Twin Trap (Game Over-Town Win)

[clc ironic]

you literally click my name, click check this member's recent posts, and wow, you see my posts!
so confusing eh

[Bomb Moss]

Aug 12, 2017 17:30:28 GMT Snaq ◢ ◤ said:

ok so for the Vet wagon

I think the start was reasonable. Vet's post have indeed not been saying a lot. It's a little bit more than filler, but it's still not really contributing much and there doesn't seem to be a lot of thoughts behind her post. She could also be a townie who just isn't too interested in spending time, but she posted a lot for that. I think she could make more original reads than just quick comments. (She's a scumlean for me rn).

So I can get the start. Was it C7 -> CLC -> C7 off -> Xnad on -> Xnad off? (I think I'm missing someone?)

Although I get why xnad started scumreading Vet, but quickly hopped off as well. I may have missed something but he seemed fairly convinced of his read. I wouldn't be surprised if either or is scum. I'd like Bomb Moss to explain more why he suddenly scumreads Sad MORE than Vet (I can get it, but not exactly why it's more).

Overall though, Vet's way of posting doesn't seem to have changed from the wagon and there's not too much to it otherwise, as it wasn't a very strange wagon, nor do I think people besides Xnad acted too scummy on it (and even then, if he has a good reason why he thinks Sad is scum then idk)

Whether I'd support a Vet lynch now really depends on how Xnad responds and how Sad actually starts doing stuff. Right now, I'd prefer Sad as he hasn't said much, and if he keeps this up it could become a real problem. If he changes, then I'm mostly looking at Xnad vs. Vet right now.

(Also I didn't figure out how to do ISO) 

Because 1. Vet has came back and responded, 2. Sadistic Narwhal has pinged me on every radar Veteran has, by seconding their post, the same reasons I applied to vet now applies to him. Not only that, but the circumstance around their vote paint them in a far scummier light than Vet, especially after how they set up to blame them if shit goes wrong (bracketing "vet" to suggest the post is theirs so they can accuse them)

[ForgotToFlush]

Even though Sadwhal is an uber tempting lynch, watching c7 lynch him, after actively defending Vet Brio, with the reason being to promote more discussion throughout a longer day phase, signals scum to me. However I'm going to relax on this scum-read since I can't see any scum-teams outside of the obvious pairings.

Now further thoughts on the game's transgressions:

-Sadwhal has slotted and solidified himself  in the scumread section with such a weak stance on the game. He town reads Xnad, which is curious to me since Xnad was the first to apply some real pressure to Sadwhal. Xnad also cross examined Snaq and Vet brio. If anything Xnad's contributions have been under looked, since they provide more context to sadwhal being scum. Sadwhal was most likely reading the thread and saw Xnad, and decided to give a blatant read there.

-So Snaq analyzed the Vet wagon in order to establish his scum-read, whilst also scum-reading Sadwhal. Now this right here looks like some of the easiest pushing I've ever seen. I can agree that they're scummy, but is that it? Tell me you're saving more for day 2 or something dude.

-Now scrolling through clc's recent posts and I'm really trying to find something here. Anyways dude srs vet brio wow. (You did do the iso's tho so that's something). But link to post here shows that the you were in it to create pressure? What info have you gained from this pressure, or are you still trying to create more pressure? Has the iso convinced you sufficiently?

-Cseel has a composed read on Vet Brio and has actively entertained all arguments, positive or negative. One gripe: I view this as too aggressive, going as far as questioning small details which provide insignificant answers, case and point here: 

ForgotToFlush congrats for the four scum reads (half the pl) and also scumreading practically every user who is talking

congrats...!

I feel like scumreading more than the scum in the game is more so a playstyle thing, since it differentiates from person to person whether they want to SR more than the amount or scum or not, but it is Day 1 so there isn't as much to go on as later in the game, so reads aren't final anyways, so we shouldn't worry about it too much.

This is really just one big mix of opinions isn't it? Why even entertain it?

Reads
trs: Xnad, Cseel
Srs: C7, Vet Brio, Sadwhal

(Just one more thing, I still don't know how to do multiple quotes in one post, pls help ty xoxo)

[ForgotToFlush]

huzzah my link works, too bad the font is fuuucked

[Bomb Moss]

Ugh ok, activity going to dip for some while.

