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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 12, 2018 9:10:28 GMT
Gonna vanity phone post to respond to FtF My PoE is an early game buncha reads, just me throwing out a couple of opinions around. The only strong reads I have and will follow through is OM SCUM and TBZ SCUM. Yeah we get more interactions and stuff by maybe not hammering before people actually speak? You're not getting my point, I'm trying to say that we should let situations more naturally rather than shut down anything non-TBZ related. We're obviously not going to plurshift off then last minute anyways hopefully...Posting more later Situations happen more naturally* EBWOP |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 12, 2018 10:03:11 GMT
I strongly disagree with this post, although I don't really scumread champ for it, since it might just be a difference of perspectives. My current read on Champ is null. I don't think og villain's initial point in response to Ayia holds any water. "it'll take me a while to get into forum maf mode lmao" is clearly not an entirely serious post; note the lmao and the self-deprecating humour since he was responding to ForgotToFlush calling him trash. It's not meant as an out to play poorly and I really don't see how it is not a joke. Whether or not you think it is funny is a different story, but how are you supposed to take a statement followed with "lmao" at face value? I also disagree with how you say og villain made a "slight assumption." To quote, "so, I'm thinking that dasocks is probably chosen and Ayia sees a quick and easy way to get rid of him, jumping @ the chance." First off, assuming that daisocks is chosen is already very unlikely (you can do the maths yourself since I am lazy), and then he jumps to the conclusion that Ayia is scum for lynching someone who he assumes is chosen. I do agree that ayia comes off as pissed-off in this post, but I feel that it comes from a perspective of town being lynched for flimsy reasoning rather that scum being defensive. Even if it is a joke, it was made for a reason. I'm inclined to read it as an excuse because he proceeds to bandwagon horridly afterwards. I generally read everything at face value because there's always the off-chance they're playing a super annoying deception. (cough scumpartner blocking me for no good reason cough) Secondly: It's a thought route that I entertained. I think the reactions it garnered more than solidified a read on him, least in my opinion. Like, if town is supposed to get offended for being lynched wew I should blow my top more You fucking suck (just a joke btw) (yes I made it for a reason) (Can you find it?) |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 12, 2018 10:06:00 GMT
Daisocks meta tells me he ends up being ass when he isn't being fed answers to the game but I'm not too familiar for now. He's the guy who we just ignore until D2 imo since we get nothing out of lynching them. What's the difference between now and Day 2 though? If we lynch Daisocks now, we get their flip, and lots of potential reads if he flips scum. Seeing that you scumread og villain, look at the soft buddy with Daisocks. This is a discussion worth having. If I'm going to be pushed like this (as town or scum) then I don't see a point in playing quite honestly. Was just so done with he was hypocritical and plain annoying throughout his whole argument. Can't wait to see his response either. I think the best way to see if flush is town or scum is to see how he reacts to my flip tbh Defeatist is no fun. Mostly for townslip reasons. At the very least, I just get townie vibes. Ofc, this is just a townlean; you getting off me and onto OM could be a scummy back-off, very easily so, but for now you seem okay. 1. Pretty much piggybacks my reasoning about Ayia's townslip. 2. "Townie vibes" doesn't mean anything if you can't point to anything concrete. 3. Backs off his read right away, with the "could be scummy" to give himself wiggle room. Anyone "could be" scum, so that statement means nothing. Pretty good insight here. Difference being Day 2 and Day 1 is that we get 3 more irl days to discern his alignment and his lynch would give us more information because lynching Daisocks Day 1 literally puts us in a Day 2 where nothing has changed. TBZ not responding to my point of "TBZ is being pushed the same way he pushes people" hurts my feelings  |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 12, 2018 10:12:04 GMT
Champ ignoring my questions make me sad as well also her play has been underwhelming so far but eh it's better than most people here anyways so I'll excuse that for now. Still would like to know why she TRs TBZ, a clearer elaboration on other slots in the game, and what she plans to do to advance gamestate. Vote SpiderzHoly fuck if OM is scummy then words can't describe this guy. His posts all blow and there's nothing Townie about him. Even OM Room has decided to make an effort to look townie in his recent few posts. This game is mad fucked up, on one hand you have TBZ, OM and Spiderz being scummy as fuck but then not all of them can be scum and all the other weirder slots are confusing and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 12, 2018 10:20:55 GMT
I feel like no one has talked about this but with all the talk flying around regarding people being pissed or people reacting to shit and whatnot is it isn't set in stone which emotions point to which alignments. I think Ayia's frustrations then were Town!frustrations, in that they were Town and feeling like the thread was being oppressed by scum, scum doesn't really get frustrated there given how the pushes were weak to say the least.
