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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:00:17 GMT
and for that matter the esun example is nonsense because esun is an open setup and being a role is alignment indicatove because duh and either way obviously has mechanical effects
whereas aliases here there isn't any disadvantage to just claiming the real one because any 4 of the 13 could be the mafia given the flavor premise
if anything a cc on a role name actually helps town because it narrows it to a pool of two, even if the "we can't see one flip" thing is annoying it is still an objectively better situation than the alternative, because it's the same except with more town info
as opposed to esun, where scum not ccing means they let town have a cleare
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:02:08 GMT
I meant cc'ing aliases never helps scum obviously not claiming them now never helps scum and taking one, non-obvious interpretation that clearly runs counter to my stance is ?_?
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 16, 2017 22:07:15 GMT
Esun is no reveal. What do you see most people do when they have two Coroner claims in Esun?
What you were saying clearly wasn't "obvious", as you'd have gotten the point across the first time. Thank you for clarification, though.
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:11:16 GMT
the difference between esun and this is still that we know there is 1 maf coro and 1 town coro in esun, so if mafia doesn't cc coro on a non-maf coro death they choose to give town a clear
if mafia doesn't cc a role name that role name isn't clear because there's nothing alignment indicative about role names
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 16, 2017 22:13:31 GMT
Therefore, you are not clear for your soft and there is thus no reason for everyone to claim their roles to you.
If we have an inspection role, I'd appreciate them checking Phoenix tonight.
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:22:50 GMT
?_? if you are actually trying to get people not to claim because i'm not clear
why are you going after a random thing, COMPLETELY unrelated to the reason i'm essentially(though not actually indeed, although i do still stand by thinking i'm not means you haven't actually read my posts for comprehension) clear, that talks about why role names are innately nai when my 'clear' is mechanically basedd
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 16, 2017 22:26:16 GMT
I want people to not claim to you just because you said so. You first advocate against claiming flavor because the scum can speculate on the role, then ask people to claim their actual role to you?
What you seem to not get is that you are not clear by flavor or mechanics.
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:36:12 GMT
I know I'm not clear by any means by flavor and never said I was
I know I'm objectively not 100% clear by mechanics
I strongly do believe that my role claim is a 90+% clear and that the progression. into claiming it raises that to 97+%
claiming flavor in fucking pms to people who are 90+% town to you is fine because it doesn't really matter if *town* gets it although flavor names still don't actually matter for gamesolving / scumhunting at all
you are using a public claim of something with no significant benefit of town to learn and comparing it to a private claim which actually matters to denigrate my point, when if you actually were looking to just be cautious you would just advise "I wouldn't claim to Phoenix he isn't clear; he could be scum w 'flint'"
for that matter you actually just stopped touching on the massclaim thing, even a last note of defeat or whatever, and used it to go after something completely different(my claim) which my rebuttal had no bearing on whatsoever
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:37:40 GMT
ebwop: the claiming flavor in pms fine isn't actually good I just don't think it can do significant damage, unlike a pubclaim which absolutely can if they know about, say, a cop they want dead, and can pick who's most likely to be the cop by the flavor names they know for no reason
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 16, 2017 22:45:59 GMT
I have PMed you more regarding this on PS. I will likely have to go offline soon. There's virtually nothing about any flavor name that implies a role imo, with the obvious and already mentioned exception of Candice, and Bored's made it clear he doesn't plan on revealing his role for us.
Your claim and the suggestion we should claim to you regarding it is the primary problem I have. You're neither 90% or 97% town to me, so I won't be claiming to you. I support the massclaim still for the reasons I have mentioned and see no reason to not do so.
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:54:21 GMT
I'm not on comp and that's where I have ps open so I haven't seen it
I don't think massclaim dooms town, but there's a clear example of damage it definitely does(flint) and I've given potential for damage it could do(I don't think they can realistically guess role strength, but if they know there's, say, a watcher, which could definitely happen, it isn't that hard to figure out who it is)
I checked and nobody has actually given any actual reason for the flavor claims besides you with the cc thing(which I definitely rebutted) so ?_?
