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Post by qtball on Aug 12, 2019 13:53:02 GMT
Will actually tilt if I get last second shifted plur lol edward actually omgussed me and said he was gonna “wait before unlynching” 10 hours before deadline
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Post by qtball on Aug 12, 2019 13:53:12 GMT
Someone better fuckin secure plur on him
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 14:19:11 GMT
Updated thoughts on the remainder of day 1, beginning after my first catch-up. Day 1 will likely be reread at some point in its entirety. Plenty of time today to read as work is now done. Ed’s response immediately after my first catch-up fails to address my concerns with him. Saying that you are now trying to promote activity doesn’t address the issues with your posts from before you were doing so. Slept all day yesterday so I figured I’d lynch the strongman Do u imply by this statement that u know of the strongman or do u want the strongman to die first among all the scums? Not seeing the gain from this question. In this and several subsequent posts you ask people to elaborate in this fashion but you’ve drawn few conclusions. Drookez will need to step it up today to remain in my townpile. I want to know his most controversial read. Schia at the bottom of page 7 brings up strong points regarding vooper and I feel better about them seeing examples of their thought process/analysis in their interaction with Mylo. Vooper himself merits engagement, someone make him talk real-time if I don’t get to. Schia and others trying to nullify Mylo’s doctor soft is worse though; perhaps I’m biased due to having softed doctor in the same way but I don’t like invalidating the soft merely because “scum could also do it.” My two strongest townleans at this point (Schia and Thunder) doing this makes me hesitate, though. Zorquax’s page 9 catch-up is actually pretty good; I have him in the same boat as Drookez in that he’ll need to maintain strong posting through Day 2 in order to cement a position as town. lynch Dull Overly worried about looking scummy = scum That’s all I got soz gn lovelies xx More egregious example of what’s so far been a superficial thought process. My grievances with Fort are largely put to rest; during the latter half of Day 1 he’s doing much more with the time he is here. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 14:37:41 GMT
lynch yashgreninjaHe met the post requirements and questioned some actions, but posted effectively nothing of his own. This can be said about a few people. Not a bad vote, but there are others I find worse/in more dire need of pressure. Neo is demonstrating an ability to separate personal playstyle opinions from his analysis, making him slightly >rand town. He has a lot to say in his first post, so here's a lengthy response. -You and voop will both need to talk to me about Ed. -Disagree with your initial scumread on Thunder; I don't see the pocketing narrative emerging just because he called Ani town. Thunder and Ani's page 2 posts are both justifiable outside of this narrative. Thunder giving weak/unexplained reads is also characteristic of Thunder's forum play and NAI; I liked his efforts towards townhunting in addition to scumhunting given the nature of the theme. -Don't like your analysis of vooper page 4. He explains neither the Ed nor the ZoL townread, and in the same sentence you scumread him for not explaining his Zest read while also sheeping his (also unexplained) townread on Ed. No concern with the lack of explanation on the Ed read because you've decided to agree with it, but if you don't agree with a read it makes someone scum. This is independent of your later development on Ed. -Heavy focus on scumreads only. By the end you've left open plenty of potential pushes and are unwilling to commit to calling anyone town. |
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Post by edwardzealchemist on Aug 12, 2019 14:51:56 GMT
Someone better fuckin secure plur on him No need to. Sadly i wanted to observe how the wagons would change which might have helped me to read a possible scum or at the very least secure a scum in my previous scumpool. unlynch tbzI actually want to read into vig now. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 14:58:50 GMT