I know I last said this when I was scum, but I still stand by that nothing is obvious and you shouldn't expect people to follow you and understand your reads just by you claiming it's obvious and/or being loud about it (aimed to TBZ and OM Room, but applies to everyone.)
MM2 is probably Town here, progressions read naturally, especially with knowledge of his posting style from the previous game (admittedly he wasn't Town but his goals aligned with that of the Town anyways so irrelevant point).
I would follow through with TBZ/OM/Spiderz, and I want more from Champ/Daisocks.
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Post by OM~! on Jul 12, 2018 11:29:09 GMT
Bolded parts I feel like you're just being triggered about and not actually using as a scumread on me. Sorry if you feel like I semi-bashed you, was not the intention but if you want to be annoyed at a lynch, fine: that's your choice. But claiming my reasoning is shitty because you're annoyed at it makes you ignorant, not right.tl:dr No reason to defend from ayia, he's just being offended. more to come one sec I'm still confused on what your reasoning was in the first place. I reread the lynch post to see if I could find any good meaning (I admit that the first time I read it I got too easily offended) and I still can't find anything. The only thing I could find was a response to a joke and claiming an RVS lynch was a push on the Chosen Townie. Both of which, I maintain, are very shitty reasons. If you would like to explain how scrutinizing a joke and saying an RVS is a scumpush are good reasons, I'm all ears. I've explained it a bit when responding to mechamew2, if you'd like more, prod me |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 12, 2018 11:32:49 GMT
Saying that you know who is the choosen townie day 1, is like saying you knew who got corrupted in Modified Execution day 2. og villain, the fact that you double down on this assumption that Daisocks is chosen makes me think that you are scum who has dig their own grave and can no longer back out. You also go on to accuse me of being scum with ayia for defending him, but you do not address my points as to why I think he is town. I'm not sure if I want to shift my lynch as of right now though due to plurality reasons. A votecount would be much appreciated. I didn't double down on the assumption I doubled down on the read for a different reason (aka his reaction) If it came out reading any other way oops sorry but w/e |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 12, 2018 11:35:31 GMT
I feel like no one has talked about this but with all the talk flying around regarding people being pissed or people reacting to shit and whatnot is it isn't set in stone which emotions point to which alignments. I think Ayia's frustrations then were Town!frustrations, in that they were Town and feeling like the thread was being oppressed by scum, scum doesn't really get frustrated there given how the pushes were weak to say the least. I know I last said this when I was scum, but I still stand by that nothing is obvious and you shouldn't expect people to follow you and understand your reads just by you claiming it's obvious and/or being loud about it (aimed to TBZ and OM Room, but applies to everyone.) MM2 is probably Town here, progressions read naturally, especially with knowledge of his posting style from the previous game (admittedly he wasn't Town but his goals aligned with that of the Town anyways so irrelevant point). I would follow through with TBZ/OM/Spiderz, and I want more from Champ/Daisocks. I'm not being loud about it? I just have limited amount of time and have a bunch of stuff to do I've explained this 2. ok hmu when u got ur follow-up |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 12, 2018 11:38:03 GMT
Even if it is a joke, it was made for a reason. I'm inclined to read it as an excuse because he proceeds to bandwagon horridly afterwards. I generally read everything at face value because there's always the off-chance they're playing a super annoying deception. (cough scumpartner blocking me for no good reason cough) Secondly: It's a thought route that I entertained. I think the reactions it garnered more than solidified a read on him, least in my opinion. Like, if town is supposed to get offended for being lynched wew I should blow my top more You fucking suck (just a joke btw) (yes I made it for a reason) (Can you find it?) Because I can play seriously but still achieve secondary goal of pissing people off in mafia games  |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 12, 2018 11:42:22 GMT
