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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 18:57:04 GMT
No one mentioned the obvious that Yosh's ISO is absolutely reeking of TMI on town slots i'm sorry do i not exist to you you're so scared to townread me... so scared... Tbf my ISO thing is limited so I couldn't see any mentions of you in there, the Schia/Micro comment is omitted for me too |
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 18:57:42 GMT
I recall you guys having interactions but didn't reread the thread for him specifically townreading you
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:01:12 GMT
All of his votes suck, has constantly beat around the bush irt to voting Peng which if you're ever thinking Peng has been kept in the game for misvotes then your answer is there with all of the 'I can't read peng  posts' early on despite his resistance to just voting there and getting it over with yeah yeah i get it i should've kept my vote on yosh, but i explained exactly why i shifted & can run you back to that post if needed when i voted yosh, micro soft defended him in a way that vaguely looked like s!micro TMI on t!yosh & that he planned on benefitting from a mislim. yosh was a worse slot than micro, i made that clear, even if my ending vote placement didn't reflect it. if i was here i would've shifted back to yosh seeing how wagons were at the end of the day, and yes flipping yosh first was correct thinking micro inspected me probably isn't the move though. anything he did was in response to my thread presence, not softing an inspect, not to mention he's just a vanilla copThere's an angle you're just missing which fuelled my comment but not one that I want to talk about right now in the instance you're just town |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:01:23 GMT
this you mean? ok hear me out. what I don't like about clouds' post: 1) elaborating on the tone, I don't like it because it looks lazy and doesn't look to actually solve for peng's alignment despite that claim that doesn't really look good at all considering night actions 2) this also shifts attention off peng and onto pisx which, in defense, is a null slot, but peng's slot should be solved as fast as possible 3) I think somewhere in the thread talked about the micro getting nk'ed post relating to peng and his night actions, can't find it rn 1) how am i not trying to solve peng's alignment? i feel like i've gone as far in depth about my thoughts on peng & why he'd be alive here as mafia claiming BG or town BG as i possibly can. there is no lack of attempt to solve his alignment, he's one of the ones i'm trying to solve the most. unless you mean that early post about peng being a hard solve, which is just true, and there was nothing to go off of at that time since it was early on during day 1 2) then how do you suggest peng be solved here? voting him? this reasoning is so flat, i'm the one trying to solve peng's slot the most atm, but i do see worlds where he's not mafia and i think it's better to keep a slot that could be BG alive to make mafia play around it in the event he's town, so it's only a good vote if we're sure he's a likely hit. it's possible, but it's not certain. if pisx is a null slot to you, then okay? honestly, she's not far past null for me either, but she's in my POE so i'm voting her 3) this has nothing to do with me at all? i'm gonna have to ask you to try harder than this clem. you can't just take the "clouds is alive so he must be evil" route, even if the paranoia is inevitable, because i'm not just an instant NK in games and i'm not even better than some players here. not to mention, i'm in a space now where mafia doesn't have to NK me because there's some suspicion around my slot, and there are other slots mafia will for sure have to kill first. these reasons for scumreading me look like you're attempting to attach reasoning to justify why i could be scum as opposed to legitimate reasons, peng's reasoning is a little more believable despite being shallow but these are not things that equate a slot to being mafia |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:04:05 GMT
yeah yeah i get it i should've kept my vote on yosh, but i explained exactly why i shifted & can run you back to that post if needed when i voted yosh, micro soft defended him in a way that vaguely looked like s!micro TMI on t!yosh & that he planned on benefitting from a mislim. yosh was a worse slot than micro, i made that clear, even if my ending vote placement didn't reflect it. if i was here i would've shifted back to yosh seeing how wagons were at the end of the day, and yes flipping yosh first was correct thinking micro inspected me probably isn't the move though. anything he did was in response to my thread presence, not softing an inspect, not to mention he's just a vanilla copThere's an angle you're just missing which fuelled my comment but not one that I want to talk about right now in the instance you're just town you can explain if you want to since i'm not seeing it, but i am just town there would be no universe in which peng, cuddz & aligningstars were all alive if i was mafia lol it does kinda make me think mafia may just be detached from the game to some extent |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:05:25 GMT
There's an angle you're just missing which fuelled my comment but not one that I want to talk about right now in the instance you're just town you can explain if you want to since i'm not seeing it, but i am just town there would be no universe in which peng, cuddz & aligningstars were all alive if i was mafia lol it does kinda make me think mafia may just be detached from the game to some extent wdyt about how quickly peng claimed the guard on cuddz? pre-planned since they knew cuddz wasn't their NK target or? probably breaks NAI to me but the thing is like, if you're gonna claim protect on cuddz, why not just NK aligningstars so i can see a universe where mafia is playing around peng's BG |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:06:32 GMT
i'm sorry do i not exist to you you're so scared to townread me... so scared... Tbf my ISO thing is limited so I couldn't see any mentions of you in there, the Schia/Micro comment is omitted for me too no it has nothing to do with yosh townreading me, my bad he didn't say anything on my slot. i just mean that i've been echoing how it seems like yosh was handling TMI on slot(s), specifically yours |
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:07:22 GMT
I am just tired of the peng discussion; been going on for 3 days so regardless of the alignment I just want to flip him to let the discourse around his slot end lol
I think it's just as feasible that the night kills have been strange because others would be too outing for him to perform
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