We see scum outed on page 13. Milo has been killed by the pgo, or else i dont see y mafia or third faction would risk killing the macho doc over the roleblocker claim or the possible black goo. But i think the mafia was hunting for the black goo due to which they shot spiderz/sadnar as it should be their priority kill. It is impossible for 3 kills to take place with only 2 killing fractions, unless ofc milo went to the pgo and died by doccing him. One of sadnar/spiderz kill may have also been while visiting the pgo hence showing that one of the not town who died were os solar god tourist. I really dont see the sk die either bacause it is bp due to which if mafia did target him he shouldve lived instead of dying unless he targetted the pgo as well which is impossible cause then the pgo shouldve died as well. So the not town kills r the black goo and the solar god. The possible player who milo seem to visited is either schia or qtball. As i know milo he wouldnt randomize his doc and he must have docced someone from either his srs to maybe point out a possible pgo or someone from his tr who was in threat of dying n1. The latter one seems more reasonable to me hence lynch schia Good chance of the bolded being TMI from Mafia. Add to that that you've written off the possibility of either "Not Town" flip being Mafia and this is NAGL. Any world in which Mylo wasn't protecting the Roleblocker claim is likely not a valid world. In subsequent posts you jump through hoops to justify the theory that Mylo would switch to protecting a scumread. You double down on an unjustified priority list for Mafia and base your reads on it, supporting my TMI theory. It doesn't work. My remaining concerns are glaring contradictions which Fort already called out and that the latter half of this page is scrambling to backtrack after Schia and Dulla look at you funny. My own take is that Spiderz and Sad were both under-the-radar slots with unimpressive posts and both have scum equity. Possible Survivor potential for Sad. Most speculation on the night is pointless given the number of possible scenarios. I'm not a fan of Dulla's low-analysis vote on Ed, but barring a counterclaim I'm treating them as clear. Heres the possible scums if i am unable to live past this day Tbz/schia=pgo, vig=sk/strongman/princess, fort=sk/strongman/princess Cant find a proper 4th read rn but yeah. It goes without saying that this is anti-spew, though Vigvig's inclusion here combined with his responses are a bad look. Vigvig's posts about Ed aren't bad, but the fact that this is what Vigvig decided to comment on after a Day 1 of sheeping and Level 1 reads is. vooper you wanted an Alex flip for evidence with regards to Schia. Show it to me. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 14:59:32 GMT
Vote: edwardzealchemist
Getting yogurt, back in ten.
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Post by ®➕➕ on Aug 12, 2019 15:01:24 GMT
lynch yashgreninjaHe met the post requirements and questioned some actions, but posted effectively nothing of his own. This can be said about a few people. Not a bad vote, but there are others I find worse/in more dire need of pressure. Neo is demonstrating an ability to separate personal playstyle opinions from his analysis, making him slightly >rand town. He has a lot to say in his first post, so here's a lengthy response. -You and voop will both need to talk to me about Ed. -Disagree with your initial scumread on Thunder; I don't see the pocketing narrative emerging just because he called Ani town. Thunder and Ani's page 2 posts are both justifiable outside of this narrative. Thunder giving weak/unexplained reads is also characteristic of Thunder's forum play and NAI; I liked his efforts towards townhunting in addition to scumhunting given the nature of the theme. -Don't like your analysis of vooper page 4. He explains neither the Ed nor the ZoL townread, and in the same sentence you scumread him for not explaining his Zest read while also sheeping his (also unexplained) townread on Ed. No concern with the lack of explanation on the Ed read because you've decided to agree with it, but if you don't agree with a read it makes someone scum. This is independent of your later development on Ed. -Heavy focus on scumreads only. By the end you've left open plenty of potential pushes and are unwilling to commit to calling anyone town. The post is more aids than usual because mobile I deadass posted like 1 tr (it was a slight tr onto you) so I won’t debate you on that one but in regards to the “you don’t agree with a read making you scum point” I’m positive that I pointed out that I wouldn’t question that particular one because what’s understood doesn’t need to be explained. In my honest opinion Ed had a decent post to start into me questioning his reading comprehension or if we’re playing the same game. To better explain myself it was Zola lack of anything to go off of in regards to read(which I’m assuming is the same reason you called his read on him a hot take) and Ed’s attempt / struggle to be proactive AND IF we decide to play the “x players actions are justified this game because of other forum games” game might i direct you to the day before lylo in the last mafia event where Ed almost got himself lynched because he put his foot in his mouth. |