Saying that you know who is the choosen townie day 1, is like saying you knew who got corrupted in Modified Execution day 2. og villain, the fact that you double down on this assumption that Daisocks is chosen makes me think that you are scum who has dig their own grave and can no longer back out. You also go on to accuse me of being scum with ayia for defending him, but you do not address my points as to why I think he is town. I'm not sure if I want to shift my lynch as of right now though due to plurality reasons. A votecount would be much appreciated. Sir Sir I did no such accusation I simply said you had to defend ayia HARD to push me and dasocks as your read, which is a logical deduction. it's nai, least from how I looked into it rest of the post is a jab @ xnad ignore it TBZ not responding to my point of "TBZ is being pushed the same way he pushes people" hurts my feelings It's because and I quote ]You fucking suck (just a joke btw) (yes I made it for a reason) (Can you find it?) |
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Post by Champ1604 on Jul 12, 2018 13:42:51 GMT
Just came online for 1.5 minutes to say that I'll definitely post more tomorrow (aka in ~7-8 hours for me), I came back home really late and am seriously tired, just a heads up that you can expect a reply
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 12, 2018 16:33:55 GMT
I'm ready to call Dasocks + Champ as scum This came completely out of blue. Mind if I ask why you would think this? Champ ignoring my questions make me sad as well also her play has been underwhelming so far but eh it's better than most people here anyways so I'll excuse that for now. Still would like to know why she TRs TBZ, a clearer elaboration on other slots in the game, and what she plans to do to advance gamestate. Vote SpiderzHoly fuck if OM is scummy then words can't describe this guy. His posts all blow and there's nothing Townie about him. Even OM Room has decided to make an effort to look townie in his recent few posts.This game is mad fucked up, on one hand you have TBZ, OM and Spiderz being scummy as fuck but then not all of them can be scum and all the other weirder slots are confusing and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa My PoE is an early game buncha reads, just me throwing out a couple of opinions around. The only strong reads I have and will follow through is OM SCUM and TBZ SCUM.The red is what i think is odd. I haven't seen much of why you think Spiderz is very scummy, yet you lynch them over OM, who you say has nothing townie about him. This whole progression irks me [note that these posts are just an hour apart, and Spiderz has said nothing within that hour.] |
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Post by ayia on Jul 12, 2018 17:23:40 GMT
Just quoting this so I have a reference as I write this post. I thought about this for a bit and right now I think it would be best to lynch Tbowl an info lynch. Also @snaquaza you have Tbowl lynching himself? I think thats supposed to be socks Assuming Spiderz and Dasocks are on Tbowl, there are three possibilities with his lynch. a) he's chosen. in that case, dasocks is definitely scum, with spiderz also being a heavy possibility. b) he's normal vt. this is the only case in which dasocks and tbowl would both be vts. in this case i would suggest om and one of champ / spiderz / dasocks still. if he's normal vt, I think that I'm likely chosen. c) he's scum. in this case, i could see om / champ as a partner. In any case, a tbowl lynch will severely lessen the scumpool and gets rid of a neg util Unlynch OMLynch Tballzjust for the record im not done scumreading om |
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Post by ayia on Jul 12, 2018 17:24:41 GMT
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Post by ayia on Jul 12, 2018 17:26:27 GMT
you know rereading recent posts, I'm adding xnad to my scumpool and removing champ
i'll elaborate if needed
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Post by OM~! on Jul 12, 2018 20:09:45 GMT
Just came online for 1.5 minutes to say that I'll definitely post more tomorrow (aka in ~7-8 hours for me), I came back home really late and am seriously tired, just a heads up that you can expect a reply Get some sleep champ |
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Post by Dasocks~ on Jul 12, 2018 20:44:26 GMT
ayia i'm not on tbz actually, lol
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Post by qtball on Jul 13, 2018 0:16:17 GMT
