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Post by Fenrir on Nov 11, 2017 22:35:53 GMT
On an actual computer now and going through everything again. I'm seeing that YS voted Rad and not Zor (gj me), but the point with regards to that vote being random imo stands still.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 11, 2017 22:36:34 GMT
Reading up for a more detailed report. Also, I know I'm a hypocrite after that, but please stop making life miserable for YellowSarkmory. I honestly don't think he's done anything bad. |
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Post by Spieky on Nov 11, 2017 22:44:40 GMT
fuck you citrus
lynch citrus freak
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 22:46:01 GMT
@toni yellowskarm slipped, vote now , I mean. You're online, vote I'm pretty sre I'm on him already The reaction test was to see if people online at the time, particularly Crespo and VigilanteVigoroth would think that my calling out "black pawn!" was or was not a legitimate reason to vote Skarmory. The efficacy of the reaction test relies on my presumption that Skarmory is town. If Skarmory is vanilla town, and his flavor claim is vanilla town, then other vanilla townies also likely have his same flavor. A vanilla town looking at the flavor claim and seeing he claimed their exact same role and flavor would look at me like I'm crazy. However, if someone nods their head and goes along with what I say, accepting there was a slip relating to flavor when there was none, it means their flavor does not coincide with skarmory's. Given that Toni's flavor is confirmed not vanilla town, and his previously lackluster play, what're the chances he's scum? |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 11, 2017 22:46:14 GMT
Is that an RVS? Seems like a good hatevote. All the ways, Before anyone does a vote for RVS, since small discussion has been ignited, I want you to place your opinions on Skarmory. They certainly don't have the ideal play, do they? This includes epiccreeper, Prodigu and everyone else. The only thing I 100% fid scummy about yellow is that he has edited like 3 posts Explain why the editing is scummy. It's more likely he's a new player who wasn't aware of the rule against editing. Unlynch RADicate, Lynch ToniAt this point i'm just trying to stay alive, and Toni has been filler (pointed out already). This may come off scummy, but i'm somewhat in "Try to stay alive at all costs" mode already. Also, i think i know the reasoning for your lynch on me, but it seems kind of random, almost scummy. Is YS scummy? Possibly. Is it for the reasons anyone at all has mentioned? No. It's because of the self-conscious comments like "This may come off as scummy" and even those aren't in this case scum-indicative since YS has been established already as a very nervous player. gonna go ahead a subject myself to the mob and question why black pawn means scum It doesn't. In fact, I'm also a black pawn. So people scum-read you because you do scummy things. Then you try to get them off of you by acting scummy. More people scum-read you and now you act even scummier. Like at this point this is fucking pathetic. Now let's talk about your whole self preserve at any costs thing. You've been shifting to any open wagon, indicating that you don't actually have any reads, which is also very annoying. It looks from the start that you never had any clue what you're doing and now you're a deer in the headlights. For me it always ends with the deer getting run over btw. Yet another case of people going for the new player/low-hanging fruit. Would it kill you people to let up? Now that that initial "skim's" finished I can go into more detail with what really stands out to me. |
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 11, 2017 22:50:33 GMT
Have either of Spiderz or FFFF posted?
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 11, 2017 22:50:48 GMT
So people scum-read you because you do scummy things. Then you try to get them off of you by acting scummy. More people scum-read you and now you act even scummier. Like at this point this is fucking pathetic. Now let's talk about your whole self preserve at any costs thing. You've been shifting to any open wagon, indicating that you don't actually have any reads, which is also very annoying. It looks from the start that you never had any clue what you're doing and now you're a deer in the headlights. For me it always ends with the deer getting run over btw. Yet another case of people going for the new player/low-hanging fruit. Would it kill you people to let up? Now that that initial "skim's" finished I can go into more detail with what really stands out to me.
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 11, 2017 23:01:13 GMT
Yet another case of people going for the new player/low-hanging fruit. Would it kill you people to let up? Now that that initial "skim's" finished I can go into more detail with what really stands out to me.
