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Post by ayia on May 29, 2018 14:51:42 GMT
Can I get a reason for your reads on b3362, amauraman, mechamew2, and I Literally stated about u and mecha in the post you quoted. b# feels sorta town bc of the amount of people pushing him. He feels scum bc he retracted a fake claim. Amaura man isn#t pushing as hard as you two and has been more productive than both of you. ah so you scumread me and Mecha because omgus townread b# because hes scummy townread amaura because wait how is he being more productive than me and mecha again? we're actually formulating reads and following through with them |
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 14:55:18 GMT
Isn't this role scum? I believe it is scum, as it achieves it's win condition separately from us (clearly specified wincon which involves harming towns PRs, does not win with town). **Lynch b3362** It could be a fakeclaim, but he is fakeclaiming a scum role. At the very least, then, he is anti-town. The only caveat to what I'm saying that I can think of is that he might want to be lynched, which I'll watch out for. Also, HappyLappy's last two comments with a lot of obvious questions seen really filler-y. They appear to be forced, almost like they are trying to act like they're contributing. In addition, their question about what MechaMew2 thinks about the theme so far seems like a thinly veiled attempt to see if he could be a PR or not Finally, as was already said, Toni's statement about a massclaim doesn't make much sense. Not sure why he would even mention it Let’s point out the obvious here, I didn’t claim scum. Scum is a threat to the Town wincon. As said Darthclaim is in no way a threat to the Town wincon, it therefore cannot be scum. As you say, "Scum is a threat to the Town wincon". Your claimed role also threatens our wincon. In fact, the town wincon is generally to eliminate all scum. Your wincon is not that, so you can't be town. That's why roles like survivor, even though they can win with town, are considered scum; their wincon is different. Now, if you were fakeclaiming, like you said, why do so? Don't give a BS reason like 'I always play this way', explain why your fakeclaim made sense. If it didn't, apologize and move on, and preferably don't make the mistake again. Also, you say that messing with town D1 and not helping until later is just the way you play. I don't think that's good logic to defend your claim, nor is it a good playstyle. Don't use a logical fallacy of 'thats just the way I am' as a crutch, but work to improve instead. Finally, I've looked up the term darthclaim and can't find it anywhere. Could you point me to a previous usage of the term in a different game (not by you)? You make it seem like it is a common/established term, and I don't think that is the case. Staying on b3362 for now, but also am being conscious of how quickly the lynch count built on him |
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 15:01:40 GMT
Hello, its me, Daryl Sayara. So firstly, ill say that massclaiming is just bad d1 so don't. Secondly, b3362 started an actual discussion on d1 and put spotlight on him, while also being a bait to the scum shots. So, b3362 is just bad town imo. Because if you put light on yourself, youre more likely to panic or scumslip or be lynched d1. Bad town. Good point Mechamew2. I was just trying to get some type of conversation, any conversation, to happen. I dont like how you say first that you wanted to start a conversation, and when a conversation actually began, you dont gibe your insight on it. So yeah Lynch happylappy because it just seems like you want to filler and talk about the THEME rather than the PEOPLE, just in case the people you press hard will flip town, suspicion would be on you. You claim b3362 started a discussion, but that wasn't intentional; his goal was to troll, as he said. No need to give him towncred for that. Regardless, you say b3362 "started an actual discussion" and also is baiting scum shots, two seemingly good things for town. Then in the very next line, you call him bad town. I don't understand this - you defended his actions as being useful then call him bad town? Please explain |
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 15:04:26 GMT
Really don't think DrBlode is town. And I don't think what he can do will help us much either I agree, but you really haven't contributed much aside from this. What are your thoughts on HappyLappy's filler? Also, there seems to be conflict between Toni, MechaMew2 and Ayia - do you side with anyone there, and why? I'm curious to get your thoughts on these specific instances to pick up on possible scumteams/to see your interactions |
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Post by ayia on May 29, 2018 15:07:17 GMT
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 15:08:12 GMT
Unlynch Daisocks Lynch B3362 Why do you want to lynch b3362? In the post you made above this one you said he methodically lynched the first player, which doesn't make sense. I'd argue it was a random reason for an RVS. Regardless, what is your reason for this lynch? Don't just BW and expect us to be ok |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 15:26:19 GMT
Literally stated about u and mecha in the post you quoted. b# feels sorta town bc of the amount of people pushing him. He feels scum bc he retracted a fake claim. Amaura man isn#t pushing as hard as you two and has been more productive than both of you. ah so you scumread me and Mecha because omgus townread b# because hes scummy townread amaura because wait how is he being more productive than me and mecha again? we're actually formulating reads and following through with themBy this you mean pushing b(numbers) I imagine. |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 15:26:45 GMT
