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Post by Wob on Aug 11, 2019 12:03:29 GMT
Challenge 13: Results
1) vooper (1570 ELO) 2) Xinc (1506 ELO) 3) Ani (1245 ELO) 4) Whydon (1185 ELO) 5) Eevee (1121 ELO) 6) XY (DNF) 6) darkness (DNF) 6) milo (DNF) 6) Carson (DNF)
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Post by Wob on Aug 11, 2019 12:16:50 GMT
Tribal CouncilToday you will all have to vote to send someone home. As vooper won immunity in the previous challenge, he may not be voted for. In submitting your vote, please ensure you also respond to the following questions.
The person with the most votes will be eliminated from the game, withstanding any potential advantages that may be played. In the case of a tie, the person with the most former votes will be eliminated. If this is a tie as well, the players will play a challenge that happens during the rest of the game to decide who goes home. If no valid votes are cast, everyone will revote. The deadline to submit this is noon GMT tomorrow: Monday the 12th of August. This is in 23 hours and 45 minutes.
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Post by Wob on Aug 12, 2019 12:25:59 GMT
Challenge 14: Who's that Pokemon?
For this challenge, you will have to identify a set of 10 images, each of which is a Pokemon. The twist is that every one of these Pokemon has been drawn extremely poorly by the hosts, so you'll have to rely on your knowledge of their designs to win.
To start the challenge, tag myself or Lucas in your confessional channel, and we'll send you a link to the drawings. The player who correctly matches the most Pokemon to their corresponding images will win individual immunity. In the event that these scores are tied, the player who took the shortest time to submit their final answers will win.
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Post by Wob on Aug 13, 2019 12:08:15 GMT
Challenge 14: Results 1) Whydon - 5/10 (26 Minutes) 2) XY - 4/10 (8 Minutes) 3) Carson - 4/10 (11 Minutes) 4) Eevee - 4/10 (19 Minutes) 5) Vooper - 4/10 (41 Minutes) 6) Darkness - 3/10 (71 Minutes) 7) Ani - 2/10 (9 Minutes) 8) Milo - DNF
Answers
1) Carbink 2) Combusken 3) Weedle 4) Eevee 5) Clamperl 6) Celesteela 7) Numel 8) Rattata 9) Lickilicky 10) Cosmog
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Post by Wob on Aug 13, 2019 12:16:04 GMT
Tribal Council Today you will all have to vote to send someone home. As Whydon won immunity in the previous challenge, they may not be voted for. In submitting your vote, please ensure you also respond to the following questions. The person with the most votes will be eliminated from the game, withstanding any potential advantages that may be played. In the case of a tie, the person with the most former votes will be eliminated. If this is a tie as well, the players will play a challenge that happens during the rest of the game to decide who goes home. If no valid votes are cast, everyone will revote. The deadline to submit this is noon GMT tomorrow: Wednesday the 14th of August. This is in 23 hours and 45 minutes.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Aug 14, 2019 12:29:41 GMT
Final Challenge: The Game
So, you have all made it up until the final seven! That means you're officially in the top 10% players of the game, more specifically the top 9.72%! Regardless, this is Day 34. If you've thought about the game, you may realise that we need to get down from seven until three before the final tribal council, still. And... most previous advantages are now void.
So, this is the final challenge day of the game! After this, we will have four back-to-back tribal councils that will end up deciding which three players will be in the finals.
For this challenge, I hope you have been proactive this game and have gotten to know as much as you could. As this Tribal Council, you will get 72 questions about all states of the game. Have you backread, discussed the game with other players. And have you kept good track of what has happened yourself, then this is the challenge for you.
For this challenge, you will be able to win immunity for different tribal councils, in addition to possible other rewards. If you win something, it will be announced to you privately. If you gained immunity for a specific tribal council, it will publicly be announced prior to this tribal council, but not immediately at the end of the challenge.
You will have 23 hours and 30 minutes to prepare yourself for the questions, possibly by talking to people and then do the challenge. Once you feel you are ready for the questions, you may request them in your confessional channel. From this point on, you must stop communicating about the questions, or your answers. It is your responsibility to get your answers handed in before the deadline is over.
In case of ties, it will be broken by time.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Aug 15, 2019 12:51:06 GMT
Tribal Council First tribal of the final stretch! I hope you are all excited, and also content that you made it this far in general. Anyway, you will be sending one person home today. You will be unable to vote for Ani or Milo this tribal, as they have obtained immunity.
The person with the most votes will be eliminated from the game, withstanding any potential advantages that may be played. In the case of a tie, the person with the most former votes will be eliminated. If this is a tie as well, the players will play a challenge that happens during the rest of the game to decide who goes home. If no valid votes are cast, everyone will revote. The deadline to submit this is noon GMT tomorrow: Friday the 16th of August. This is in 23 hours and 10 minutes.
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Post by Wob on Aug 16, 2019 12:18:22 GMT
Tribal Council Congrats to all of you on surviving that last tribal! Today you will once again have to vote someone off. As Eevee has obtained immunity, they may not receive votes at this council. The person with the most votes will be eliminated from the game, withstanding any potential advantages that may be played. In the case of a tie, the person with the most former votes will be eliminated. If this is a tie as well, the players will play a challenge that happens during the rest of the game to decide who goes home. If no valid votes are cast, everyone will revote. The deadline to submit this is noon GMT tomorrow: Saturday the 17th of August. This is in 23 hours and 40 minutes.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Aug 17, 2019 12:23:13 GMT
Tribal Council Congrats to all of you on surviving that last tribal! Today you will once again have to vote someone off. As darkness has obtained immunity, they may not receive votes at this council. The person with the most votes will be eliminated from the game, withstanding any potential advantages that may be played. In the case of a tie, the person with the most former votes will be eliminated. If this is a tie as well, the players will play a challenge that happens during the rest of the game to decide who goes home. If no valid votes are cast, everyone will revote. The deadline to submit this is noon GMT tomorrow: Sunday the 18th of August. This is in 23 hours and 37 minutes.
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Post by Wob on Aug 18, 2019 12:26:00 GMT
Tribal CouncilCongratulations to all of you surviving until the final tribal council of the game! It's been tough no doubt, but just one more vote and you're through. The person with the most votes will be eliminated from the game, withstanding any potential advantages that may be played. For this tribal council, ties will be broken by a revote, in which only the players who received an equal number of votes may be voted for. If this is also tied, a 1v1 Challenge will be played to determine who goes. The deadline is at noon GMT tomorrow as always, Monday the 19th. Good luck!
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Aug 19, 2019 7:54:48 GMT
Final Tribal Council: Speeches & QuestionsThe final four tribal council has happened, and thus we now know who have made the final tribal council. Congrats to zorojuro , theeevee and whydon for being out official finalists! Our Jury consists of Alexander489 , ayia , merrygrim , litteleven , ilikebugs , moonool , gateways7, xinc , Crespo , vooper , Umbrella , Myloninja13 and Carson ! Congratulations everyone involved in this part of the game, you made it quite far! Preemptively, the speech reveal and questions being answered will be at 2 AM GMT tonight. Be there if possible! This is 10 PM East Coast time, 7 PM West Coast Time, 3 AM Britain time, etc.
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Post by Wob on Aug 20, 2019 7:53:09 GMT
Tribal QuestionsXY Hello, final 3. Congratulations to all of you for getting here. You all did something that everyone in the jury failed to do, get to FTC. Many people in the jury have their vote decided already, which I guess is fair but my vote is still undecided. On one hand, we have Whydon who did whatever he could to survive. Then there’s eevee who started off sheeping Schia and played an idol yesterday to ensure he got to FTC. There’s also darkness who I know nothing about.
I’ll give my honest opinions about you all
Whydon - my raiatea buddy from day 1. You approached me first and we went from there. I helped you (at least imo) get links with Schia and the rest of Tahiti when we merged first time. We met back and made the 4p alliance with ani and milo. You said we’d go strong to f3 with ani and I wanted that. During the double elim ani and I pushed u and milo into a final 6 but you didn’t trust it? I still don’t believe it but you did what you had to do ig? Just so ya know, no one in the jury would’ve voted for me. They all don’t like me fsr haha.
Eevee - you were very nice to me from the start. You developed from Schia’s sheep to an actual player who did what they needed to do to get here. Mad respect for that.
Darkness - I’ll be honest. I didn’t see any of your game so you’re gonna have to explain a lot. You didn’t really seem that open when talking to me about the game but you were loyal, I’ll give you that.
My question is kinda long to answer but eh Why did you vote who you did every vote since the double elim? I want some reasoning. Once again, well played to all of you and good luck.
Xinc SPEEEEEEEEEEECH: Well, we're at home stretch, folks. And we're going to find out who deserves to be the sole survivor. I'd like to give you all a congratulatory pat on the back. You're all here because you're the best of the best, and you probably snaked your way in somehow :stuck_out_tongue: I, myself, didn't expect to make it as far as I did. Good game, folks.
So I have a question for all three of you - "Why do you think I believe you deserve to win, as compared to your peers?"
Moon Sooo, finals, huh? Eevee, Dark and Whydon. Not too bad to be honest. I got to work with every single one of you at different points throughout the game, and I'm kinda happy y'all made it here. This is one hella difficult decision to be honest. Who should I vote for? Should it be one of the more passive yet loyal players, the two that warned me about Whydon's backstab? Or should it be Whydon himself, a player who played the game really well, took active decisions and made a lot of plays? As someone who tends to like loyalty but also made some moves himself, I am torn. I do want to mention that had Milo survived with you 3, my Kamikaze plan would've came to be lol. The three of you were really solid players, and togsther with the rest of the jury, I think we got a really strong top 16 players here. I'm fairly certain this will be a close one and 100% this is gonna be interesting. This has been a wildride, especially the double elimination. I highly doubt anybody knows and fully understands what happened that night lol. But yeah, all in all, great f3, and good luck, looking forward to the next season, whenever that may be.
For Whydon: Looking back at my elimination, I came up with a plan to take you, Milo, Dark and Eevee to the f4. You quickly rejected it, went behind my back and revealed it. From the looks of things, you had a guaranteed way of getting there with an established alliance, what made you turn your back of them, and why should they give you their vote now?
For Dark: From the looks of things, and from the other jury-members, many people think you took a more passive approach to the game, didnt make any moves and were lead others, thus making you less deserving of the win. Do you think that's the case? Why or why not?
For Eevee: Before I was voted, you and Dark both warned me about Whydon's flip. What made you reveal the move and potentially risk it by staying loyal, rather than going behind my back like the others think you tend to do?
Gateways My question for each participant is: “Congrats on making it this far, y’all. I had a lot of fun playing (especially my vote-out, that was hilarious), an I hope you did as well. Anyways, onto my question. There’s value in acknowledging what you’ve done, but I think your answers to that are going to be pretty standard. So, I want to explore a different question. Who, among the other two players in FTC, deserves to win, and why?”
Bugs I enjoyed this game, I met a lot of kind people! Whydon didnt talk much, but eevee and darkness were nice to me and they were close allies so Im glad they made f3, but now I dont know who to vote for out of the 2! I liked all my jury members although I didnt get to play with a lot of them, the only person I had extensive conversations with was alex and grime. To whydon, what was your strategy throughout the game that proves you should win? To darkness, what were the relationships with the jury that you made to help you survive? To eevee, what were the moves you made to get out your threats and survive?
Ayia Hey, everyone, congrats on making it into the final 3. I have had some interaction with all of you, small as it maybe. I have no personal grudge or bias for or against any of you (my only personal bias was just eliminated) so my vote will be completely decided on Jury discussion and how you answer my question. What was your strategy going into the game and how did that change by the end?
I subbed in to lose to (possibly?) RND in the merge. I got squeezed out of an alliance lock, so that sucks.