ayia i'm not on tbz actually, lol its for this reason that I scum read you lol. OM Is such obv town if you just read the tone in which he's speaking and Spiderz is blatant bad town so from my eyes scum pool would be Dasocks / Champ / maybe xbad |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 13, 2018 2:54:21 GMT
More vanity phoneposting during school break I'm ready to call Dasocks + Champ as scum This came completely out of blue. Mind if I ask why you would think this? Champ ignoring my questions make me sad as well also her play has been underwhelming so far but eh it's better than most people here anyways so I'll excuse that for now. Still would like to know why she TRs TBZ, a clearer elaboration on other slots in the game, and what she plans to do to advance gamestate. Vote SpiderzHoly fuck if OM is scummy then words can't describe this guy. His posts all blow and there's nothing Townie about him. Even OM Room has decided to make an effort to look townie in his recent few posts.This game is mad fucked up, on one hand you have TBZ, OM and Spiderz being scummy as fuck but then not all of them can be scum and all the other weirder slots are confusing and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa My PoE is an early game buncha reads, just me throwing out a couple of opinions around. The only strong reads I have and will follow through is OM SCUM and TBZ SCUM.The red is what i think is odd. I haven't seen much of why you think Spiderz is very scummy, yet you lynch them over OM, who you say has nothing townie about him. This whole progression irks me [note that these posts are just an hour apart, and Spiderz has said nothing within that hour.]I request that you learn to read things in context. I spent that hour getting home from school, the first post was a vanity phonepost on the bus when I was responding to the points FtF made about me. I came home and read through the thread and made the second post. I don't appreciate you trying to discredit me by taking things out of context. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 13, 2018 2:56:38 GMT
ayia i'm not on tbz actually, lol its for this reason that I scum read you lol. OM Is such obv town if you just read the tone in which he's speaking and Spiderz is blatant bad town so from my eyes scum pool would be Dasocks / Champ / maybe xbad Nothing is obvious except you being scummy, no one's going to listen to your reads even if you flip green if you're just going to order us to with no logic. Reads from town doesn't mean they're right. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Jul 13, 2018 2:57:43 GMT
you know rereading recent posts, I'm adding xnad to my scumpool and removing champ i'll elaborate if needed needed |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 13, 2018 3:05:03 GMT
The part I highlighted is a fallacy. There is no statistic likeliness in the first place. His line of thought is easy to follow and is not a wolftell. The issue with his line of thought is that it can apply to anyone lynching anyone. Lynching him over this is shallow.
Your scum team theory at the very least, holds weight. There is some decent distancing going on there. What I take issue with is that og villain is lynching based off of very shaky reasoning. ayia lynching Daisocks is not indicative of scum ayia lynching chosen Daisocks and I have trouble following that line of logic because being able to know this off of so little is really unlikely.
Lynching Daisocks for OM's and Ayia's voting patterns isn't justified when we know the alignment of none of them. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 13, 2018 3:08:42 GMT
Yeah we get more interactions and stuff by maybe not hammering before people actually speak? You're not getting my point, I'm trying to say that we should let situations more naturally rather than shut down anything non-TBZ related. We're obviously not going to plurshift off then last minute anyways hopefully...
TBZ already implicated several people through his time here
I've seen enough to know that there is a lot to work with once he flips
Which is why I don't mind jumping on him now and moving quickly through future POE |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 13, 2018 3:14:29 GMT
My PoE is an early game buncha reads, just me throwing out a couple of opinions around. The only strong reads I have and will follow through is OM SCUM and TBZ SCUM. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jul 13, 2018 3:15:15 GMT
Xnad has zero self awareness and is in full dumb kid mode. I don't think he's scum this time around though.
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