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Post by Schrodinger on May 29, 2018 15:27:09 GMT
I mean that b3362's efforts were great, but hes still bad town for executing his plan that way and saying that disrupting town is his routine. Bad town means town who plays and feels to other players as scum. Also, what are your reads? I feel like youve just been pointing people's faults and reads but havent given any of yours
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 15:29:59 GMT
Sure, see below. Toni XY - Asked for massclaim, got slightly pushed for it, was a little defensive, and eventually started focusing on MechaMew2 and ayia. He also seems to not be disturbed by b3362's 'fakeclaim'. That's an interaction to watch. Very slight scumlean arkhamstormer - Only posts are about why b3362 played badly, and he lynches him for it. Not enough information, would like to see more daisocks - No clue, haven't seen enough happylappy - Was somewhat fillery at beginning. Made one or two posts after that that had more content. But, he never did acknowledge the fact that people accused him of filler. Slight scumlean amauraman - That's me, I'm town The Salon Maiden - very annoying that they haven't posted. I read through the classic forum qualifier where he was scum, and he did a similar thing where he lurked half of D1, then didn't want to read anything because it was already too long. He was scum this game, eventually messed up a last min plurshift because of dl but they won anyways. When you wake up, please read through the entire day, don't ask for us to summarize it for you; you'll get a biased account of what happened and won't make as good reads. motogp - When you wake up, please read through the entire day, don't ask for us to summarize it for you; you'll get a biased account of what happened and won't make as good reads. Dark Matter Zero - When you wake up, please read through the entire day, don't ask for us to summarize it for you; you'll get a biased account of what happened and won't make as good reads. Arsenal - I pointed out above he only has one small contribution, which was to lynch b3362. Not enough information, but slight townlean, which is more because he agrees with me on b3362 than anything sceptorus - Attacked HappyLappy for BW on b3362 and ignoring other people's attacks for filler. He was the first to point this out, and I seconded it. Townlean ayia - He had an argument with MechaMew2 at the beginning of day, which seems to have dissipated. Stated he was sus of MechaMew2 but didn't really follow through, which is interesting. Also seems somewhat against Toni as of now. Slight scum lean b3362 - He claimed a role that doesn't share towns wincon. He is either scum or hard antitown MechaMew2 - Has made contributions in my opinion, has not been afraid to engage in arguments with other players. Townlean Assemblymember.Chiu - Lynched HappyLappy and didn't do anything else. Not enough info |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 15:30:52 GMT
Seems like we've got a lot of people here which I like. What's your guys' thoughts on people who haven't posted (ie. qtball) or people who have posted like 2 times. |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 15:36:14 GMT
tfw ayia leaves as soon as I ask for a read list from him -_-
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Post by ayia on May 29, 2018 19:46:38 GMT
Aiya, im being as active as i can, but my timezone is unfair and i cant not sleep. Im reading though, and i wilp discuss if any eiscussion is stirred up. Also, happylappy is still avoinding the elephant in the room, even when i lynched them for it, which is annoying. Maybe i didnt tag them so they didnt notice. That's fair. Townread for responding to pressure well, even if pressure is small ah so you scumread me and Mecha because omgus townread b# because hes scummy townread amaura because wait how is he being more productive than me and mecha again? we're actually formulating reads and following through with themBy this you mean pushing b(numbers) I imagine. Naturally, that is how someone goes about following through with reads. I've given a number of reasons as to why I think b# is scum Alright here goes Toni XY Read: Scum Reason: Ignores (or even defends) b#'s anti-town nature, stating things like "it's not like you're any better" or simply scumreading people for pushing other people ArkhamStormer Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on him Daisocks Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on him HappyLappy Read: Slightest Scumread Reason: As people have stated prior, they're making very shallow or meaningless comments (maybe to feign activity), not really contributing to the game in any real way. This could be town or scum, but im leaning towards scum, again, trying to feign activity. amauraman Read: Moderate Townread Reason: Everything they've done (except one thing) has made me townread them. They're consistently providing reason and analyzing other's posts, which is more than most of the town right now. More on that one thing below. The Salon Maiden Read: Null Reason: where you at bro The Salon Maiden Read: Null Reason: where you at bro Dark Matter Zero Read: Null Reason: where you at bro Arsenal Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on him sceptorus Read: Townlean Reason: Explained above Ayia Read: Scum Town Reason: I