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Post by theeevee on Aug 21, 2019 5:06:37 GMT
TheEevee's Final Tribal Council Megapost Hello everybody, I would like to first thank you all for making this game an enjoyable experience for me, through both the ups and downs, and putting in the effort to make this final tribal council equally exciting. I will be using this post to answer the Jury's questions, which will be updated periodically. In case you haven't read my opening speech yet, I highly encourage you to do so as I want to provide you all with the information you need to make an informed decision. Please keep in mind that the events that I state are from my perspective and different sources may have conflicting stories; that being said, I tried my best to remain as factual and truthful as possible, unlike my fellow finalists who lied to me even after the final vote off occurred.
-- JURY QUESTIONS -- My responses to the jury questions have been listed below, if anything doesn't make sense, please contact the hosts to see if you can get a clarifying question in so I can help you be more informed of your decision; if you are a juror that still has the ability to submit a question, please ask me anything that's burning on your mind--I will be more than happy to answer it to the best of my ability for you.
Carson
Q: @theeevee01 I really just want you to talk out your decision to vote me out, if you could address why you decided to not just tell me straight up and I want your motive in making the vote, please be frank I don't care about my own ego.
A: First off, I'm sorry. I'm going to keep these answers relatively short, not because I don't value the game as much, but because I'm not going to fluff these messages.
The only reason is because I counted votes. If Darkness/Eevee/Carson was the final 3, you would have gotten these votes (with almost 100% certainty), from my perspective: Milo, Ani, Vooper, Toni, Xinc, Alex AT LEAST, Darkness receiving any votes that people would've remained bitter at me and you about, meaning I had a 0 shot of winning, and a low shot of getting second. If I voted you out, at least those 6 votes would free up and my chances of winning the game would be greater than zero. It was not because Darkness or Whydon "manipulated" me or I didn't "trust" you or I didn't "value" your loyalty. It was simply because calculations showed that you were going to win. If it was based off of trust alone and/or the jury formation was different, I would've kept you.
Milo
Q: @theeevee01: Do you regret sticking seemingly so close to Carson for the latter part of the game?
A: No, I don't. As Carson just said above, "[his] decisions this game were made in order to appease [his] allies." For the 95% of the game, I did exactly what Carson did. The only time I REALLY needed to DICTATE the vote was DC and Vooper. I didn't want to be the dictator in the alliance who dictates every vote, because this is a team game and leaders always get overthrown. We worked so well the entire game because of our similar mindset, and if I had worked with anyone else, it would've been much more difficult to make it this far--Carson was the only one who I could trust 100% in this game, which is an incredible gem to have. That being said, if I had taken anyone in the Tonga 4, or Carson (associated with the Tonga 4), they would've received huge portion of the jury votes. From the remaining of the final 9, Whydon/Darkness/Milo, Milo, you were the one that was most well liked by the jury, and as such you were also voted off. (Before Carson because Carson I could trust 100%, again; whereas Darkness and Whydon are known to be flippers.)
Ani
Q: @theeevee01. You and Carson were definitely a duo in this game. I’d like to know what you contributed to this duo, as it feels to me like Carson did most of everything.
A: You know, the funny thing is, I had an alliance since Darkness since Day 1; the way you phrased your question proves how this alliance was so under-the-radar because you definitely aren't the one who has this vision (Whydon, Schia, XY, etc.) all failed to notice this.
Since your question is relating to the duo with Carson though, I'll elaborate on that. Given the initial final words from Moonool (I believe) calling Carson a puppet master, I happily led him on that trail. When people would ask me about alliances and my voting power, I would ALWAYS brush it off by saying that "the puppet master is controlling me." This was intentional--since tie votes are determined by the number of votes accumulated previously, I never wanted to be the target in the event of a tie. (Carson accumulated a whopping 9 votes by the Final 6 which was the biggest potential tie vote; if any ONE person flipped [Whydon, Darkness], then Carson would've been gone. Though that would've sucked for me because one of my closest allies would've been gone, if I wasn't seen as the "powerful" one of the duo, I would at least have the ability to flip a vote instead of being sent directly to the jury.)
Another big contribution was that I was the one to piece together the puzzle that Vooper was not in Carson's best interest. Vooper didn't share his advantage that he received Day 21 with Carson, and everyone to my knowledge did. Furthermore, If Vooper was close with Carson, Carson wouldn't end up being the first target of the Tonga 4; he would've campaigned heavily for Carson, which was clearly not the case.
Lastly, I was always the one gathering intel. Darkness, Ani, Whydon, Milo would always tell me things (and I'm sure Carson was told things too) but I know for a fact that Darkness would feed the information to me and not Carson directly; and you, Ani, mentioned that Carson just ghosted you, so clearly I was the only info source for our duo from him; that being said, I did not use what you said during the final 6 against you (as you pondered in your final words); in fact, I heavily hinted that there would be votes on you, hence why you should "play an idol."
Vooper
Q: Eevee - give me as many moves as you can that YOU can take credit for, not carson, not anyone else. Explain why and how you pulled it off and how only you could have. also use this as a way to show you played better than how darkness played as you two filled a similar role
A: Thank you, Vooper, for allowing me to elaborate on this. Since Darkness and I were on Tahiti since Day 1, I'll just name all of them starting from Day 1. I apologize for this being not brief at all, I want to make sure I am thorough enough to not look like I'm hiding anything.
Day 4/6 - Mayman/Snorlax Darkness was actually the target for these two votes. I was the one who worked my ass off in the first challenge which Schia/Spiderz deemed worthy to make ME the 5th member of the Tahiti Core. From there, I (and bugs assisted) was able to shift the target AWAY from Darkness because he was so bad at the challenges overall that he was a liability every time; I wanted to keep Darkness around because we were the closest duo on Tahiti, no doubt. Darkness had to rely on me to not get voted out because I could've easily gone like "he's too much of a burden, goodbye." Obviously, no one else not mentioned could've pulled this off as they were not in the Tahiti core.
Day 7 - Spiderz I'm mentioning this because this was a collaborative effort for Bugs and I to FLIP on the Tahiti Core with Velvet (who we told Darkness to align with.) This was not Darkness's motive, not solely mine, but I don't want him to continue lying unnecessarily and claim it.
Day 9 - Sfl It was of utmost importance for me to get my four (Bugs/Darkness/Velvet/me) to NOT vote Schia because Schia is GOOD at challenges and we needed to stop losing challenges at that point. Unfortunately for Schia, he always ghosts people he doesn't like, so he made CLEAR enemies with Darkness (and Bugs/Velvet later). Schia and I were the BIG contributors and I called to keep Schia alive because I knew I wouldn't be able to carry Tahiti by myself.
Day 20 - DC This was when I pulled the infamous 9 hour challenge that I brushed off as easy to mitigate my threat level; obviously, it wasn't easy. I knew Alex was tight with DC and I was tight with Sparkli. Carson and Bugs didn't have any preferences to my knowledge as they seldom talked to both. Because I was the one immune, I was able to call the shots and call for DC to be eliminated. I knew I wouldn't be backstabbed that vote, and bugs would follow my allegiances there, so Alex in particular kinda have to give up his not-really-close-but-closer-than Sparkli ally. Subsequently, I put myself and bugs in the middle where I could side with Sparkli to vote off Alex or Carson or side with the Tongatapu to vote off Sparkli. DAY 31 - Xinc I didn't mastermind the vote in particular, but as I elaborated above I was the one who was able to connect Darkness and Carson to form a tight alliance and devise the plan to flip on the Final 4. Being on completely opposite sides, they didn't fully trust each other, and they still don't by the end of the game, so I had to be the trustworthy individual in the middle who linked them together to flip on Tonga 4. As I also said earlier, I was the one who suggested to get actual numbers instead of using advantages; yes, other people could've done that but Whydon/Milo were flip-floppy and Carson just wanted to rely on his ultra-risky advantage and Darkness just was ambivalent the whole time... Like most other votes, I didn't care who exactly was the target, I just cared that everyone was in agreement about the person we're voting out—the vote itself is an advance by one, but the voting block is an multitiered advance. DAY 33 - Toni I definitely didn't control this vote, but I read Darkness's comment about showing his "power" by pulling the strings through this vote--I just wanted to note that I wanted to be supportive of my alliances and as long as it wasn't someone I was REALLY CLOSE with, I don't mind who the vote is. Yes, I wanted Vooper out, but at the end of the day, Toni and I had a very awkward conversation, still repercussions since Gate's impact, and if the whole alliance wants XY out instead of Vooper, well great, I'll go with that. I'm not going to create a cliche hidden message confessional and vote out A instead of B for the sake of showing off and being flashy; in fact, that's kind of rude and inconsiderate to the person eliminated because they're made to be laughing stock: "haha, look I'm gonna get XY next because my alliance doesn't care who to vote between XY/Vooper and I'm going to tell them XY because I wrote this hidden message instead of justifying the vote by voting off the biggest threat!" By the end game, it appears that the number of "moves" I made on people has diminished. This can be justified using two reasons:
1. Many moves were mutually beneficial for all: Vooper, Ani would've won had they made it to the FTC; Milo had the highest likelihood of winning F4 and subsequently FTC; Litt, unanimous vote.
2. Less is more. When you have trustworthy allies, you work together with them, not manipulate them. I got the game to run the way I wanted so I wouldn't have to do anything flashy and increase my threat level. That's why all the votes I mentioned in #1 occurred the way they did; we had trustworthy allies. I was the original link between Darkness and Carson which was the foundation that bolstered our alliance in West Polynesia, and with Whydon/Milo in the Final 9.
XY
Q: Eevee - you were very nice to me from the start. You developed from Schia’s sheep to an actual player who did what they needed to do to get here. Mad respect for that. My question is kinda long to answer but eh -- Why did you vote who you did every vote since the double elim? I want some reasoning.
A: Before I address the question, I would like to comment on the "Schia's sheep" part. The funny thing is, I actually had the most power on Tahiti--I had the full grasp of everyone there, hence why I was not only able to join Schia's majority, yet eliminate the "Mafia alliance" in the form of Schia's allies Spiderz/Sfl. It's questionable why Schia didn't just choose to flip to your side afterwards, but I was quite pleased that I became Schia's #1 on French Poly where he would tell me EVERYTHING. Don't get me wrong, I love Schia, but he definitely did not have control of Bugs/Velvet/Darkness--we had had family chat (w/ everyone except Schia, hence why Schia was unanimously named the "next person to go" during the Synchronize challenge)--and the four of us didn't seem to be splitting anytime soon as the most disloyal person there was Darkness (who didn't have another option since Schia had it out for him).
Now, onto the real question.
Day 31 - Xinc As I've elaborated in both response to Vooper and Carson (and others too), I didn't care that Xinc particularly was the vote, but rather that the new formed five stick together as Whydon/Milo/Darkness have all been known as untrustworthy (I trusted Darkness due to the nature of our Day 1 alliance). As long as the alliance which I laid the foundation was comfortable, I was satisfied with any of the Tonga 4 going out. Conveniently, Ani and XY were the two who I talked to more, so I was even more happy that Xinc was the one going.
Day 33 - XY Despite an unanimous decision that Vooper was a bigger social and strategic threat (he spearheaded the double elimination!!), Darkness and Whydon gave us an ultimatum to vote XY instead (obviously, due to Darkness's cliche hidden messages.) Since we had an awkward conversation involving only the word "hi" and the fallback from Gateaways was still evident, I didn't mind that you were the next vote. That being said, I didn't ignore you when you questioned me, I was asleep (it was 4 AM!!) and since it was so awkward I didn't really feel like I needed to be the vocal one to tell you and potentially screw up the vote; above all, my priority was to keep the alliance strong, not to cause a year-long debate to evict Vooper 8th instead of 7th so I voted you, in the end.
