Hoenn Mafia [Game Over!]

[Bomb Moss]

Vote: AnimalLover77


Some major reactions there.

[Bomb Moss]

Setup spec tells me Tate Liza and Juan have relations

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

what does Juan have to do with them?

Tate and Liza probably in some way

[Champ1604]

Contradictory may it seem, I would like to request all to refrain from hammering Ani yet. I would like to hear from the trio, first.

Aug 26, 2017 10:48:04 GMT Bomb Moss said:

Setup spec tells me Tate Liza and Juan have relations

XnadrojX, eh, you say that as a follow-up of AnimalLover77 lynch?

[BoredGames]

Ok, so I read champ's massive post, and despite all the points they bring up there is one flaw which makes champ's theory flawed...

There are two scum teams made up of two people per scum team

Fact is a trio involving Animal, Zorquax and clc cannot be a scum team because it's 2 people per scum team, like it was in the Sinnoh Mafia game.

I'm not saying that Animal, Zor and Clc cannot be scum, i'm just saying that they cannot be a scum team together as a trio. If they were all scum then it would have to be a duo and then 1 of them + someone else.

Also Toni, claiming ur own flavour doesn't bother me, but claiming two other people's flavour for them does.

Don't want to lynch anyone because I haven't been able to talk with people as of late, so if u see me on PS hit me up

[BoredGames]

if I am wrong about this please correct me, but as far as I am aware of it's 2v2v11

[Champ1604]

Aug 26, 2017 14:06:56 GMT BoredGames said:

if I am wrong about this please correct me, but as far as I am aware of it's 2v2v11

it's 3v3v9 smh

[RADicate]

I cant tell if that was an intentional attempt to townslip or an actual townslip, part of me wants to say its forced based on the fact he felt the need to add a whole nother post stating "correct me if im wrong"

[❗]

Yes champ.. it seems like you have good reasoning but unfortunately, you are wrong.

the main fluke is.. if we are all town, we cannot be scum.

now let me give you more reasoning on this: Since I am town, clc is proven town, and animal is highly town.

Meanwhile, if animal is town, they know im town, yet I know clc is proven town, so they are town.

But the main point is, clc is also town, but a very bored town. He's just a marionette being controlled by the strings that bind him. He knows I am town, and I know that he and animal are town, so clc knows that animal is town.

If you were able to understand this logic, then good for you. Now, my main srs actually have to be Toni ~ cseel, Xnad/RAD. Xnad all you said in correspondence to the lynch was "major reaction" Obviously sheeping Champ's reads for such an obvious reason

[ForgotToFlush]

Lord give me strength

[ForgotToFlush]

Aug 26, 2017 2:03:02 GMT Champ1604 said:

I have a feeling that most of the lynches on Toni is just bandwagon. He claimed flavours, but do you all actually think Fenrir, no wait, any host is dumb enough to actually make flavour affect the factions of people? It may in a way affect the role of a person, but how do you think anyone can figure out the role of a person, considering that we all aren't Sherlock Holmes?

I'm on Toni specifically for the reason that they cannot be trusted. Also I'm not changing my mind in regards to that matter. 

Aug 26, 2017 3:09:00 GMT Umbrella said:

My role is Extremely Related to my flavor role so it defently would effect me if I were to claim and scum would "scout" my role 
ALSO HERE'S ALL OF ME AND RAD'S CONVOS READ THEM BEFORE HE ATTACKS ME SO YOU CAN SEE HIM ATTACKING ME IN PMS pastebin.com/vc94G8XB

Major overreaction

Aug 26, 2017 6:17:45 GMT Champ1604 said:

Aug 26, 2017 3:09:00 GMT Umbrella said:

My role is Extremely Related to my flavor role so it defently would effect me if I were to claim and scum would "scout" my role 
ALSO HERE'S ALL OF ME AND RAD'S CONVOS READ THEM BEFORE HE ATTACKS ME SO YOU CAN SEE HIM ATTACKING ME IN PMS pastebin.com/vc94G8XB

Now to tell something everyone - me telling ani that rad is doing something - was a bluff from my side. Yes, I was the person who even started it, and asked RAD's help for this, to pressure Animal. And guess what? He fell for it. Badly. 

