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Post by AligningStars on Dec 22, 2023 1:31:17 GMT
Bruh I can see how did that much posts in one forum. between you and kliff i feel like it's going to take everything in my power not to memespam SHROOP! until words just lose meaning i literally beat u when comes to emespam. yeet! |
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Post by AligningStars on Dec 22, 2023 1:31:38 GMT
Bruh I can see how did that much posts in one forum. start grammar'ing *gramae |
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Post by MyanMario on Dec 22, 2023 1:32:44 GMT
Gz schia on mod
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 22, 2023 1:33:05 GMT
I feel like this gets more and more awkward the more the game advances also stp you need to post faster to break the schia record kek you don't want to break my record imo; half the reason it even exists is only because of it being a pandemic & me living in a city that'd been particularly fucked by it |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 22, 2023 1:34:37 GMT
green on clem, healthy mint on fame, probably sponging green on STP as well
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Post by AligningStars on Dec 22, 2023 1:41:27 GMT
Bruh I can see how did that much posts in one forum. start grammar'ing and what was wrong with that sentence |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 22, 2023 1:43:15 GMT
Do you think Fame is scum trying to force out a read or do you think theyre town jumping to a conclusion? it's far too early to tell but my initial reaction was that some of the stuff they've been chiming in with is just like, not things i'd expect fame to care about as much as they seem like they are? for example fame's reaction to me townleaning iavh felt overexaggerated & then half of what i was saying was mischaracterized, i'm just not sure if that was by design yet then i'm not sure what would make someone at this point in the game have an alignment read on kliff, but less so that it's more like *specifically* fame townreading kliff off of the posts he's put out so far doesn't make sense to me from what i know about fame's formation of townreads when they're town it would be funny if fame got mafia for what i think would be a third game in a row honestly, as someone who is historically dogshit at reading kliff & thinks he's just naturally wolfy half the time, might be a good exercise to like
try and pick out some things he might be v!read for here
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 22, 2023 1:44:11 GMT
I think Kliff's posts there were pretty authentic like I'd ask the exact same questions atp I think Also I kinda like his reaction to pisx's post even though I don't really agree with the initial post being much of anything bc pisx is prob gonna AFK either way u know me so well my initial post was obv complete bs slight_smile but hopefully ppl are gonna take a closer look at the intentions of clouds' posts so i don't have to worry ab him deepwolfing this game is that something you're worried about? |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 22, 2023 1:44:43 GMT
im not really sure who to read right now, theres still a lot of inactive players imo rank the noposters from most to least villagery |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 22, 2023 1:46:16 GMT
stp is obviously the most town slot in this game fmpov fame v clouds is probably tvt since theyre moreso asking e/o questions about intentions n such rather than flat out saying the other's scummy for whatever read they think is bs, or its svs and they're like precautionarily unpairing themselves & we're all being punked... but i'm more inclined to believe the former to be true no clue what to make of iavh's slot what about my slot what about hegel................ what about hegel........................................... |
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Post by Fame on Dec 22, 2023 1:55:31 GMT
IMO if you're actually wanting to read IAVH's alignment these posts are most telling Is town more likely to assume someone is scum downplaying their contributions to the thread or are they more likely to ask 'What's useful instead?" in this scenario Not really asking this rhetorically so feel free to answer bc I don't really know and it's early in the morning for me I mean for me it's just that I very much don't think that wolf!IAVH manages the sort of thought progression that could produce the mech-centered posts *and* these in the same stretch of threadspace.
&a bit of that comes from having seen clem play a 'hit dog' wolfgame before--I do think he's much more given to damage control/attempts at recuperating & saving face, as opposed to throwing it back at the other party. But also fmpov it's like... you have someone who hasn't had the *best* success getting into the meat of a game trying to get the ball rolling with some setup-spec that isn't terribly mech-heavy but certainly isn't shy about engaging with that layer of the game, after having *just* made a comment about not coming in with claims off the gate. So already from a wolf perspective, it's extremely unlikely you produce those initial two posts (the 'hey no claims' & the setup-spec wall) without being aware of the friction between them. &the setup-spec has some showiness to it, but it tracks less as busywork to me and more like "let me try and do *something*", mostly in that i think if it were truly busywork there'd be a lot more fussing around it on clem's part.
