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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:25:51 GMT
so from there I think
abcaba has individually been trending downwards while stp holds steady for the aforementioned dunning-krueger stuff
and then if i build from there
I also think clouds going from ptsd->turtwig in consecutive phases signals a weak worldview to me
I don't think I have reason to believe clouds and abcaba are partnered (im not sure if stp has two individual team guesses or he just thinks contrary to this assertion)
I think abcaba has been individually scummier than clouds
I think forcing stp to stay on abcaba wagon with me is good for the solve
and it's convenient that I don't have to chainvote in case the abcaba read goes belly up bc i can just inspect clouds if it does
so with all that in mind
vote abcaba
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:28:37 GMT
im really trying to figure out prod here
I think the world where he's w means being wrong on abcaba, and then on contingency #1 clouds, and then contingency #2 stp
there's a chance he's fumbling through procedure as town instead of having been caught out voting ptsd for no reason like that
idt being partnered with crespo makes sense for him and that probably absolves him of the weak progression, even if i dont like his d2 posts
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 0:48:30 GMT
omfg im back now you guys said a lot here are my new reads after d1 and part of d2: (green is town red is scum if you're color blind sucks for you) also I will explain my reads more if you guys ask Also ik i haven't contributed that much as well Stp - most things they said in their reads list has made a lot of sense to me, I have mostly rethunk the things that I was doubting them on earlier, and also they seem to be thinking through most things that they are sayingFTF - their pushes on Clouds/Cactus make sense for me and it seems that they have contributed a lot also thx for the sheets thingProd - very neutral for me rn, has contributed quite a bit, but I could see flipping scum, but for now Im leaning more town. Was conf about your ptsd vote a little bit d1 as wellAbcaba - has been more scumlike, I feel like, me especially, has changed their reads a lot within the game (well I guess I have as well), leaning slightly scum, but could be convinced otherwise. Also earlier why were they criticizing someone for tr me when they had just said I had seemed townlike.
Potential Partners - Crespo, Clouds
Cactus - um wtf were you doing with ptsd your reads did not make very much sense to me and I feel like you just put yourself onto ptsd without really thinking about why and just left it there so that they couldn't defend themselves
Potential Partners - Clouds, Prod
Crespo - my thoughts on Crespo remain the same as earlier, has contributed very little and where tf did they go
Potential partners - FTF, Abcaba Clouds - ok so you are my new scumread, during d1, you said something along the lines of "ok so turt is definetely ptsd's partner if they flip scum" and here I am after ptsd flipped town and you still voted me for also you are tl'ing Cactus with everything they have done with ptsd and not finding it suspicious at all? Also is just kinda sheeping me without any thought about me defending myself or anyone else explaining anything about why i am scum/town.
Potential partners - Abcaba, Cactus Eh whatever sorry if this list doesnt make sense im adhd ill use that as an excuse hmm alright this is something to work with |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 0:50:26 GMT
turtwigs, fyi though, there was no "you're definitely ptsd's partner" -- there was just an instance of me thinking you had pairing equity by way of your treatment of his slot
it's not like it matters now anyways. agreed on abc criticizing someone for saying you were townlike being hypocritical considering their earlier townlean on you tho, that's what i brought up earlier
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 0:59:34 GMT
and i don't think if throhs can even work with crespo here switched it up out of nowhere and voted crespo, prefacing it with "this won't make sense with my reads" if it's not prod, & my townreads on sc/ftf are correct, that would make the pass wagon entirely pure not impossible but eh... prod is the most likely of that wagon to flip mafia for sure
i think any discussion of the wagon being pure/not pure is inherently connected to crespo's alignment
so with that in mind what do you think
yeah for sure, i agree with you there if crespo flips mafia, fairly unlikely to be paired with anyone on the wagon... abc would probably be a candidate for a partner, prod kinda but i'm still not feeling like he'd try to make me look at a him & crespo partnership if that was the actual mafia team. sc isn't impossible but i townread him individually if crespo flips town, abc's placement offwagon is still kinda bad and would be leveraging the TMI of the wagons being tvt so that he wasn't on wagon for either vote in case they went over & flipped town, prod's is still kinda whatever, turtwig's vote doesn't look near clearing like it does in the former case |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:05:28 GMT
vote abcaba
leaning more towards this or prod for a vote atm after turtwig's reappearance
his reads post is... it's hard to understand how he's getting to certain conclusions, but it's an effort, it doesn't strike me as for sure being of mafia origin, i can see him at least picking up on certain things such as abc's contradictory stance on his own slot day 1. unless he just saw me mention that and doubled up on it, but if that was an original thought, that's not too bad
i still can't rule out a turtwigs + abc or prod pairing, i guess that's the tough part
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:09:02 GMT
im really trying to figure out prod here
I think the world where he's w means being wrong on abcaba, and then on contingency #1 clouds, and then contingency #2 stp
