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Post by spiderz on Jun 21, 2020 8:15:08 GMT
Can we shift plur to micro though
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 21, 2020 8:25:15 GMT
Hey Scorchie-chan, what's up? I'm stuck in a wall, please help /// |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 21, 2020 8:25:38 GMT
This is irrelevant but why the fuck do u say tracker 1 then tracker b (im gonna try and check that math later) I guess you're right. They could be Tracker A and Tracker 2 instead. Can we shift plur to micro though Who is we? If it comes down to it, Micro is a better lynch than GTS. TB2 still the lynch here |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 21, 2020 8:28:27 GMT
This is irrelevant but why the fuck do u say tracker 1 then tracker b (im gonna try and check that math later) I guess you're right. They could be Tracker A and Tracker 2 instead. Can we shift plur to micro though Who is we? If it comes down to it, Micro is a better lynch than GTS. TB2 still the lynch here I feel more confidant in a micro flip, I also think it gives us better info, and we is referring to town smh |
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Post by Crespo on Jun 21, 2020 9:37:13 GMT
Completely down for a micro lynch
Doesn’t help that they went silent after the first few pages
lynch micro
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 21, 2020 12:08:30 GMT
Back, skimmed through the last 4 pages and nothing extremely big pops out to me. Discussion doesn't seem stunted, but here's a few things I'd like to address: Ok well I think this shows how stupid your reasoning is. Its incredible that you think any of this is valid, please re evaluate all of your reasonings and tell me how they correlate to the alignment that you claim they are. This remark from Spiderz feels town, as hostile as it may be.
Question for micromorphic: Are you saying that because AZ is pushing for a sub-optimal move in hypoing tracker results, they are scum? What tells you that they aren't simply misguided town? And after reading on their more recent posts on using tracker as a functional Cop, what do you think of that?Aside from this one reply, things: - I'm jumping on the VigVig TR bandwagon. His posts do seem genuinely trying to help town to me. - dudeplayz's slot is... lazy? They're outright not willing to read up on the game, which isn't exactly what anyone would see as effective townplay. So I'm going to do what I did and just prod them (and cayden ig) for more information. In regards to GTS's lynch. My main issue with his slot is that he hasn't offered any in-depth discussion on anyone other than battler444, and his focus on that slot is quite slim. Sure, IIoA as a reason to lynch isn't exactly the most productive thing in the world, but the countervote is effectively the only read that he has pushed. I'm aware he's made a readpool, but until there's ample explanation for that the only thing I can gain from it stems from its existence. I'm sorry I push my scumreads? and I'm sorry I don't push my trs? Not sure what you're point is here. You also completely disregarding my talk with tb2, and my overview of yours and Cayden's interactions |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 21, 2020 12:11:49 GMT
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 12:36:38 GMT
I think I know how you arrived at 1/3, but it is wrong. There are 4 roles that target people at night: Tracker 1, Tracker B, Bodyguard, and one of Mafia Goons that is killing. Tracker 1 getting a result of a player targetting another dead player does not mean that their inspect is either Tracker B, Bodyguard, or Mafia Goons, which I think that is where you are getting 1/3. Bodyguard target will never be a dead player; due to the nature of their role they will die instead. Mafia Goon target will always be a dead player unless it is a Bodyguard death, which is not the case in this scenario. Let PL=# of players at nightstart. Tracker has a 1/(PL-1) chance of targetting a dead player. This means that if Tracker 1 inspects someone who targetted a dead person that did not flip as PR, there is an 1-1/(PL-1) chance they are Mafia, assuming random targets. im only 70% sure my math is correct so please double check me, but i know 1/3 is wrong Regardless, you are correct that a "guilty" inspect could be a false positive from a fellow Tracker. A high-risk high-reward strategy would be to leave the slot alive until either the real 2nd Tracker dies, or massclaim and/or lylo. That way, if they actually were Tracker they would still be able to get out inspects for as long as possible. The rest of PL would still have to hypo though, so in case the inspect was Mafia, the real 2nd Tracker would be able to get out inspects. it's official, i'm a dumbass I was factoring Bodyguard into my equation earlier, yes. 1/3 is wrong. I suppose the nature of randomness makes tracker hypoing a viable strategy. Though, the thing about guilty positives is that if we plan on hypoing, it would be difficult to produce a fake correct inspection. If the tracker opts not to claim their result, then we'd never know of its existence; if they decide to fake an inspect, there's the (admittedly slim) chance of it going wrong. It's also worth noting that the tracker is unable to confirm any slot as Town. I've changed my stance from "Hypoing might be bad" to "Hypoing might help but not by much". |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 12:45:17 GMT
