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Post by Rabac on Mar 13, 2015 16:03:22 GMT
Should you be talking? You threw out Jailkeeper. Idk what it means to be weak though. I assume that it doesnt work all the time. Also what is the watchlisted modifier and sympathiser?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:16:00 GMT
Drookez: Town HiderTarget one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overnight, the Hider will die too. A mediocre town power role; it increases the chance of the player both dying and being cleared or protected. Could be better; not necessarily an anti-town choice in forgoing a good role. Stir: Town HeroIf a King tries to execute you, the King dies instead. The only way a king could exist in this setup is through the one-shot kingmaker, an extremely obscure role without much formal definition. There's no way Stir would choose this role anyways; it's essentially a named vannilla townie with an infinitesimal chance of being useful. Alphajores: Watchlisted TownieInvestigates as Serial Killer. It's a bad town role; no way Alphajores would choose this anyways. Vanillager is better than this. Citrus Freak: Weak Town JailkeeperIt's a JK. That dies when it targets someone not town. Who the heck had this great idea? *hahPk Starrstorm: LyncherDiscarded an anti-town role, so that's good. Plus, I'd have been your target, so that's even better. :D Fort: Werewolf Passive One-Shot Paranoid Gun OwnerThis is a freaking great anti-town role. IMO, there's only two possibilities, you somehow got an even more unique and fun role for anti-town, or you have a slightly less-than-good pro town role, or an equally good town role thereof. The latter is more likely. TheWhoDoctor: Town DoctorWhy the heck would you discard such a good pro-town role? What even? Are you telling me that you're a townie who drew a doctor and a role BETTER than a doctor, and naturally went with the latter? Rabac: Town One-Shot GladiatorMeh town role; it's a potential dayvig if you're not confirmed, a dayvig if you're not. So I can see why you didn't choose this. rssp1: Mafia Goonrssp1 hates being town because he's always killed so quickly. So, why did he not choose Mafia Goon? This is a metagame argument, disregard entirely unless rssp1 is in LyLo. micc: Alien SympathiserIf there are Aliens in the game, you are an Alien goon. If there are no other Aliens, you are a VT. So you're a vanilla alien or a vanilla townie. And the latter is more likely. I can see why you discarded this. Aknolan: Vengeful TownieA vengeful townie is pretty good in my opinion; it's near-auto-win at LyLo, and your potential dayvig is coming from a confirmed townie, because you just flipped. Why would you discard such a good role? Same thoughts as TWD, but not as strong since there are more town-sided roles better than a vengeful townie than town-sided role better than doctor.
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Post by Rabac on Mar 13, 2015 16:16:59 GMT
Woah that was #75 Also what if he got a better doc like role? Ie: Jack-of-all-trades, 1-shot death proof doctor, 1 shot bulletproof JK? js. there are a number of possiblilites. And yes i know that it is 100% stupid for townie to throw out doc but it is plausible. And yes I am aware that this will make me look scummy. But I'm just tossing that possibility out there, imo its better to nl.
Note that if twd is something beneficial to town, and citrus gets twd lynched, dont automatically assume that citrus is mafia, honestly most townies will probably be inclined to lynch TWD b/c he threw out the doc role. In the case that he's lynched and is maf (are there any actual third party groupings in this format i wonder.) dont assume that im maf because I chose to point out a slight flaw in Citrus's logic.
Also seeing as there may not be a doc, and there might be a Mafia/WW/SK/Alien PL, it might be smart for cop, if we have one to not claim rn. Or we could hypo.
Rn best thing to do is just let the day drag out and see if we could catch any slip ups from anyone. That being said Lynch No Limits aka NL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:18:36 GMT
'Weak' means I die if I target someone who is anti-town. So the best target I can hope for is a confirmed townie who doesn't mind losing their night action. Alternatively I can suicide roleblock a scum, and we all know how effective suicide townie tactics are from my past experimentations.
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Post by Rabac on Mar 13, 2015 16:26:58 GMT
Thanks for explanation,
>we all know
bruh you do realize im still a nub at forums and i havent looked back at any of your old games.