there's a chance he's fumbling through procedure as town instead of having been caught out voting ptsd for no reason like that
idt being partnered with crespo makes sense for him and that probably absolves him of the weak progression, even if i dont like his d2 posts
same trouble with prod... it feels like he's very concerned with his own image this game & more on the defense today than on the attack trying to piece things together, granted he hasn't been on much, so i was hoping we'd see more from him tonight. atp, i'm thinking 1 in abc/prod but not both, and it feels like swinging and missing could be bad for town's chances here. it's worth looking at who can partner with prod here though. cause i don't think crespo is too likely for reasons i mentioned above, abc partnership feels off... that'd leave turtwigs & prod as the only viable pairing there if i stick with my towncore of you, sc, stp |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:10:14 GMT
turtwigs, what game have you been reading if you think FTF is pushing me & cactus? he's townreading both of us
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Post by saltiestcactus23 on Feb 11, 2024 1:17:40 GMT
yo clouds my brain doesnt feel like processing information rn fsr and i cant find why you and ftf think crespo doesnt pair with prod here
could u just explain it for me rq :^)
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:18:20 GMT
or maybe
vote prodigu
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:20:27 GMT
yo clouds my brain doesnt feel like processing information rn fsr and i cant find why you and ftf think crespo doesnt pair with prod here could u just explain it for me rq :^) it's not impossible i guess, it's just that prod was sitting there picking dandelions while crespo had plur when it was 3-3, waited a bit, then voted ptsd which sure okay, could be paired but then today starts, i'm talking with prod and he's questioning why i think he can be with turt, saying that he thinks i should be reading him as paired with crespo if anything due to how the day ended. and i just don't know if you draw that sort of attention to your real mafia pairing like that |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:20:56 GMT
i'm unsure what ftf's reasons for unpairing them are
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 1:24:46 GMT
situation as i see it is that we get 1 strike in prod & abc if abc's town, it's hard for me to see a universe where prod is also town. it's tough to tell if abc is just misreading me here or what's going on, i can kinda see maybe why he'd think i'm mafia positionally, but the reason he's sticking to for scumreading me is... shallow? it'd be easier for me to read intent if you fleshed out the read more abcaba, can you explain what's making you think i'm mafia? |
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Post by saltiestcactus23 on Feb 11, 2024 1:31:19 GMT
lowkey think just in terms of solving the game voting prod here makes the most sense
if prod flips maf thats great, and if prod flips town then i think clouds and toni are only scum with each other, and the same goes for abc and turtwig
basing this off of thinking ftf and stp are town
down to try and discuss this since i defo couldve screwed up my thought process somewhere but i think this is the best course of action for trying to guarantee a win.
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Post by saltiestcactus23 on Feb 11, 2024 1:51:33 GMT
do we just have a confirmed win actually
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Post by saltiestcactus23 on Feb 11, 2024 1:57:38 GMT
im a gambling man i think we have a 75% chance to guaranteed win this game assuming my solve is correct
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Post by saltiestcactus23 on Feb 11, 2024 2:00:20 GMT
nvm i instantly realized how to break the solve the moment i posted ggwp
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 11, 2024 2:01:37 GMT
See ftf shit like this is not making mw think there unpartnered |
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 11, 2024 2:02:24 GMT
so from there I think
abcaba has individually been trending downwards while stp holds steady for the aforementioned dunning-krueger stuff
and then if i build from there
I also think clouds going from ptsd->turtwig in consecutive phases signals a weak worldview to me
I don't think I have reason to believe clouds and abcaba are partnered (im not sure if stp has two individual team guesses or he just thinks contrary to this assertion)
I think abcaba has been individually scummier than clouds
I think forcing stp to stay on abcaba wagon with me is good for the solve
and it's convenient that I don't have to chainvote in case the abcaba read goes belly up bc i can just inspect clouds if it does
so with all that in mind
vote abcaba
Tf is dunning krueger ftf gotta explain these shits |
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Post by abcaba on Feb 11, 2024 2:11:51 GMT
omfg im back now you guys said a lot here are my new reads after d1 and part of d2: (green is town red is scum if you're color blind sucks for you) also I will explain my reads more if you guys ask Also ik i haven't contributed that much as well Stp - most things they said in their reads list has made a lot of sense to me, I have mostly rethunk the things that I was doubting them on earlier, and also they seem to be thinking through most things that they are sayingFTF - their pushes on Clouds/Cactus make sense for me and it seems that they have contributed a lot also thx for the sheets thingProd - very neutral for me rn, has contributed quite a bit, but I could see flipping scum, but for now Im leaning more town. Was conf about your ptsd vote a little bit d1 as wellAbcaba - has been more scumlike, I feel like, me especially, has changed their reads a lot within the game (well I guess I have as well), leaning slightly scum, but could be convinced otherwise. Also earlier why were they criticizing someone for tr me when they had just said I had seemed townlike.