Day 35 - Vooper This was an obvious vote as Vooper had demonstrated that he was both a strategic and physical threat. Despite his desperate plea to get the points he needed for an avatar (which, I still feel bad about because he needed the points much more than I did), it was clear that Vooper would've been the winner whether he tried or not at the FTC. In the event that Ani had the idol, I laid the framework to work with Ani too because Ani is very kind, just that our alliances and goals didn't match up at all.
Day 36 - Ani Between the voting options of Ani and Carson, Ani was obviously the bigger jury threat. (Ani is also a bigger jury threat than Milo/Whydon/Darkness). As such, the Ani vote followed, completely the elimination of the Tonga 4. In the event that he had an idol, I would've been really sad that Carson would've been the one to go, but at least I would've still had the opportunity to work with Ani to flip the vote on someone not named Eevee in the theoretical final 5 following. Unfortunately, Ani was dead-set on Carson going, so flipping the potential idol vote was improbable; however, in the event of the idol, I did think about whether to rogue vote Milo or Whydon, but ultimately decided not to, in the event that they truly did flip on Carson and the numbers worked against my favor and closed opportunities in the event of that theoretical final 5.
Day 37 - Milo Milo did reach out for a final 3 between Carson and I. Weirdly, he was also the one who voted Carson last vote; obviously, this could be a desperation plea. Milo and Carson, being most loved by the jury, would just seal my fate for 3rd in this game. Instead, I chose to stay true to my two closest allies, and voted Milo out instead.
Day 38 - Carson This one I made a mistake on; not because I voted him out, but because I didn't tell him beforehand. I had an idol, which ensured my safety. (I guess I was still paranoid of an idol nullifier last minute.) However, I did count the votes and Carson would've received at least 6, and Darkness probably at least 2, securing my place as a non-winner in the Final 3. With Whydon and Darkness, I knew their excessive lying would give me a chance to shine above them, despite my reserved and more loyal gameplay, which showed less "flashiness." This, of course, opened up the previously Carson-certain votes for grabs, giving me an opportunity to explain why I deserve to win like I'm doing now.
Xinc
Q: Why do you think I believe you deserve to win, as compared to your peers? A: This is a tough question because as I've mentioned in my opening speech, I didn't get to fully connect with you as much as I wanted (which was completely my fault), and as a result I can't exactly pinpoint what your "values" are for determining a winner. From the interactions we've had (and what I've observed), I believe one of your big values is loyalty and friendship. Now, by no means did I embrace those two attributes to the extent that I could use those words to highlight my game, but I definitely displayed it much more than my peers. In regards to loyalty, my closest allies were all from Tahiti and Tongatapu (Alex and Carson specifically). The only one of my closest allies that I had to vote off was Carson, not because I wanted to, but because I would 100% lose this game had I not as I've elaborated in the answer to the questions above and from the phrasing of the questions that the jury clearly implied. Beyond that, I didn't backstab my closest allies. In fact, for many of my less-close allies, I even warned them in advance (depending on the situation) whether they were going to be voted out--Moonool and Ani to be specific. I feel like it is courteous, as a friend, to give a heads up to that person, especially when one is immune for that day. (In hindsight, I should've warned Carson too.) Contrarily, Whydon and Darkness love to lie for no reason. Despite their claims in their speeches, they embody the inability to know when to stop lying. Even with a question as simple as "Did you [Whydon] have a final 2 with Darkness or anybody else," he had to tell me a false answer, only for me to read about the truth the following day. UPDATE: Whydon claims I was fishing for information. However, as I have expressed in my speech numerous times, I prefer to settle my differences before an event occurs, rather than after, as it shows a case of genuineity. Ultimately, this information was ultimately irrelevant and was hurtful, personally for me, because he is employing his own mentality onto me, evidently showing no read on character throughout the entirety of the game I've played with him. Similarly, Darkness concocted a story about winning the final 5 immunity from a god battle instead of from the final challenge. As I trusted him as basically his #1 ally (and Whydon has mutual feelings here), he lied to both of us with this story that makes absolutely no sense and no difference in the progression of the game. This is why, despite their claims that they "didn't lie for fun" when they voted everyone out, I have clear contradictory evidence that they like to lie for little reason at all because it is clearly entertainment for them. Ultimately, I believe that this game extends beyond the game. I did my best in the limited amount of time I had to connect with everyone beyond the game because at the end of the day, friendship is more important than a title of a game <3
Moonool
Q: Eevee: Before I was voted, you and Dark both warned me about Whydon's flip. What made you reveal the move and potentially risk it by staying loyal, rather than going behind my back like the others think you tend to do?
A: When you made the Kamikaze plan, you knew how strongly I opposed the plan--and for good reason--because people will vote you out (like they did) without actually following the other parts of the plan. Despite the paranoia I sensed from you this vote (and the initial second merge/swap vote), I felt like you deserved to know what was happening because you were willing to sacrifice yourself for your allies' advancement of the game, which is a very heroic act. Even then, the fact that you were one of my allies that Vooper wanted to vote out was enough reason for me to tell you; I didn't want to evict you (hence my vote on Gateaways) and it was mutually beneficial if you were able to save yourself, because at the end of the day, you were my ally.
Gateaways
Q: Who, among the other two players in FTC, deserves to win, and why?
A: This is hard because I know the other two are going to answer each other. If it was a final 2 and I had to vote for a winner, I would vote for Whydon. Whydon is able to lie about something, yet give hope to the person who he lied to. Darkness, on the other hand, lies by fabricating a story that makes completely no sense and is clearly obvious that he's lying. In my speech, I specified that Darkness should NOT win because he fabricated the following story to tell to his two closest allies, who didn't even think of voting him out:
Darkness "wins" final 5 immunity from a god battle, similar to how Milo won final 7 immunity Day 21 by choosing "low risk, low reward." The caveat being, if he told anyone it would be void. This is obviously fake as god battles happened during the first 10 days of the game, and final 5 is incredibly specific to be given in that manner early game; in addition, there's a caveat!? Then, he tells me told Whydon. Oh, so now the caveat is he can tell one person only! Nice! (Note: Darkness mentions he won an idol during a god battle. Though there isn't proof for either side of the argument, it could be a possibility he lied about this to boost his challenge prowess more than it really is, given his inmate nature to lie for no reason.)
That being said, Whydon, too, lied unnecessarily to me AFTER Carson's eviction, so it's a tough call.
Bugs
Q: Eevee, what were the moves you made to get out your threats and survive?
A: As I've elaborated in my other responses already, pivotal points in my game were the DC vote (which you experienced first hand), the final 9 vote, and the final 4 vote. That being said, the other 30+ days of my game were not lackluster, it's simply that I placed myself in a position in which I don't have to make big flashy moves to survive and paint a target on my back in the process of.
Day 20 - DC Here, I pulled the infamous 9 hour challenge. Alex was tight with DC and I was tight with Sparkli. Because of my immunity, I was able to push to get out DC, which promptly put us in the middle so we could side with either Alex/Carson OR Sparkli in the following vote. This was also the first time that I was a looming vote; by getting off my enemy at this time, I was able to keep my 0-vote streak until Day 29 when Gateaways threw out a rouge vote.
DAY 31 - Xinc As I've elaborated earlier, Xinc specifically was not my concern during this vote. It was the foundation which I created to link Carson and Darkness together and create a strong threesome to pull Whydon/Milo in and vote off four of the biggest threats in the game consecutively. Despite the doubts that Carson and Darkness had about one another, I was always able to keep us united (until the last vote.) Because of this foundation, I didn't need to make any shocking votes end game (nor any cliche votes with hidden messages)--I simply needed to make sure Whydon/Darkness/Milo/Carson/me always voted together, yielding my vote off preference to them so we don't divide for a inconsequential reason. This proved to work extraordinarily well as the 5 I mentioned were the final 5. Had I (or Carson) been more pushy about who we wanted out, Whydon would've definitely flipped and eliminated Carson final 6, putting me on a train to ponderosa.
AYIA
Q: What was your strategy going into the game and how did that change by the end? A: My initial strategy comprised of three main points: mitigating my threat level, connecting with everyone in the game, and being loyal to my most trustworthy allies. The first component, mitigating my threat level, was quickly abandoned after Tahiti proved to have minimal participation in challenges; if someone didn't pull the weight, the whole ship would've sank. Still, I kept Schia around because Schia was always the bigger threat as he was more vocal and more known as the "challenge threat." When the challenges shifted toward the individual challenges, I was able to stop being a front runner in challenges in non-pivotal moments of the game, yet still pull out a victory when I knew I needed it (9 hour streak to get the DC vote, Final Immunity Challenge to win the most powerful idol in the game AND final 6 immunity). Socially, I was never seen as a threat despite my grasp of the entire Tahiti (and paleo-French Poly, and eventually neo-Samoa) tribe. I was always seen as someone who people could ally with. While the latter statement still held true by the final merge, the former statement isn't necessarily false; rather, the votes became mutually beneficial for all, and there was no reason for me to make a "big, flashy move" besides to be able to boast about it here--but as you could tell, I'm not that type of person. (The biggest move in the final merge was definitely Vooper's ability to get Gate/Moon voted off, putting him in the frontrunner position for winning.) Still, despite whether I liked a person or not in the game, I seeked to connect with everyone in the game and beyond the game. I made sure to contact everyone, which proved to be very wise as I only received 2 votes to be eliminated over the course of the entire game, and also in return, I had numerous opportunities to decide my fate either flipping or staying true to my allies. As I've elaborated in previous answers, connecting beyond the game was a big personal goal for me as the game lasts for 39 days, but friendship can last a long time more--even with the people I betrayed in the game, if possible, I sought to settle any hard feelings before the actual vote-off (Litt/Gate) rather than waiting to the final tribal council to apologize by saying "I'm so sorry I voted you; please vote for me to win!" Lastly, the loyalty aspect. I made an alliance with Darkness from day 1 which I stuck to the entire game. I've never lied to or dodged him in the game, yet the feelings were clearly not reciprocated as I found out earlier this week. Similarly, with Carson, whom I allied since day 16, I've never lied or dodged him in the game, until the Day 38, which was, honestly, a big mistake for me because I had immunity. Now, as I've explained in previous answers, I'm by no means the most truthful person in the game, but I'm far more truthful than Whydon and Darkness, who lie for fun (even after the Carson vote and the FTC was announced!!) [See my answer to Xinc's question for more elaboration.] I'm not going to justify my deceit; I'm simply stating that I only lied out of what I felt was necessary to my allies (Milo/AYIA vote). Technically, I didn't answer XY before his vote off, but unfortunately I was asleep for that and I couldn't respond to him before tribal (( However, I hope my ability to be truthful to the majority of people in the game (that were my allies) outweighs the cons of my game and the other finalists' deceitful natures.
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Post by whydon on Aug 22, 2019 19:13:45 GMT
Whydon's Final Tribal Council Hi everyone! I just wanted to say that I had a blast playing this game, and I’m super excited to see how it ends, since I think this is a pretty competitive FTC that I’m super proud to be a part of. I want to thank everyone in this game for making this such an enjoyable experience (yes, even Hihylive and velvet lmao), and of course a big thank you to the hosts for taking the time to host a game at such a large-scale. I have experience hosting myself, and I know that it’s one of the most challenging things to do, so I appreciate everything that you guys have done for us and for the Smogon community as a whole. Like Eevee said, I highly encourage you guys to take a look at my opening speech (link here) for a complete and comprehensive explanation of my game. I know it’s pretty long, so if you don’t want to read everything, I’d suggest reading the introduction, “3 Reasons Why I Believe You Should Vote for Me to Win”, and “Individual Remarks”. I just want to state here (and I’ll repeat this a couple of times in some of my response to your questions) that I 100% stand by the game that I played, and while I know that I made some people upset (if I ever personally hurt you or your feelings, I’m truly sorry, that was never what I intended), I personally believe that I had to make every decision that I made in the game if I wanted to even have a chance of getting to the end and winning. At the end of the game, I’m extremely proud of myself for even just making it to my first FTC ever, and regardless of the result, I feel at peace with myself for finally being able to prove that I can be more than just an early-merge boot. I poured my heart and soul into this game, and I hope you guys can see that in my responses to your questions. Anyways, enough sappy stuff. Best of luck to my fellow finalists Eevee and Darkness, and thanks again everyone for a great game! (also, sorry in advance for any typos, I’m traveling again tonight so I’m in a little bit of a rush! Hopefully you can still understand everything that I’m trying to say lmao)
Jury Questions + Responses! Carson "I wasn't around to see most of the early portions of your game, but when we merged I was told you were prone to flip, do you see yourself as one who likes to flip and if not how would you describe yourself as a player to us the jury?"