Now now now, guys, I'm playing a game which is so joyful - after like a very long time. First time in this forum, maybe? So yep, consider me dead serious about this game. That said, I don't intend to troll this game, like how I troll each and every game.

TL;DR of this whole post: Umbrella , ❗ and clc ironic , are a scum faction. Boom - I just did this.

1. Reasons

1.1 AnimalLover77

This was the first I talked to in the trio. I took help from RADicate (my sole townread) in this, to firstly make a situation where they are under pressure of facing an 'all-out attack'. Their reaction is exactly as in the above post - and they totally got a heartattack.

    1.1.1 Townreads Zorquax and Clc Ironic - for a 'role related' reason - This is a common for the trio reason, and I would further explain it in the 2nd section.

    1.1.2 SRs Toni till their lynch - for a reason which anyone can pick up - This is self-explanatory - claiming that his role is extremely sensitive and can be hinted with an alias claim - is an easy way to get Toni lynched.
    
    1.1.3 Reaction to my and RADicate's plan - and their read on RADicate - Their reaction is self-explanatory. They freaked out. As to the second half of this, they reacted out that RADicate wants to lynch them because of the older game, but says that he neutral reads them. He provides reasons for  this, but then follows with 'idk tbh I don't want to SR them and then make people say that I'm OMGUSing'. Yes, this reason is debatable and I'm up for it, but you still can't rule out the first half of this.

1.2 Clc Ironic

This guy is weird. Claims to not really care about the game, but in all honesty, is a Tsundere about this.

    1.1.1 Claims to not know why AnimalLover77 TRs them - This is EXTREMELY weird. Why does AnimalLover77 and Zorquax have a TR them, which is 'role related', but this guy does not TR them nor are aware of them TRing him?

    1.1.2 Had no interest in conversing with me, unless mentioned AnimalLover77 - This was something which really pumped me up. They denied  conversing with RADicate and so were denying me, so I  said [13:15:48] Not Champ1604: So I assume that you can chat with ani, but not with me?.

1.3 Zorquax

With all honesty, Zorquax is a fun player. But in context to this game, they seemed worse than AnimalLover77.


    1.1.1 Won't give me reasons to why they TR AnimalLover77 and Zorquax, whatsoever - I brought them into a situation of 'Just answer YES or NO' to the fact whether they will give me reasons as to whether they will provide me reasons as to whether they will give me reasons for why AnimalLover77 and Zorquax - they answered no.


    1.1.2 Is extremely concerned as to whether I will lynch AnimalLover77 or not - Seemed more concerned then the fact that I SR them. I am confused as to whether they are scum partners or life partners. How romantic.


    1.1.3 Shares 'the meta' with AnimalLover77 - This one's a bit of contradictory with the first reason, but after extreme pushing, they said that they used  and I quote "the meta" with AnimalLover77. Probably it's romance.


2. The Great Confusion

Okay so all those who are reading this - this is something important. The scum trio are confused among themselves. I have tried to make an activity chart for that.

                        TRs Zorquax
AnimalLover77 --------------> Because "Roles"
          |   TRs Clc Ironic
           -------------- -> Because "Roles" ; Clc doesn't know this

              ^{TRs AnimalLover77}
Zorquax -------------------> Because he shares "The Meta"
      |   TRs Clc Ironic
       ----------------> Because he doesn't care about the game but is town (?)

                 ^{Semi TRs AnimalLover77}
Clc Ironic ---------------------------> Because AnimalLover77 TRs him
      |   Null Reads Zorquax
       ---------------------> Insufficient information

This doesn't quite make sense..

1. Why does Clc not know that they are being TR through "roles"?
2. Why does Zorquax say "The Meta" while AnimalLover77 says "roles"?
3. Zorquax's TR on Clc makes no sense.. they are town, because they are town?

Scum trio, your co-ordination isn't good.

