Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 8:36:51 GMT
ugh, sorry if this post isn't really of good quality, I have assignments I have to work on, but I also have to post this, so yeah I'm quite stressed, also my mental state right now isn't the best so idk.
Side note: I'm going to use underline to emphasise things and bold to comment.
Yeah, i guess i was bandwagoning. But after rereading cseel, i really don't see that much that makes me go "scum!" from them. I'm tired, will probably go through what i think is important tomorrow morning. That was not a good idea.
Unlynch cseelSo why did you lynch me initially? Was it just because you thought I was scummier than I actually am?
Tbh I don't really care about the semantics of who hammered, because you still have this:
That's actually hammer smh the old dying man can't count, but anyways he's #2 on my SRs and I'm pretty sure he's YS's partner.What was going through your mind at the time you posted this? Each time it comes up you're just "defending" yourself with the fact that it wasn't the hammering vote, but you still did it. Are you actually fucking serious? You said this before and I told you why, but now you fucking ask again. Are you ignoring my posts on purpose? If so, I'm gonna say this politely, it's really rude and you should actually read my posts, and not scumread me for something that I explained.
Ok so, as i understand it, you want me to answer this post?
As I already explained, I hammered that idiot because his posts were actual crap. He was contributing nothing except posting quality shit like, and I quote, 'ded'.
I do not tolerate people who join with no intention to actually scumhunt.
All the other questions are targeted towards cseel I really don't know what you want me to answer jav.
As for my low activity, low activity does not mean I'm not actively looking for scum, it's just that I don't post whatever thoughts come into my mind. (see: cseel on page 38 I think?)
And Fenrir, I never accused you of anything, I was just reaction testing what you would do if I called you scummy. Call it player meta if you will. Your reaction was kinda interesting tho.
Jav and Vigvig already referenced the fact that the vote still ended the day early. Re: "low activity doesn't mean I'm not actively looking for scum" I'd appreciate it if you'd post whatever thoughts have so far come into your mind, as opposed to making vague comments such as the last sentence of this post. What was interesting about the reaction, and what conclusions did you reach regarding my alignment? Nothing much to say about this, but I agree with most parts of it.
Fight me irl my brother sniped the computer k fight me bro. Get it? Ha "bro"
On the bright side, I have a new computer charger and am back on campus so that won't be a problem any time soon.
Alright, after a quick read-through:
I dislike Jav a little more
I gave YS way too much credit, leaping to his defense personally and making the mistake of townreading him for it as well
Fenrir's trust of YS seems unfounded, and I can't help but wonder how much of that I had to do with
Fenrir TRs me too much
ODM is doing something
Spieky is
Cseel rubs me the wrong way
And I'm going to stop my reads from there because they are clearly being biased by my current emotional state. Hem, haw.How much "should" I townread you? Most of my reads are still based on behaviors that I don't see as coming from scum, such as your reaction test during D1/YS's overall D1 resembling that of new town/Jav changing her reads earlier such that there was no one for her to push. I do want to hear from YS right now though regarding his own reads, since with cseel he basically just said "I agree with other people's reasons" only to change his mind fairly quickly.
This just rubs me the wrong way. It's weird that you're asking someone "How much should I townread you?", I don't know how to explain it, but it just rubs me the wrong way, and I don't see this coming from town!Fenrir, as scum Fenrir tends to ask more questions about his play, how to improve it, etc. 2nd underline: Why do you base it on that? You said you also read based on interactions too. 3rd: just agree with this.
Minor thing I forgot about earlier when I went to post about Spieky and why I think he's more likely to be SK, but the singular nightkill implies that the SK was successfully blocked, and given that Spiderz randblocked n1 and for the most part followed consensus later on, I could see him going with Spieky after reading the EoD discussion about him. This closes the length of the ">" between him and cseel/ODM albeit not by much due to other possibilities (such as both scum targeting Spiderz).
Fenrir, here you go, since you clearly don't read my posts at all.
I'm not satisfied with this response considering you still made a post where you thought you were hammering. To both incognito and cseel, what was your thought process in hammering (and please don't use the excuse of "Vigvig asked for hammer"), and to incognito , you never elaborated on your apparent FoS on me.