I'm about to be off also since crackle(dnd) starts in 7
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 22:54:44 GMT
*definitively, not definitely, although I also definitely did
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Post by qtball on Jul 16, 2017 23:34:31 GMT
Don't mind me lurking my role is op wanna stay off scums radar :^
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 23:54:16 GMT
v tbz[/strike
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Post by phoenix on Jul 16, 2017 23:54:30 GMT
oh
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 17, 2017 2:39:29 GMT
We're claiming aliases only, C7. The main reason I want to is to dissuade attempts to cc a given alias down the road, as this is no reveal so we can potentially otherwise end up in a situation like with Coroner ccs in Esun. Now now, who said that claiming aliases don't give you anything? We just got a fish on the hook. I hard claim Byron my hard will makes me bulletproof (once) and can also protect someone else (once) Well since people are massclaiming flavor regardless i guess i'll relent and go ahead and claim my flavor. Im actual Byron, not that nerd up there^ and Don't mind me lurking my role is op wanna stay off scums radar :^ Honestly, I'm not sure myself whom to believe but how Tz is like 'my role is OP' without even defending their alias, Unlynch Lynch ThunderBallz |
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 17, 2017 3:29:51 GMT
Thunder retracted Byron and claimed Fantina, and I think lurking's going to be hard to recognize given this is an OC game.
That said, things like that were the kind of thing I was referring to. Acid never got my PM apparently-it was a summary of how they're coming across to me right now and a request to explain if they meant something different. The vibe I'm getting is, "Hey, claiming aliases in thread is pointless and also lets scum spec on roles, which is bad. But you can totally claim to me because I'm clear. Why am I clear? I'll tell you later and when I do this other person who certainly isn't my scumbuddy can back me up!"
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 17, 2017 3:30:53 GMT
Grammar, Fenrir, grammar. EBWOP on the last sentence for clarity:
"I'll tell you later-and when I do, this other person who certainly isn't my scumbuddy can back me up!"
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Post by RADicate on Jul 17, 2017 3:53:31 GMT
We're claiming aliases only, C7. The main reason I want to is to dissuade attempts to cc a given alias down the road, as this is no reveal so we can potentially otherwise end up in a situation like with Coroner ccs in Esun. Now now, who said that claiming aliases don't give you anything? We just got a fish on the hook. I hard claim Byron my hard will makes me bulletproof (once) and can also protect someone else (once) Well since people are massclaiming flavor regardless i guess i'll relent and go ahead and claim my flavor. Im actual Byron, not that nerd up there^ and Don't mind me lurking my role is op wanna stay off scums radar :^ Honestly, I'm not sure myself whom to believe but how Tz is like 'my role is OP' without even defending their alias, Unlynch Lynch ThunderBallzI have had no interactions with tbz outside of that, what in a that obvious joking insult implies that we are "allies" |
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Post by incognito on Jul 17, 2017 6:00:49 GMT
whoa did this start on a weekend? someone catch me up
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jul 17, 2017 8:21:48 GMT
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Post by Umbrella on Jul 17, 2017 9:17:45 GMT
ALL SHOULD CLAIM THEIR ROLES TO ME conftown for role reasons(which i will reveal on claim after flint contacts me + i'm softing hard) also stop claiming in thread please; it doesn't actually matter that much but there's no reason to and mafia can spec because flavor will at least have bearing on role TYPE . Literally from you saying that there is no way I'm claiming to you nor do I like you claiming "conf town" but I agree people do not claim in the thread ;-; |
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Post by Umbrella on Jul 17, 2017 9:21:34 GMT
I literally can't stand any of acids post l o l like wth **Lynch Phoenix** I can't bold on on mobile but this is a lynch @snaquaza
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Post by Umbrella on Jul 17, 2017 9:22:36 GMT
Also I'm not going to be that active for a while so yeah but I'll try to get back to people if they ask me stuff and NO ONE ELSE CLAIM ty :3
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 17, 2017 9:29:43 GMT
bold on mabile is the same. Lynch ODMI have reason to believe this has bearing behind it. Also my claim could be to throw people off  or it could be real or it could be a double bluff |
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or it could be real