3. The Chats

Disclaimer before you read the chats - I have used some lies and fillers to pressurise people and get as much as information as possible. I'm a trickster, and I accept that.

with Zorquax - pastebin.com/Rapu4EMX
with Clc Ironic - pastebin.com/eQQ9xA05
with AnimalLover77  - pastebin.com/v1RzfxSQ


That being said,
Lynch Animalover77

Now onto this....thing.....

First of all the conventions you use to categorize your arguments are extremely useless, since they are duplicate categorizations. None the less the only reason I mention this is because it makes it harder to quote specific points, when that's the intended purpose .^.

1.1)1.1.1)This Town-read and others like it can be COMPLETELY ARBITRARY, meaning that they hold no weight, and were obviously intended not to.
1.1)1.1.2)You weren't around for me confronting Toni in the main, but regardless, the evidence given shows that the Toni SR is completely acceptable. To maximize the potential of an OC, information shared should not be thrown out just for the fucking sake of it. Toni disregarded any strategy with that move. Regardless of you sring them or not, Toni proved themselves as a liability, so why question the lynch?
1.1)1.1.3) This pastebin shows you freaking out way more than Cowboy did. This is more self incriminating than incriminating of Al77. This is what happens when you play fast and loose with trust and privacy. The worst part is that AL77 explained in detail, why they SR Toni in this convo.

1.2)1.1.1) Arbitrary town-read. Obviously they formed a relationship to kick start the initial phases of the game.
1.2)1.1.2) More Self incrimination. You went to him in pms and decided to sow seeds, which again, paints you in bad light. The only reason I'm not lynching you this very post is because Toni decided to present themselves as an actual liability.

1.3)1.1.1)Arbitrary Town read once again. Having someone you can trust and converse with, to share info with is extremely valuable. DId you ignore the fact that you're doing the same thing with RAD?
1.3)1.1.2) Well if you threatened to lynch someone who I trusted a great deal, who also holds key information, I would be alarmed as well. Too bad there are only scum trios or perhaps you'd be adding me to the list next. Looking over the convo, I'd say you bloody interrogated the dude.
1.3)1.1.3) A R B I T R A R Y T O W N R E A D 

Now I'm just as confused about the activity chart. After the conf-bias that the three are scum, you blame it on miscommunication. Or you know. They're not coordinating reads. Wonder what that means? glares

Looking over the reads, how on earth did clc get roped into this hack-job exposé piece??

Aug 26, 2017 19:14:34 GMT ❗ said:

Yes champ.. it seems like you have good reasoning but unfortunately, you are wrong.

the main fluke is.. if we are all town, we cannot be scum.

now let me give you more reasoning on this: Since I am town, clc is proven town, and animal is highly town.

Meanwhile, if animal is town, they know im town, yet I know clc is proven town, so they are town.

But the main point is, clc is also town, but a very bored town. He's just a marionette being controlled by the strings that bind him. He knows I am town, and I know that he and animal are town, so clc knows that animal is town.

If you were able to understand this logic, then good for you. Now, my main srs actually have to be Toni ~ cseel, Xnad/RAD. Xnad all you said in correspondence to the lynch was "major reaction" Obviously sheeping Champ's reads for such an obvious reason

How is my defense for you better than your own response? Oh I'll tell you, turns out he didn't bother reading it. GG Zorquack.

[ForgotToFlush]

kerchoo

[Jodie Whittaker]

I was just Pranked by Snaq and radicate 

[qtball]

>people can have bad reactions in forums

The toni wagon was plain dumb but also claiming flavor d1 is dumb too except I do it all the time and I kinda wanna claim my flavor because omg I got my favorite gym leader <3

[Fenrir]

Votecount 1.1
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ToniTheTourGuide(2)- Umbrella , ForgotToFlush
animallover77(2)- Champ1604 , Bomb Moss
HoeenHero(1)- Crespo
Mafia Psychologist/cseel(1)- clc ironic
ForgotToFlush(0)-
ODM(0)-
RADicate(0)-
Champ∞1604(0)-
uberdogedevourer/XnadrojX(0)-
Snaquaza(0)-
clc ironic(0)-
Tunder~BALLZ(0)-
Broken Jukebox(0)-
Veteran Brionne(0)-
ajhockeystar/Zorquax(0)-
Not Voting(9)- incognito , RADicate , HoeenHero , @chatterseel , Snaq ◢ ◤ , qtball , BoredGames , Jodie Whittaker , ❗
******************************

There are 15 alive so it takes 8 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Monday the 28th at 1 PM EST.
If the deadline was now, ToniTheTourGuide would be lynched.