Instead we get things like the above, which are just like... they don't *never* come from a wolf, but I also just don't think wolf!clem ever stands by that post or insists on it in the way that's going on here, least of all faking at being *slighted* by pushback against the post.
I think this is the most satisfactory case for me irt to IAVH being town, or at least for those posts alone not being scum indicative tbh |
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Post by Fame on Dec 22, 2023 1:56:50 GMT
Mostly because it's something accidental and unlikely to be faked, could be carelessness from a wolf POV but like, I agree with where you're going with it more
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Post by slowthepoke on Dec 22, 2023 2:21:05 GMT
sigh well i guess its time anyways here we go guys (just overall read on them most scummiest to least scummy)
starting with sls!(no srs rn)
aligningstars - They're beginning gameplay was fine but the mason fakeclaim was very unneccesary and I don't like the reads they got from what they did(very dry and uninspiried esp on kliff) also dont like that they wont explain theyre tr until later in the day(or next day possibly)
kliff - from their own lines I think theyre fine, theyd probaly be in the null section. The reason that theyre here is because of alignings reads and interactions on them making me think they could be partners if aligning is scum(vise versa but would prefer aligning) but if aligning is town then I don't think this slot is scum for now.
Spiderz - Theres 1 key difference between spiderz and the other slots that dont have enough for me to read them. I know this guy at least had to read at least some of the day(theyve liked multiple posts that were later in the day and he's still decided to sit there and do nothing. Id be fine to vote this for pressure in order to make them actually say shit
S!Null: Players that I don't neccesarily think flip scum rn but wouldnt be that surpisied if they do(Basically players I think could flip scum but not confident on
Clouds: I really dont know what to think about them rn: I dont really like how they handled alignings claim, I completely disagree about their statement about how kliff and aligning arent partners(what kliff said was prob just nai and I dont think it means anything) However I do like how they responded to and what theyve said about iavhs post and I think there general atmosphere is town, but the things that I mentioned earlier put me off and stop me from being able to think theyre completely town.
Myan: Myan has just been kinda there tbh. I kinda agree with their post about iavh trying to prsolve(idk what its called) but there push on clouds seems somewhat fake since I think that line from clouds was just a troll line, I also dont like them just trying to go at every person who votes them when atp when they did that(i think line 2 or 3) it was prob just an rvs vote.
Fame: So this is kinda like the last to but more town shit and less scummy shit. I'll try to dive in deeper though. So, I kinda wish fame shared there own thoughts on what iavh said when they questioned clouds about what they said about it. I also don't like them just saying kliff is town without really explaining it at all(reminds me of alignings read exactly) but fame not explaining shit is just something that I prob will have to accept is a part of there playstyle later on.
Peng - I dont really have much to say about them except the fact that I want them to focus more on reading/reaction to other peoples posts on others rather then just posts that involve themself.
T!null Slots that im not completely sure about there alignment, but have a higher chance to be town than scum(not enough for me to tl them tho)
Pisx - Theyve basically only just got here but I think there gameplay so far is solid, I like them trying to make yosh interact with the game more while they were there but I wanna push a little bit deeper into there fame v clouds tvt read as I think its interesting
Schia - Simillar to pisx I think that so far from what ive seen from them has been townie, I like how theyve looked at the iavh slot and post since its prob much easier for them to just follow the reads that other people had on iavh(thinking their scum for faking trying to improve gamestate(idk the specifc words but something like that)
Tl(Slots that I think are town and wouldnt vote)
Iavh: Despite the fact that I completely hate the way theyve done there opening(the stupid ass mechsolve), its not something that I think is scummy and from the reactions that iavh got for that I think that them seeming to not really care and stand by it is townie since from what I know from them, theyd succumb to the pressure and prob think theyre wrong or something.