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Post by ®➕➕ on Aug 12, 2019 15:10:21 GMT
Will address qtball and umbrella thing when have computer
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Post by edwardzealchemist on Aug 12, 2019 15:21:45 GMT
Vote: edwardzealchemistGetting yogurt, back in ten. ^ this is what i was actually waiting for. Either way as tbz is clear as the JOAT, i reread a few of vigs isos d2 but i cant still attain a strong read on vig. I would also like to point out that their r 2 docs, and as milo being a player i know, he wouldve let the second doctor be on the role blocker, this may seem a big assumption but this is one i am willing to make. My whole pgo theory was based of milo NOT visiting the rb and i remained firm on this. Considering this is say he did not doc the rb, and he docced qtball or schia. Prs may be good but protecting a stronger town read or trying to point out a possible scum seems more likely to me as what milo wouldve done. Also i would like yash to put forward a lynch as well. This was the second person whoms lynch i wanted to see while i was on qtball. But either way i want yash to put a lynch forward. |
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Post by edwardzealchemist on Aug 12, 2019 15:25:36 GMT
I have a final hour before i depost my final lynch. I would like to have a proper discussion before i go to sleep because i wouldnt be here during deadline.
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 15:53:56 GMT
ALSO has any sort of survivor claimed? i'd very much want to get that out the way as time is of the essence and i dont want to accidentally spend a day pushing a survivor into last second shifting onto someone else(see d1) Accurate. See the last time this theme was run (Survivor push Day 1, EoD panic leads to lynch on OS Vig). We really should've done this Day 1. Bearing in mind that the Survivor can confirm themselves as such through the use of their role. ❗ today is mirroring some of my own thoughts, most notably on Ed/Vigvig. Tell me how strong you feel in your read on Fort. Ok so i cleared my questions with the host and resolved few of my issues. I will stay on my opinion of spiderz being third faction regardless but i am not sure about sadnar. The following scenarios r possible: 1)If sadnar was os vig, and he did shoot d1 (which still seems highly improbable to me) he most likely shot spiderz whereas mafia killed the doc, and hence sk killed sadnar. 2)If he was by chance a mafia(as according to host mafia r revealed as not town) clearly the sk killed him. I visited sadnar last night and i am alive showing he isnt pgo OR princess so in this case he can only be the strongman(unless i was docced by milo or the other doc but i doubt that). Reason 2 seems more stronger to me due to this i conclude sadnar wasnt mafia and hence a third party.
Me not dying was the main reason i ignored sadnar as a possible mafia and concluded the pgo has lost his shot as well. The little interaction between spiderz and sadnar doesnt convince me that he would shoot spiderz. Because of which i put forward my pgo theory. I overlooked the fact that both mafia, os vig and third faction flipped not town so i was more definite on my read. I also comfirmed the role blocker part and according to that i was wrong as well as u do not get to know if ur visit fails or not. I still believe pgo shot n1 and os vig is still alive and the deaths r of the goo and tourist.So atm sk and 3 mafia r possibly still alive. If qtball is actually joat, schia is null to me. I wouldnt change my lynch just yet. You'll need to explain all of the bolded. There are too many assumptions here to reasonably be coming from uninformed town and I don't buy that you didn't know Mafia flipped as Not Town. You've also focused exclusively on the night play as a talking point and in doing so avoided talking about posts made during the day. Theorycrafting is for Night indeed. I'll also take Fort's work a step further: Why should we lynch the JOAT or Roleblocker claim when other scummy people exist and neither has been counterclaimed? |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Aug 12, 2019 16:19:22 GMT
early morning thoughts before I
ed I'm not going to bother with anymore my lynch is not moving until night resets it
if he flips scum we need to look at vooper ed flat-out refused and is still refusing to consider him as a possible milo doc target despite having explicitly told voop "I trust you" as one of the last posts of the day.