All though I can see that it is a serious wifom type of situation. Say Im weak whatever, and I announce it to the town. The only useful info given to town is that i targeted so and so player and im alive. If I say oh im going to target X player (whos a townie), Y player (maf) may kill me to make the town think that I targeted Maf.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:31:01 GMT
Here are all the townie roles: [1-82] Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Watcher Tracker Tracker Cop Cop Cop Lover Seer Seer FBI Agent Doctor Doctor Roleblocker Jailkeeper Bodyguard Vigilante One-shot Vigilante One-shot Dayvig One-shot Dayvig Compulsive Childkiller (if any Innocent Child is revealed, the Childkiller must immediately dayvig that player) Bulletproof Townie Supersaint One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner Mason Mason Mason Mason Mason Doctor Mason Lover Lover Lover Lover Jack-of-all-trades (One Roleblock, One Cop, One Doctor) Vengeful Townie Retired Werewolf Hunter Retired Marine (Immune to Serial Killer kills) Miller Hirsute Townie (Investigates as Werewolf) Evangelistic Townie (Investigates as Cult) Tentacled Townie (Investigates as Alien) Watchlisted Townie (Investigates as Serial Killer) Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie (Universal Miller) Black Goo (Town; anyone who targets it with an action becomes Cult) Ascetic Townie Private Investigator (Gets result "Cult" or "Not Cult") Gravedigger (Shows up as targeting all nightkilled players to Trackers and Watchers on night of said players' deaths) Nymphomaniac (Compulsively chooses a Lover on Night 1; NOT part of pre-existing Lover groups unless united by N1 choice) One-shot Governor One-shot Unlynchable Townie Town Godfather Innocent Child Hider Enabler Treestump Conspiracy Theorist (Gets result "Alien" or "Not Alien"; investigates as "Alien") Conspiracy Theorist (Gets result "Alien" or "Not Alien"; investigates as "Alien") Conspiracy Theorist (Gets result "Alien" or "Not Alien"; investigates as "Alien") One-shot Kingmaker Weak Jailkeeper Bloodhound (Gets result "Town" or "Not town") Vanilla Cop (VTs, basic Werewolves and Mafia Goons are Vanilla) Hero (If a King tries to execute you, the King dies instead) Tourist (Compulsively targets someone every night. No effect) Nurse (If a Town Doctor dies, you inherit their power) One-shot Commuter Cop-of-all-Trades (One-shot Cop, One-shot Seer, One-shot FBI Agent, One-shot Conspiracy Theorist, One-shot Private Investigator) One-shot Gladiator (Target two players at night; if both alive at daybreak, they are the only two lynch candidates that day) Lynchbait (If you are lynched, any and all Lynchers immediately win) Psychiatrist (Target someone each night, if they are an SK they will become a Vanilla Townie) Judas Saulus
Here are all the townie roles that could possibly be seen as better than a doctor in any circumstance (other doctors included because possible duplicates): Watcher Tracker Tracker Cop Cop Cop Lover Seer Seer FBI Agent Doctor Doctor Roleblocker Jailkeeper Bodyguard Vigilante Bulletproof Townie Supersaint Mason Doctor Jack-of-all-trades (One Roleblock, One Cop, One Doctor) Bloodhound (Gets result "Town" or "Not town") Cop-of-all-Trades (One-shot Cop, One-shot Seer, One-shot FBI Agent, One-shot Conspiracy Theorist, One-shot Private Investigator) Psychiatrist (Target someone each night, if they are an SK they will become a Vanilla Townie)
Here are all the townie roles that could reaistically be seen as better than a doctor in some circumstances (underlines are iffy, due to the nature of this theme): Cop Cop Seer Seer FBI Agent Doctor Doctor Jailkeeper Bodyguard Mason Doctor Bloodhound (Gets result "Town" or "Not town") Cop-of-all-Trades (One-shot Cop, One-shot Seer, One-shot FBI Agent, One-shot Conspiracy Theorist, One-shot Private Investigator) Psychiatrist (Target someone each night, if they are an SK they will become a Vanilla Townie) Iffy because of the possibility that there are no SKs, otherwise, a good role.
And here are all the townie roles that could reaistically be seen as better than a doctor in most circumstances in this game, in my opinion (Asterisks mean definitely better than doctor): Doctor Doctor Jailkeeper* Bodyguard* Mason Doctor* Bloodhound (Gets result "Town" or "Not town")*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:34:20 GMT
So, of the 80 other cards he could have drawn that were town, only six were explicitly better than a doctor. The chance of him drawing one of those six for his second card, and choosing it, is FAR less than the chance of drawing one of the more 'appealing' and 'fun' anti-town roles. And, uh, don't ever ask anybody what suicide scumhunting was, okay?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:46:12 GMT
All though I can see that it is a serious wifom type of situation. Say Im weak whatever, and I announce it to the town. The only useful info given to town is that i targeted so and so player and im alive. If I say oh im going to target X player (whos a townie), Y player (maf) may kill me to make the town think that I targeted Maf. If I claimed weak JK, as well as who I was going to target, an anti-town faction could target me and then claim my claimed target was anti-town. And if I didn't say who I would target, and they were anti-town, then I die and no information is obtained. The only way it could work is if everyone believes my claim, the person I target is town, I am not killed, and they are not killed; then we'd have two confirmed townies, but only if you believed I was telling the truth in the first place. So weak JK is a suck role; I'm in the same boat in the eyes of public opinion as Stir and Alphajores. But yes, you're right, discarding weak JK does not in any way shape or form make me look better; it's not an explicitly anti-town role. So, just from the information coming from the roles discarded, Fort is looking very townie (come on, I just wanted one game where I could lynch him in good faith, dang it Mob .-.), I'm lynching TWD, and I'm FOSing Aknolan.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Mar 13, 2015 17:04:42 GMT
Playing this on forums with Citrus, I finally get why they say the discard reveal can replace the rl phase of d1.