[Bomb Moss]

Where did sad tr me.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Aug 13, 2017 6:12:36 GMT ForgotToFlush said:

-So Snaq analyzed the Vet wagon in order to establish his scum-read, whilst also scum-reading Sadwhal. Now this right here looks like some of the easiest pushing I've ever seen. I can agree that they're scummy, but is that it? Tell me you're saving more for day 2 or something dude.

I'm not going to push people I don't think are scummy, either way for the rest.

I've talked about jumbo already. I can't remember much they've done besides the very early day thing. They're null with me keeping them in mind definitely, as I'm afraid they're staying under the radar now.

For now I think cseel and C7 are town, they seem to be contributing to town (although I want to check how much cseel has formulated herself outside of asking questions).

I think FTF has gotten much better since early game, and seems to be at least trying. I must reread to be sure, but I don't think they're suspicious right now either. They have clearly put in effort, made some decent points and I think C7 would be a very hard wagon for scum to start pushing.

clc I can't really remember what they've done either rn, besides the Vet ISO. I'll read back on them too to give a better opinion

[clc ironic]

pissed pokemafia died

..at least a little more time for this

[clc ironic]

Aug 13, 2017 6:12:36 GMT ForgotToFlush said:

Even though Sadwhal is an uber tempting lynch, watching c7 lynch him, after actively defending Vet Brio, with the reason being to promote more discussion throughout a longer day phase, signals scum to me. However I'm going to relax on this scum-read since I can't see any scum-teams outside of the obvious pairings. vet + jumbo, vet + sad but I agree with you vet + c7 is pretty tempting if you look at it in hindsight.

Now further thoughts on the game's transgressions:

-Sadwhal has slotted and solidified himself  in the scumread section with such a weak stance on the game. He town reads Xnad, which is curious to me since Xnad was the first to apply some real pressure to Sadwhal. Xnad also cross examined Snaq and Vet brio. If anything Xnad's contributions have been under looked, since they provide more context to sadwhal being scum. Sadwhal was most likely reading the thread and saw Xnad, and decided to give a blatant read there. true hes bad

-So Snaq analyzed the Vet wagon in order to establish his scum-read, whilst also scum-reading Sadwhal. Now this right here looks like some of the easiest pushing I've ever seen. I can agree that they're scummy, but is that it? Tell me you're saving more for day 2 or something dude. what do you mean. he's lynching the person he thinks is scummy lol...

-Now scrolling through clc's recent posts and I'm really trying to find something here. Anyways dude srs vet brio wow. (You did do the iso's tho so that's something). But link to post here shows that the you were in it to create pressure? What info have you gained from this pressure, or are you still trying to create more pressure? Has the iso convinced you sufficiently? I mean, if you took a look at my iso that would be great, where it shows vet went from not targeting lurkers to wanting to lynch a lurker and partially was probably due to my pressure. And no, at this point vet is scum I don't need more pressure.

-Cseel has a composed read on Vet Brio and has actively entertained all arguments, positive or negative. One gripe: I view this as too aggressive, going as far as questioning small details which provide insignificant answers, case and point here: 

ForgotToFlush congrats for the four scum reads (half the pl) and also scumreading practically every user who is talking

congrats...!

I feel like scumreading more than the scum in the game is more so a playstyle thing, since it differentiates from person to person whether they want to SR more than the amount or scum or not, but it is Day 1 so there isn't as much to go on as later in the game, so reads aren't final anyways, so we shouldn't worry about it too much.

This is really just one big mix of opinions isn't it? Why even entertain it?

Reads
trs: Xnad (sure), Cseel (no)
Srs: C7 (ok i guess), Vet Brio (yes), Sadwhal (yes)

(Just one more thing, I still don't know how to do multiple quotes in one post, pls help ty xoxo)

comments in bold.

[clc ironic]

vote count please Fenrir

vet is the lynch here---vet + jumbo/vet + sad/vet + c7 are all possible
who the hell would sad be with? drookez?? no one has actively buddied him, and only a couple are actively pushing him, therefore if they flip scum, there is not too much info as to possible scumteams. on the other hand, some people are actually buddying vet, so if they flip scum i say lynch one of the possible scumteams i had, and if they flip town, then we can see who was on the wagons and scumread from there (for example, people looking for easy pushes etc.).

