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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 26, 2017 19:31:31 GMT
thanks for sniping me VigVig lmao incognito the questions were more along the line of "why did you end day early by hammering" rather than "why did you hammer the dude" like yes, he was undeniably scummy but why did you hinder town like that side note, may craft a wallpost later when i'm done doing all the homework i procrastinated on |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 22:18:25 GMT
>Luckily, it's not.ok he is host confirmed town unlynch Xnadrojx If you want me to be honest, I want to host meta the shit out of "Luckily, it's not", but it could go both ways. It could mean a) Luckily for town, as Xnad is town/a PR or b) Luckily for Xnad, as he is scum. Alright, cool. So I outed town PR to prevent him from being lynched and completely wasted a day with a whatever-you-guys-want lynch on a townie with too little resistance on his wagon to actually be scum. So I'm playing well /s Be back with more reads tonight. I don't get this part, what are you trying to say? Also, are you saying you only bandwagoned because "you guys" wanted a lynch on EpicCreeper9002? Mindless bandwagon? Pedit: I think you're referring to Spiderz, as he blocked you and there weren't any kills, but I would still like you to confirm please. Honestly, I'm not gonna take this into reads as you say it's being biased by your current emotional state, since it's relatable, but still if you could reply to this, that'd be good. On mobile and about to shower, so I can't make a longer post with replies to things. I should be able either later tonight or tomorrow morning. But if everyone could give their thoughts on cseel if they haven't already, 'twould be appreciated. I didn't know it took 17 hours to become morning. cseel has a really hard to read posting style. i'm unsure about the content level of her posts due to the sporadic and inconsistent nature. she's a null-scum read for me because of the lack of things that stand out to me. might also be unconscious omgus, so i'm unsure Could you quote a post (or multiple posts) that you think are "hard to read"? And is having "hard to read" posts a scumtell? If so, why? As I already explained, I hammered that idiot because his posts were actual crap. He was contributing nothing except posting quality shit like, and I quote, 'ded'. I do not tolerate people who join with no intention to actually scumhunt. All the other questions are targeted towards cseel I really don't know what you want me to answer jav. As for my low activity, low activity does not mean I'm not actively looking for scum, it's just that I don't post whatever thoughts come into my mind. (see: cseel on page 38 I think?) And Fenrir, I never accused you of anything, I was just reaction testing what you would do if I called you scummy. Call it player meta if you will. Your reaction was kinda interesting tho. As Javelinlover said, I'm pretty sure, it's not about why you hammered, but why you hammered at that time/so early. We had ~24 hours left (well, according to some people iirc), and it was all just wasted by a hammer vote. We could've used that time to discuss things, but whatever. |
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 26, 2017 22:38:27 GMT
aiyahh
if i tried to quote it, there would be a million mile long wallpost. first off, you respond to things inside the post itself which is super confusing because i'm used to just relying on memory to see what was said in the post quoted. that's one of the major things. second off that also makes you really hard to quote. also you post a lot of really short posts so i have to sift through a fuckload of posts to get to your content. after a while it just starts blurring. my fault, but that's why i'm not necessarily scumreading you for it, i'm just commenting that your posting style is hard for me to read. that post was a response to fenrir's btw, not any particular attack on you.
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 26, 2017 22:40:27 GMT
also because sometimes your bolds are stuff you want to emphasize and sometimes they're your comments.
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 26, 2017 23:24:39 GMT
I played horribly early on, and i know that. I really don't have much of a defense for that, and i'm just trying to play as well as i can the rest of the way. As i said earlier, i agree with Fenrir's readslist, so i'm going to Lynch cseel for now. And this may come across as an OMGUS, but cseel is definitely scummy.
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 27, 2017 0:46:45 GMT
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 27, 2017 1:32:55 GMT
Just overall play has been scummy, and i don't want to read through the entire ISO right now. Will look through more later, but i agree with most people's reasoning on cseel.
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 27, 2017 4:00:26 GMT
so you're bandwagoning
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 27, 2017 5:16:45 GMT
Yeah, i guess i was bandwagoning. But after rereading cseel, i really don't see that much that makes me go "scum!" from them. I'm tired, will probably go through what i think is important tomorrow morning. That was not a good idea.