To answer the first part of your question, no, I don't like flipping. When I form close bonds with other players in the game, it becomes difficult for me to consider backstabbing them or flipping on them down the road, but I will do it if it's completely necessary. Flipping is risky but has immense payoff if pulled off properly. The only time I can think of when I flipped in the early portion of the game was during French Polynesia #2, when Dark and I flipped from our alliance with Vigvig/Fort/peach and sided with Milo/Moonool to vote out the other 3 players. This was a necessary move in my opinion because Milo and I were 2 against 3 in a 5 person alliance, and Fort was proving to be a big threat based on his past challenge wins. At the same time, we were very confident that Fort had an advantage of some kind, and we didn't want to risk someone with that much power getting to the next swap. Instead of describing myself as a flipper, I like to describe myself as an adapter. When I realized that things weren't going to work out for me in the long-run, I did what I had to do to get myself in a better position. At the Fort vote, I sided with Moon/Milo because I realized that I would have zero chance at survival if 5 Survive were the only players remaining and another tribal council happened. I realized at Final 9 that Big Group would only get me to the Final 6, and even if people were going to flip like they claimed, I don't see a world where I win a Final Tribal Council sitting next to any one of Toni, Ani, Vooper, or Milo. If adapting my game to get myself into a better position involved flipping, then unfortunately that's what I had to do, but my priority in this game was always "How can I get myself in a better position?", not "Who can I flip on now?" I hope this explains things a little bit for you. Milo "... Why Don? :stuck_out_tongue:.
In all seriousness you played well but there’s zero chance of you receiving my vote, wishing you the best of luck getting anyone else’s too. So my question to you is a far more important one, grapes or tomatoes?"This is disappointing to hear from you as I was not planning on voting you at the Final 5 until Darkness showed me logs of you telling him that you were trying to get Carson/Eevee to vote me out, and that you wanted Darkness to vote me out as well. Based on your final message and your current question to me, it seems that either A) Darkness lied and you weren't actually planning on voting me out, B) You believe I'm still unaware of your attempts to vote me out at Final 5, or C) I completely misread the situation. If the case is A, you should give your vote to Darkness 100%. If the case is B, I'm rather offended to be completely honest. If the case is C, you should still vote for Darkness since he was the one who got me to go against you with the logs that he sent me. I would've been fine voting out Carson at Final 5, in fact it was my plan starting from Final 7, but you never told me you were trying to tell Darkness to vote me out (you only mentioned Carson/Eevee), so I could only believe that you were trying to pull a fast one on me, and that I had to vote for you out of self-preservation. I said this in my speech already, but I absolutely would have voted you out at the Final 4, simply because you beat me in the FTC. You were too big of a threat, and it had to happen... Sorry I had to vote you out, but the game kinda forced my hand :/ And to answer your actual question, grapes :grapes: Logs: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/597156849849991181/613211514068795413/Screen_Shot_2019-08-19_at_8.23.17_PM.png (A log that Darkness sent to me in our chat of a conversation between Milo and Darkness at the Final 5.) Ani "Throughout this game, I got burned again and again and again by you. Why should I give you my vote when if feels like you lied to me at times just for the sake of lying?"
Hi Ani. First off, I want to fully acknowledge that I did lie to you the most in the game, and I genuinely feel bad about that. I want to thank you for giving me the chance to explain my game to you, even if I don't think you're going to vote for me.
I never wanted to lie unnecessarily at any point in the game, but once the merge hit I was stuck so tightly in the middle that I quickly realized I was inevitably going to have to stab people and tell some lies. My main reason for continuing to lie even after the Xinc vote is advantages. This game had so many [redacted] advantages, from the God Battles to the Easter Island idol to the advantages that the hosts literally gave out for free to the advantages that could be found in the final challenge (an idol that can be played at Final 5 and Final 4, seriously hosts? rolling_eyes ). I didn't want to risk being on the wrong side of an idol play, vote steal, extra vote etc., so I continued to lie with the hopes that I wouldn't be targeted if you guys played some type of advantage. Clearly this wasn't the case, and I'm sorry about that, but I was so paranoid at the Final 7 and beyond (I've never made it this far in a Survivor game before) and I didn't want to risk anything at all.
The circumstances regarding your actual vote are a little bit different. I was still worried about advantages, but more so I didn't want to tell you that I was voting you out because I didn't want Milo to know he didn't have the votes on his side. This was very important because I needed Milo to vote Carson at this vote so that I could force him to work with me at Final 5 to vote out Carson or use him as a shield at the Final 5 vote if I needed to (which is what happened). I was worried that you would tell him we didn't have the votes, which would cause him to cover his tracks, making it harder for me to survive at the Final 5.
I never lied for the sake of lying. I may have let my paranoia blind my judgment at some points in the game, but I always wanted to be as truthful as I possibly could. Unfortunately, because I always found myself stuck in the middle, I inevitably had to tell some lies to one side, and unfortunately it was your side in this game :/
Vooper (warning: this is a long one)"a lot of the jury finds your social game lacking. explain why you made some of the more controversial moves you did and humanize yourself. give me some of your greatest highs, lows, and worries in the game."
I made this claim in my speech, so I'm going to stand by it here. I believe there is a difference between jury management and social game, and I will be the first person to admit that my jury management was horseshit because I ended up lying to more people that I would've like. On the other hand, however, I personally believe my social game was far superior when compared to Eevee/Darkness. People were constantly funneling info through me (including Eevee/Darkness, who arguably gave me the most info out of everyone in the entire game) because they believed they could trust me, and even after blindsiding Xinc, I still had you, Toni, and Ani reaching out to me. I honestly don't think the last challenge should be an indication of how knowledgeable a player was about the game, because when I was talking to players, I was more concerned about figuring out who who was aligned with who, who didn't like who, etc. more than I was about figuring out who said "im sad :c" to VigVig in a private conversation that zero people had access to (not to discredit anyone's win in this challenge, but some of these questions were really ? tbh lol). Eevee said I never had any solid final deals with people: this is simply untrue, as Darkness and I had a Final 2, I had a Final 4 with Moon/Milo/Dark, a Final 3 with Milo/Dark, and a Final 2 with Milo, along with some other deals that I didn't hold up throughout the game, such as a final 3 with Toni/Ani and a final 5 with Milo/Dark/Moon/Gateways. Regardless of whether people were planning on sticking to these or not, I was still being pulled into these alliances, either because A) People thought I was trustworthy or B) They thought I would simply sheep any vote. I think these are products of the social game I maintained, and it also explains why I only received two non-self votes in the game (the same amount as Eevee!): 1 ILB at his elimination, and Carson's vote against me at Final 4. I wrote a whole section about my social game in my speech if you want more specific examples of how I maintained my social game. If there's one thing I wish I had done a bit differently, it would have been talking to people about things that didn't concern the game. I feel like I came off as too "GameBot"-y at certain points in the game, and I can definitely see why that might be used in an argument against my social game. By controversial moves, I'm going to assume you're referring to the following 3 moves: stabbing Big Group at Final 9, the subsequent Toni/Vooper/Ani votes, and the Milo vote at Final 5. Stabbing Big Group, in my opinion, was honestly necessary if I wanted any chance of making it to the end. Everyone was saying that Xinc/Vooper/Ani/Toni were a solid four from Tonga, which was supported by the fact that Vooper and Xinc had thrown my name out in the West Polynesia chat to keep people from voting Toni/Ani at the Double Elimination. After Xinc's vote, both Toni and Vooper claimed that they would've stabbed Xinc at Final 6. I don't know how I would've been able to know this at Final 9, and whether they were being truthful or not, I don't win in a Final 6 of Ani/Vooper/Toni/Xinc/Milo because that contains too many final tribal council threats. At another point in the game, Milo sent me logs of Vooper talking to Milo about my relationships with Darkness and Eevee, and in my eyes he was trying to plant seeds of paranoia in Milo's head way before we even decided to stab at Final 9. Based off all of this, I felt like I was being set up to be a Final 7 or Final 6 boot if I decided to stick with Big Group. Simply put, I felt like I had a better chance of getting to the Final 3 and winning with an alliance of Milo/Darkness/Carson/Eevee, because a) I had stronger connections with some of the people in this group, b) There were far less FTC threats, and c) Up to that point, nobody in the group had thrown my name under the bus (as far as I was aware). As for voting Milo and why I continued to lie to you guys after the stab, I covered this in my response to Ani and Milo’s questions. My biggest high was honestly just making it to FTC. You of all people know that I've been playing in a ton of Survivor games for the past 2 years, so I've been working towards this for a while now, yet I always seem to come up short at the merge. It's always been hard for me to make it past the first hurdle in the merge, so making Final Tribal was honestly a dream come true. I know that sounds cheesy af, but like, it's true. I always wondered how I would argue my case to the jury, and now that finally gets to manifest here. Even if I lose, I'm honestly really proud of the game I played, because I feel like I've finally proven to myself that I can actually get to the end and be more than just an early-mid merge boot. Some other highs included me getting the idol on Raitea (just because of how memey that was), pulling off the stab against Fort and not having it blow up in my face, and not dying at Final 9, because I feel like every time I try to challenge the status quo and pull off a stab in a game, the other side finds out somehow and I get booted before I can actually do anything (hi anon survivor) also I really liked the guess that pokemon challenge, not just because I won but also because it was really fun to try and see how well I could recognize different pokemon lmao some other highlights were the Polynesia Clown Memes chat, and that one time we sent a bunch of Roblox memes in the Big Group chat, I got to save a lot of new reaction photos to my camera roll thanks to those chats LOL my two main lows were voting out you and Toni. I felt bad watching you try to survive knowing that you were gonna die, and it honestly did hurt me to vote for you. I enjoyed our Discord call (even if we were cutting out like 60% of the time gg) and honestly we should call more about non-survivor stuff because you're fun to talk to and we seem to have pretty similar interests (and now we actually have each other added as friends on discord lmao) voting out toni was a low because I knew he'd be upset, but I couldn't figure out a better way to do it. i hated constantly lying to you and toni, and I'm being genuine when I say that it was very difficult for me to blindside you guys...even after the way anon survivor went, i feel like things ended on a really good note, and i felt guilty for how i deceived you guys at f9/f8/f7 because i felt like you guys would see it as my "revenge" for being voted out from anon survivor, even though i know with 100% certainty that this wasn't the case at all. one of my biggest worries in this game was that i had ruined my relationship with you and toni outside of the game, which I really hope i didnt. this goes out to all of the other players that I stabbed in this game (Fort, Vig, peach, Milo, Ani, Xinc). as for my other worries...lol where do i even begin? literally every time i have an idol in my pocket, i nearly die over paranoia wondering if i should use it or not. luckily i finally didnt get voted out with an idol in my pocket, so above all if I end up losing at least I've broken my trend of getting voted out with idols in my pocket rofl honestly my main worries were that Carson/Eevee/Vooper/Ani would vote together at Final 7, Darkness would vote me out at Final 4, Big Group was a lie and that I was getting voted out at the Double Elimination...it was a mess. im pretty sure i said something like "if i die now it was a good run" in my confessional chat during every single vote, mainly because i was always so worried that a new side would be forming and that i was going to get voted out last minute (can you tell that I have PTSD from anon survivor?). I also got a little paranoid at Final 4 when Darkness and Eevee kept asking me if I had locked my vote in, because I was fully expecting them to tell me something like "sorry but we lied to you, no hard feelings" and that the hosts wouldnt let me change my vote after that LOL. that was a pretty explicit case of unfounded paranoia, but ultimately, this entire situation ended up being a high for my game, because I was able to make Eevee realize how big of a FTC threat Carson was, causing him to vote Carson over me. Eevee said himself that he was blinded by his loyalty (both in our chat and in his responses to the vote questions!) and he thanked me for helping him realize how big of a threat Carson was (you're welcome by the way! lol I would show logs but this reply is already hella long so I'll wait for a later question to come up). I was very relieved that I was able to get Carson's right-hand man to vote him out at Final 4 because it meant that I wouldn't have to deal with firemaking (which, in all honesty, I probably would have choked), so yeah that was definitely a high for me alright i know i rambled and probably took way too much time to answer that question, i'm done now, thanks for the question vooper ToniXY "Why did you vote who you did every vote since the double elim? I want some reasoning. Once again, well played to all of you and good luck."