Theres a few people that I havent mentioned so far, and thats for a reason as these people are very special. The Lurkers! These mfs shouldnt be voted today but later on if they continue to do it then they prob should. Heres my opinion of them from "least to most villagery" schias words
Yosh
Micro
Cuddz
Tan
Winter
But thats it reads wise, there is one more thing that I think will help gamestate somewhat and thats below:
Anyways for slots that havent been here so far or havent posted(and for slots that are active as well) heres some questions that I have: (Copying this questions shit from fame)
What do you think about iavhs mechsolve and do you think its ai or not?
Whats your stance on fame v clouds?
What do you think about aligning fake claiming mason and do you think its something thats helpful to focus on?
Do you agree or disagree with alignings reads on me, kliff and clouds?
Whats your opinion on the current votes and who are slots that you think would be good votes rn?
Anyways im kinda tired so im gonna get off for now but looking forward to hearing respones when I get back in prob like an hour!
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Post by Clouds on Dec 22, 2023 2:21:26 GMT
like, some of that's coming fresh off Tropicana & some of that's just general distaste toward your parse there, but also like general mindfulness that we're playing a closed setup rn and i think an earlygame approach that privileges partnerships over individual slot reads is probably Not the most reliable approach so let's maybe knock the temptation, esp. on such weak footing seen & heard, don't disagree that it , also just... working with the food being served on the table. and it's the most reasonable unpairing cases i can come to so far of anyone in the game up to that point, so i'm just shooting at the sky here i like your angles so far though, feel visible seeing you also think that initial string of role solve posts probably doesn't come from s!iavh looking forward to running with what initially strikes me as t!schia sidenote, i keep almost clicking edit when i go to quote posts now that this button exists for us. would be a shame if... |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 22, 2023 2:24:53 GMT
like, some of that's coming fresh off Tropicana & some of that's just general distaste toward your parse there, but also like general mindfulness that we're playing a closed setup rn and i think an earlygame approach that privileges partnerships over individual slot reads is probably Not the most reliable approach so let's maybe knock the temptation, esp. on such weak footing seen & heard, don't disagree that it , also just... working with the food being served on the table. and it's the most reasonable unpairing cases i can come to so far of anyone in the game up to that point, so i'm just shooting at the sky here i like your angles so far though, feel visible seeing you also think that initial string of role solve posts probably doesn't come from s!iavh looking forward to running with what initially strikes me as t!schia sidenote, i keep almost clicking edit when i go to quote posts now that this button exists for us. would be a shame if... don't disagree that they aren't the strongest reasons to call them unpartnered* and yet it's still how i see it atm, but take me progressively more seriously when i have more to work with |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 22, 2023 2:26:11 GMT
slowthepoke
iamveryhappy
schiavetto
anyone else want an invite to the villager shortlist
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Post by Clouds on Dec 22, 2023 2:27:19 GMT
Clouds and peng are never same scum together btw, doubt the liked posts ever happen otherwise like it's just dumb, idk how to be less blunt about it myan's read? |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 22, 2023 2:35:11 GMT
it's far too early to tell but my initial reaction was that some of the stuff they've been chiming in with is just like, not things i'd expect fame to care about as much as they seem like they are? for example fame's reaction to me townleaning iavh felt overexaggerated & then half of what i was saying was mischaracterized, i'm just not sure if that was by design yet then i'm not sure what would make someone at this point in the game have an alignment read on kliff, but less so that it's more like *specifically* fame townreading kliff off of the posts he's put out so far doesn't make sense to me from what i know about fame's formation of townreads when they're town it would be funny if fame got mafia for what i think would be a third game in a row honestly, as someone who is historically dogshit at reading kliff & thinks he's just naturally wolfy half the time, might be a good exercise to like
try and pick out some things he might be v!read for here