[Deleted]

FTF when did i defend Vet

[clc ironic]

if anyone wanna request for an iso done go ahead
im far too lazy to just do one on everyone though

[Jodie Whittaker]

Nothing to say about page 10
Yes I'm very behind

[Jodie Whittaker]

Responding to page 11
Another big c7 paragraph
Forgottoflush reads half the player list and I see no reasoning
Clc did nothing helpful in his posts
..going to page 12

[Jodie Whittaker]

On page 12 the only true things I see helpful are:
The xnadrojx shift (sadisticnarwhal only lurked right, which is not helpful here?)
The lynch count before the next page

Page 13 coming up!

[Jodie Whittaker]

Finally something happened

Clc why do you do nothing (before page 14) and request that I be pressured?
And why are you so angry that I haven't responsed to pressure when you haven't enforced it.
I see no scumreads from you or you trying to help and I'm close to lynching you for that very reason

Hey look there's post at the end of page 13!
..going to page 14

[clc ironic]

Aug 13, 2017 14:26:44 GMT Jodie Whittaker said:

Finally something happened

Clc why do you do nothing (before page 14) and request that I be pressured?
And why are you so angry that I haven't responsed to pressure when you haven't enforced it.
I see no scumreads from you or you trying to help and I'm close to lynching you for that very reason

Hey look there's post at the end of page 13!
..going to page 14

because your not doing anything
if you had half an eye you would see i scumread you

[Jodie Whittaker]

Nothing on page 14
..except my wonderful post

[clc ironic]

i dont see what your doing either your thoughts are unreadable and make no sense...

[Jodie Whittaker]

Page 15 (I think)
I see no wagon on me

Responding to page 16 next

[clc ironic]

I like how you just see me, ftf, and xnad's posts...interesting
also ftf had reasoning if you can read
not sure why the only thing you say about c7 is "another big post" cause anyone can do that
possible vet + c7? maybe

[clc ironic]

i hope you read my iso i think on page 14
because if you just ignored like i think you did explain why

[clc ironic]

@chatterseel would you like to give us some actual scumreads instead of just answering everyone but not choosing a side?
this is pretty scummy tbh

[sadisticnarwhal]

Aug 13, 2017 5:26:49 GMT Bomb Moss said:

Aug 12, 2017 17:30:28 GMT Snaq ◢ ◤ said:

ok so for the Vet wagon

I think the start was reasonable. Vet's post have indeed not been saying a lot. It's a little bit more than filler, but it's still not really contributing much and there doesn't seem to be a lot of thoughts behind her post. She could also be a townie who just isn't too interested in spending time, but she posted a lot for that. I think she could make more original reads than just quick comments. (She's a scumlean for me rn).

So I can get the start. Was it C7 -> CLC -> C7 off -> Xnad on -> Xnad off? (I think I'm missing someone?)

Although I get why xnad started scumreading Vet, but quickly hopped off as well. I may have missed something but he seemed fairly convinced of his read. I wouldn't be surprised if either or is scum. I'd like Bomb Moss to explain more why he suddenly scumreads Sad MORE than Vet (I can get it, but not exactly why it's more).

Overall though, Vet's way of posting doesn't seem to have changed from the wagon and there's not too much to it otherwise, as it wasn't a very strange wagon, nor do I think people besides Xnad acted too scummy on it (and even then, if he has a good reason why he thinks Sad is scum then idk)

Whether I'd support a Vet lynch now really depends on how Xnad responds and how Sad actually starts doing stuff. Right now, I'd prefer Sad as he hasn't said much, and if he keeps this up it could become a real problem. If he changes, then I'm mostly looking at Xnad vs. Vet right now.

(Also I didn't figure out how to do ISO) 

Because 1. Vet has came back and responded, 2. Sadistic Narwhal has pinged me on every radar Veteran has, by seconding their post, the same reasons I applied to vet now applies to him. Not only that, but the circumstance around their vote paint them in a far scummier light than Vet, especially after how they set up to blame them if shit goes wrong (bracketing "vet" to suggest the post is theirs so they can accuse them)

Probably the reason for me seconding their post was because it made sense to me. It's not like someone that  is town could agree with potential scum's fake ideas, which in their case should reflect what a townie would think. Right? The bracket is legit the same thing as quoting except i did not know how to multi quote. I am not setting up anyone to blame; it doesn't work that way. "We both had the same opinion so they are wrong, not me." 

[sadisticnarwhal]

I will attempt to create a tr/sr list later when I have more energy