All users have confirmed their roles.
I've opted to continue using this format and hope for the best.

[❗]

lol can someone summarize the long paragraph

also tbowl pls

[RADicate]

pastebin.com/17HfdAsi


this was the "prank"
take of it what you will

[Champ1604]

Aug 26, 2017 20:24:04 GMT ForgotToFlush said:

First of all the conventions you use to categorize your arguments are extremely useless, since they are duplicate categorizations. None the less the only reason I mention this is because it makes it harder to quote specific points, when that's the intended purpose .^.

Heck I just noticed that I put 1.1.1 again in the second reasons.. I suck at formatting

[Champ1604]

Aug 26, 2017 20:24:04 GMT ForgotToFlush said:

Now onto this....thing.....

First of all the conventions you use to categorize your arguments are extremely useless, since they are duplicate categorizations. None the less the only reason I mention this is because it makes it harder to quote specific points, when that's the intended purpose .^.

1.1)1.1.1)This Town-read and others like it can be COMPLETELY ARBITRARY, meaning that they hold no weight, and were obviously intended not to.
This is the biggest loophole in your defences. Arbitrary? I wasn't sure what you meant by that term here, so to confirm myself, I even googled the term. It, in big, says 'based on random personal choice'. My friend, since when did you start TR'ing 'arbitrarily'? I would have troubles accepting you as a good mafia player if you started TR'ing them arbitrarily.
1.1)1.1.2)You weren't around for me confronting Toni in the main, but regardless, the evidence given shows that the Toni SR is completely acceptable. To maximize the potential of an OC, information shared should not be thrown out just for the fucking sake of it. Toni disregarded any strategy with that move. Regardless of you sring them or not, Toni proved themselves as a liability, so why question the lynch?
And? I have already posted about the reason why Toni SR is bad. I agree that Toni claiming the aliases of someone in the thread is a dumb act, but get this - why would scum post it on the thread? This is a 9v3v3. No scum faction will gain anything by providing information to other faction.
1.1)1.1.3) This pastebin shows you freaking out way more than Cowboy did. This is more self incriminating than incriminating of Al77. This is what happens when you play fast and loose with trust and privacy. The worst part is that AL77 explained in detail, why they SR Toni in this convo.
Yes. Them putting that message in bold and underline is more chill than me making a masochist joke.

1.2)1.1.1) Arbitrary town-read. Obviously they formed a relationship to kick start the initial phases of the game.
"Arbitrary"
1.2)1.1.2) More Self incrimination. You went to him in pms and decided to sow seeds, which again, paints you in bad light. The only reason I'm not lynching you this very post is because Toni decided to present themselves as an actual liability.
Okay, I should have mentioned this earlier. They 'denied' conversation with RADicate (or least that's what RADicate told me), why? Prove that instead of mentioning 'sow seeds' and 'paints you in bad light'.

1.3)1.1.1)Arbitrary Town read once again. Having someone you can trust and converse with, to share info with is extremely valuable. DId you ignore the fact that you're doing the same thing with RAD?
Quacking "Arbitrary"
1.3)1.1.2) Well if you threatened to lynch someone who I trusted a great deal, who also holds key information, I would be alarmed as well. Too bad there are only scum trios or perhaps you'd be adding me to the list next. Looking over the convo, I'd say you bloody interrogated the dude.
WHY U TRUST EM WITH GREAT DEAL HUH??
1.3)1.1.3) A R B I T R A R Y T O W N R E A D 
A R B I T R A R Y _ M A K E S _ N O _ S E N S E

Now I'm just as confused about the activity chart. After the conf-bias that the three are scum, you blame it on miscommunication. Or you know. They're not coordinating reads. Wonder what that means? glares
Miscommunication of the scum, my friend. Should have been OBVIOUS.