yeah that's the thing, i don't get it. maybe the fact that his iavh read seems like it comes with traces of believable conviction & not malice? i've echoed the same wrt: my own ability to read kliff before because i admittedly struggle with it sometimes (s/o tropicana) but even still i'm failing to see how someone reads anything kliff has posted so far here and be like yeah, that comes from town. i expected a worse reason from aligningstars on why he townreads kliff, it honestly wasn't that bad, like if you're gonna townread him for anything it might as well be his approach to iavh's slot seeming like it thinks like he found something, but even still it feels way too premature and aligningstars calling kliff "easy town" is like ?? |
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Post by Prodigu on Dec 22, 2023 2:35:36 GMT
sigh well i guess its time anyways here we go guys (just overall read on them most scummiest to least scummy) starting with sls!(no srs rn) aligningstars - They're beginning gameplay was fine but the mason fakeclaim was very unneccesary and I don't like the reads they got from what they did(very dry and uninspiried esp on kliff) also dont like that they wont explain theyre tr until later in the day(or next day possibly) kliff - from their own lines I think theyre fine, theyd probaly be in the null section. The reason that theyre here is because of alignings reads and interactions on them making me think they could be partners if aligning is scum(vise versa but would prefer aligning) but if aligning is town then I don't think this slot is scum for now. Spiderz - Theres 1 key difference between spiderz and the other slots that dont have enough for me to read them. I know this guy at least had to read at least some of the day(theyve liked multiple posts that were later in the day and he's still decided to sit there and do nothing. Id be fine to vote this for pressure in order to make them actually say shit S!Null: Players that I don't neccesarily think flip scum rn but wouldnt be that surpisied if they do(Basically players I think could flip scum but not confident on Clouds: I really dont know what to think about them rn: I dont really like how they handled alignings claim, I completely disagree about their statement about how kliff and aligning arent partners(what kliff said was prob just nai and I dont think it means anything) However I do like how they responded to and what theyve said about iavhs post and I think there general atmosphere is town, but the things that I mentioned earlier put me off and stop me from being able to think theyre completely town. Myan: Myan has just been kinda there tbh. I kinda agree with their post about iavh trying to prsolve(idk what its called) but there push on clouds seems somewhat fake since I think that line from clouds was just a troll line, I also dont like them just trying to go at every person who votes them when atp when they did that(i think line 2 or 3) it was prob just an rvs vote. Fame: So this is kinda like the last to but more town shit and less scummy shit. I'll try to dive in deeper though. So, I kinda wish fame shared there own thoughts on what iavh said when they questioned clouds about what they said about it. I also don't like them just saying kliff is town without really explaining it at all(reminds me of alignings read exactly) but fame not explaining shit is just something that I prob will have to accept is a part of there playstyle later on. Peng - I dont really have much to say about them except the fact that I want them to focus more on reading/reaction to other peoples posts on others rather then just posts that involve themself. T!null Slots that im not completely sure about there alignment, but have a higher chance to be town than scum(not enough for me to tl them tho) Pisx - Theyve basically only just got here but I think there gameplay so far is solid, I like them trying to make yosh interact with the game more while they were there but I wanna push a little bit deeper into there fame v clouds tvt read as I think its interesting Schia - Simillar to pisx I think that so far from what ive seen from them has been townie, I like how theyve looked at the iavh slot and post since its prob much easier for them to just follow the reads that other people had on iavh(thinking their scum for faking trying to improve gamestate(idk the specifc words but something like that) Tl(Slots that I think are town and wouldnt vote) Iavh: Despite the fact that I completely hate the way theyve done there opening(the stupid ass mechsolve), its not something that I think is scummy and from the reactions that iavh got for that I think that them seeming to not really care and stand by it is townie since from what I know from them, theyd succumb to the pressure and prob think theyre wrong or something. Theres a few people that I havent mentioned so far, and thats for a reason as these people are very special. The Lurkers! These mfs shouldnt be voted today but later on if they continue to do it then they prob should. Heres my opinion of them from "least to most villagery" schias words Yosh Micro Cuddz Tan Winter But thats it reads wise, there is one more thing that I think will help gamestate somewhat and thats below: Anyways for slots that havent been here so far or havent posted(and for slots that are active as well) heres some questions that I have: (Copying this questions shit from fame) What do you think about iavhs mechsolve and do you think its ai or not? Whats your stance on fame v clouds? What do you think about aligning fake claiming mason and do you think its something thats helpful to focus on? Do you agree or disagree with alignings reads on me, kliff and clouds? Whats your opinion on the current votes and who are slots that you think would be good votes rn? Anyways im kinda tired so im gonna get off for now but looking forward to hearing respones when I get back in prob like an hour! I am fixing your post for the safety of my own eyes and the eyes of everyone else in this thread (linebreaks are your friend). Also Schia is town. |