Saw after typing this that ODM "explained". I'm not a fan of the "he's hindering town" argument obviously-there's ~40 pages, you should have some reads of some sort. Actually, you do apparently (on me), so why didn't you follow/pursue those as opposed to going for the most popular wagon?
Are you actually serious? I already clearly explained that he was my second highest scumread, since he wasn't putting any effort at all into making posts/reading posts, and probably other stuff the past me thought about. I don't know why people have a tendency to just ignore my posts, not read them or even not take them into effect, but it's seriously really fucking annoying.
I make the font size larger since otherwise you wouldn't fucking notice it.
So, we've established cseel as not SK (unless she used her 1-shot Strongman on FtF/Prod for some reason), which means that if she's scum she has to be Mafia with a partner.
List of players:
Based on interactions, we can almost certainly remove YS as a partner unless there's some hardcore bussing/distancing going on. The same can be said for ODM, since every time someone asks why cseel "hammered" her response is toshift attention to him (redundant) correct people by informing them that ODM hammered. In the other direction, I've been unnecessarily trying to bus cseel yesterday if we're partners The fuck is this supposed to mean?, and Vigvig is clear, of course.
I requested people's reads on cseel to further narrow down the pool of potential partners. Cseel has been a fairly consistent weak scumlean/FoS for Scorrching, who I'll leave on the shortlist since that's a semi-common distancing tactic (Emmy still did nothing wrong Emmy did everything wrong.). Xnad has nothing about anyone who isn't epic. Jav I'm fairly sure is town, although based on interactions alone I can see them as a scumteam considering that once cseel says "ODM hammered not me" Jav doesn't seem concerned with the fact that cseel still placed a "hammering" vote. At the same time I don't see Jav opening the day with a long (rainbowy) wallpost calling out cseel like that, so I feel comfortable removing them from the list. Citrus has next to nothing regarding cseel so I'm leaving him on, though he's the least likely. The ayia slot doesn't actually exist. Spieky's few posts list cseel as a scumlean but do nothing to actually pursue that line of thought; there's no lynch of questioning and the read itself is based on a singular post where cseel switched her vote. Which leaves a list of five:
ScorrchingTheaph
Bomb Moss
Citrus Freak
Ayia
Spieky
With Scorrching and Citrus as less likely partners than the other three.
So ultimately I still think ascum town!cseel is plausible and that a cseel flip would be very helpful. I'm about to do a similar thing for ODM before deciding on my lynch, but from what I can recall there are even fewer interactions between him and most of the living players so I'm not looking forward to it.
GFDI.
Why did I hammer early.
1-I had no idea when deadline was
2-I was not going to be able to come on later and I wanted to make sure that epic was hammered and that there wouldn't be a last minute shift (see: bored evading 3 lynches in a row when he was obvious scum)
3-I'm sorry I robbed us of precious quality discussion time. It was not my intention. Now can we please forget this subject and focus on stuff that matters?
4-Fenrir, you want my reads? I think cseel is the scummiest right now, with jav and ys being the towniest. I'm still leaning scum on you, town on theaph. Rest I have no opinions on, mostly because they haven't been participating. I'd be glad to explain in depth if anyone wants me to, just please stop making the fact that I hammered early so scummy.It is really clear by now that ODM is lazy as fuck. He blamed timezones as in not knowing when deadline was.
3) Shifting attention lol
I don't see why hammering was such a big deal. Most people were scumreading EC and wanted him lynched. No one was strongly against it, so I don't see how a few more hours of discussion really mattered there. At the time, I don't think anyone would've shifted off of EC even if no one had hammered. Waiting for plurality would've been a waste of time in my opinion.
I'm not really liking Jav's reaction. Why scum read someone for hammering someone pretty much everyone thought was scum? Also, why accuse cseel of fillering when it was extremely obvious that they were just shitposting? That's just pointing out the obvious, and honestly I don't think it's a valid reason to scum read. Jav questions ODM about the hammer yet actively denies scumreading ODM. Something just doesn't add up for me.