Looking over the reads, how on earth did clc get roped into this hack-job exposé piece??
what

Reactions in bold. Yesh, I have used the Fenrir style because they are the host :3

[Bomb Moss]

Ok someone hit me up on PMs, I'm lonely again

[incognito]

Internet problems, will be back in 17 hours, i'm probably town

[BoredGames]

Aug 27, 2017 12:04:11 GMT incognito said:

Internet problems, will be back in 17 hours, i'm probably town

WTF?!

Everyone confirmed their roles, so WDYM BY PROBABLY TOWN

Why even add that? Is this some weird way of u trying to force clear ur self? This makes no sense.

The rest of the thing is fine, although it is just filler, but "i'm probably town" makes no sense whatsoever.

(Ik I am probably reading into this way too much, but still, i'm just confused on why u would add that bit of text right at the end)

Also Hoeenhero... at least post something pls.

[ForgotToFlush]

Context is important isn't it

Definition of arbitrary

1

a : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will an arbitrary choice

This is the biggest loophole in your defences. Arbitrary? I wasn't sure what you meant by that term here, so to confirm myself, I even googled the term. It, in big, says 'based on random personal choice'. My friend, since when did you start TR'ing 'arbitrarily'? I would have troubles accepting you as a good mafia player if you started TR'ing them arbitrarily.

Looking at motive, not intent:
(while they may seem to be synonyms, they have key differences that strengthen my case)
The motive of throwing out TRS: Building initial trust in order to exchange information.
The intent that everyone assumes: Locking close friends as town in order to exclude everyone else
Meaning: This isn't bad as you make it out to be, and you definitely can't form reads from it
And before people start telling me that I can't assume what they're assuming, then open your bloody eyes. Everyone and their mother was afraid of playing with Ani and Zor together because of this and I've failed to see how they've been setting the game back more than all of you seem to. From the convos where Champ speaks to them specifically I see no effort to communicate, just someone hunting for a scatterbrained reason to scum-read them.

Okay, I should have mentioned this earlier. They 'denied' conversation with RADicate (or least that's what RADicate told me), why? Prove that instead of mentioning 'sow seeds' and 'paints you in bad light'.

Ask Rad lol
Or alternatively, give us that pastebin

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

lynch veteranbrionne

I think they had a kind of strange response, and have spoken to some people about what the best course of action is right now.

[BoredGames]

Aug 26, 2017 6:17:45 GMT Champ1604 said:

Aug 26, 2017 3:09:00 GMT Umbrella said:

My role is Extremely Related to my flavor role so it defently would effect me if I were to claim and scum would "scout" my role 
ALSO HERE'S ALL OF ME AND RAD'S CONVOS READ THEM BEFORE HE ATTACKS ME SO YOU CAN SEE HIM ATTACKING ME IN PMS pastebin.com/vc94G8XB

Now to tell something everyone - me telling ani that rad is doing something - was a bluff from my side. Yes, I was the person who even started it, and asked RAD's help for this, to pressure Animal. And guess what? He fell for it. Badly. 

Now now now, guys, I'm playing a game which is so joyful - after like a very long time. First time in this forum, maybe? So yep, consider me dead serious about this game. That said, I don't intend to troll this game, like how I troll each and every game.

TL;DR of this whole post: Umbrella , ❗ and clc ironic , are a scum faction. Boom - I just did this.

1. Reasons

1.1 AnimalLover77

This was the first I talked to in the trio. I took help from RADicate (my sole townread) in this, to firstly make a situation where they are under pressure of facing an 'all-out attack'. Their reaction is exactly as in the above post - and they totally got a heartattack.

    1.1.1 Townreads Zorquax and Clc Ironic - for a 'role related' reason - This is a common for the trio reason, and I would further explain it in the 2nd section.