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Post by PenguinD on Dec 22, 2023 2:47:37 GMT
fame and clouds are partners acting out a scene y/y
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Post by Fame on Dec 22, 2023 3:06:22 GMT
No
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Post by Clouds on Dec 22, 2023 3:09:40 GMT
No
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Post by iavh on Dec 22, 2023 3:23:44 GMT
fame and clouds are partners acting out a scene y/y the reaction to your post both of them what do you think |
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Post by Fame on Dec 22, 2023 3:31:49 GMT
I really think Kliff is town ngl, just feeling like all of their posts are reactions I think are reasonable from town pov. clouds not trying enough he's town tune in tomorrow for another incredible read from me 😗 I am always suspicious of these type of statements :/. However I did attempted to meta read clouds last game and I think them not being aggressive / overposting might indicate them more on a townie scale. I thought this was a decent reaction / post but, trying to solve a bit ok so what we got mason, named townie iavh trying to setupsolve: town PRs: neapolitan (checks for vt), jk / doc (one should be in there if I'm not wrong given the abundantness of them encountering them in MS closed setups), gated investgative (os cop / gated tracker/watcher (2-3 shots)), maybe a vig though not counting on the chances of it (1-2 shot), other mason, +whatever fen decides to put here, I've seen hider in these I wonder if the mason is there as a red herring... looked really scummy to claim mason SoD1 scum PRs: roleblocker (most common), might be a neapolitan here, on the other hand could be a role cop. wonder if they would put a doc/jk here for a fakeclaim (looks smth like a not myan to do, myan cs is straightforward kek) that's my input for the day After seeing this I'm not sure where you got these roles from but this could be !scum clem trying to fake-solve. Do you think !scum aligning stars would insta-fakeclaim mason here? Think Kliff picks up on something similar to Schia here where the 'don't massclaim' -> abrupt pivot into talking about setup/prs is AI for him, and casts doubt on the aligningstars read which is definitely less than earned and way too speculative imo kliff & aligningstars likely not mafia together: - kliff joking that he was town off of a coinflip (this reason matters more to me than the below and i'm serious abt that) - the way kliff is approaching the "would aligningstars fakeclaim mason as mafia" statement doesn't seem like it'd be s!kliff --> s!aligningstars stp & iavh is another pairing i'm leaning towards ruling out on interactions but stp seems like town anyways what makes you say iavh's setup solving attempt seems like it could be fake kliff? I mean I appreciate the attempted but like I am just not following the meaning behind the post at this point of the game. The post comes off as "I'm doing stuff" to me. which isn't a good look to me. Like the entire point of Kliff's posts is that IAVH's posts are fakeable because they aren't useful, so giving town points solely for 'theorising' is stupid because it boils down to nothing really I feel like my solving is the framework as there should be like a 7pr: 2/3pr given it’s a 4v13 Scum PR always is disruptive/information so that’s quite easy Town is more diverse so that’s the part I’m more concerned about So basically your kinda tryna to say something like this Town predicted PRs: neapolitan jk / doc (town protection?) Town investigation(cop/tracker/watcher) Town killing(Vig) Mason??? Scum predicted PR: roleblocker I don't think there is much value in trying to speculate if there is nothing to go off of? I can say there could be a mafia TFPTSLBOOTS but my statement wont hold much weight if I have no evidence. Maybe I'm wrong here, let me know. Like here, at most you could say he's reading too much into usefulness over intent/tone here but like, reasonable enough to do that here imo? |
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Post by PenguinD on Dec 22, 2023 3:39:07 GMT
fame and clouds are partners acting out a scene y/y the reaction to your post both of them what do you think they gotta be goons (its never svs) |
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