Modified vengeful setup idea!

[ljackers]

Hey guys, I've made a draft set up for a modified version of Vengeful. I'm pretty sure it's very town sided on the most part, but I'm posting here to see if anyone likes it or if anyone has ideas to edit it.

Roles:

Mafia goon (Vengeful)

Mafia godfather (When killed, they can choose to kill another mafia player or revive a townie)

Werewolf (OS BP)

Vanilla Townie (Vengeful)

Role revealer (While alive, roles aren't revealed. OS role reveal- they can choose to reveal the role of one player per game after death)

Reviver (OS- can revive one person per game after a lynch or a venge kill. Alteration of this role if multiple in game)

Player size

9P- 2x Mafia goon, 1x Role revealer, 6x VT

10P- 3x Mafia goon, 1x Role revealer, 5x VT

11P- 3x Mafia goon, 1x Role revealer, 1x Reviver, 6x VT

12P- 3x Mafia goon, 1x Werewolf, 1x Role revealer, 7x VT

13P- 3x Mafia goon, 1x Werewolf, 1x Role revealer, 1x Reviver, 7x VT  

14P- 4x Mafia goon, 1x Werewolf, 1x Role revealer, 1x Reviver, 8x VT

15P- 4x Mafia goon, 1x Werewolf, 1x Role revealer, 2x Reviver, 8x VT

16P- 1x Mafia godfather, 4x Mafia goon, 1x Werewolf, 1x Role revealer, 2x Reviver, 8x VT

[Claire]

will review tomorrow

[Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪]

Concept is cool - like the GF as a way to punish maf for rolling deep.
My first thought at a glance is that WW needs a toy in addition to the BP. Maybe an OS Cannibal?

[ljackers]

Not sure what that does but it sounds hella interesting if it's what I think it means.
Not sure about the balance of higher player games just yet.
Hoping if this gets approved we can test it out at some point.

[Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪]

wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cannibal second one
gets used a lot for solo scum

[Claire]

First thing I noticed was that all setups other than the 9p are missing a role. That should probably be fixed.
Does this have night kills or not? My initial thought was no, but the werewolf being OSBP suggests otherwise. Going to assume it's nightless.
I love how the clear is kind of negative utility and town has to balance the utility of having a clear with the downside of not having role reveals. Saying that though, lack of reveals is a huge downside, and may make lynching the clear beneficial to town in some setups.
In general though, the theme looks fun to play, unique and not too unbalanced.

[ljackers]

It’s nightless, the OSBP WW was just a thought that it could survive the initial venge kill, although this would just waste a day considering this is the only role that is OSBP; unless reviver does indeed revive that evening. As Schia said, implementing an OS Cannibal role for the WW would bring one NK into the game. I think it needs some work on making sure everything works properly, however I’m pretty sure it’s balanced enough to have a few trial runs.

[Claire]

It wouldn't actually waste a day as the rest of the town wouldn't know who the lynched person shot. (while people should claim shots, especially in this variant, that isn't always the case)

[ljackers]

But if the reviver(s) are alive, then they can say that they didnt revive the person, which would make town instantly notice that they're the WW.
I did in fact implement a rule, which I didn't include in the thread for some reason, for the revivers.
When there are multiple revivers: If they try to revive the same person in the same night, the person will "overdose" and not be revived. Since there's no factional communication between the two revivers, this could make play interesting.

[Alexander489]

Being a fan of vengeful itself, I can say that I really like the theme the way it is, but I would be up to a modified version of it. However, I do not understand the importance of Role Revealer, to me it feels like a town neg that should be lynched day 1 of everygame, making it not needed. I get its for balancing purposes but there are other ways around that. Maybe try to introduce a new role that fits in with the theme of vengeful. Just some insight, If i think of any ideas I will let you know.