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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 0:12:24 GMT
This is really boring. What are your reads on every player right now? You're running out of slots to call town. Agree but boring wins games What's with the change of heart
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 25, 2024 0:21:44 GMT
Am i not town anymore schia
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 0:32:40 GMT
Here's where I'm at: toiletbro2 - ptsd ddlc stp schia lechen fame realiti vade passthesaltdude - tb2 ddlc stp schia lechen fame realiti vadeddlcfan69 - tb2 ptsd stp schia lechen fame realiti vade slowthepoke - tb2 ptsd ddlc schia lechen fame realiti vade schiavetto - tb2 ptsd ddlc stp lechen fame realiti vadelechen - tb2 ptsd ddlc stp schia fame realiti vadefame - tb2 ptsd ddlc stp schia lechen realiti vade realiti - tb2 ptsd ddlc stp schia lechen fame vade vaderaven - tb2 ptsd ddlc stp schia lechen fame realiti Upon rereading, I find myself liking Fame's slot a lot more, especially with the handling of Lechen's slot. I want to observe a world with vaderaven + realiti + 1 (leaning ddlcfan69, but am open for discussion on the first two pairing alone), but I am really distracted with STP's weird handling of DDLC (Hostile from the start with little room for DDLC to breathe) & PTSD's really weird EOD entrance. I think my village rn is shaping to be You/Lechen/Fame. Copy. Village candidacy for me is something like...
Lechen & Vade & Fame for me are like, my more robust TRs and are the ones I think I'm most violently opposed to seeing go over, but I also think out of the three, Vade is the one whose case probably needs to be made most explicit--because I think the threadspew read holds, but it's one that's easy to sail on/capitalize on over an extended period.
Rea I've said pretty clearly is my village candidate with the most margin for error--wolfiest non-POE slot--and Slowthe I'm want to revisit just bc it's admittedly controversial and I think it's worth doing the full reeval if things get to that point.
ddlc/tb2/pass fmpov are all slots that need to go imo unless anyone lands on a rocksolid towncase (Pass is 100% my axe today if anyone wasn't clear enough on that)--ik we've spoken abt how I don't think the above-group of village candidates has room for all three wolves (though atp I'm operating under the likelihood of that being contaminated & there being a would-be deepwolf, hence my avoiding "core"), but i do think that whether or not the Pass/DDLC/tb2 bucket has one wolf or two can give a clearer picture of what any wolves would have to be doing in-thread to stay deep.
With this vade slot in particular, I'm on the verge of unpairing vade with STP, Fame, less so TB2, not at all DDLC, but I would like this expanded on, yeah. The thing that stood out to me with vaderaven + realiti (and also the reason why I started day with a bold claim on this pairing) is because of vade's progression disconnects. It started on Page 29 (Day 2) when vaderaven put realiti on scumpool & put you as their strongest townread of the noms, but didn't take advantage of the noms given to really develop more thoughts on them, to, on the very next page, mentioning that the noms are triple town & you were the least valuable + ideal vote (while you were absent). This is the first disconnect that stood out to me as weird, but a second one appeared when you brought up rea/NE/iavh scumteam & vade put a smaller case on realiti shortly after (Pages 50 & 51) and putting them as a top scumlean to forgetting / opting to not pursue this read any further. The progression disconnects are weird and it read more to me as sprinkled in partner interactions more than reads that consisted over a long period of time (STP/NE & Inactive Slots are Bad, which alone probably unpairs vade with TB2). I would like to hear a case for vade threadspew & also not partnered with realiti here, I think the best thing going for them is their Day 1 interactions Pages 4-6.
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 0:34:33 GMT
And also I'm curious to see where vade goes here because there are less "inactive" slots than mafia members (the ones I think vade would put in this category are TB2 & PTSD), and they switched STP to a TL.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 0:37:39 GMT
Am i not town anymore schia :( I townread you, but I still think you're worth recasing. Like, if we look at this in terms of "hard game" vs "easy game", easy game is two in [ddlc/tb2/pass], hard game is one in [ddlc/tb2/pass, i.e. two misclears], with hardest game and easiest game being V/V/V and W/W/W respectively--both of which I think are like, lol lmao territory. In any instance, barring easiest game, we still do eventually have to probe outside of the current POE, and yeah sure I'm a confident guy, but if people I'm confident in are less confident in you, than I'm not so confident that I won't reread the thread a 7 or 8th time and retrace my steps for the sake of accuracy.
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 0:37:45 GMT
slowthepoke are you gonna case or do anything with ddlc? Looks like we already got three people interested in voting PTSD here, why should we vote DDLC over PTSD?