Back, skimmed through the last 4 pages and nothing extremely big pops out to me. Discussion doesn't seem stunted, but here's a few things I'd like to address: Aside from this one reply, things: - I'm jumping on the VigVig TR bandwagon. His posts do seem genuinely trying to help town to me. - dudeplayz's slot is... lazy? They're outright not willing to read up on the game, which isn't exactly what anyone would see as effective townplay. So I'm going to do what I did and just prod them (and cayden ig) for more information. In regards to GTS's lynch. My main issue with his slot is that he hasn't offered any in-depth discussion on anyone other than battler444, and his focus on that slot is quite slim. Sure, IIoA as a reason to lynch isn't exactly the most productive thing in the world, but the countervote is effectively the only read that he has pushed. I'm aware he's made a readpool, but until there's ample explanation for that the only thing I can gain from it stems from its existence. I'm sorry I push my scumreads? and I'm sorry I don't push my trs? Not sure what you're point is here. You also completely disregarding my talk with tb2, and my overview of yours and Cayden's interactionshighlighted Gary's response in yellow for clarity's sake. That said, you discussing something with TB2 isn't you telling us what you think about him, and your read into my interactions with Cayden wasn't exactly primary discussion. I will admit that I glossed over some of your lines, though. Also, the buildup on this lynch worries me a little knowing everything so Unlynch Gary The Savageuntil I learn more about this game |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 21, 2020 13:00:46 GMT
Who is we? If it comes down to it, Micro is a better lynch than GTS. TB2 still the lynch here I feel more confidant in a micro flip, I also think it gives us better info, and we is referring to town smh Who is town? |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 21, 2020 13:17:03 GMT
I mean I did say tb2 interactions felt town v town but aight
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 21, 2020 13:25:38 GMT
skyfigueroa: lynch gary the savage for not posting start of day scumpool btw
micromorphic: You planning on playing the game or just gonna stick to telling people how the game works? […] lynch gts
Cyan Talon: At this point I'm just going to pursue this slot for not having anything remotely resembling a thought process. Do you not have anything to say about the last two pages? […] Lynch GTS
battler444: I would like to Lynch Gary The Savage because of his statement asking to be put as a TR on the list and get the ball rolling.
spiderz: oh woah woah no can we shift off gary and onto micro please?
skyfigueroa: unlynch gary […] for now because of wagon build up I think came out of nowhere
eblurb: I understand why people sr gts, and I would hop on the wagon if it hadn't built up too much already.
Cyan Talon: Also, the buildup on this lynch worries me a little knowing everything so Unlynch Gary The Savage
I think Cyan Talon's lynch and unlynch are both very opportunistic. He seems to be trying to follow the crowd in order to not draw suspicion. His actions lag slightly behind, and his reasoning is more or less a reworded clone of previous statements. There is a severe lack of original reads, and it does not seem to stem from laziness or natural inability to form reads.
Unlynch ToiletBro2
Lynch Cyan Talon
I guess everyone is going to ignore that Mr. Toilet has been softing scum and posting nonsense.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 21, 2020 13:40:07 GMT
Though, the thing about guilty positives is that if we plan on hypoing, it would be difficult to produce a fake correct inspection. Inspects can be given as "didn't target dead person." I made a small mistake when I said "targetted town or no one" earlier iirc, and this only applies if the death is not the Bodyguard.If the tracker opts not to claim their result, then we'd never know of its existence; if they decide to fake an inspect, there's the (admittedly slim) chance of it going wrong. Why would Tracker not claim a result? If everyone or almost everyone is hypoing, not having a result will make them the odd one out.It's also worth noting that the tracker is unable to confirm any slot as Town. Wrong. Tracker inspecting someone targetting someone who did not die confirms them as town, as long as the death that night was not the Bodyguard. Tracker inspecting someone as idling when there is only one Mafia left will also confirm, as long as there is a death.Hypo also makes it much more difficult for Mafia to CC. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 21, 2020 13:50:53 GMT
Wouldn't it be best for bodyguard just to not target anyone? Since the chances of it targeting a would-be-nked tracker are slim, and it dying screws up hypo, it's probably just best to leave it as a named townie for now and have it not target anyone. It's not compulsive bodyguard, it's just indecisive bodyguard.