I have to drive my uncle around more hopefully will be back before dl. if ed claims survivor I'd call bullshit and lynch him anyways
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 16:29:09 GMT
Someone better fuckin secure plur on him No need to. Sadly i wanted to observe how the wagons would change which might have helped me to read a possible scum or at the very least secure a scum in my previous scumpool. unlynch tbzI actually want to read into vig now. Go do this and let me know your thoughts. Before doing so, explain your unvote here. Do you still scumread Thunder, and why did you unvote if so? |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 16:33:34 GMT
This can be said about a few people. Not a bad vote, but there are others I find worse/in more dire need of pressure. Neo is demonstrating an ability to separate personal playstyle opinions from his analysis, making him slightly >rand town. He has a lot to say in his first post, so here's a lengthy response. -You and voop will both need to talk to me about Ed. -Disagree with your initial scumread on Thunder; I don't see the pocketing narrative emerging just because he called Ani town. Thunder and Ani's page 2 posts are both justifiable outside of this narrative. Thunder giving weak/unexplained reads is also characteristic of Thunder's forum play and NAI; I liked his efforts towards townhunting in addition to scumhunting given the nature of the theme. -Don't like your analysis of vooper page 4. He explains neither the Ed nor the ZoL townread, and in the same sentence you scumread him for not explaining his Zest read while also sheeping his (also unexplained) townread on Ed. No concern with the lack of explanation on the Ed read because you've decided to agree with it, but if you don't agree with a read it makes someone scum. This is independent of your later development on Ed. -Heavy focus on scumreads only. By the end you've left open plenty of potential pushes and are unwilling to commit to calling anyone town. The post is more aids than usual because mobile I deadass posted like 1 tr (it was a slight tr onto you) so I won’t debate you on that one but in regards to the “you don’t agree with a read making you scum point” I’m positive that I pointed out that I wouldn’t question that particular one because what’s understood doesn’t need to be explained. In my honest opinion Ed had a decent post to start into me questioning his reading comprehension or if we’re playing the same game. To better explain myself it was Zola lack of anything to go off of in regards to read(which I’m assuming is the same reason you called his read on him a hot take) and Ed’s attempt / struggle to be proactive AND IF we decide to play the “x players actions are justified this game because of other forum games” game might i direct you to the day before lylo in the last mafia event where Ed almost got himself lynched because he put his foot in his mouth. The problem is you not questioning the read on ZoL beyond assuming it equates to scum. What's not understood should be explained, but you instead used it to further justify your read. I'll check out that last event (if possible, it was OC if I recall) but my focus here is more on your initial unwillingness to hear vooper's case for town!Zest ("initial" because you did eventually ask but only after vooper started defending it). |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 12, 2019 16:38:27 GMT
Vote: edwardzealchemistGetting yogurt, back in ten. ^ this is what i was actually waiting for. Either way as tbz is clear as the JOAT, i reread a few of vigs isos d2 but i cant still attain a strong read on vig. I would also like to point out that their r 2 docs, and as milo being a player i know, he wouldve let the second doctor be on the role blocker, this may seem a big assumption but this is one i am willing to make. My whole pgo theory was based of milo NOT visiting the rb and i remained firm on this. Considering this is say he did not doc the rb, and he docced qtball or schia. Prs may be good but protecting a stronger town read or trying to point out a possible scum seems more likely to me as what milo wouldve done. Also i would like yash to put forward a lynch as well. This was the second person whoms lynch i wanted to see while i was on qtball. But either way i want yash to put a lynch forward. This basically answers the previous post I made to you so :ok_hand: It is a big assumption and I don't know why you're willing to make it, especially without any information as to who the second doctor is. If you had to give a read on Vigvig one way or another right now, what would it be? |
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Post by tenzhii on Aug 12, 2019 16:41:16 GMT
unlynch !/zorquax
lynch edward
ive been convinced
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Aug 12, 2019 16:58:02 GMT
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Aug 12, 2019 17:07:15 GMT
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Post by edwardzealchemist on Aug 12, 2019 17:14:33 GMT
I wont claim surviour BECAUSE i am not surviour. Lynch me today, i will still stand on my read. Idc if i made assumptions i shared what i felt right, i shared as much as i could.