Unlynch cseel
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 27, 2017 6:36:09 GMT
oML JAV WHEN ARE YOU GONNA FRICKING REALISE THAT I DIDNT HAMMER OML Tbh I don't really care about the semantics of who hammered, because you still have this: unlynch YellowSkarmory, HAMMER ECThat's actually hammer smh the old dying man can't count, but anyways he's #2 on my SRs and I'm pretty sure he's YS's partner. What was going through your mind at the time you posted this? Each time it comes up you're just "defending" yourself with the fact that it wasn't the hammering vote, but you still did it. Ok so, as i understand it, you want me to answer this post? As I already explained, I hammered that idiot because his posts were actual crap. He was contributing nothing except posting quality shit like, and I quote, 'ded'. I do not tolerate people who join with no intention to actually scumhunt. All the other questions are targeted towards cseel I really don't know what you want me to answer jav. As for my low activity, low activity does not mean I'm not actively looking for scum, it's just that I don't post whatever thoughts come into my mind. (see: cseel on page 38 I think?) And Fenrir, I never accused you of anything, I was just reaction testing what you would do if I called you scummy. Call it player meta if you will. Your reaction was kinda interesting tho. Jav and Vigvig already referenced the fact that the vote still ended the day early. Re: "low activity doesn't mean I'm not actively looking for scum" I'd appreciate it if you'd post whatever thoughts have so far come into your mind, as opposed to making vague comments such as the last sentence of this post. What was interesting about the reaction, and what conclusions did you reach regarding my alignment? On mobile and about to shower, so I can't make a longer post with replies to things. I should be able either later tonight or tomorrow morning. But if everyone could give their thoughts on cseel if they haven't already, 'twould be appreciated. I didn't know it took 17 hours to become morning. Fight me irl my brother sniped the computer On the bright side, I have a new computer charger and am back on campus so that won't be a problem any time soon. Alright, after a quick read-through: I dislike Jav a little more I gave YS way too much credit, leaping to his defense personally and making the mistake of townreading him for it as well Fenrir's trust of YS seems unfounded, and I can't help but wonder how much of that I had to do with Fenrir TRs me too much ODM is doing something Spieky is Cseel rubs me the wrong way And I'm going to stop my reads from there because they are clearly being biased by my current emotional state. Hem, haw. How much "should" I townread you? Most of my reads are still based on behaviors that I don't see as coming from scum, such as your reaction test during D1/YS's overall D1 resembling that of new town/Jav changing her reads earlier such that there was no one for her to push. I do want to hear from YS right now though regarding his own reads, since with cseel he basically just said "I agree with other people's reasons" only to change his mind fairly quickly. Minor thing I forgot about earlier when I went to post about Spieky and why I think he's more likely to be SK, but the singular nightkill implies that the SK was successfully blocked, and given that Spiderz randblocked n1 and for the most part followed consensus later on, I could see him going with Spieky after reading the EoD discussion about him. This closes the length of the ">" between him and cseel/ODM albeit not by much due to other possibilities (such as both scum targeting Spiderz). |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 27, 2017 6:59:10 GMT
So, we've established cseel as not SK (unless she used her 1-shot Strongman on FtF/Prod for some reason), which means that if she's scum she has to be Mafia with a partner. List of players: Yellow$¢$Skarmory
Fenrir
cseel
VigilanteVigoroth
ScorrchingTheaph
Bomb Moss
Javelinlover
Citrus Freak
ayia
Spieky
ODM Based on interactions, we can almost certainly remove YS as a partner unless there's some hardcore bussing/distancing going on. The same can be said for ODM, since every time someone asks why cseel "hammered" her response is to shift attention to him. In the other direction, I've been unnecessarily trying to bus cseel yesterday if we're partners, and Vigvig is clear, of course. I requested people's reads on cseel to further narrow down the pool of potential partners. Cseel has been a fairly consistent weak scumlean/FoS for Scorrching, who I'll leave on the shortlist since that's a semi-common distancing tactic (Emmy still did nothing wrong). Xnad has nothing about anyone who isn't epic. Jav I'm fairly sure is town, although based on interactions alone I can see them as a scumteam considering that once cseel says "ODM hammered not me" Jav doesn't seem concerned with the fact that cseel still placed a "hammering" vote. At the same time I don't see Jav opening the day with a long (rainbowy) wallpost calling out cseel like that, so I feel comfortable removing them from the list. Citrus has next to nothing regarding cseel so I'm leaving him on, though he's the least likely. The ayia slot doesn't actually exist. Spieky's few posts list cseel as a scumlean but do nothing to actually pursue that line of thought; there's no lynch of questioning and the read itself is based on a singular post where cseel switched her vote. Which leaves a list of five: ScorrchingTheaph Bomb Moss Citrus Freak Ayia Spieky With Scorrching and Citrus as less likely partners than the other three. So ultimately I still think a scum cseel is plausible and that a cseel flip would be very helpful. I'm about to do a similar thing for ODM before deciding on my lynch, but from what I can recall there are even fewer interactions between him and most of the living players so I'm not looking forward to it. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 27, 2017 7:13:31 GMT
GFDI.