The fact that cseel has been tunneling YS makes me townread them. So because I'm tunneling YS, you townread YS? Why? I don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch for 4 days in a row. Then are you calling me town? And if so why would me tunneling YS make you townread him? I don't like how they are deflecting all accusations of hammering to ODM, This shouldn't matter too much to you as you think hammering wasn't a big deal. when cseel herself still lynched EC after hammer under the assumption that she was hammering. THANKS FOR BEING A FENRIR AND IGNORING MY EXPLANATION.
I reread the most recent posts from YS's iso and I'm starting to question my early townread on them. It seems like YS is trying overly hard to act townie by justifying his posts over and over, but never giving any strong opinions. On the other hand, he's done pro-town things too, such as suggesting hypo and attempting to gamesolve by looking at possible role combinations. Looking back on his readlist, I take issue with some of the things he has said, now that there have been a few flips. A lot of his readlist was simply asking for more activity, which I take as NAI. I don't understand why YS was scumreading FTF, especially when he even mentioned specifically that Flush got on Toni and shifted. YS doesn't explain why he was reading FTF as having bussed Toni. The read on Spiderz smells really fishy to me, considering that Spiderz flipped as Town PR. The Day 2 wagon felt like scum trying to push a mislynch on Town PR to me, and I'm starting to suspect YS for it. A lot of YS's explanation is just a summary of what happened involving Spiderz, and he doesn't really explain why he reads Spiderz as "null-scum." YS also says that he "somewhat believes" Spiderz's claim, but doesn't back up why. Finally, YS says he'd be ok with a Spiderz lynch, but then says, "i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway." This line doesn't really make sense to me, because how do you scum read someone and also believe that they are town PR at the same time?
Context:ForgotToFlush - Null-scum. Gets on RADicate during RVS, gets off and onto Toni, then when i lynch Toni to stay alive he gets on me (makes sense), pushes me a lot, then gets off me later because i've relaxed, after some time of not really pushing. Then gets on Toni, shifting. Fine with a lynch on them, probably the one i'm most confident about being scum.
Spiderz - Null-scum. Jumps on Toni when he arrives, putting a 6th lynch on them, claims that Toni is "conf SK", then randomly gets off and onto vigvig with "Reasons that will be bad for town if he says them", then he says he doesnt want to claim but might have to "to save town from being stupid", then when VigVig claims mason he gets on EC and says he autolynches vigvig if anyone ccs mason, asks for Toni's PR after translating zor's posts, then claims town white bishop (i somewhat believe) and also says that citrus is scum because no kill, then gets off after a bit of being pointed out that some other way could've stopped kill, then says "if you mean by outing myself outing myself as scum i never did that" is a somewhat scummy line (i can see where slip came from that), then pushes zor. He's new, but this is really interesting slot right now. I'd be ok i guess with a lynch on spiderz though i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway. I also don't like how YS responded to Jav's accusation of bandwagonning. No one else was even on the cseel lynch, meaning plurality was still on Xnadrojx (who still hasn't said anything). Admitting to bandwaggoning and saying you "reread and don't see anything scummy" is not good reasoning. I would appreciate if YS gave an updated readlist.
The fact that cseel has been tunneling YS makes me townread them. I don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch for 4 days in a row. I don't like how they are deflecting all accusations of hammering to ODM, when cseel herself still lynched EC after hammer under the assumption that she was hammering.
The bolded thing is an extremely good point and makes me scumread cseel even more. She kept deflecting this to me when she lynched with an intention to hammer as well.
You also think that part is a good point? "You don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch 4 days in a row so you scumread me more." Think about what you're saying, kiddo.
I'm gonna tag Fenrir and ScorrchingTheaph this time so they don't miss my post + I would like them to read my post with close detail.
Side note: I'm going to use underline to emphasise things and bold to comment.
Unlynch cseel
Nov 26, 2017 2:30:27 GMT @howdoitagyou said:
oML JAV WHEN ARE YOU GONNA FRICKING REALISE THAT I DIDNT HAMMER OMLNov 23, 2017 8:20:56 GMT @howdoitagyou said:
unlynch YellowSkarmory, HAMMER ECThat's actually hammer smh the old dying man can't count, but anyways he's #2 on my SRs and I'm pretty sure he's YS's partner.