Tbf my ISO thing is limited so I couldn't see any mentions of you in there, the Schia/Micro comment is omitted for me too no it has nothing to do with yosh townreading me, my bad he didn't say anything on my slot. i just mean that i've been echoing how it seems like yosh was handling TMI on slot(s), specifically yours which is what i was explaining to cuddz that he needs to take into account here unless you specifically coached him to say the things he said, which i kinda doubt, then he was for sure dealing with TMI on t!fame |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:08:32 GMT
i forgot aligmentstars was the other mason making that list but you get the point of it lol alignment star. Anyways I'm back and thought I would be dead alright what are your thoughts on game atm |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:09:46 GMT
cuddleszzaligningstars
C7
iamveryhappy
FameSchiavetto
starting here, top towniest but these are all of my townleans/reads atm. think mafia are outside of this but there's still some weirdness with the recent NKs that makes me question how two "confirmed town" keep surviving. peng being real town BG kinda explains that but not entirely, then i'd expect him to be thrown into the pool of possible kills or for mafia to just kill him to not have to worry about that variable moving forward. instead... he's survived two nights? and so have the two "mech clear" slots? so i'm not sure how much sense it makes for those two slots and peng to be town right now
outside of this list we have penguind, lindauna, passthesaltdude, and pisxel. this is what i'll see if i can sort first. i remember 1 interaction from PTSD & lindauna that made me think they weren't mafia together, so i doubt that's the team. those two slots are also both day 1 sub slots. i'm not positive i'm not townreading a mafia member yet, but i think this is a good starting point for where we should look first
Keep in mind this POE, if we go through with all 4 votes, leaves us with 3 players left 11 players left, 4 in POE, 4 nightkills given no interruptions If we're not flipping a third partner at least 2 votes in we're in a bad state Think there's at least one AFK scum given Yosh's ISO but the other is probably active what makes you think there's 1 AFK scum per Yosh's ISO? like i kinda believe it yosh's ISO aside, but i'm not sure i see what in there suggests it yet, unless you mean him TR'ing you/schia/micro? |
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:11:30 GMT
im not really sure who to read right now, theres still a lot of inactive players His ISO isn't very deceptive, I'm fairly certain there's more examples of this but he refers to inactive players in a way that postpones reads on them |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:14:47 GMT
Yeah no I literally don't think pisx is ever the vote today, hasn't even been online since the 26th so they're not reading the thread whatsoever unless through Maf chat + they were posting at the time Yosh mentions 'inactive slots' ah i didn't see that, both on pisx inactivity & yosh comment i know we can't delve into this far but i don't get why pisx and ptsd weren't subbed out so that's the uh, contrary if you follow and i think i see what you're going for with yosh comment in that maybe he was more attentive to the fact that there were inactive slots due to being partnered with 1+ of them |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:16:08 GMT
vote PassTheSaltDude
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:19:15 GMT
i'll reiterate even though i always say this... motivation theory has merit & i'm serious abt that
mafia has been kind of getting wrecked. having been someone in a position like that before, it's tough to jump back into thread and act like you care
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:21:11 GMT
Also I just want to note that whilst I don't think C7 is a particularly good vote today, I do think his thread posts are strange in the sense that he came into his first day of the game already being defeatist despite us only having a singular misvote I at least think I have an understanding of your slot though and atp I don't think the slots you want to become active will become any time soon, so you probably just out the information atp because both of the players you're fixated on are within the POE for votes - so if you have specific information leading you to think they're town then it's probably better to out it so we're not wasting a vote on them today C7 |
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:22:31 GMT
Or like, you don't even have to out the information in full, but at the very least say out the conclusion it leads to
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:24:05 GMT
also i don't think peng & ptsd is a team -- the way ptsd doubled down on a peng townread using myan's ISO was i think too exaggerated to be a townread on a partner
more importantly i don't think s!ptsd chooses to strongly townread s!peng when there's suspicion around peng's slot. it'd be setting them up for failure i think
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Post by Clouds on Dec 31, 2023 19:27:20 GMT
as far as incentive to NK micro based on micro's reads goes:
- lindauna would have some since nobody else explored a push on her
- peng would have some, micro was one of the slots willing to vote peng
- aligningstars would have very little, micro doubled down on him being locktown due to masonry
yet none of this matters if micro was just RC'd or something
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:37:18 GMT
i'm not sure i get it, did he claim that? i think it just explains why both of us got results saying cuddz is town, if cuddz has a role where he can confirm himself as town to 1 player a night or smth Could also just be a liar Can you clarify this string of posts? Can't tell if you're discrediting Cuddz bc Clouds randomly replies with something about PenguinD |
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:42:14 GMT
Vote iamveryhappyI would like to see more progression on the slot like answering questions about reads What I want to know is why Yosh comes on for the first time in a few days to finally place a vote atp in the thread |
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:43:28 GMT
Like I know the thread had been actively concerned with pushing him atp but he had 0 votes on his slot until after this post when the wagon built up
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Post by cuddleszz on Dec 31, 2023 19:47:09 GMT
yoshman8 was just bad scumslot so im not going to take most of his iso as a reason to townread slots but yeah he def townspewed and kinda just lead the mafia team so assuming the last two mafia slots in game are like a mix of active/afk its just gg through this POE like we already in a secured position to win
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:47:24 GMT
Strange tbh, first vote in days and it landed on IAVH in a time where the wagons were
1 to Clouds, 1 to PenguinD, and 1 to Lindauna
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Post by Fame on Dec 31, 2023 19:49:17 GMT
I'm fairly confident there's worlds where everyone we have in POE flips, I just don't think the POE of Peng/Lind/PTSD/Pisx always has 2 partners
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posts' early on despite his resistance to just voting there and getting it over with