Why did I hammer early.
1-I had no idea when deadline was
2-I was not going to be able to come on later and I wanted to make sure that epic was hammered and that there wouldn't be a last minute shift (see: bored evading 3 lynches in a row when he was obvious scum)
3-I'm sorry I robbed us of precious quality discussion time. It was not my intention. Now can we please forget this subject and focus on stuff that matters?
4-Fenrir, you want my reads? I think cseel is the scummiest right now, with jav and ys being the towniest. I'm still leaning scum on you, town on theaph. Rest I have no opinions on, mostly because they haven't been participating. I'd be glad to explain in depth if anyone wants me to, just please stop making the fact that I hammered early so scummy.
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 27, 2017 7:20:32 GMT
Ffs I'm tired, this was a bad idea at 2 AM. Can remove cseel for the above reasons. Can remove Fenrir for reasons similar to the above reasons re: cseel. Can remove Vigvig due to being clear. YS had a comment during d2 (I think) saying that ODM was a townlean despite not doing much, which makes him a possible partner imo given that it's a vague/hedgy comment: "Hasn't done enough, but what he has done is townlean, but not enough. Activity needed." Scorrching doesn't have a single comment on ODM, nor do Xnad/Ayia. Spieky has ODM randomly thrown into the list of his townleans. Citrus has similarly little. Jav started with ODM as a scumread then shifted to town after a semi-lengthy analysis and while I don't agree with it I don't think Jav would as scum draw that much attention to a partner if it could be avoided (see also the current line of questioning re: the hammer). Final list: Yellow$¢$Skarmory ScorrchingTheaph Bomb Moss Citrus Freak ayia Spieky With Citrus/Scorrching/YS as less likely. Which of course leaves the three least active players. And this is based on having very little to analyze. Vote: cseel, there's more learned imo from this flip between the two. If cseel is town, I propose an ODM lynch the next day. Also going to give a quick poke to Bomb Moss, Spieky, and ayia |
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 27, 2017 7:20:36 GMT
incognito1) it's in the goddamned title? 2) fair point 3) i guess 1 explains that, huh? 4) im requesting that explanation, thanks. for all of them, especially thé townread on YS sorry for the short post, on mobile and fuck school in 6 hours gotta sleeeeep
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 27, 2017 7:22:01 GMT
Oh hi ODM posted while I was doing that. Yes, I want you to explain in depth. You still haven't explained why you're leaning scum on me and apparently have no read on Citrus, who's definitely been participating?
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Post by incognito on Nov 27, 2017 7:24:08 GMT
incognito 1) it's in the goddamned title? 2) fair point 3) i guess 1 explains that, huh? 4) im requesting that explanation, thanks. for all of them, especially thé townread on YS sorry for the short post, on mobile and fuck school in 6 hours gotta sleeeeep American timezones are hard |
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Post by incognito on Nov 27, 2017 7:26:26 GMT
Oh hi ODM posted while I was doing that. Yes, I want you to explain in depth. You still haven't explained why you're leaning scum on me and apparently have no read on Citrus, who's definitely been participating? Your reaction to me saying you're scummy was kind of panicky, you don't usually panic. That's why I think you're scum right now. Not too hard of a read so don't panic over that yet. Citrus, yeah, I can't read citrus. I'll just hope he's town. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 27, 2017 7:36:16 GMT
Get back here. You can't just call someone scummy, not explain why, and THEN ask others to explain their own lynches. You considered this panicky? What prompted your initial comment (and thus your read on me prior to my response)? |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 27, 2017 7:41:19 GMT
I don't see why hammering was such a big deal. Most people were scumreading EC and wanted him lynched. No one was strongly against it, so I don't see how a few more hours of discussion really mattered there. At the time, I don't think anyone would've shifted off of EC even if no one had hammered. Waiting for plurality would've been a waste of time in my opinion. I'm not really liking Jav's reaction. Why scum read someone for hammering someone pretty much everyone thought was scum? Also, why accuse cseel of fillering when it was extremely obvious that they were just shitposting? That's just pointing out the obvious, and honestly I don't think it's a valid reason to scum read. Jav questions ODM about the hammer yet actively denies scumreading ODM. Something just doesn't add up for me. The fact that cseel has been tunneling YS makes me townread them. I don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch for 4 days in a row. I don't like how they are deflecting all accusations of hammering to ODM, when cseel herself still lynched EC after hammer under the assumption that