know what I am b3362 Read: Scum Reason: I don't need think I need to explain this, but whatever. He claimed to be a scum role, this turned out to be a fakeclaim. He claims he's doing this to "cause chaos in town" which is (no explanation needed) very antitown. Also, I think it was amaura that said that he created a term that isn't real to justify his claim. MechaMew2 Read: Scumlean Reason: Only thing is that he somehow knew about b#'s other claim, which is quite susp given circumstances. Assemblymember.Chiu Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on them. I'll be back with the TBD's later, but I've spent a while writing this so I'm gonna take a break Sure, see below. Toni XY - Asked for massclaim, got slightly pushed for it, was a little defensive, and eventually started focusing on MechaMew2 and ayia. He also seems to not be disturbed by b3362's 'fakeclaim'. That's an interaction to watch. Very slight scumlean arkhamstormer - Only posts are about why b3362 played badly, and he lynches him for it. Not enough information, would like to see more daisocks - No clue, haven't seen enough happylappy - Was somewhat fillery at beginning. Made one or two posts after that that had more content. But, he never did acknowledge the fact that people accused him of filler. Slight scumlean amauraman - That's me, I'm town The Salon Maiden - very annoying that they haven't posted. I read through the classic forum qualifier where he was scum, and he did a similar thing where he lurked half of D1, then didn't want to read anything because it was already too long. He was scum this game, eventually messed up a last min plurshift because of dl but they won anyways. When you wake up, please read through the entire day, don't ask for us to summarize it for you; you'll get a biased account of what happened and won't make as good reads. motogp - When you wake up, please read through the entire day, don't ask for us to summarize it for you; you'll get a biased account of what happened and won't make as good reads. Dark Matter Zero - When you wake up, please read through the entire day, don't ask for us to summarize it for you; you'll get a biased account of what happened and won't make as good reads. Arsenal - I pointed out above he only has one small contribution, which was to lynch b3362. Not enough information, but slight townlean, which is more because he agrees with me on b3362 than anything sceptorus - Attacked HappyLappy for BW on b3362 and ignoring other people's attacks for filler. He was the first to point this out, and I seconded it. Townlean ayia - He had an argument with MechaMew2 at the beginning of day, which seems to have dissipated. Stated he was sus of MechaMew2 but didn't really follow through, which is interesting. Also seems somewhat against Toni as of now. Slight scum lean b3362 - He claimed a role that doesn't share towns wincon. He is either scum or hard antitown MechaMew2 - Has made contributions in my opinion, has not been afraid to engage in arguments with other players. Townlean Assemblymember.Chiu - Lynched HappyLappy and didn't do anything else. Not enough info Addressing the read on me, I stated this prior, but while I found Mecha susp, his scumminess is far out-shadowed by Toni and b# for me. Also, that "one thing" that wasn't completely towny for me is your lack of strong scumreads. All of your scumreads have been "slight" or something. It's small, I know (hence amaura still being a townread), but it can be interpreted as scum trying to be passive / not start arguments. Other than that, as I stated before, your reads make sense and you're doing very good analysis to form said reads so you're very high on my townradar. |
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 20:20:04 GMT
Seems like we've got a lot of people here which I like. What's your guys' thoughts on people who haven't posted (ie. qtball) or people who have posted like 2 times. Can't really form a read on any of them. Also motogp Bomb Moss are lurking. Would be great to have the subbed out. I also think we're starting to hear similar arguments echoed by multiple people, all on the same topics. Would be great to get fresh takes so we have more to work off of As an administrative note, what are the rules on lurkers? |
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 20:23:54 GMT
ayia 's reads seem fine, very similar to mine. Not necessarily faulting him for it just yet, but I don't feel a lot of substance has been added from them. I guess it was in response to another question so that's fine. To address the 'slight' point, I'm just trying to keep my reads honest; don't want to exaggerate anything until I'm more sure
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 20:26:44 GMT
Reads right now: Toni XY - obv town arkhamstormer - ?? daisocks - town lean happylappy - town amauraman - town lean The Salon Maiden - hasn't even posted motogp - same with tballz Dark Matter Zero - null Arsenal - null sceptorus - null ayia - scum b3362 - sort of town but sort of scum MechaMew2 - scum lean Assemblymember.Chiu - null Just realized I never commented on this. Crespo , do you still have the same read on b3362? I saw your reasoning before, wondering if anything has changed Also, why is HappyLappy town? Don't know what they've done to merit that, but would like your input |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 29, 2018 20:28:13 GMT
(I'll start actually prodding people when I'm less busy - sorry for lackluster hosting so far, been probably the busiest / most stressful days in a long time,
may still be busy tomorrow, but after that I will be free.)