Nice work btw citrus, I have to agree with most of your observations. However, I'm not sure about TWD. If all a lyncher has to do is lynch the guy, claim cop and get an "inspect" (This has worked before for me on ps lmao) Unless Lynchers have to survive till the end...? Idk
If I didn't know what I was, I'd say lynch Fort ASAP, that's a LEGENDARY anti-town role. But I know I'm town so no pls q.q TWD is just mfw Akno is ehhh, idk what vengeful townie is.
I'm willing to bet that rssp1 has a fun role to play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 17:06:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 17:08:22 GMT
Playing this on forums with Citrus, I finally get why they say the discard reveal can replace the rl phase of d1. Nice work btw citrus, I have to agree with most of your observations. However, I'm not sure about TWD. If all a lyncher has to do is lynch the guy, claim cop and get an "inspect" (This has worked before for me on ps lmao) Unless Lynchers have to survive till the end...? Idk If I didn't know what I was, I'd say lynch Fort ASAP, that's a LEGENDARY anti-town role. But I know I'm town so no pls q.q TWD is just mfw Akno is ehhh, idk what vengeful townie is. I'm willing to bet that rssp1 has a fun role to play. Use... Smaller words plz
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Mar 13, 2015 17:13:01 GMT
Playing this on forums with Citrus, I finally get why they say the discard reveal replaces the 'random lynch' phase of d1. Nice work by the way citrus, I have to agree with most of your observations. However, I'm not sure about TWD. If all a lyncher has to do is lynch the guy, claim cop and get an "inspect" (This has worked before for me on ps XD) Unless Lynchers have to survive till the end...? Idk If I didn't know what I was, I'd say lynch Fort as soon as possible, that's a LEGENDARY anti-town role. But I know I'm town so no please q.q TWD is just what??? Akno is ehhh, i don't know what vengeful townie is. I'm willing to bet that rssp1 has a fun role to play. Use... Smaller words plz I assume that's sarcasm and you want me to unabbreviate.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Mar 13, 2015 17:13:22 GMT
I didn't use big words x.x
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Post by Stir on Mar 13, 2015 18:24:33 GMT
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Post by micc on Mar 13, 2015 19:05:09 GMT
Sup
Im out of town this weekend and probably cant post much.
lynch citrus freak
Weak is an awesome modifier and probably would be worth keeping over most other town roles.
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Post by Alphajores on Mar 13, 2015 20:17:50 GMT
Sup Im out of town this weekend and probably cant post much. lynch citrus freakWeak is an awesome modifier and probably would be worth keeping over most other town roles. lol, good one. o wait
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Post by MyWay21 on Mar 13, 2015 20:35:49 GMT
micc I'm not sure if you are being serious or no.... Anywho I'd imagine also that Rssp has a fun role to play around with as well so I mean in that case... Lynch Rssp1 amirite?
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Post by MyWay21 on Mar 13, 2015 20:37:47 GMT
also I'd say that was a 10/10 100th post n_n ^
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Post by Alphajores on Mar 13, 2015 20:44:38 GMT
Any post including the lynching of rssp is 10/10
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Mar 13, 2015 21:02:02 GMT
Sup Im out of town this weekend and probably cant post much. lynch citrus freak Weak is an awesome modifier and probably would be worth keeping over most other town roles. That better be a joke... If it's not, imotbh policy lynch right there for horriblis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 21:30:56 GMT
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Post by rssp1 on Mar 13, 2015 22:51:52 GMT
@citrus you do know I also hate being mafia, especially when it's just a goon, right? I'd much rather prefer a role where i can actually do something. Or perhaps even a role that could keep me alive if i'm targeted at night.
Lynch: Pk Starrstorm OMGUS u fkn wot m9000000
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 1:25:23 GMT
Sup Im out of town this weekend and probably cant post much. lynch citrus freakWeak is an awesome modifier and probably would be worth keeping over most other town roles. If you're not joking, in about 24 hours I am going to give your face ten more nostrils
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Mar 14, 2015 1:51:56 GMT
Sup Im out of town this weekend and probably cant post much. lynch citrus freakWeak is an awesome modifier and probably would be worth keeping over most other town roles. If you're not joking, in about 24 hours I am going to give your face ten more nostrils Or I could blow his head off.
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Post by micc on Mar 14, 2015 2:38:01 GMT
Yeah, Im completely serious.
Weak is used to confirm people as town. The only other role in the setup that can do that is the bloodhound.
All the other cop type roles in the setup are factional (which really means almost useless). Weak is not factional.
Obviously you dont come out and claim it day 1, and you have to crumb well and the town has to be able to pick up the crumbs...but yeah weak is powerful if you use it right.
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