she was hammering. I reread the most recent posts from YS's iso and I'm starting to question my early townread on them. It seems like YS is trying overly hard to act townie by justifying his posts over and over, but never giving any strong opinions. On the other hand, he's done pro-town things too, such as suggesting hypo and attempting to gamesolve by looking at possible role combinations. Looking back on his readlist, I take issue with some of the things he has said, now that there have been a few flips. A lot of his readlist was simply asking for more activity, which I take as NAI. I don't understand why YS was scumreading FTF, especially when he even mentioned specifically that Flush got on Toni and shifted. YS doesn't explain why he was reading FTF as having bussed Toni. The read on Spiderz smells really fishy to me, considering that Spiderz flipped as Town PR. The Day 2 wagon felt like scum trying to push a mislynch on Town PR to me, and I'm starting to suspect YS for it. A lot of YS's explanation is just a summary of what happened involving Spiderz, and he doesn't really explain why he reads Spiderz as "null-scum." YS also says that he "somewhat believes" Spiderz's claim, but doesn't back up why. Finally, YS says he'd be ok with a Spiderz lynch, but then says, "i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway." This line doesn't really make sense to me, because how do you scum read someone and also believe that they are town PR at the same time? Context: ForgotToFlush - Null-scum. Gets on RADicate during RVS, gets off and onto Toni, then when i lynch Toni to stay alive he gets on me (makes sense), pushes me a lot, then gets off me later because i've relaxed, after some time of not really pushing. Then gets on Toni, shifting. Fine with a lynch on them, probably the one i'm most confident about being scum. Spiderz - Null-scum. Jumps on Toni when he arrives, putting a 6th lynch on them, claims that Toni is "conf SK", then randomly gets off and onto vigvig with "Reasons that will be bad for town if he says them", then he says he doesnt want to claim but might have to "to save town from being stupid", then when VigVig claims mason he gets on EC and says he autolynches vigvig if anyone ccs mason, asks for Toni's PR after translating zor's posts, then claims town white bishop (i somewhat believe) and also says that citrus is scum because no kill, then gets off after a bit of being pointed out that some other way could've stopped kill, then says "if you mean by outing myself outing myself as scum i never did that" is a somewhat scummy line (i can see where slip came from that), then pushes zor. He's new, but this is really interesting slot right now. I'd be ok i guess with a lynch on spiderz though i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway. I also don't like how YS responded to Jav's accusation of bandwagonning. No one else was even on the cseel lynch, meaning plurality was still on Xnadrojx (who still hasn't said anything). Admitting to bandwaggoning and saying you "reread and don't see anything scummy" is not good reasoning. I would appreciate if YS gave an updated readlist. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 27, 2017 7:45:30 GMT
Get back here. You can't just call someone scummy, not explain why, and THEN ask others to explain their own lynches. You considered this panicky? What prompted your initial comment (and thus your read on me prior to my response)? Nothing. My initial comment was just BS. Now I'm just thinking about how you reacted to it. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 27, 2017 7:46:28 GMT
I don't see why hammering was such a big deal. Most people were scumreading EC and wanted him lynched. No one was strongly against it, so I don't see how a few more hours of discussion really mattered there. At the time, I don't think anyone would've shifted off of EC even if no one had hammered. Waiting for plurality would've been a waste of time in my opinion. I'm not really liking Jav's reaction. Why scum read someone for hammering someone pretty much everyone thought was scum? Also, why accuse cseel of fillering when it was extremely obvious that they were just shitposting? That's just pointing out the obvious, and honestly I don't think it's a valid reason to scum read. Jav questions ODM about the hammer yet actively denies scumreading ODM. Something just doesn't add up for me. The fact that cseel has been tunneling YS makes me townread them. I don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch for 4 days in a row. I don't like how they are deflecting all accusations of hammering to ODM, when cseel herself still lynched EC after hammer under the assumption that she was hammering. I reread the most recent posts from YS's iso and I'm starting to question my early townread on them. It seems like YS is trying overly hard to act townie by justifying his posts over and over, but never giving any strong opinions. On the other hand, he's done pro-town things too, such as suggesting hypo and attempting to gamesolve by looking at possible role combinations. Looking back on his readlist, I take issue with some of the things