Still reading things but saw this pop up. I've written out my thoughts on both your Yellow/Toni votes already, but the thing you quoted refers specifically to what you said in the post I quoted, not the vote. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 11, 2017 23:16:16 GMT
ForgotToFlush- Scumlean. I don't like his initial vote on Toni. He doesn't give any commentary on it besides "disgusting" and there's no follow up on it-no explanation or questioning, before he shifts to YS. Comments that YS doesn't look like he knows what he's doing but doesn't seem to consider the possibility of YS being town who doesn't know what he's doing. Both of these votes look like he's just going with whatever lynch he thinks he can successfully push. Toni- Scumlean. Commented on him above, he has a lot of filler and the fake effort involved in translating Zor's post irks me. His reaction to Citrus also feels off (It almost feels like he suddenly switched to defending YS while still wanting that lynch to go through.) Yellow$¢$Skarmory- Light townlean. Most of the reasons people are scumreading him are better explained by his being a nervous new player. The frequent posting in this case, if anything, is a sign of him being more likely to be town (in my experience newer players generally lurk as scum for fear of appearing scummy or slipping). At the very least he's horribly low-hanging fruit, there's scum on his wagon, and he shouldn't be the D1 lynch. Fenrir- Bit off a god's hand? GETTEM!VigilanteVigoroth-Scumlean. Described this pretty well above, he seems content tunneling the low-hanging fruit then did a 180 and similar thing to Toni with "where is the scumslip?" Champ∞1604- Light townlean. I like where they were going with his posing questions to YS and Epic, but they haven't posted since and any way they progress with that line of questioning is likely to be influenced by the reads others have. Champ1604's own reads would be helpful when they see this.
Citrus Freak-
Townlean. Let's approach the reaction test as if Citrus is scum. He thus knows YS is town (or can at least be reasonably sure, since this is a multiball theme) and assumes that other townies have a similar flavor role to YS. In that case, it makes no sense for him to call out YS on claiming it because, if YS is a VT, he's potentially calling down the wrath of all other VTs in the game. Shortly put, he took a risk that offers little reward if he's scum and he also backed up the claim that it was a reaction test by indicating which reactions he noticed. Removed the names of players with imo too little to form a read on. Based on all of that, I remain of the opinion that the lynch today should be Toni or Vigvig. Toni was, until recently, filler for the most part, which isn't damning evidence and I'd prefer to wait to see more from them in comparison to Vigvig. Unvote: Zorquax
Vote: VigilanteVigoroth
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 11, 2017 23:19:19 GMT
I have to go now, but I should still have my phone on me and be able to check in later.
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 11, 2017 23:33:33 GMT
Unvote Citrus Freak
What Fenrir said about Citrus made me change my mind. Not sure who i'll be on next, but Toni and VigVig look scummy to me.
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Post by OM~! on Nov 11, 2017 23:52:53 GMT
no deleting
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:19:26 GMT
I agree with Fenrir’s readslist 100%, which is potentially very dangerous. Though I am adamant that, especially after the reaction test, Toni is probably scum. I have to say Vig’s null, though; if I’m not mistaken, his meta includes astonishingly strong early game pushes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:20:41 GMT
Either way I’d prefer Toni over Vig. YS and Fenrir are my TRs.
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 12, 2017 0:24:51 GMT
I'm fine with pretty much any lynch that isn't me. Looks like it's between Toni and VigVig for me, citrus and fenrir. Gonna place my vote on Toni for now.
If you couldn't tell, i'm voting Toni.
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Post by OM~! on Nov 12, 2017 0:25:40 GMT
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 12, 2017 0:32:42 GMT
Unvote Yellow SkarmoryThat was a reaction test! Wa-hoo! Vote Toni, who did not react *at all* when yellow skarmory "slipped" by saying black pawn. Which means Toni's role is not black pawn, which means... seems like scum trying to fix a mistake they made to me tbh NO This seems like a pathetic OMGUS except without lynching so it doesn’t seem like Omgus |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 12, 2017 0:36:20 GMT
The problem is, Fenrir, when nobody is doing anything but filler, I don’t have anything to comment on. Toni’s weird OMGUS post is frustrating me, plus the Fillery weirdness beforehand, so
unvote, lynch Toni
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 12, 2017 0:48:18 GMT
I voted Toni btw, so it should've been 3 on toni.
