blocked due to JK the only out that S!Tbz has here is to get WW voted, otherwise 1 of 3 situations will occur. 1: S!Tbz will just be jailkept again and definitely not get their kill off a second time 2: S!Tbz if he isnt jailkept will be killed by the WW, the only out that S!Tbz has here is to have WW voted to show that a kill attempt was made on him while jailed. 3: S!Tbz will be voted out the same day. Ikr ddlc zzzz Voting tbz is basically a coinflip that joke successfully blocked a kill  In a separate post you said optimal play was for W!OM to get a town player voted out, here you specifically say Tbz being scum or not is a coinflip. Is it entirely possible Tbz is town rn here and that both scum attempted to kill him? Yes. Its a lot easier to just get Tbz voted out here, if theyre town, great, if theyre the last mafia, that works too. W!OM will be able to settle with getting the jailkept potential scum out and clean sweep Lylo with getting one of Prod / DDLC / Myan slots voted. Likely a lylo consisting of Prod/DDLC/OM, in which Prod gets voted. B This does not contradict the worldview. N2 Yes 2 people died. However, if we look back a lil further. N1 only Edj died, and OS vig was claimed to be used (Unknown context for why it did not go through). This puts 1 faction kill not accounted for. So, the possibility that mafia hit the WW N1 does currently exist,and does not contradict that statement. Therefore the worldview that states Mafia attempted a N1 kill on WW fully exists currently. idk how much game-player meta is appreciated but prot is tl to me vote OMcall this rvs if needed, still trying to read when i can, juggling a lotta games atm I don't think this is reasonable even as an rvs vote unless you specifically believe I'm the werewolf (which I also think is insane given 2 days ago) - Clouds was already setting me up to place me in poe based on his pairings talk You were the one that said Clouds was setting you up to place you in the POE,based on his pairings talk. It doesnt put you in the POE, but you are the one that has stated here he was setting up to do exactly that. fwiw. C contradicts this statement. You have thus said: Clouds was setting you up to place you in the POE based on his pairings talk, and you also say that Clouds' post is being misinterpreted, and that it was not placing you in the POE based on the pairings talk. Feels like you created a contradiction here. D We both know I havent played a game with you in years, saying i have the knowledge of good OM wolfplay and that ik P meta is a bad argument. But a W!OM game isnt outright impossible, honestly rn if you are WW or you are Town, I will firmly say youve played this entire game extremely well. clouds could be wolf too, but like om is wolfier Fwiw lets say im the WW and entertain the world view. What do i get out of killing PD? Overall the slot poses not much threat to me imo in a Prod!W world, compared to you however, youd probably have been a priority kill for Prod!W atp as you would be a slot i would have an extreme amount of difficulty circumventing. F I am the VT. Fwiw if Prod = WW = True what do i get out of trying to take you down here? Lets speak optimally for a minute here. The best play for Prod!W is to say absolutely nothing and let plur NV occur, and to kill OM as the nightkill if i havent already, and go into lylo with Myan and DDLC and get Myan to vote ddlc as i am a TL for Myan currently. Is this statement wifom? Yes. but we both know its outright better and easier to win this way as WW for me. So currently: In conclusion, you have 1) Attempted to discredit a world view by using the N2 actions to corroborate this, when the N1 actions / deaths still suggest otherwise. 2) Created a contradiction in statements you have made previously. |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 12, 2023 23:32:48 GMT
Responses in italics, your points aren't anything that really proves my counterpoints wrong. Anyways, to summarize Prodigu Your read: A Outright interprets TBZ's read on me incorrectly (the first post and vote on me from last phase outright do not work because of confirmed jailkeeping) B Outright ignores the context of TBZ's read on me (the first read on me straight up is from a night with two kills, and we know that OS vig was already used n1.) C Outright misinterprets Clouds' post / read (he has had me as a member of the town completely and utterly until that one post, and that post doesn't even put me in the poe) D Outright contradicts good gameplay from W!OM E Outright takes a fucking high jump away from PenguinD's gameplay in context F Is Incorrect. I am Vanilla Townie. Fake better my guy. Alright lets take a look (gonna hope this actually sends correctly i had to refresh the page) A Explain how it doesnt work here due to confirmed jailkeeping? Anything that Tbz said has to be discounted due to them being jailkept? Atp what does Tbz get out of attempting to harm the credibility of one of the most TR players in the game? S!Tbz fully knows that WW attempted a kill on them last night, and that their own kill was blocked due to JK the only out that S!Tbz has here is to get WW voted, otherwise 1 of 3 situations will occur. 1: S!Tbz will just be jailkept again and definitely not get their kill off a second time 2: S!Tbz if he isnt jailkept will be killed by the WW, the only out that S!Tbz has here is to have WW voted to show that a kill attempt was made on him while jailed. 3: S!Tbz will be voted out the same day. Your interpretation of TBZ's vote on me requires them to have killed me and it to have failed specifically because of bulletproof - the fact that he was jailkept on the night he brought it back up pretty much means any / all mechanical interpretation is wifom at best unusable at worst. Furthermore, it also assumes TBZ was right, which I think is something that can also be thrown out due to jailkeep mechanics. I just don't think this works from a mechanical perspective.