he has said, now that there have been a few flips. A lot of his readlist was simply asking for more activity, which I take as NAI. I don't understand why YS was scumreading FTF, especially when he even mentioned specifically that Flush got on Toni and shifted. YS doesn't explain why he was reading FTF as having bussed Toni. The read on Spiderz smells really fishy to me, considering that Spiderz flipped as Town PR. The Day 2 wagon felt like scum trying to push a mislynch on Town PR to me, and I'm starting to suspect YS for it. A lot of YS's explanation is just a summary of what happened involving Spiderz, and he doesn't really explain why he reads Spiderz as "null-scum." YS also says that he "somewhat believes" Spiderz's claim, but doesn't back up why. Finally, YS says he'd be ok with a Spiderz lynch, but then says, "i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway." This line doesn't really make sense to me, because how do you scum read someone and also believe that they are town PR at the same time? Context: ForgotToFlush - Null-scum. Gets on RADicate during RVS, gets off and onto Toni, then when i lynch Toni to stay alive he gets on me (makes sense), pushes me a lot, then gets off me later because i've relaxed, after some time of not really pushing. Then gets on Toni, shifting. Fine with a lynch on them, probably the one i'm most confident about being scum. Spiderz - Null-scum. Jumps on Toni when he arrives, putting a 6th lynch on them, claims that Toni is "conf SK", then randomly gets off and onto vigvig with "Reasons that will be bad for town if he says them", then he says he doesnt want to claim but might have to "to save town from being stupid", then when VigVig claims mason he gets on EC and says he autolynches vigvig if anyone ccs mason, asks for Toni's PR after translating zor's posts, then claims town white bishop (i somewhat believe) and also says that citrus is scum because no kill, then gets off after a bit of being pointed out that some other way could've stopped kill, then says "if you mean by outing myself outing myself as scum i never did that" is a somewhat scummy line (i can see where slip came from that), then pushes zor. He's new, but this is really interesting slot right now. I'd be ok i guess with a lynch on spiderz though i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway. I also don't like how YS responded to Jav's accusation of bandwagonning. No one else was even on the cseel lynch, meaning plurality was still on Xnadrojx (who still hasn't said anything). Admitting to bandwaggoning and saying you "reread and don't see anything scummy" is not good reasoning. I would appreciate if YS gave an updated readlist. The bolded thing is an extremely good point and makes me scumread cseel even more. She kept deflecting this to me when she lynched with an intention to hammer as well. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 27, 2017 8:01:20 GMT
Scorrching doesn't have a single comment on ODM ODM honestly hasn't said much up until today but as of now, I'm townreading him. Although lack of early game activity, I like his defense of his townread on YS. Solid logic. I don't like his lynch on Zorquax; his reasoning was just that Quax was "most harmful to town," and he didn't give any reasoning as to scumreading Zorq. Not sure how I feel about how hard ODM is buddying me, especially how it's always accompanied with a read on Fenrir. "I like the way Theaph is participating in this. He seems town. Unlike Fenrir." "Fenrir, you want my reads?" "I'm still leaning scum on you, town on theaph" I don't really understand why ODM finds Fenrir's reaction scummy. If Fenrir flips town, definitely FOS on ODM. I don't like how incognito hasn't lynched his scumread yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 8:01:33 GMT
Oh good, so many posts, will reply soon and probably a full readlist soon. Currently I can say Fenrir continues to ignore some of my posts, smh. Kinda pissed and happy that the activity picked up.
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Post by incognito on Nov 27, 2017 8:09:31 GMT
Scorrching doesn't have a single comment on ODM ODM honestly hasn't said much up until today but as of now, I'm townreading him. Although lack of early game activity, I like his defense of his townread on YS. Solid logic. I don't like his lynch on Zorquax; his reasoning was just that Quax was "most harmful to town," and he didn't give any reasoning as to scumreading Zorq. Not sure how I feel about how hard ODM is buddying me, especially how it's always accompanied with a read on Fenrir. "I like the way Theaph is participating in this. He seems town. Unlike Fenrir." "Fenrir, you want my reads?" "I'm still leaning scum on you, town on theaph" I don't really understand why ODM finds Fenrir's reaction scummy. If Fenrir flips town, definitely FOS on ODM. I don't like how incognito hasn't lynched his scumread yet. by 'my scumread' do you mean fen or cseel? |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 27, 2017 8:12:35 GMT
ODM, either one, I just find the fact that you haven't lynched strange.
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