As I already explained, I hammered that idiot because his posts were actual crap. He was contributing nothing except posting quality shit like, and I quote, 'ded'.
I do not tolerate people who join with no intention to actually scumhunt.
All the other questions are targeted towards cseel I really don't know what you want me to answer jav.
As for my low activity, low activity does not mean I'm not actively looking for scum, it's just that I don't post whatever thoughts come into my mind. (see: cseel on page 38 I think?)
And Fenrir, I never accused you of anything, I was just reaction testing what you would do if I called you scummy. Call it player meta if you will. Your reaction was kinda interesting tho.
Nov 26, 2017 22:18:25 GMT @howdoitagyou said:
I didn't know it took 17 hours to become morning.On the bright side, I have a new computer charger and am back on campus so that won't be a problem any time soon.
I dislike Jav a little more
I gave YS way too much credit, leaping to his defense personally and making the mistake of townreading him for it as well
Fenrir's trust of YS seems unfounded, and I can't help but wonder how much of that I had to do with
Fenrir TRs me too much
ODM is doing something
Spieky is
Cseel rubs me the wrong way
And I'm going to stop my reads from there because they are clearly being biased by my current emotional state. Hem, haw.
This just rubs me the wrong way. It's weird that you're asking someone "How much should I townread you?", I don't know how to explain it, but it just rubs me the wrong way, and I don't see this coming from town!Fenrir, as scum Fenrir tends to ask more questions about his play, how to improve it, etc. 2nd underline: Why do you base it on that? You said you also read based on interactions too. 3rd: just agree with this.
Minor thing I forgot about earlier when I went to post about Spieky and why I think he's more likely to be SK, but the singular nightkill implies that the SK was successfully blocked, and given that Spiderz randblocked n1 and for the most part followed consensus later on, I could see him going with Spieky after reading the EoD discussion about him. This closes the length of the ">" between him and cseel/ODM albeit not by much due to other possibilities (such as both scum targeting Spiderz).
Nov 25, 2017 21:53:32 GMT @howdoitagyou said:
Saw after typing this that ODM "explained". I'm not a fan of the "he's hindering town" argument obviously-there's ~40 pages, you should have some reads of some sort. Actually, you do apparently (on me), so why didn't you follow/pursue those as opposed to going for the most popular wagon?
List of players:
Yellow$¢$Skarmory
Fenrir
cseel
VigilanteVigoroth
ScorrchingTheaph
Bomb Moss
Javelinlover
Citrus Freak
ayia
Spieky
ODM
Fenrir
cseel
VigilanteVigoroth
ScorrchingTheaph
Bomb Moss
Javelinlover
Citrus Freak
ayia
Spieky
ODM
Based on interactions, we can almost certainly remove YS as a partner unless there's some hardcore bussing/distancing going on. The same can be said for ODM, since every time someone asks why cseel "hammered" her response is to
I requested people's reads on cseel to further narrow down the pool of potential partners. Cseel has been a fairly consistent weak scumlean/FoS for Scorrching, who I'll leave on the shortlist since that's a semi-common distancing tactic (Emmy still did nothing wrong Emmy did everything wrong.). Xnad has nothing about anyone who isn't epic. Jav I'm fairly sure is town, although based on interactions alone I can see them as a scumteam considering that once cseel says "ODM hammered not me" Jav doesn't seem concerned with the fact that cseel still placed a "hammering" vote. At the same time I don't see Jav opening the day with a long (rainbowy) wallpost calling out cseel like that, so I feel comfortable removing them from the list. Citrus has next to nothing regarding cseel so I'm leaving him on, though he's the least likely. The ayia slot doesn't actually exist. Spieky's few posts list cseel as a scumlean but do nothing to actually pursue that line of thought; there's no lynch of questioning and the read itself is based on a singular post where cseel switched her vote. Which leaves a list of five:
ScorrchingTheaph
Bomb Moss
Citrus Freak
Ayia
Spieky
With Scorrching and Citrus as less likely partners than the other three.