Vigvig has definetly played better before and honestly d2 was far less productive as his day 1. But it wasnt only vig, yash and vooper both have little to no contribution either. Zorquax also did little than his d1 reads as well. So overall i dont really blame vig for this. I still find it hard that vig tr me even after the whole pl disgareed with me and eventually decided not to lynch me.
So trs: qtball(conf joat), dull(conf rb), schia
Third faction/mafia: vig(slight sl), yash(he did nothing today, and i am 100% sure he is gonna come and lynch me)
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Post by edwardzealchemist on Aug 12, 2019 17:21:02 GMT
So heres goes my final lynch
lynch yash
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Aug 12, 2019 17:33:34 GMT
I wont claim surviour BECAUSE i am not surviour. Lynch me today, i will still stand on my read. Idc if i made assumptions i shared what i felt right, i shared as much as i could. Vigvig has definetly played better before and honestly d2 was far less productive as his day 1. But it wasnt only vig, yash and vooper both have little to no contribution either. Zorquax also did little than his d1 reads as well. So overall i dont really blame vig for this. I still find it hard that vig tr me even after the whole pl disgareed with me and eventually decided not to lynch me. So trs: qtball(conf joat), dull(conf rb), schia Third faction/mafia: vig(slight sl), yash(he did nothing today, and i am 100% sure he is gonna come and lynch me) -What in yash's post history makes you think you're his priority rn in terms of lynching? -At this point I'm less interested in your reads on our two unCC'd PRs, though I do find it interesting that you don't have TBZ's inspect listed in your TRs--you think zeep could be SK or goo? -How do you feel about vooper or Neo? Unrelated to Ed--I feel like I asked VigVig for a 3x3 but haven't gotten one yet. Am I losing it? Maybe I'm losing it. |
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Post by vooper on Aug 12, 2019 17:35:18 GMT
VOoper is also a lynch that should be considered he knows better than to low effort this game lol king... how am i low efforting I- ok |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Aug 12, 2019 17:39:57 GMT
I wont claim surviour BECAUSE i am not surviour. Lynch me today, i will still stand on my read. Idc if i made assumptions i shared what i felt right, i shared as much as i could. Vigvig has definetly played better before and honestly d2 was far less productive as his day 1. But it wasnt only vig, yash and vooper both have little to no contribution either. Zorquax also did little than his d1 reads as well. So overall i dont really blame vig for this. I still find it hard that vig tr me even after the whole pl disgareed with me and eventually decided not to lynch me. So trs: qtball(conf joat), dull(conf rb), schia Third faction/mafia: vig(slight sl), yash(he did nothing today, and i am 100% sure he is gonna come and lynch me) -What in yash's post history makes you think you're his priority rn in terms of lynching? -At this point I'm less interested in your reads on our two unCC'd PRs, though I do find it interesting that you don't have TBZ's inspect listed in your TRs--you think zeep could be SK or goo? -How do you feel about vooper or Neo? Unrelated to Ed--I feel like I asked VigVig for a 3x3 but haven't gotten one yet. Am I losing it? Maybe I'm losing it. what's a 3x3 |
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Post by edwardzealchemist on Aug 12, 2019 17:42:26 GMT
VOoper is also a lynch that should be considered he knows better than to low effort this game lol king... how am i low efforting I- ok ^ this and all his posts have been fillery so i still dont get a proper read on him. Neo whereas seems to me that he is actually trying to scumhunt but i am not 2 sure about this either. His large wall post at start of the day was generally well placed and i liked it as it had valid points about some of the major things occuring d1. I guess a small tl maybe but not more. Zeep is not sk, he might be goo but he isnt sk. The nks dont contradict as his kills they generally dont seem something zeep would do. |
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