Hey Toni, thanks for the question. You mentioned that you helped connect me to Schia and other Tahiti people, which I mentioned in my opening speech as well. I am very grateful for that and I want to thank you for all of the help throughout the game - simply put, I wouldn’t be in FTC right now if it weren’t for you (as cheesy as it sounds, it’s true, and I think you know that too lmao). I went into each individual elimination with my speech, but I’ll go more into depth here for you. Xinc - After deciding here that I would be flipping on the Big Group alliance (for reasons explained in my speech, but tl;dr I didn’t see myself winning if I was in a Final 6 with FTC threats like Vooper/Toni/Ani/Milo, and sticking with the 5 person alliance put me in a strong middle position since I felt like I would be on the bottom at Final 6 if I stuck with Big Group), Xinc was the easiest vote for me to push because not many people on the other side had talked to him and I was worried that Milo would leak the vote if we tried to push either Toni or Ani. Xinc was also one of the two people who suggested my name as a vote during the double-elimination, so I didn’t have an issue doing the same (sorry Xinc). At the same time, I had the fewest connections with Xinc, and felt that Ani/Toni/Vooper would never vote for me at Final 8 or Final 7 due to my past connections with all three of them, whereas I could’ve seen Xinc trying to convince Milo or Darkness to flip at the next vote by suggesting my name as a potential target (I doubt I would’ve been targeted even if I hadn’t won immunity at Final 8, but I wanted to be safe instead of sorry). XY - Carson/Eevee had settled on Vooper as the vote here, which I was fine sheeping, but after a conversation with Vooper over voice chat, I felt like I had stronger ties to Vooper and that I would feel more comfortable working with him if I needed to flip someone at Final 7 or Final 6. You had been sending me messages in our individual chat telling me that I would lose to Caron and Milo in the Final 3 (all true statements), which made me feel like you were still upset with me and would’ve been the least likely to try and work with me if things started getting weird at Final 7 or Final 6. Another reason was that Milo seemed to be warming up to the idea of flipping back to you/Ani at the Final 7, and I saw that as a very unfavorable position for me to be in as I didn’t want to flip a second time in the merge. I also felt that keeping you and Ani around would’ve given Milo the opportunity to strong-arm me into a vote on Carson or Eevee at the Final 7, which would’ve forced me to reveal my cards too early. Luckily, after planting seeds within Darkness’s mind about me being potentially interested in voting you out over Vooper, I was able to let him think he masterminded the vote against you (because he had “convinced” me), which I felt set me up for an even better position in the Final 7, as every player in the game would’ve still needed to rely on my support if they wanted their intended vote to happen. I also still saw you as a FTC threat, even if you don’t think you were (which might be true tbh). Anyways, long story short, you were the best vote for my game because 1) I felt that I had better chances working with Vooper at F7/F6 if I needed to, and 2) It denied Milo the opportunity to strong-arm me into a vote that I didn’t like at Final 7. Also, a quick “fun fact”: this is where Darkness and I officially employed our “Night Time Vote” strategy, which he mentioned briefly in his speech. Essentially, we would wait until the middle of the night (when everyone was asleep) to tell people that we wanted to switch the vote, so that people wouldn’t have the chance to talk to each other and flip the vote back. Your vote was the first time we pulled this off effectively, as I ended up telling Milo in the middle of the night that I was voting you over Vooper, which didn’t give him any time to flip the vote or talk to Carson/Eevee. Vooper - I definitely would’ve loved to work with Vooper here if it seemed like Carson/Eevee were planning on trying to flip, but the situation never arose and unfortunately, it was better for me to stick with the 5 person alliance than to rock the boat any more than I already had. Vooper was seen as the most likely player to have won crucial challenges immunities (Final 5 and Final 4) so I wanted to take a shot at him before he could have the chance to win his way to FTC. Also, contrary to Vooper’s beliefs, I don’t think anybody in the game saw him as a FTC goat, and I know I for sure would have lost to him if I sat next to him in the FTC. Overall, it was a combination of him being a challenge threat, him being a FTC threat, and nobody in the alliance really seeing a need to break away from each other at that point in time. Ani - Milo was pushing hard for me to flip here with him and Ani to vote out Carson, and I saw that as really unfavorable for my game because 1) I’d lose a potential F5/F4 shield and 2) Voting out Carson gave Milo the opportunity to vote me out at Final 5 by flipping either Darkness or Eevee (most likely the latter) to vote with him and Ani (who I’m sure would’ve had no issue voting me out after I had stabbed him twice earlier in the game) against me. Ani had to be the vote here because, once again, I viewed him as the most likely to have won crucial immunities and I knew he was still upset at me for stabbing me earlier in the game. Eevee had no choice but to vote out Ani here since his only other option was Carson (which was great for my game since I knew Eevee was close to Ani based on conversations I had with Darkness and Vooper), which once again made me the deciding vote for this elimination. I took advantage of this position by, once again, letting Darkness believe he was “convincing” me to vote out Ani (I came to him saying that I was leaning towards voting Carson, when in reality I was 100% voting for Ani, but I just wanted Darkness to think he had a level of control over me so that he’d be less likely to vote me out at Final 5) and by not telling Milo that I was actually voting Ani so that he’d keep his vote on Carson, making the latter target him at the Final 5. Ultimately, voting out Ani here put me in the best position for Final 5, whereas voting out Carson (or anyone else really) would’ve given other players the opportunity to use Ani at the Final 5 to vote me out. I avoided this entire situation altogether by sticking to my vote on Ani. Milo - With Ani voted out, my plan for the rest of the game was to have Carson voted out at Final 5 and stab Milo at the Final 4, given that they were the two remaining FTC threats. Because Milo had left his vote on Carson at the last vote (due to me intentionally not telling him that I was voting for Ani), Carson (and by extension Eevee) were now setting their sights on getting Milo voted out. Carson came to me informing me that Milo had thrown my name out to him and Eevee, but I wasn’t too concerned since Milo had told me about this hours prior. However, what Milo didn’t tell me about was him talking to Darkness and pushing my name as a potential vote to Darkness (this is information that I got from Darkness). This freaked me out as I was convinced that Milo was now either trying to make me tie with another player or get Carson/Eevee to vote me out. At this point, Darkness and I were convinced that Carson didn’t have Final 4 immunity, as Darkness had leaked logs of his chat with Eevee/Carson showing Eevee and Carson saying what they had won from the final challenge (which is also how I knew that Eevee won Final 6 immunity), and in their chat Carson stated that he thought the hosts forgot about him when they were giving out prizes. Once I realized that Milo was more likely to have Final 4 immunity than Carson was, I decided to flip my vote and get Milo voted out. Truth be told, when I made my original vote plan (Carson at F5 and Milo at F4), I wasn’t terribly concerned about sticking to it, as the only thing that really mattered was Carson and Milo being voted out before Final 3. At this point, Milo was the safest vote since he would’ve been the most likely to have had immunity at Final 4, and he was a big FTC threat. Carson - I think the reasoning behind this one is pretty obvious, but long story short, if Carson were in the FTC he auto-wins. Nearly everybody told Carson in their goodbye messages that they had no ill will towards him, so he seemed like the favorite to win at that point in the game. I’d also like to bring some light to this vote, since I don’t think it was entirely clear when I mentioned this in my response to Vooper’s question: Eevee was actually going to vote me out and keep Carson in the game. This changed when I went to Eevee and literally told him that he loses if Carson is in Final 3. Logs, if you’re curious: pastebin.com/dZnsDPEWI actually had to work a little bit more than I anticipated to get this vote to happen, since I wasn’t expecting Eevee to need a conversation explaining to him that Carson auto-wins FTC to make him realize that Carson auto-wins FTC. Nevertheless, Carson was the main FTC threat here, meaning he had to be voted if I wanted to have a chance of winning. Xinc "Why do you think I believe you deserve to win, as compared to your peers?"
“Carson, you played me good. I can respect that. I shouldn't have blindly trusted some of you guys- that came and bit me. Be wary, friends, as the way this stands, you need to band together, or else you will never reach the truth. On a lighter note, I ended up staying in longer than expected.”
This was your goodbye message after you had been eliminated from the game. Based on this statement and from the few conversations we had together, you seem to respect someone who played the game well and hard, even if it meant that they ended up outplaying you.
I’m sure you know by now that I was the main person who orchestrated the blindside against you (along with Milo/Darkness/Carson of course, I don’t want to take away any credit from them at all). Ultimately, I felt that my best chance of getting to the end and winning this game would be by sticking with Eevee/Carson/Darkness/Milo since I felt like I was on the bottom of Big Group, and I couldn’t see myself getting any further than Final 6 (and even if I did, I would never win in a FTC against anybody else in Big Group). I had the least connections with you and I felt more comfortable leaving Toni/Ani/Vooper in the game (people that I had past relationships with) over someone that I had only started talking to at the merge.
My blindside against you/Vooper/Ani/Toni definitely was not personally motivated or out of spite at all, and I’m sorry if I ever gave off the impression that this was the case. I never wanted to personally hurt any of you, and every decision I made in this game was one-hundred percent strategically motivated. If I hurt any of your guys’ feelings at any point in the game, I am truly sorry and I hope you can forgive me for that. Compared to Eevee and Darkness, I'm personally struggling to find a move that they can truly call their own that wasn't just a result of what other players wanted at the time, and I do believe that part of the reason why they're in FTC is because they were lucky at certain points in the game that the tide was changing in their favor. At the end of the day, however, I wouldn’t take back any of the plays that I made in the game, because I fully believe that I had to make the moves I made if I wanted to have a chance at getting to FTC and winning the game. I played this game hard to get myself in the positions that I maintained throughout the game. When all is said and done, I hope you can respect the way that I played (even if it involved blindsiding you) since it’s what I had to do if I wanted to get to the end.
Moonool "For Whydon: Looking back at my elimination, I came up with a plan to take you, Milo, Dark and Eevee to the f4. You quickly rejected it, went behind my back and revealed it. From the looks of things, you had a guaranteed way of getting there with an established alliance, what made you turn your back of them, and why should they give you their vote now?"
To be completely honest, I’m kinda confused by your question since I don’t remember ever intentionally trying to expose the final 4 plan to anyone else in the game (and Milo/Dark/Eevee/myself all ended up in the Final 5 anyways), but I can definitely see why it might’ve seemed like I was, so I’ll try to explain my thought process during that vote a little bit more. During your vote I was stuck pretty firmly between two sides: the Big Group (which consisted of Tonga 4 + me/Milo) and the 4 person alliance that I had with you/Milo/Darkness/myself + Eevee (who was sheeping Darkness on this vote), with Gateways and Carson kinda doing their own thing.