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 21, 2020 13:52:19 GMT
skyfigueroa: lynch gary the savage for not posting start of day scumpool btw micromorphic: You planning on playing the game or just gonna stick to telling people how the game works? […] lynch gtsCyan Talon: At this point I'm just going to pursue this slot for not having anything remotely resembling a thought process. Do you not have anything to say about the last two pages? […] Lynch GTSbattler444: I would like to Lynch Gary The Savage because of his statement asking to be put as a TR on the list and get the ball rolling. spiderz: oh woah woah no can we shift off gary and onto micro please? skyfigueroa: unlynch gary […] for now because of wagon build up I think came out of nowhere eblurb: I understand why people sr gts, and I would hop on the wagon if it hadn't built up too much already. Cyan Talon: Also, the buildup on this lynch worries me a little knowing everything so Unlynch Gary The SavageI think Cyan Talon's lynch and unlynch are both very opportunistic. He seems to be trying to follow the crowd in order to not draw suspicion. His actions lag slightly behind, and his reasoning is more or less a reworded clone of previous statements. There is a severe lack of original reads, and it does not seem to stem from laziness or natural inability to form reads. Unlynch ToiletBro2
Lynch Cyan TalonI guess everyone is going to ignore that Mr. Toilet has been softing scum and posting nonsense. Wow didn't notice notice this but it hit hard. Definitely moved sfl to a scumlean for me but will stick on micro still (i find gts townier and i dont want any plur mishaps) |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 21, 2020 14:03:57 GMT
hi I am here and still townie
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 21, 2020 14:05:05 GMT
What do you want me to do |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 21, 2020 14:09:51 GMT
What do you want me to do Scumhunting, and this isn't something we should be telling you to do |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 21, 2020 14:10:49 GMT
Right now I'm all okay for a Cyan Talon or micromorphic lynch, and I want to avoid a GTS lynch rn.
I'm also feeling quite sick, so I most likely won't be on for the rest of the day. Apologies.
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 21, 2020 14:11:09 GMT
What do you want me to do Scumhunting, and this isn't something we should be telling you to do You aren’t the person who I asked. I also already did that. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 14:26:58 GMT
skyfigueroa: lynch gary the savage for not posting start of day scumpool btw micromorphic: You planning on playing the game or just gonna stick to telling people how the game works? […] lynch gtsCyan Talon: At this point I'm just going to pursue this slot for not having anything remotely resembling a thought process. Do you not have anything to say about the last two pages? […] Lynch GTSbattler444: I would like to Lynch Gary The Savage because of his statement asking to be put as a TR on the list and get the ball rolling. spiderz: oh woah woah no can we shift off gary and onto micro please? skyfigueroa: unlynch gary […] for now because of wagon build up I think came out of nowhere eblurb: I understand why people sr gts, and I would hop on the wagon if it hadn't built up too much already. Cyan Talon: Also, the buildup on this lynch worries me a little knowing everything so Unlynch Gary The SavageI think Cyan Talon's lynch and unlynch are both very opportunistic. He seems to be trying to follow the crowd in order to not draw suspicion. His actions lag slightly behind, and his reasoning is more or less a reworded clone of previous statements. There is a severe lack of original reads, and it does not seem to stem from laziness or natural inability to form reads. Unlynch ToiletBro2
Lynch Cyan TalonI guess everyone is going to ignore that Mr. Toilet has been softing scum and posting nonsense. I can understand what you're getting at for the unlynch, but GTS wasn't under strong fire when I lynched them? sky's post there was literally start-of-day RVS and it's not as if micro's reads were holding weight in this game. I have no reads at the moment. I'm saying it. I do lean Spiderz and VigilanteVigoroth as town, but neither of those are solid enough for me to push a case for them. Also, Spiderz being a townlean/townread isn't something I see being debated in this game? Also, drop the filler. Not everyone is amused. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 21, 2020 14:30:29 GMT
Scumhunting, and this isn't something we should be telling you to do You aren’t the person who I asked. I also already did that. This is going to be a rough game with that attitude |
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 14:30:33 GMT
Right now I'm all okay for a Cyan Talon or micromorphic lynch, and I want to avoid a GTS lynch rn. I'm also feeling quite sick, so I most likely won't be on for the rest of the day. Apologies. GWS, make sure to see a doctor if you experience a high fever or dry cough Scumhunting, and this isn't something we should be telling you to do You aren’t the person who I asked. I also already did that. A. Doesn't invalidate their answer. B. Posting a wall of reads based on your first impressions of all living players isn't what we expect when we want you to scumhunt. What I said about GTS's earlier pile of reads shoved among his other lines applies exceptionally to your wallpost, given that you've taken the time to come online but have yet to elaborate on your reads in detail. Push a scumread or something. |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 21, 2020 14:33:58 GMT
unlynch GTS lynch TB2
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Post by cyan on Jun 21, 2020 14:36:19 GMT
Let's start with this. Earlier, you were townreading TB2 for their verbosity. What made you change your mind? |
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