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 12, 2017 0:52:50 GMT
Also, i have a bad feeling about Citrus Freak. Snce they seemed to be the only one to jump on the "black pawn = mafia", maybe they're mafia? Or SK? I'm making too many posts, but this is where my lynch is going right now: Lynch Citrus FreakYellow Skarmory, Welcome to forum games! I know I'm slightly late and this probably isn't the most pleasing start for a forum game, but remember that forums are different than real-time. Here, each and every word you say is read carefully and every word can misinterpreted to favour one. And that's exactly what the town hunts for - people purposely misinterpreting words to get lynches. And that's exactly what you're doing. Why are you just lynching the people who scumread you, instead of finding scum? This is not gamesolving ; something which the scum members are doomed to do. Why would you go against gamesolving? We need you to lynch your reads ; not those who lynch you. If you're going to play like this then you're better off lynched. I, however, do not scumread you, because I really don't see you going this defending as scum. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:54:05 GMT
The problem is, Fenrir, when nobody is doing anything but filler, I don’t have anything to comment on. Toni’s weird OMGUS post is frustrating me, plus the Fillery weirdness beforehand, so unvote, lynch Toni I notice you neglected to explain why you were unvoting YellowSkarmory. Literally your first post of the game, on page two, was voting him, following Bomb Moss 's logic. You've been sticking fast to that vote ever since. Just three hours ago you were condescendingly saying: First off - that wasn't a plurshift, and second off - i stay panicky in all games i play when i'm about to be lynched. And i don't really have a way to confirm myself as town (even though i am). I think the 2 random lynches to start off set off my "panic" mode and i just am trying to stay alive, though i probably will end up being lynched. DL in 2 days for some reason makes it feel "too" short, i don't know why. Anyway, i am a black pawn (which for some reason is town, it seems more like black would fit mafia, also isn't there 8 pawns and 9 townies? whatever. This is filler text that will not make me look good.) Dont name scummy things you are doing these all trigger me and so im staying on you ok how about this yellow instead of randomly lynching people with decent wagons Who do you think is scum currently? I'm sorry; what changed, exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:55:31 GMT
Your opinion on YS was too strong to justify changing your vote based on Toni's "fillery wierdness".
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 12, 2017 0:56:43 GMT
Unvote Yellow SkarmoryThat was a reaction test! Wa-hoo! Vote Toni, who did not react *at all* when yellow skarmory "slipped" by saying black pawn. Which means Toni's role is not black pawn, which means... which means that it could be a white pawn, or a PR. Besides, I do for once think that the reaction test was too overboard ; you saw for yourself - you literally shook all the players. But at a contrary, this is something which makes me TR you. I haven't really seen your games ; so by an anon read, you seem town because you're trying many, like reckless ways to gamesolve. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 12, 2017 3:30:40 GMT
Fenrir
Toni's posts:1:Reiteration+Filler
2:Filler
3:see 2
4:see 3
5:Bland discussion
6:see 4
7:see 6
8:see 7
9: Randvote
10:see 8
11:see 10
12: Shifting to yellow skarm, not much of an explanation but IMO none required
13: Bland read
14:see 11
15: Typo correction
16: Questioning Citrus
17:Reiteration/Mind melding
18:see 16
19:Questioning Yellow Skarm, no clear goal observed from the line of questioning
20:see 19
21:idk
22:Omgus
Ordinarily this may seem pretty common for the game BUT there's an underlying tone of doublethink that's gnawing at me. It looks like Toni is trying to please whoever is looking at him at any given moment and has no interests in consistency of principles, indicating shiftiness, signifying scum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 4:40:57 GMT
Toni is so obviously scum, they must be a town power role.
I'll be gone for all of tomorrow. Don't move or blink.
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