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 0:39:14 GMT
stp and ddlc bickering all game has bothered me a lot btw and i cannot unpair because i don't think stp is taking the steps to get people against ddlc.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 0:45:37 GMT
stp and ddlc bickering all game has bothered me a lot btw and i cannot unpair because i don't think stp is taking the steps to get people against ddlc. Yeah a frustration I'm grappling with heavily rn is like people with villager equity investing more-than-ideal energy into things that are just
a lot less helpful in-terms of them towntelling (e.g. ATEing and bailing, ATEing and selfvoting, petty spats, etc.)
&I'm also trying to keep that from leeching into how I talk about our current situation
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 0:47:25 GMT
Copy. Village candidacy for me is something like...
Lechen & Vade & Fame for me are like, my more robust TRs and are the ones I think I'm most violently opposed to seeing go over, but I also think out of the three, Vade is the one whose case probably needs to be made most explicit--because I think the threadspew read holds, but it's one that's easy to sail on/capitalize on over an extended period.
Rea I've said pretty clearly is my village candidate with the most margin for error--wolfiest non-POE slot--and Slowthe I'm want to revisit just bc it's admittedly controversial and I think it's worth doing the full reeval if things get to that point.
ddlc/tb2/pass fmpov are all slots that need to go imo unless anyone lands on a rocksolid towncase (Pass is 100% my axe today if anyone wasn't clear enough on that)--ik we've spoken abt how I don't think the above-group of village candidates has room for all three wolves (though atp I'm operating under the likelihood of that being contaminated & there being a would-be deepwolf, hence my avoiding "core"), but i do think that whether or not the Pass/DDLC/tb2 bucket has one wolf or two can give a clearer picture of what any wolves would have to be doing in-thread to stay deep.
With this vade slot in particular, I'm on the verge of unpairing vade with STP, Fame, less so TB2, not at all DDLC, but I would like this expanded on, yeah. The thing that stood out to me with vaderaven + realiti (and also the reason why I started day with a bold claim on this pairing) is because of vade's progression disconnects. It started on Page 29 (Day 2) when vaderaven put realiti on scumpool & put you as their strongest townread of the noms, but didn't take advantage of the noms given to really develop more thoughts on them, to, on the very next page, mentioning that the noms are triple town & you were the least valuable + ideal vote (while you were absent). This is the first disconnect that stood out to me as weird, but a second one appeared when you brought up rea/NE/iavh scumteam & vade put a smaller case on realiti shortly after (Pages 50 & 51) and putting them as a top scumlean to forgetting / opting to not pursue this read any further. The progression disconnects are weird and it read more to me as sprinkled in partner interactions more than reads that consisted over a long period of time (STP/NE & Inactive Slots are Bad, which alone probably unpairs vade with TB2). I would like to hear a case for vade threadspew & also not partnered with realiti here, I think the best thing going for them is their Day 1 interactions Pages 4-6. Read receipt btw, bookmarking
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 25, 2024 1:01:35 GMT
slowthepoke are you gonna case or do anything with ddlc? Looks like we already got three people interested in voting PTSD here, why should we vote DDLC over PTSD? I kinda forgot abt that, ill get to u later fishy time
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 25, 2024 1:01:50 GMT
slowthepoke are you gonna case or do anything with ddlc? Looks like we already got three people interested in voting PTSD here, why should we vote DDLC over PTSD? I kinda forgot abt that, ill get to u later fishy time But i have been working on it, just went to eat and forogt abt it
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 1:02:08 GMT
I kinda forgot abt that, ill get to u later fishy time But i have been working on it, just went to eat and forogt abt it awesome sauce
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 25, 2024 1:04:47 GMT
stp and ddlc bickering all game has bothered me a lot btw and i cannot unpair because i don't think stp is taking the steps to get people against ddlc. And in terms of this, i’ve tried to do that before, (d5) but its hard when theres a lurker slot in the noms as well, especially when a majority of people wanted to get rid of the lurkers as well.