Why wouldn't they wanna harm credibility? It's a low activity game and stuff can be decided by literally one vote (See: TBZ being voted out) Why not throw town into chaos so they can sneak by?
Ikr ddlc zzzz Voting tbz is basically a coinflip that joke successfully blocked a kill In a separate post you said optimal play was for W!OM to get a town player voted out, here you specifically say Tbz being scum or not is a coinflip. Is it entirely possible Tbz is town rn here and that both scum attempted to kill him? Yes. Its a lot easier to just get Tbz voted out here, if theyre town, great, if theyre the last mafia, that works too. W!OM will be able to settle with getting the jailkept potential scum out and clean sweep Lylo with getting one of Prod / DDLC / Myan slots voted. Likely a lylo consisting of Prod/DDLC/OM, in which Prod gets voted. No? This continues the fact that optimal play is getting someone I have more confidence in being town out (such as the 0 activity MyanMario!) rather than the coinflip - All this does is support that I'm town following the most correct path lmao.
Like, dude, I have no reason not to just bring it to a 1v1v1 volo as WW because I have a 66% chance to win that, vs. a pretty obvious way to lose a 3v1 lmao
B This does not contradict the worldview. N2 Yes 2 people died. However, if we look back a lil further. N1 only Edj died, and OS vig was claimed to be used (Unknown context for why it did not go through). This puts 1 faction kill not accounted for. So, the possibility that mafia hit the WW N1 does currently exist,and does not contradict that statement. Therefore the worldview that states Mafia attempted a N1 kill on WW fully exists currently. Cool, why didn't they push the WW instead of Fame that day? Why let the WW exist at all? There's a cop claim sure, but before that they could have pushed me for being outed scum or had Fame frame me as WW after the cop cc! Assuming they'd do it from N1 kills is outright faulty logic because there is too much behaviours that simply do not fit into a narrative of them knowing WW Day 2.
I don't think this is reasonable even as an rvs vote unless you specifically believe I'm the werewolf (which I also think is insane given 2 days ago) - Clouds was already setting me up to place me in poe based on his pairings talk You were the one that said Clouds was setting you up to place you in the POE,based on his pairings talk. It doesnt put you in the POE, but you are the one that has stated here he was setting up to do exactly that. fwiw. C contradicts this statement. You have thus said: Clouds was setting you up to place you in the POE based on his pairings talk, and you also say that Clouds' post is being misinterpreted, and that it was not placing you in the POE based on the pairings talk. Feels like you created a contradiction here. Oh yeah, I know what I said - I just don't think it makes sense for you to think that if you're doing an ISO readback of Clouds' posts. Like, I think he was setting me up to get poed, like, in volo rather than something to be handled in the next two phases - it's really not the same behaviour I expect a mafia member - especially mafia member Clouds to treat the Werewolf.
D We both know I havent played a game with you in years, saying i have the knowledge of good OM wolfplay and that ik P meta is a bad argument. But a W!OM game isnt outright impossible, honestly rn if you are WW or you are Town, I will firmly say youve played this entire game extremely well. Thanks, you played well too. Even so, lol I am so obvious when I'm scumming LMAOclouds could be wolf too, but like om is wolfier Fwiw lets say im the WW and entertain the world view. What do i get out of killing PD? Overall the slot poses not much threat to me imo in a Prod!W world, compared to you however, youd probably have been a priority kill for Prod!W atp as you would be a slot i would have an extreme amount of difficulty circumventing. Locktown slot, needs to go! This slot doesn't provide a single issue for me and I can pretty easily 1v1 PenguinD lmao.
Alternatively, it was the Mafia kill, and you killed flush for suspecting you that same night. This argument asks us to ignore everything else that happened that night phase to laser in on the worldview that Werewolf Killed PenguinD, which is something we can not confirm.
F I am the VT. Okay. I'm not WW, you're not WW. Who is? I'm not actually giving this point merit because he's literally just he said she said lmao.
Fwiw if Prod = WW = True what do i get out of trying to take you down here? Lets speak optimally for a minute here. The best play for Prod!W is to say absolutely nothing and let plur NV occur, and to kill OM as the nightkill if i havent already, and go into lylo with Myan and DDLC and get Myan to vote ddlc as i am a TL for Myan currently. Is this statement wifom? Yes. but we both know its outright better and easier to win this way as WW for me. Gives you a leg up on me going into volo, also means you can have a more "forced" win where you either get the vote off today and win the game now, or have two days full of om is ww arguments for people to look back on and prime them for.So currently: In conclusion, you have 1) Attempted to discredit a world view by using the N2 actions to corroborate this, when the N1 actions / deaths still suggest otherwise. 2) Created a contradiction in statements you have made previously.
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Post by Alexander489 on Dec 13, 2023 1:28:11 GMT
HALT
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Post by Alexander489 on Dec 13, 2023 1:29:25 GMT
Votecount 8.2
If there is an issue with the votecount or if you notice any errors, let me know and I will correct it.
Day ended with No Vote having plur. No one will be voted.
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so I'm not fullsending a "fuck it we duel now" moment