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 20:29:33 GMT
Aiya, im being as active as i can, but my timezone is unfair and i cant not sleep. Im reading though, and i wilp discuss if any eiscussion is stirred up. Also, happylappy is still avoinding the elephant in the room, even when i lynched them for it, which is annoying. Maybe i didnt tag them so they didnt notice. That's fair. Townread for responding to pressure well, even if pressure is small By this you mean pushing b(numbers) I imagine. Naturally, that is how someone goes about following through with reads. I've given a number of reasons as to why I think b# is scum Alright here goes Toni XY Read: Scum Reason: Ignores (or even defends) b#'s anti-town nature, stating things like "it's not like you're any better" or simply scumreading people for pushing other people ArkhamStormer Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on him Daisocks Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on him HappyLappy Read: Slightest Scumread Reason: As people have stated prior, they're making very shallow or meaningless comments (maybe to feign activity), not really contributing to the game in any real way. This could be town or scum, but im leaning towards scum, again, trying to feign activity. amauraman Read: Moderate Townread Reason: Everything they've done (except one thing) has made me townread them. They're consistently providing reason and analyzing other's posts, which is more than most of the town right now. More on that one thing below. The Salon Maiden Read: Null Reason: where you at bro The Salon Maiden Read: Null Reason: where you at bro Dark Matter Zero Read: Null Reason: where you at bro Arsenal Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on him sceptorus Read: Townlean Reason: Explained above Ayia Read: Scum Town Reason: I know what I am b3362 Read: Scum Reason: I don't need think I need to explain this, but whatever. He claimed to be a scum role, this turned out to be a fakeclaim. He claims he's doing this to "cause chaos in town" which is (no explanation needed) very antitown. Also, I think it was amaura that said that he created a term that isn't real to justify his claim. MechaMew2 Read: Scumlean Reason: Only thing is that he somehow knew about b#'s other claim, which is quite susp given circumstances. Assemblymember.Chiu Read: TBD Reason: Need to read up on them. Basically everything on your readslist has been said by either me or AmauraAddressing the read on me, I stated this prior, but while I found Mecha susp, his scumminess is far out-shadowed by Toni and b# for me. You sr me for having my own reads in this game? |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 20:31:11 GMT
aaaa fuck I messed up formatting. not quoting amauraman. Quoting ayia on that last part. |
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Post by happylappy on May 29, 2018 20:43:39 GMT
Aiya, im being as active as i can, but my timezone is unfair and i cant not sleep. Im reading though, and i wilp discuss if any eiscussion is stirred up. Also, happylappy is still avoinding the elephant in the room, even when i lynched them for it, which is annoying. Maybe i didnt tag them so they didnt notice. happylappyYeah, I didn’t see this. I’m used to playing short, 30 minute games, and I kind of feel the need to check in on this game every few minutes. My explanation for my Lynch on b3362 is that they were fakeclaiming scum/third party. I find it hard to believe Town would intentionally claim something they clearly aren’t. |
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Post by amauraman on May 29, 2018 20:49:31 GMT
Reads right now: Toni XY - obv town arkhamstormer - ?? daisocks - town lean happylappy - town amauraman - town lean The Salon Maiden - hasn't even posted motogp - same with tballz Dark Matter Zero - null Arsenal - null sceptorus - null ayia - scum b3362 - sort of town but sort of scum MechaMew2 - scum lean Assemblymember.Chiu - null Just realized I never commented on this. Crespo , do you still have the same read on b3362? I saw your reasoning before, wondering if anything has changed Also, why is HappyLappy town? Don't know what they've done to merit that, but would like your input Sorry to re-hl you Crespo but I saw you were online/posted here, and didn't address this question. No worries if you missed it, just want to hear your explanation of the two reads. Or if they have changed that's cool too, just what they are now/brief reasons would be great |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 20:52:19 GMT
Just realized I never commented on this. Crespo , do you still have the same read on b3362? I saw your reasoning before, wondering if anything has changed Also, why is HappyLappy town? Don't know what they've done to merit that, but would like your input Sorry to re-hl you Crespo but I saw you were online/posted here, and didn't address this question. No worries if you missed it, just want to hear your explanation of the two reads. Or if they have changed that's cool too, just what they are now/brief reasons would be great Omg sorry I didn't see this!! My reads on b(numbers) still stay the same. I find HappyLappy town bc he is a lot more aggresive as scum. |
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Post by ayia on May 29, 2018 22:06:58 GMT
Basically everything on your readslist has been said by either me or Amaura so? |
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Post by Crespo on May 29, 2018 22:13:36 GMT
half of your reasoning is "idk". Nearly everyone here has posted. Try to make some reads on them from the 2 posts they have made at least  |
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Post by ayia on May 29, 2018 22:16:43 GMT
Smh I said I took a break because it took a while, did you even read that part? Anyway, I was working on compiling the TBDs before you sent that
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