At some point during the early hours of the double-elimination, I had told someone (can’t remember who, I think it was Gateways?) that if a player from East Polynesia had to get voted, it should be one of Toni/Ani, mainly because I didn’t want to tell Gateways to his face that he was going to be the easy vote from East Polynesia. Word of this got back to Vooper, who asked me about it (and eventually Ani messaged me about it as well), and to avoid being targeted by the Tonga 4 I had to feed them some information about what was going on with the “other side”, and thus I mentioned that there was a potential group forming that wanted to target Vooper, but I don’t believe I ever explicitly stated that the group was a Final 4 (someone correct me if I’m wrong). Big Group was already beginning to settle on you as the first vote since you were being pretty adamant about the vote for that tribal, and they were beginning to get suspicious about your true motives, but I believe that revealing even just the possibility of such an alliance existing helped push the second vote onto Gateways and away from someone like Darkness/Eevee, ensuring that the new Final 4 alliance survived the vote.
Although it might’ve seemed like I was rejecting your plan for me/Dark/Milo/Eevee to get to the Final 4, I pretty much managed to carry it out, but just on slightly different terms that benefitted me in the long run (mainly not giving Toni/Ani/Vooper the ammo to potentially orchestrate a blindside against me after Xinc had been voted out, and eliminating the unpredictable and unreliable Gateways). I solidified my commitment to the alliance by voting out Xinc over Carson at the Final 9, and I remained loyal all the way up to Final 5 until we had to vote out Milo because we literally didn’t have a choice if we wanted to have a chance at winning in the end. Ultimately, we did manage to carry out your plan because Carson used his vote-steal at the Final 9 (even though it was supposed to be Darkness xD), ensuring that we had the majority, and the rest of the Tonga 4 was eliminated in subsequent order. I don’t think Milo is going to vote me, but I believe you two should still vote for me because, although it may not have looked like it, all of the moves I made after the double-elimination were to keep this alliance safe, since if I had chosen to stick with Big Group at Final 9, Darkness and Eevee would’ve certainly been eliminated at some point between Final 8 and Final 6. Unfortunately, I had to break the deal and vote out Milo at the end, but only because I could never stand a chance against Milo in the FTC, and both Darkness and Eevee (who also voted out Milo) can attest to this. Ultimately, all of this was done in your memory, and at the very least I hope you were happy to see the alliance you created make it to the Final 5!
Gateways "Who, among the other two players in FTC, deserves to win, and why?"
As someone who worked very closely with Darkness for the duration of this game, I think there’s a lot he did in the game that isn’t being translated well through his FTC. He and I talked a lot about the votes, especially after Xinc’s vote, which explains why we voted together on every single vote throughout the merge phase. He demonstrated a very impressive level of game awareness and he was the one feeding me the most information about the Carson/Eevee dynamic as we were approaching the Final 5/4. I don’t necessarily think he “masterminded” any moves like he claims he did, since most of the votes that he wanted couldn’t have happened without my support (which didn’t really matter since we had pretty much the exact same agendas, but still), but he set out a plan for himself and managed to fulfill a large portion of that plan by remaining loyal to players like me, Milo, and Carson. I don’t think his name was ever seriously mentioned once as a potential vote during the merge phase, and he did a good job of flying under the radar and letting bigger players get all of the blood on their hands. I feel like he and Eevee played very similar games, but the reason why I give more credit to Darkness is because Eevee seemed to be a bit out of the loop most of the time (especially at Final 4 when he needed to be convinced to vote out Carson despite the latter being a clear FTC threat) and was mostly just sheeping Carson throughout the game, whereas although Darkness kinda attached himself to me as a player, he still made an effort to branch out and talk to other players to get info, something that I never really saw Eevee do (from my perspective). So yeah, hopefully I didn’t explain Darkness’s game *too* well lmao, but I would probably vote for him if the Final 2 was him and Eevee. Personally, I’ve lost a little bit of respect for Eevee’s game for attempting to paint Darkness and myself as people who “lie for fun.” I can understand trying to argue against why your game should be considered to be superior to your opponents’, but I honestly get the impression that Eevee is pulling whatever he can here since he can’t actually find anything mechanically wrong with the way that Darkness and I played the game. He mentions me being a “flipper” as a reason why I shouldn’t win, which doesn’t really make sense to me because I honestly can’t see how flipping when I did was bad for my game at all (other than making some members of the jury upset, of course, and I’m willing to take the loss if I didn’t manage the jury well enough) when honestly the main reason why I’m even in the Final 3 is because I flipped when I did. It’s clear he’s trying to appeal to the people who are upset towards me for flipping, which is perfectly fine, but I’m honestly a little bit offended that he’s trying to paint “flipping” as an objectively bad game move, when it really isn’t imo? Idk that’s just my opinion. The “lying for fun” thing doesn’t really make sense to me either since I only ever lied for strategic reasonings (as I explained in my speech and in my response to Ani’s question) and nothing else. Whenever I told a lie, I wasn’t thinking “huehuehue what fabrication can I make up now > ”, I was thinking “Hmm, it’s probably best for me not to be completely truthful with this person for XYZ reasons”. Eevee never really had to lie to anyone in the game because frankly, his merge game was pretty straightforward since, if you knew how Carson was voting you knew how Eevee was voting, whereas Darkness and I were caught in the middle a lot of the time and had to tell lies to people in order to maintain our position in the game. As we were preparing our Final 3 speeches, I got the impression that Eevee was fishing for information from me about the game, and I chose not to give him much because I assumed he would try to use that information as a way to make it seem like he knew more about the game than he actually did (which is exactly what he did lol), so Eevee if you’re curious, I didn’t lie to you for fun, I lied to you because you were giving me a vibe like you were planning on using my words against me (words that I said AFTER Carson had been voted out, when FTC was already happening!). So yeah, I’d probably vote for Darkness tbh, just because I think he played a stronger game overall, and has been rather respectful to both Eevee and I during this FTC. That being said, I definitely think Eevee also played a great game, and I can easily see arguments being made for both of their games. Bugs (another long one)"To whydon, what was your strategy throughout the game that proves you should win?"
Hi ILB, thanks for the question! Sorry we didn’t get to talk more during the game, I was genuinely trying during East Polynesia, but unfortunately, real-life got in the way and I don’t think we ever had a good chance to talk. You definitely seem like a cool dude though and I was happy to be able to play with you on both French Poly and East Poly My strategy throughout the game was “don’t die”, which I’m sure can be said for everyone else who played the game. Out of the 72 players in the game, only 3 players managed to achieve this goal, but I believe the thing that makes me stand out from both Darkness and Eevee is the way that I executed my strategy and the way that I was able to never be seen as a target, even though I was making flashy moves and big plays. Let me elaborate: At the beginning of the game, I wanted to lay low and just ride out the waves for as long as it benefited me. This is exactly what I did on both Raitea and French Polynesia #1, where I voted with the majority every single time and continued to vote out inactives without making too many waves. Throughout this time, I was building relationships and connections with players like Toni, Eevee, and Darkness, while continuing to hide the idol that I had received on Raitea to ensure that nobody ever had a reason to target me during the game. Things got a little bit messy when Hihylive attempted to paint me as the snake on French Poly #1, but with the idol in my pocket and my growing bonds with both AYIA and Darkness, I wasn’t terribly worried about going to another tribal council. I enacted the same strategy at the beginning of French Polynesia #2, as I continued to reach out to every single player in the game and made an effort to start conversations with each and every other player. This benefited me as I was eventually added to a core alliance called 5 Survive due to Fort and VigVig both seeing me as trustworthy based on the conversations I had with them. With Darkness in the alliance as well, I maintained my bond with him while forming new relationships with Milo and Moon. The first vote was, once again, another under the radar vote, as I had no connections to Tommy and realized that I didn’t have any reason to go against the majority at this point. My strategy changed drastically at the next vote, and this is where I began to become a much more active and involved player. Realizing that Darkness and I were 2 v 3 in an alliance of 5, it became apparent that sticking with 5 Survive would not be good in the long-term because it meant that someone from the 5 Survive would have to be voted out before the next swap. At the same time, Darkness had told me that Fort told him that Fort had won 2 god battles, making the latter a big threat in terms of challenge and advantage potential. At this point, Darkness had proven himself to be a rather reliable source of information, and I didn’t want to lose him (or my idol) so early into the game. I devised a plan with Darkness to flip on 5 Survive and form a new majority with Milo and Moon, both who had originally proposed the plan to us (although Darkness and I already had plans to flip even before Moon came to us). I secured my position in the game by flipping on Fort at the next vote, ensuring that I wouldn’t have to worry about being voted out before the next swap. We eliminated big threats like Fort and VigVig from the game, and at the same time, I was securing my relationships with Moon/Darkness/Milo and created the first 2p+ alliance in the game that I truly felt solid with. Swap happened again, and I was put onto East Polynesia. I quickly reconnected with Toni, Milo, and ILB, while reaching out to new faces like Gateways, Grime, and Ani. My relationship with Toni put me in Ani’s good graces, and with Milo being my other closest ally on the tribe, we formed a group called “Tawmi XY”, a 4-person alliance of me/Milo/Toni/Ani, while I formed a separate Final 3 deal with Toni and Ani. I continued to talk with my many allies on the tribe, and soon I became a funnel of information as I quickly learned that Grime/Gateways were close, Alex/ILB were close, and Alex was gunning for me/Milo after eliminating his allies on French Poly #2. Although I was inactive for the two first votes due to traveling, my strong relationships ensured that I was never really at danger of being voted off, which allowed me to take a backseat approach for the first two votes and let Milo to do all of the scrambling. I continued to lay low while striking deals with players like Gateways to keep me protected on all fronts, and Alex/Grime/ILB, 3 players who had all thrown my name out at some point as a potential vote, were voted out from the game. It was also at this time that the best alliance in the game, East Polynesia Clown Memes, was formed. #neverforget :pensiveclown: Finally, the merge hit, and I (along with Milo) found myself firmly in between two sides: the “Tonga 4” Side (Vooper/Ani/Toni/Xinc) and the “other” side (Moon/Darkness/Eevee/Carson), with Gateways playing the middle as well. I continued to employ the same strategy that I came into the game with, and I laid low while forming connections with other players in the game, while being sure not to give away too much information to other players in the game so that I could maintain my position. The Tonga 4 settled on Moon as one of the votes, and I revealed to Big Group that a final 4 with a plan to take out Vooper was potentially in the works. With Gateways being exposed as trying to play both sides, the vote was diverted away from Darkness/Eevee and landed onto Gateways, which allowed me to eliminate the only other player in the game who was actively trying to play both sides (besides Milo, but Milo and I had a strong bond at this point in time, and we had very similar agendas). When Final 9 hit, I found myself in a power position with the ability to decide how the rest of the game would play out, and I began to analyze different scenarios in my head. I realized that sticking with Big Group would probably get me to Final 6, but I didn’t see how I could get any further than that since Toni/Ani were seemingly closer to Xinc/Vooper, and vice versa. Once again, I asked myself “How can I make sure I’m not the vote for weeks to come?” and I decided that voting out Xinc now would put me in the best position possible, as I could continue to ride the middle (as Toni/Ani/Vooper would need to rely on me if they wanted to survive) and remain safe from F8 - F6 without having to rely on immunity wins. F8 to F6 went rather smoothly, and despite the fact that I didn’t have a single immunity win from Final 7 to Final 4, I only ever received one vote from Carson at F4, despite the fact that I was the main person responsible for blindsiding an alliance of 6. Eevee claims he was the link between Darkness/Carson that led to the Xinc vote happening, which I don’t think is true since I was the one who told Darkness to reach out to Carson about me potentially wanting to flip (I wanted Carson to come to me personally to make sure that he was trustworthy), and given that Carson was doing whatever he could to survive at this point, I doubt that any preexisting bond between Darkness/Carson would have influenced whether or not Carson reached out to me about flipping (whereas Eevee didn’t even say a word to me about the vote). The Final 5 and Final 4 votes were pretty straightforward, with Milo and Carson both seen as the biggest FTC threats at this point. My relationship with Darkness ensured that I was on the right side of the vote every single time, while at Final 4 I was able to convince Eevee to change his mind and vote out Carson over me. Ultimately, I achieved what I had set out for myself to do at the beginning of the game: survive. I did this through various methods: sometimes I laid low and just let the flow of the game go as it pleased, but when I began to realize that sticking with the flow would be detrimental to my survival in the long run, I made active decisions to turn the tide and turn the flow of the game in a direction that ensured I would be one of the three people sitting in the FTC. I managed to stick out of the crowd while blending in at the exact same time. This was extremely difficult to pull off and involved taking a lot of risks throughout the game, and luckily those risks paid off because I’m here now in the FTC. Simply put, I should win this game because not only did I fulfill the fundamental aspect of Survivor, which is to survive, but I did it in a way that didn’t just involve attaching myself to a bigger player, asking them who I should vote, and then going offline to sleep. I was actively involved in every major decision that was made on each of my tribes, I consistently maintained the highest level of power throughout the merge portion of the game, evident by the fact I was the person that people came to when they needed to flip the vote and get the numbers on their side. Yet somehow, I managed to maintain the same low-threat level that Eevee and Darkness enjoyed, despite the fact that I was the player making moves, orchestrating votes, and getting blood on my hands. Eevee, Darkness, and I were never really in danger during the merge, but the main difference is that I was never in danger because I was changing the landscape of the game to ensure that I was always in the best position possible, whereas Darkness and Eevee were never in danger because they were in the right place at the right time (which is certainly respectable in its own right, don’t get me wrong). At the end of the day, the three of us are in the final tribal council, and we’re all considered survivors, no matter how we ended up playing the game. However, when deciding who you want to vote, I ask you to consider this: do you want to vote for the people who survived the cold night by being near a fire that someone else made, or do you want to vote for the person who made the fire? AYIA "What was your strategy going into the game and how did that change by the end?"