    1.1.2 SRs Toni till their lynch - for a reason which anyone can pick up - This is self-explanatory - claiming that his role is extremely sensitive and can be hinted with an alias claim - is an easy way to get Toni lynched.
    
    1.1.3 Reaction to my and RADicate's plan - and their read on RADicate - Their reaction is self-explanatory. They freaked out. As to the second half of this, they reacted out that RADicate wants to lynch them because of the older game, but says that he neutral reads them. He provides reasons for  this, but then follows with 'idk tbh I don't want to SR them and then make people say that I'm OMGUSing'. Yes, this reason is debatable and I'm up for it, but you still can't rule out the first half of this.

1.2 Clc Ironic

This guy is weird. Claims to not really care about the game, but in all honesty, is a Tsundere about this.

    1.1.1 Claims to not know why AnimalLover77 TRs them - This is EXTREMELY weird. Why does AnimalLover77 and Zorquax have a TR them, which is 'role related', but this guy does not TR them nor are aware of them TRing him?

    1.1.2 Had no interest in conversing with me, unless mentioned AnimalLover77 - This was something which really pumped me up. They denied  conversing with RADicate and so were denying me, so I  said [13:15:48] Not Champ1604: So I assume that you can chat with ani, but not with me?.

1.3 Zorquax

With all honesty, Zorquax is a fun player. But in context to this game, they seemed worse than AnimalLover77.


    1.1.1 Won't give me reasons to why they TR AnimalLover77 and Zorquax, whatsoever - I brought them into a situation of 'Just answer YES or NO' to the fact whether they will give me reasons as to whether they will provide me reasons as to whether they will give me reasons for why AnimalLover77 and Zorquax - they answered no.


    1.1.2 Is extremely concerned as to whether I will lynch AnimalLover77 or not - Seemed more concerned then the fact that I SR them. I am confused as to whether they are scum partners or life partners. How romantic.


    1.1.3 Shares 'the meta' with AnimalLover77 - This one's a bit of contradictory with the first reason, but after extreme pushing, they said that they used  and I quote "the meta" with AnimalLover77. Probably it's romance.


2. The Great Confusion

Okay so all those who are reading this - this is something important. The scum trio are confused among themselves. I have tried to make an activity chart for that.

                        TRs Zorquax
AnimalLover77 --------------> Because "Roles"
          |   TRs Clc Ironic
           -------------- -> Because "Roles" ; Clc doesn't know this

              ^{TRs AnimalLover77}
Zorquax -------------------> Because he shares "The Meta"
      |   TRs Clc Ironic
       ----------------> Because he doesn't care about the game but is town (?)

                 ^{Semi TRs AnimalLover77}
Clc Ironic ---------------------------> Because AnimalLover77 TRs him
      |   Null Reads Zorquax
       ---------------------> Insufficient information

This doesn't quite make sense..

1. Why does Clc not know that they are being TR through "roles"?
2. Why does Zorquax say "The Meta" while AnimalLover77 says "roles"?
3. Zorquax's TR on Clc makes no sense.. they are town, because they are town?

Scum trio, your co-ordination isn't good.

3. The Chats

Disclaimer before you read the chats - I have used some lies and fillers to pressurise people and get as much as information as possible. I'm a trickster, and I accept that.

with Zorquax - pastebin.com/Rapu4EMX
with Clc Ironic - pastebin.com/eQQ9xA05
with AnimalLover77  - pastebin.com/v1RzfxSQ


That being said,
Lynch Animalover77

Aug 26, 2017 19:14:34 GMT ❗ said:

Yes champ.. it seems like you have good reasoning but unfortunately, you are wrong.

the main fluke is.. if we are all town, we cannot be scum.

now let me give you more reasoning on this: Since I am town, clc is proven town, and animal is highly town.

Meanwhile, if animal is town, they know im town, yet I know clc is proven town, so they are town.

But the main point is, clc is also town, but a very bored town. He's just a marionette being controlled by the strings that bind him. He knows I am town, and I know that he and animal are town, so clc knows that animal is town.

