Let's talk about Discard Meta. In IDEA setups, especially in the common theme Greater Idea, people use player's discards as a method of scumhunting. Do you feel like this is a valid scumhunting tool or do you feel like it takes away the purpose of playing the game and manufacturing the reads yourself. Does it even help town? Is it even valid / accurate?
It's damning in super certain situations which ends up actually being kinda harming to gameplay Like maybe I don't want to play Weak Jailkeeper but I get scumread for not picking a role that ultimately gives me less chances to be proactive
Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Aug 1, 2019 13:53:27 GMT
Discardmeta is a sham. I despise playing as doctor, and you don't get to put entirely disproportionate amounts of pressure on me for discarding it, or bloodhound, or any other PR whose absence from the game you consider to be a mortal sin just because you can't make reads without night actions. Did you ever stop to think that the scumhunting-cheatcode role you're putting so much stock in is entirely useless if it gets N1NKed? No? Didn't think so.
Anyway. At best, it's a mediocre metric for gauging the credibility of a claim or for guiding an RVS vote. Any desired utility ends there. Certain players' near-ritualistic dependency on discardmeta is symptomatic of towns' larger difficulties with balancing scumhunting with controlled distribution of information, which are both extremely important elements of semi-OSes and role madness setups. Ideas are both, so things get messy quickly if you're reckless. And with discardmeta, it has this nasty habit of turning into either this or this.
discard meta when combined with player meta is broken, specifically for people (like myself) who will never pick scum over town, because when those people have a discard of town it essentially confirms them as town.
i used to discard meta a lot because that's really all i have to go on for the beginning of the day.
as town, discard meta isn't really the best way to tunnel someone d1. some people have roles that the prefer over other roles therefore they pick it even if they discard a really good town role. it's just better to determine someone's alignment using the role they claim instead of just using their discard.
as scum, discard meta is too easy to get away with. it's like too easy to hard push someone d1 for their discard and when they claim, just "[Role] > [Role]?" and normally people don't get off. it also makes it easier to distance from your partner a little when you just focus on one person the whole day, making yourself harder to read later on.
all in all, discard meta really shouldn't be something that town relies on.
also let's say i rolled Mafia Clairvoyant / Mafia Clairvoyant. day start comes and i can just claim clairvoyant and say the alignments and people instantly tr me because "there is no way he got mafia clairvoyant twice". it's like instantly being appointed town leader as scum. and let's say i roll Tracker / Tracker. if i claim tracker with my results, people sr me because of the previous reason. "there's no way he got tracker twice, probably mafia tracker.
i see this less often but it should still be noted for. using luck with their discard to determine if someone is town or not shouldn't exist
both of these scenarios has happened to me so that's why i chose.
as a person who used to abuse discard meta a lot, it's much,much easier to pick the correct rvs this way.that being said,it should be used wisely and you should rarely base late game scumreads on it.it could be argued that players dont learn to actually scumhunt,but,through this,it opens up great plays from scum