This is very similar to ILB’s question, so if you want a more in-depth response I’d refer to that question, so I’ll just make this quick and informative.
My strategy going into the game was “don’t die for as long as possible by forming relationships and maintaing a strong social game”, and while I think the ways that I executed this strategy evolved as I progressed through the game, my gameplay was always centered around making sure that I was never the vote at the next elimination. Essentially, every week I was asking myself “How can I make sure I’m not voted out this week?”, and that guided my strategy for the entirety of the game. The way that I executed this strategy definitely changed throughout the game, however. As I explained in my speech, during the beginning of the game I was mostly just laying low and not really leading any votes as it wasn’t necessary and would’ve just made me a target during the early portion of the game. This changed on French Poly #2 when I realized that sticking with 5 Survive would force me to either use the idol on myself and risk losing a close ally in Darkness, or risk being voted out altogether. Thus, I took the driver’s seat on the tribe and helped orchestrate the blindside against Fort, VigVig, and peach. On East Polynesia, I went back to my more lowkey gameplay as I used my relationship with Toni/Ani/Milo to keep me safe while they pushed for Alex/Grime/ILB to be the votes. Doing this made me seem like a reliable sheep (imo) in the eyes of Toni/Ani, which set me up pretty well for the double-elimination at merge as I was pulled into another core alliance on the tribe. Realizing that sticking with Big Group would get me 6th place at best, I orchestrated a second flip in the game by getting Xinc voted out and the rest of the Tonga 4 voted out after that. I used big targets in the game to shield myself at F6/F5/F4, and although I had been one of the most involved players in the game in terms of blindsides and flips, I was never seen as the main threat at any point in the end-game, which got me to the Final 3 despite not having a single immunity from Final 7 to Final 4.
Ultimately, my strategy of not dying by lieu of my social game pretty much lasted from the beginning to the end of the game, as I didn’t need to win challenge immunities to remain safe throughout the game. I used my relationships with players like Toni and Darkness to network in between different alliances, allowing me to become the game’s information hub come merge. I was never seriously targeted at any point in the game (other than by Schia for a brief time on French Poly #1 and Carson at F4) and I was added to every single core alliance that existed on every tribe that I was a part of (except for Raitea, which didn’t really have a core alliance since literally everybody distrusted each other). The way I executed this strategy definitely changed a lot throughout the game, but my general strategy never really changed to be completely honest. Thanks for the question!
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Post by theeevee on Aug 22, 2019 23:41:33 GMT
Hello everybody--hope you're all having a jovial morning, day, or evening ^w^ UPDATE: Since Whydon is reinforcing his comments using logs and screenshots, I will be updating my answers to the questions (per the hosts' allowance) with justification. Pay particular attention to the addition of logs under my responses to Xinc in the spoiler below his name!
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Post by zorojuro on Aug 22, 2019 23:58:50 GMT
Zorojuro's (a.k.a darknessshines) Final Tribal Council!First of all I just wanna say thank you to each and everyone especially to the hosts Lucas and Wob for letting me pin them over and over and over again, but more importantly, for making this game possible, enjoyable. Before you continue reading, I highly recommend you read my speech if you haven't done so already. I just want to let you all know that everything I say here is nothing but the truth in my perspective at least, because lying at FTC makes no sense. link to my speech ----> docs.google.com/document/d/175Ot5tthJcdEdaUJnSCZbfo_xAJK1HpyFWGOvoWyPbk/edit?usp=sharing**Jury Q&A** CarsonQ:I don't really have a specific question for you, but I would like for you to talk through your strategy on the first vote of the final merge, just to get a sense of things
A: At the very first tribal council at the final merge we were going to vote out vooper! That plan went down the drain right after Whydon and milo decided to flipped on us. The best gameplay for me is to flip with Whydon and Milo, for I see no point voting with moon because we lacked numbers to vote out vooper and I didn't want to be voted out next because I voted with moon. When I knew Whydon and Milo were flipping I told Vooper what was happening and told him I was with him 100% and that I am willing to vote whoever, to gain his trust and also to go back West Poly strong. I was going to play my idol on Moon, and my Steal-a-vote but I knew of the advantage block, sorry moon my hands were tied. :/ Milo
Q:Black hearts shall be ruined my dude :slight_frown:. My question to you is why sit next to these people in FTC? This F5/F6 you had the power to choose and you chose eevee and whydon over me and ani, why? A:We played a very similar a game, due to us thinking very similarly(it's scary how similar we think, it's like I can read everything you'll do next)!!!! and I feared your game would overshadow how I played mine since you played the social part better than I did by basically making Final 3 with everybody. And I have been planning on voting you off before F5, but F5 was the best time to take you out because I had immunity. And for that to work I needed to vote of Ani instead of carson. For that to work I needed to convince Whydon to vote off ani prior your vote off, so I would have numbers to vote you out, and it'll be the move I can 100% call mine. I also chose to vote out Ani because he was a jury threat and he has a lot of connection. I chose to sit next to Whydon and Eevee because I felt I have more chance of beating them. And I was tight with eevee since Day 1 And I was tight with Whydon since the swap. Sorry dude about the black hearts but all of the things that i told you were genuine except when you were about to be voted off </3."
AniQ: I would like to know what makes your game stand out from Eevee/Whydon’s. What did you do that they didn’t?
A: Good question! We all made moves! We all blindsided most people! We Won immunity! We all flipped at one point. We all Obtained immunity idols. The thing that I did that they didn't is that they did not think of putting hidden messages in their tribal answers! I hope moon told y'all that. Right before I voted off moon, I told him that I would put hidden messages at the next vote. And at the XY vote it proved that i was pulling the strings, because my hidden message when Xinc was voted off was "XY Next". I guess another one is that I won a God Battle and they didn't despite Eevee challenging the poison type twice. Other than that our games are pretty similar because they were my #1 allies and we all voted together, but I'd say Whydon and I were the once deciding the votes and Eevee just went along for every vote. And my game stands out more than Eevee and Whydon because I made a flashier move(milo vote) by voting off 1 of my closest ally at the final merge whereas they just voted with the majority and has not made a flashy move." Vooper
Q:give me as many moves as you can that YOU can take credit for, not carson, not anyone else. Explain why and how you pulled it off and how only you could have. also use this as a way to show you played better than how eevee played as you two filled a similar role
A: This is a long one so buckle up! *Before the the final merge* If this counts as a move then this- at the original French Poly I told Hihy most info he needed to stir the pot and break the core 6 apart! It worked! They ended up putting the blame on whydon, and trust between raiatea and tahiti tribe was just gone. Only I could have done this because Eevee and the others are now afraid to talk to hihy for he could throw their name under the bus, but I kept talking to him regardless because he was a great person .
-At tahiti all moves there was just unanimous until the first blindside(spiderz). Eevee can’t take all the credit for this because bugs just pulled him in the elders group, making his "move" also bug's. Same goes with every vote after that from tahiti and French Poly.
Fort vote Whydon and I were in the middle. But Whydon decided too quickly to side with milo and moon so the votes at that point are 3-3 and I get to decide who goes. At that point I could have decided to work with Fort, Vigvig, and peach. I took my time trying to assess which path was better and I decided to blindside Fort. Though I can see why Whydon can also claim this as his move.
*Final Merge*
Xinc vote Xinc told me everything, because we kinda had a no label alliance. He told me that they were voting Carson and he told me who exactly was voting who. It was The 4 neo-Tonga. So after he told me I told Carson and Eevee individually(they wouldn’t have known because xinc only told me and probably milo as well). But before I told them I talked to Milo, and he was down to flip on them but they were worried about eevee and carson, because he doesn't trust them. Then we eventually filled in whydon. After I made sure they are going to vote with me, that's when i told carson and eevee. I knew carson and eevee would flip against neo-tonga because they were clearly being targeted. Eevee and I are close (which no one knew) so I dont need to worry about his loyalty since he does tend to just go with the majority. I was basically the glue (bridge) to this alliance and they trusted me enough to form the “5 Memebers” group which resulted to a xinc vote. Without me that alliance would have never existed and neo tonga would have ruled the game.
Xy vote It was going to be you(vooper), who was going home that night. Everybody wanted you out, but i didn’t(yes i pretended that i also wanted you out so they won’t view me as the one dictating where the vote goes). I did not want you, vooper, out yet because west Poly would have had only 3 people left vs East who would have had 4, and i didnt want to give ani and xy their power position back, since they are a power couple. So I talked to Carson and Eevee with the argument of the east poly having majority and told them that the votes should be either be xy/ani. I did push for the xy vote because my hidden message from my tribal answers said “XY Next”, and at that point I have been talking to ani(mostly listening to him rant about those conniving bitches LMAO) and we got along pretty well. He also just fed me a lot of useful information, like milo forming a final 3 alliance with ani/xy. Because of that info I was able to make whydon vote for xy. And if that wasn’t enough, I also sent whydon a pastebin created by xy(i think) saying that “it’s whydon”(referring to the snake that told hihy the plan). So thats 4 votes against xy and we only needed one more(milo). I told milo very late at night(so he can’t strategize with other people) about the plan shifting to xy, but i didnt tell him who shifted it. I also told ani that the vote shifted to xy, so ani can still trust me the following day. I’m taking credit for this vote because I was the one who made it possible for the voper to xy vote happen.