If you were able to understand this logic, then good for you. Now, my main srs actually have to be Toni ~ cseel, Xnad/RAD. Xnad all you said in correspondence to the lynch was "major reaction" Obviously sheeping Champ's reads for such an obvious reason

why am I doing this to myself? Anyway, let me give some thoughts on the clc, Animallover and Zorquax situation

Quote 1-The massive quote basically. I want to bring up a certain argument about what if let's say Zorquax is actually town. Therefore, due to role related reasons it is highly likely Animal and clc would also be town. So forming a sr on all 3 of them and blaiming it on miscommunication is a stretch, simply because there are scenarios in which all 3 can be town.

The most confusing part in the trios actions is clc. However, there could be a way in which clc is proven town yet he doesn't know why. According to Toni hoeen (who really needs to do something) is Juan, and that Zorquax is Liza. To my knowledge Animallover hasn't claimed there alias and Clc may/may have not claimed theirs (i'm going to assume they haven't). So we know Zorquax is Liza. The reason Animal and Zor tr eachother and tr Clc is due to role related reasons. So, we could be facing another twin scenario. As a result, this means Animal would most likely be Tate, leaving Clc as someone else. This means that Animal and Zor could meta eachother as they would both know each other to be town. The only way they could tr clc is if they had certain info that they won't release to the rest of us, if they had a role related reason with clc (which I cannot see happening otherwise clc would also tr both of them as well) or if they were trolling/if they were a scum team. The only problem is that why would scum run the risk of trying to town lock everyone d1? So if 1 of them is clear, the other 2 would be at least semi-clear as well. But if one of them were scum, then Champ would most likely be right and that the rest are scum as well. I don't like the idea of lynching one of these 3 rn because we can clear them, or we can reveal a whole scum team.  

Time to contradict myself...

Quote 2- ZORQUAX THIS POST IS STUPID AND DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING

Let me explain, this post is simply muddying the waters, causing chaos. It's not what he is saying that is the problem, he is mostly right in saying that if he is town animal and clc are also most likely town. It's the lack of info explaining this that is my problem. Zorquax is basically the "link" between how all 3 must be town. So zorquax, let me hear something from you about this. PROVE HOW CLC IS TOWN I dare u Zorquax. Prove it to me how you can be certain Clc is town, and how that makes you and animal town as well. Like I said in my part on how clc can be proven town, it is most likely zorquax that you have info that proves clc is town, but I have some doubts over this. Let me bold them so you can read them better. How come you can prove Clc is town, but Animal can't, yet both of you tr clc for the same reasons? That is weird about your post zor, how come you can prove clc's innocence but Ani can't. How come when your town ani is highly likely to be town, but if they are town you are conf town That doesn't add up in my mind. In all scenarios you are conf town, yet ani isn't? But hang on, you contradict yourself when you bring up clc. "But the main point is, clc is also town, but a very bored town. He's just a marionette being controlled by the strings that bind him. He knows I am town, and I know that he and animal are town, so clc knows that animal is town." In this part you also say that you know ani is conf town, but when ur conf town ani isn't conf town, only highly likely to be town? Wdym by "strings that bind him" This part is quite honestly confusing. So clc is apparently being controlled, but by who? How do you know this? Are you the one controlling clc? EXPLAIN!!! Also... You say clc knows your town, so why doesn't he say he tr's you? This is just annoying. What your saying doesn't correlate with what Clc is saying.

   

I'm not done with you yet zorquax. Let's look at your Sr's. Toni, Cseel, Xnad/RAD

1-How come the only sr you explain is Xnad?
2-Why are you not sure about who you sr out of RAD and Xnad? Or is it because of the same reasons?
3-Why do you sr cseel? I'm honeslty confused. Is t because of the pm chats you've had with them?
4-Why do you sr RAD? Is it pm chats? Is it because they helped champ with sr'ing Ani? Is it because they and Snaq pranked Vet?
5-If you sr RAD for either the second or third reason, why don't you also sr Snaq and Champ?

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PS-I am not saying I tr the trio nor am I saying I sr them. I'm just providing analysis on the situation.