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 25, 2024 3:09:06 GMT
I kinda forgot abt that, ill get to u later fishy time But i have been working on it, just went to eat and forogt abt it THIS GUYS A GANSTER? HIS REAL NAMES CLARENCE got home late but watch this drive
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 25, 2024 3:16:31 GMT
Fck i got disctracted with fish and i gotta sleep now, i also have football practice so ill prob post the case after 12
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 25, 2024 3:22:09 GMT
Fck i got disctracted with fish and i gotta sleep now, i also have football practice so ill prob post the case after 12 wut position
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 25, 2024 3:22:26 GMT
stp gives me o line vibes
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 4:35:02 GMT
I have a prediction for what I am going to see from a certain someone when I wake up let's see if it'll happen
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jun 25, 2024 6:08:10 GMT
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 25, 2024 6:58:53 GMT
ok im back, i was just kinda parked on ptsd to see their reaction and if their potential partners would do anything about it and it seems micro's progression on me is so weird, talking about disconnects, micro had me as null yesterday and now when I'm voting ptsd, it becomes a full on "I'm partnered with ddlc" which is something I wasn't expectingt o say the least. Have been busy the past few days so I couldn't post but I'm here now
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 25, 2024 6:59:16 GMT
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 25, 2024 11:08:52 GMT
Hi I’m town someone summarize everything
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 25, 2024 11:12:14 GMT
Also insane that in subbed into the one with twice as many pages how does that make sense
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 11:46:01 GMT
With this vade slot in particular, I'm on the verge of unpairing vade with STP, Fame, less so TB2, not at all DDLC, but I would like this expanded on, yeah. The thing that stood out to me with vaderaven + realiti (and also the reason why I started day with a bold claim on this pairing) is because of vade's progression disconnects. It started on Page 29 (Day 2) when vaderaven put realiti on scumpool & put you as their strongest townread of the noms, but didn't take advantage of the noms given to really develop more thoughts on them, to, on the very next page, mentioning that the noms are triple town & you were the least valuable + ideal vote (while you were absent). This is the first disconnect that stood out to me as weird, but a second one appeared when you brought up rea/NE/iavh scumteam & vade put a smaller case on realiti shortly after (Pages 50 & 51) and putting them as a top scumlean to forgetting / opting to not pursue this read any further. The progression disconnects are weird and it read more to me as sprinkled in partner interactions more than reads that consisted over a long period of time (STP/NE & Inactive Slots are Bad, which alone probably unpairs vade with TB2). I would like to hear a case for vade threadspew & also not partnered with realiti here, I think the best thing going for them is their Day 1 interactions Pages 4-6. Read receipt btw, bookmarking Full unpairing sheet exists in drafts but given that this is a busy day for me I want to at least touch on this early we can work through it--the threadspew thing comes down to what you fame and I have variously hit on whenever vade has come up, which is that by sheer number he probably has the most interactions that read as surface-level unpartnered. But. Some of those are undermined by the drop-off in thread presence (compare earlygame to later in thread), but I think one of the bigger possibly undermining factors is in that same argument that comes up btwn vade/Rea over the Myan read, it's coming right off of two attempted derpclears, which I've mentioned a couple times but I think there's room in the wolf-theater situation your describing for a trajectory where it's like, Vade comes in heavyhanded with the TR on partner, Rea shouts it down in wolfchat, and then we get the back-and-forth that follows. I think your point abt his stance-shift on the Litt-nom day is a good shout too, and I think it's worth people unpacking. The "ride-it-out" bit in the above quote is just putting a name to what you're describing here, a world where a slot with several early townreads just kind of sails on that. The other factor I'm taking into acct here is that out of our three remaining POE slots (including likely wolf Sir Pass-a-lot), I'm trying to factor in a paucity of content--if I'm holding back from the thread in the way that Rea and Pass have been, I can see either slot piecing in with one of the more widely TRed slots with lower thread presence. I'll let y'all know when I get back, ping me with stuff, etc.
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 13:53:21 GMT
Read receipt btw, bookmarking Full unpairing sheet exists in drafts but given that this is a busy day for me I want to at least touch on this early we can work through it--the threadspew thing comes down to what you fame and I have variously hit on whenever vade has come up, which is that by sheer number he probably has the most interactions that read as surface-level unpartnered. But. Some of those are undermined by the drop-off in thread presence (compare earlygame to later in thread), but I think one of the bigger possibly undermining factors is in that same argument that comes up btwn vade/Rea over the Myan read, it's coming right off of two attempted derpclears, which I've mentioned a couple times but I think there's room in the wolf-theater situation your describing for a trajectory where it's like, Vade comes in heavyhanded with the TR on partner, Rea shouts it down in wolfchat, and then we get the back-and-forth that follows. I think your point abt his stance-shift on the Litt-nom day is a good shout too, and I think it's worth people unpacking. The "ride-it-out" bit in the above quote is just putting a name to what you're describing here, a world where a slot with several early townreads just kind of sails on that. The other factor I'm taking into acct here is that out of our three remaining POE slots (including likely wolf Sir Pass-a-lot), I'm trying to factor in a paucity of content--if I'm holding back from the thread in the way that Rea and Pass have been, I can see either slot piecing in with one of the more widely TRed slots with lower thread presence. I'll let y'all know when I get back, ping me with stuff, etc. This is the biggest interaction I'm wrestling with here, yeah. Although I think it's possible for vade & realiti to fake this interaction, I don't see a reason why they would want to have an interaction like this in the first place, especially with vade calling in STP for thoughts on realiti's myan read as well. I feel like I should also note that of vade & the people I think vade pairs with (which atp is just realiti ddlc TB2), I prefer flipping partners first (realiti last) due to how disruptive a vaderaven flip would be to gamestate & the staggeringly few people vade pairs with compared to, let's say, ddlc/tb2/ptsd. If we get PTSD green & ddlc/TB2 red, I think it's worth observing heavier.
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