Potential Partners - Crespo, Clouds
Cactus - um wtf were you doing with ptsd your reads did not make very much sense to me and I feel like you just put yourself onto ptsd without really thinking about why and just left it there so that they couldn't defend themselves
Potential Partners - Clouds, Prod
Crespo - my thoughts on Crespo remain the same as earlier, has contributed very little and where tf did they go
Potential partners - FTF, Abcaba Clouds - ok so you are my new scumread, during d1, you said something along the lines of "ok so turt is definetely ptsd's partner if they flip scum" and here I am after ptsd flipped town and you still voted me for also you are tl'ing Cactus with everything they have done with ptsd and not finding it suspicious at all? Also is just kinda sheeping me without any thought about me defending myself or anyone else explaining anything about why i am scum/town.
Potential partners - Abcaba, Cactus Eh whatever sorry if this list doesnt make sense im adhd ill use that as an excuse So for some of your reads you say stuff like "they have contributed quite a lot" or smthing like that it would be helpful to everyone if you elaborated on what each person contributed specifically and why that makes them town also, a lot of these have to do with the ptsd wagon, if you had to say, how many scum do you think were on the ptsd wagon? |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 11, 2024 2:12:39 GMT
See ftf shit like this is not making mw think there unpartnered this guy is town ftf |
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 11, 2024 2:19:46 GMT
omfg im back now you guys said a lot here are my new reads after d1 and part of d2: (green is town red is scum if you're color blind sucks for you) also I will explain my reads more if you guys ask Also ik i haven't contributed that much as well Stp - most things they said in their reads list has made a lot of sense to me, I have mostly rethunk the things that I was doubting them on earlier, and also they seem to be thinking through most things that they are sayingFTF - their pushes on Clouds/Cactus make sense for me and it seems that they have contributed a lot also thx for the sheets thingProd - very neutral for me rn, has contributed quite a bit, but I could see flipping scum, but for now Im leaning more town. Was conf about your ptsd vote a little bit d1 as wellAbcaba - has been more scumlike, I feel like, me especially, has changed their reads a lot within the game (well I guess I have as well), leaning slightly scum, but could be convinced otherwise. Also earlier why were they criticizing someone for tr me when they had just said I had seemed townlike.
Potential Partners - Crespo, Clouds
Cactus - um wtf were you doing with ptsd your reads did not make very much sense to me and I feel like you just put yourself onto ptsd without really thinking about why and just left it there so that they couldn't defend themselves
Potential Partners - Clouds, Prod
Crespo - my thoughts on Crespo remain the same as earlier, has contributed very little and where tf did they go
Potential partners - FTF, Abcaba Clouds - ok so you are my new scumread, during d1, you said something along the lines of "ok so turt is definetely ptsd's partner if they flip scum" and here I am after ptsd flipped town and you still voted me for also you are tl'ing Cactus with everything they have done with ptsd and not finding it suspicious at all? Also is just kinda sheeping me without any thought about me defending myself or anyone else explaining anything about why i am scum/town.
Potential partners - Abcaba, Cactus Eh whatever sorry if this list doesnt make sense im adhd ill use that as an excuse So for some of your reads you say stuff like "they have contributed quite a lot" or smthing like that it would be helpful to everyone if you elaborated on what each person contributed specifically and why that makes them town also, a lot of these have to do with the ptsd wagon, if you had to say, how many scum do you think were on the ptsd wagon? No shot ur asking turt to explain when ur not explaining urself |
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Feb 11, 2024 2:19:53 GMT
im feeling fruity today (get it?)
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Feb 11, 2024 2:22:03 GMT
ok i still sus clouds way way a lot but ill unvote and I can go for abcaba depends tho I need to see voted numbers
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Post by abcaba on Feb 11, 2024 2:31:44 GMT
anyways, as far as my own reads go, i think 2 slots are the most likely partners for Clouds.
1. Toni - Clouds really feels like they're ignoring toni, this could just be bc toni is inactive as of rn but then again theres like no interactions and the fact that Clouds was first on ptsd wagon draws attention and toni is just an icky slot in general in fact i kinda regret not voting them d1
2. Prod - Clouds shifting from voting me to prod after some ppl are speculating into them being partnered is weird, especially with clouds not explaining the prod vote or making a post to encourage the vote at all
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