So ultimately I still think a
Why did I hammer early.
1-I had no idea when deadline was
2-I was not going to be able to come on later and I wanted to make sure that epic was hammered and that there wouldn't be a last minute shift (see: bored evading 3 lynches in a row when he was obvious scum)
3-I'm sorry I robbed us of precious quality discussion time. It was not my intention. Now can we please forget this subject and focus on stuff that matters?
4-Fenrir, you want my reads? I think cseel is the scummiest right now, with jav and ys being the towniest. I'm still leaning scum on you, town on theaph. Rest I have no opinions on, mostly because they haven't been participating. I'd be glad to explain in depth if anyone wants me to, just please stop making the fact that I hammered early so scummy.
3) Shifting attention lol
I'm not really liking Jav's reaction. Why scum read someone for hammering someone pretty much everyone thought was scum? Also, why accuse cseel of fillering when it was extremely obvious that they were just shitposting? That's just pointing out the obvious, and honestly I don't think it's a valid reason to scum read. Jav questions ODM about the hammer yet actively denies scumreading ODM. Something just doesn't add up for me.
The fact that cseel has been tunneling YS makes me townread them. So because I'm tunneling YS, you townread YS? Why? I don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch for 4 days in a row. Then are you calling me town? And if so why would me tunneling YS make you townread him? I don't like how they are deflecting all accusations of hammering to ODM, This shouldn't matter too much to you as you think hammering wasn't a big deal. when cseel herself still lynched EC after hammer under the assumption that she was hammering. THANKS FOR BEING A FENRIR AND IGNORING MY EXPLANATION.
I reread the most recent posts from YS's iso and I'm starting to question my early townread on them. It seems like YS is trying overly hard to act townie by justifying his posts over and over, but never giving any strong opinions. On the other hand, he's done pro-town things too, such as suggesting hypo and attempting to gamesolve by looking at possible role combinations. Looking back on his readlist, I take issue with some of the things he has said, now that there have been a few flips. A lot of his readlist was simply asking for more activity, which I take as NAI. I don't understand why YS was scumreading FTF, especially when he even mentioned specifically that Flush got on Toni and shifted. YS doesn't explain why he was reading FTF as having bussed Toni. The read on Spiderz smells really fishy to me, considering that Spiderz flipped as Town PR. The Day 2 wagon felt like scum trying to push a mislynch on Town PR to me, and I'm starting to suspect YS for it. A lot of YS's explanation is just a summary of what happened involving Spiderz, and he doesn't really explain why he reads Spiderz as "null-scum." YS also says that he "somewhat believes" Spiderz's claim, but doesn't back up why. Finally, YS says he'd be ok with a Spiderz lynch, but then says, "i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway." This line doesn't really make sense to me, because how do you scum read someone and also believe that they are town PR at the same time?
Context:
Spiderz - Null-scum. Jumps on Toni when he arrives, putting a 6th lynch on them, claims that Toni is "conf SK", then randomly gets off and onto vigvig with "Reasons that will be bad for town if he says them", then he says he doesnt want to claim but might have to "to save town from being stupid", then when VigVig claims mason he gets on EC and says he autolynches vigvig if anyone ccs mason, asks for Toni's PR after translating zor's posts, then claims town white bishop (i somewhat believe) and also says that citrus is scum because no kill, then gets off after a bit of being pointed out that some other way could've stopped kill, then says "if you mean by outing myself outing myself as scum i never did that" is a somewhat scummy line (i can see where slip came from that), then pushes zor. He's new, but this is really interesting slot right now. I'd be ok i guess with a lynch on spiderz though i'd prefer not to lose a town PR, but if he is town roleblocker/maf roleblocker then that helps with the other 2 prs anyway.
The fact that cseel has been tunneling YS makes me townread them. I don't see scum pushing a single player for a lynch for 4 days in a row. I don't like how they are deflecting all accusations of hammering to ODM, when cseel herself still lynched EC after hammer under the assumption that she was hammering.
I'm gonna tag Fenrir and ScorrchingTheaph this time so they don't miss my post + I would like them to read my post with close detail.