Ani vote(final 6) The ani vote was definitely my move. At this point milo created a final 3 with whydon and ani. And milo was pretty adamant on voting Carson at this vote and he did vote for carson(so he would have the majority with ani next vote). If they had majority I can no longer have the numbers to vote off milo. So I talked to whydon about the vote and he also would like to vote off Carson. I didn’t tell anyone that I won immunity @f5 because I didn’t want to be the target and so they can think that there is a chance ani won F5, and F4. By not telling Whydon(or anybody) that I won F5 I told him the possibility that ani might be immune until F4. It took a long time to convince whydon but I managed to make him flip his vote. Eevee and carson couldn’t have made this move happen because they were not close enough to whydon to convince him to flip.
Proof that whydon didn’t want to vote for ani but I got him to.
Milo vote (final 5) At this point both of my final 3 alliance made it(milo/whydon and carson/eevee). I had all the power to pick which one will get voted off because I was the swing vote and i have immunity. I chose to eliminate milo at final 5 because I was 100% sure that Carson didn’t have F4 immunity, and that there is going to be a tie between him and whydon @f4 and in case a tie did happen, carson would get voted out because he has already accumulated 13 votes! Whydon can’t claim that this was his move even though this is what he wanted because he voted for carson at that vote.
Carson vote I could’ve claimed this move if the host hadn't change the rules about the tie votes -_-
Whydon agrees that I can take the credit for the ani, and milo vote :3
Yes people took part in the votes I claimed but I gave them the incentive to vote for that person, thus making me the person responsible for their vote off (and if you think the move I listed there are not mine, it is fine, its your opinion). XYQ:Why did you vote who you did every vote since the double elim? A: There’s a more detailed answer in my speech. I’ll just make it concise, so i dont repeat myself. Double elimination- I voted for moon because Vooper wanted me to vote for moon, and to prove that he can trust me. Also because I still wanted to stay West Poly strong after. I didn’t see any point voting with moon because everybody is voting how Vooper wanted it to be(except gateways)Xinc- As I’ve mentioned I still wanted to go West Poly strong. Later that day Xinc talked to me to vote with them(The Neo-tonga) to take out Carson. I just couldn’t let neo-Tonga pick us off one by one. I saw this as an opportunity to get Carson on my side. Since I already had eevee, milo and Whydon on my side, all I needed to do was to make sure we all voted together, because at that point carson and eevee doesn’t trust milo and whydon and vice versa.Xy- Vooper was originally going, but it didn’t make sense for my game, because East Poly would just dominate us(West poly), and knowing that milo is pretty close with Ani, the chances of East Poly voting off all of West Poly was pretty high! So I hinted Whydon that I want XY out because milo/ani/xy are a trio. Being left out of that trio I was pretty sure that Whydon would vote with me. I then talked to Carson to vote for xy and we told eevee later, and told milo way later :3(sorry milo).Vooper- I voted for vooper because he is an obvious challenge threat and jury threat. And it was the time when he didn’t have immunity, and everybody was on board.Ani- I voted ani out because he is a jury threat and because I knew I wanted to vote out milo next. In order to make milo powerless next vote ani needed get voted off first!Milo- This was the hardest vote for me, because I was very close with milo. I was really considering going to F3 with him and whydon. But I knew I had no chance of beating him. It was so hard picking between him and Carson, that’s why I voted 2hrs before the deadline.Carson- I voted Carson out because he was obviously going to winAnd Yea xy, we barely got to talk because for some reason you are on when I am not and vice versa :/ I would love to talk to you though, just ping me when you feel like it XincQ:Why do you think I believe you deserve to win, as compared to your peers? A: Before I answer that, I would like to defend myself from eevee’s false “accusations” and argument why I do not deserve to win He proclaimed that I didn’t contribute to Tribe Challenges despite my abundance of free time. Yes, I did tell him after the carson vote that I threw challenges but never said all challenges! I mostly threw Individual challenges as a strategy. If I threw all tribal challenges then why was I the one with the highest score in this challenge;
CHALLENGE RESULT HEREThe only tribal challenge I threw was the puzzle challenge. 2 reasons why. If ever I solve 1 puzzle, people would think I solved the puzzle where you could win an idol, and I was right to think that because people thought that vooper had an idol. 2nd reason, I knew bugs was in trouble, and as 1 of my closest ally I wanted to protect him even if I'm not on the same tribe as him. Turns out I didn't need to throw this challenge because those puzzles were hard.He also said I had a lot of free time. I don’t know how he came up with that conclusion but he did know I work. I am also a father of 2 toddlers and I work full-time, so there is no way I would have lots of free time. I came into this game knowing I need to sacrifice activity or my sleep. I chose to sacrifice my sleep because I knew people would just vote off AFKs.I told Eevee my strategy after carson was voted off, but he still thinks I’m lying. I really don’t see any point lying after Final 3 that’s why I told him I had an idol that expired @f7, and that I won immunity at F5. But he still questions my game about me throwing the challenges and acting dumb I guess to downplay my game. By acting dumb (by acting dumb I mean pretend that I am not a strategic player).Here in my confessional, I told Lucas my strategy. I guess you can just ask lucas to confirm it. You can also ask him if I really did win a God Battle.And at the Scavenger Hunt Challenge, yes what eevee said there was true. But what you guys didn’t know is that I never saw the questions or the rules and never got to do the actual challenge(because velvet quit), because I do challenges late at night after work. When I saw Lucas posted the answers and questions, I told eevee that I could’ve just googled it. I disagree that I lied when I did not need to. I lied about not winning the god battle because I wanted to keep that information to myself just in case someone wants to backstab me, and it has been apparent that if people think you got an idol they would want to vote you out. I lied about that probably the same reason why eevee did not tell me he won an idol. I also lied about the Final 5 immunity because I didn’t want to get voted off before I get immunity. Very late at night, I came to whydon trying to convince him that Ani should go instead of Carson, I still couldn’t convince him. I brought up the possibility that ani has F5 and F4 and if that was the case ani would win 100%. If I had told Whydon that I had Final 5 immunity then I wouldn't have convinced him to vote for ani. I also told Whydon and Eevee about the “F5” from god battles, because I had already told them that I didn’t win so they would suspect ani to have it, and I needed a reason why I was immune @5. In my opinion that was pure strategy and none of those were lies just for fun. I am eevee’s ally since day 1, and I guess he’s just mad that I didn’t tell him all the information that I know of like how he wanted it to be.I deserve to win because in my opinion I played the best strategically, because I was able to shift the votes to where I wanted it to be. I played very much under the radar. How? First of all by not being a target by pretending that I don't have allies. Eevee didn’t know I was tight with Whydon and vice versa. Eevee only found out when he was reading our speeches XD. And of course none of you taught that eevee and I was a duo, except carson, and probably milo(did you know of this? Is that why you wanted carson gone?). And no one expected me to be a duo with Whydon. I stayed Loyal to the people who I am aligned with until I had to backstab them. Moon Q:From the looks of things, and from the other jury-members, many people think you took a more passive approach to the game, didnt make any moves and were lead others, thus making you less deserving of the win. Do you think that's the case? Why or why not? A: I do not think that is the case. I was definitely not lead by others in fact it was the other way around, because through my connections I managed to make the most powerful alliance being the “5 Memebers” alliance, consisting of me, milo, whydon, carson, and eevee. I shifted the votes many times to go where I wanted it to go. The only reason I wasn’t so vocal about my moves is because I didn’t want to paint a target behind my back until the very end where I voted of milo. Gateways Q:Who, among the other two players in FTC, deserves to win, and why? A: Let’s just say that Eevee and Whydon made it to Final 2 and that I was voted out at F3. I think I would vote for Whydon, because he was able to make many alliances but remain loyal to me. Yes whydon flipped during the double elimination, but I don't think that he flipped a lot as much as you guys would like to think because he voted with the 5Memebers all the time, he was just stuck in the middle but ended up siding with us. And he was in the middle most of the time, and thats a great position to be in.
I picked Whydon over eevee despite our alliance being longer because I really do think Eevee just had a free ticket to FTC, because Whydon and I planned on taking him here. I also think that whydon's game overshadows his poor social game. BugsQ:what were the relationships with the jury that you made to help you survive? A: At the beginning, you and eevee were my very first ally. Both of you definitely helped me out at the second tribal we went to, I was on the chopping block that night but because you were part of the “elders” group my name was once again safe. Then velvet came to sub in and our 4 person alliance made it till the first merge. At the swap, I was with Whydon, and we knew we needed to stick together to survive, and we did! After Tommy got voted off we flipped to milo and moon because I had a feeling that we were merging with 4 people so it was better to side with milo and moon. And our four person alliance promised that we would stick together. At the second merge we were split, but I was luckily still with moon. Moon helped me survive here because his relationship with vooper helped us gain majority(me, moon, eevee, carson, vooper), and of course my relationship with eevee helped me survived because by association carson became my ally. Final merge came, and moon’s Kamikazee plan saved our alliance but he was sadly voted off. Before the double elimination Xinc and I were already pretty close, he helped me survive by telling who they were voting for. And with that info Carson trusted me and thus our final 3 with eevee was born. But what people didn’t know was that I was tight with Whydon, and we decided to make our duo and trio with milo a secret, because duos were ussually targeted. I would say Carson helped me the most because he was our meat shield, he would always recieve votes instead of us because he is a threat. Ayia
Q: What was your strategy going into the game and how did that change by the end? A: Going in the game, my plan was to talk to everybody and align myself with the majority. Also I wanted to fly under the radar so I can’t be too vocal about my opinions. I also didn’t want to blindside anyone because I knew it's too early for blindside, and everybody would just gang up on me after. I also planned to look for idols(which I only obtained one by winning a God battle) My plan did not end up as I wanted it to be, I was ghosted by multiple people in my tribe, I was targeted twice, because I performed the “worst” at challenges(I performed 4th best out of 9, mostly). But I did achieve having an alliance that would help me get further in the game. When Tahiti and Raiatea merged. Our plan was to stay Tahiti Strong, though Schiavetto left me out. But it didn’t matter to me because my 4 person alliance with bugs, velvet4sale, and eevee was enough to keep me safe. It was then I realized having alliances that people won’t suspect of would be very powerful in this game, and I kept doing that till the very end.Tribe swap came and I was swapped together with whydon from the original French Poly. I had already established a relationship with Whydon pre-swap, so from there we had each other’s back and we proved to be a powerful duo because we found ourselves to be the swing votes. Because we were mostly swing votes, I needed to take notes which person came from which tribe so when the merge happens, they can’t go back together and have majority. This strategy of mine-taking out people who has lots of connections is what helped my decision making coming into the final merge. ie, taking out one of the neo Tonga, east Poly, and other duos or trios.At the Final merge, Whydon and I would always talk strategy at night. And that's when we figured out that no one can shift the votes if they were all SLEEPING. At night the only person who were awake was my trio with milo and whydon, so when Whydon and I would come to an agreement, we would just fill in milo to prevent milo from feeling blindsided and sleep right away. Challenge wise, I would throw challenges so people wont think I’m a threat, but I do try only when I need to.So my strategies coming into this game were; make as much alliances, stay under the radar, don’t stand out by making very big moves, look for idols, not being vocal, and help out with the challenge so people won’t vote me out because of inactivity. At the end of the game, two of those strategies I stuck to, which are not being vocal and staying under the radar. However some of them evolved like making secret alliances(from just making alliances everyone knows about), and being a silent killer(from not making any big moves to not ruffle anyone’s feathers). And some of them I developed throughout the course of the game like; strategizing(shifting the votes) very late at night, breaking up possible majorities(duos, trios, group etc), and the one I am most proud of- writing hidden messages for the jury. Side note: I tried looking for the idol Lucas hid in the thread which very few people knew about but I couldn’t find it. Sorry if you guys think my answers are all over the place. its just because I didn't have enough time this week to get it done earlier
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