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Post by yashgreninja on Jun 25, 2020 0:19:46 GMT
chad lieb what are your thoughts on ZoL? Since you two are active on the thread at the time I'm posting this, I wanna hear your opinions on this slot
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 0:22:43 GMT
chad lieb what are your thoughts on ZoL? Since you two are active on the thread at the time I'm posting this, I wanna hear your opinions on this slot Has zest even dont anything on d2? |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 25, 2020 0:22:59 GMT
Votecount Update 2.2
Roughly 4 hours remain. If the deadline were to hit, lieb would be voted out.
Message me if there's an issue with the votes.
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 0:25:20 GMT
I more likely to vote dragon just because tbz and ayia are there.
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Post by quojova on Jun 25, 2020 1:01:54 GMT
besides you im comfortable with @lifesucc quojova Both have had questionble posts That I aint a fan of. can you link these posts please? I'm curious about the scept ones too @ chad I'm quoting this post again because I suspect that you weren't able to see it before from how the pages ended up. I checked your iso and the only post of mine that you have criticized is my d1 readslist, and your criticism on that was simply because it existed and not due to any particular reads I had made. @ lieb I want to start by saying that I'm really sorry if I contributed to your game experience being less enjoyable, the game can feel like a chore if you aren't having any fun and that just sucks. Could you please provide a single objective reason why I am likely to be mafia? Of course, if you want to bring a real cohesive case together here you would want more than just that, but it would at least be a start. Your entire case so far has been "really come off as ingenuine", and "really just getting on my nerves", which leaves no room for actual discussion because these are just your unsubstantiated opinions and do not even connect to the conclusion which you are trying to show that I am mafia. |
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 1:08:02 GMT
can you link these posts please? I'm curious about the scept ones too @ chad I'm quoting this post again because I suspect that you weren't able to see it before from how the pages ended up. I checked your iso and the only post of mine that you have criticized is my d1 readslist, and your criticism on that was simply because it existed and not due to any particular reads I had made. @ lieb I want to start by saying that I'm really sorry if I contributed to your game experience being less enjoyable, the game can feel like a chore if you aren't having any fun and that just sucks. Could you please provide a single objective reason why I am likely to be mafia? Of course, if you want to bring a real cohesive case together here you would want more than just that, but it would at least be a start. Your entire case so far has been "really come off as ingenuine", and "really just getting on my nerves", which leaves no room for actual discussion because these are just your unsubstantiated opinions and do not even connect to the conclusion which you are trying to show that I am mafia. You are correct with that observation, do you want a cookie? I haven't really had the time to lay out my thoughts as well as I would have liked to, however, I've still kept mental notes of the people I did not like your slot being one of them. If you want me to grab posts I sure can. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 25, 2020 1:09:58 GMT
@ chad I'm quoting this post again because I suspect that you weren't able to see it before from how the pages ended up. I checked your iso and the only post of mine that you have criticized is my d1 readslist, and your criticism on that was simply because it existed and not due to any particular reads I had made. @ lieb I want to start by saying that I'm really sorry if I contributed to your game experience being less enjoyable, the game can feel like a chore if you aren't having any fun and that just sucks. Could you please provide a single objective reason why I am likely to be mafia? Of course, if you want to bring a real cohesive case together here you would want more than just that, but it would at least be a start. Your entire case so far has been "really come off as ingenuine", and "really just getting on my nerves", which leaves no room for actual discussion because these are just your unsubstantiated opinions and do not even connect to the conclusion which you are trying to show that I am mafia. You are correct with that observation, do you want a cookie? I haven't really had the time to lay out my thoughts as well as I would have liked to, however, I've still kept mental notes of the people I did not like your slot being one of them. If you want me to grab posts I sure can. yes, please |
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Post by qtball on Jun 25, 2020 1:20:35 GMT
Really not a fine of lieb having plur
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Post by qtball on Jun 25, 2020 1:20:51 GMT
Fan*
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Post by lieb on Jun 25, 2020 1:35:41 GMT
i rly think that star / tbz should shift to quo;
quojava the reason that i think u are mafia is bc the reasoning u have to justify ayia is sorta dependent on the fact that ayia is unaware of what a bus is like all they did was shift at the end of the day and that was the sole reason I was pushing them but then u attacked my read for being incorrect not based on what I had said but on other reasons of what ayia said there is no logical reason for u to discredit my read when it wasn't really talking about his reasoning later on. For me I was reading primarily on what I saw from a casual viewing perspective the shift to tre at the end of day after being on pkq just felt forced but u kinda just said my read was wrong and moved on
Im not saying u particularly are making this experience less enjoyable i just think ur mafia and unless u can show me why thats not the case then idk. i have a rly bad gut feeling lifesucc is maf playing me but im hopefully wrong. regardless, it just feels to me that part of the reason u are pushing me is bc of an implicit tunnel regardless whether u wanna come out with it or not. Also reading yash's lines it just feels like the really big post he made where he talked about me (i hate quoting but sorry) it also rly felt like anything that came outta my mouth was just wrong and it's just like ew idk i hope u guys r catching my drift and i rly wanna stay here so i can elaborate my reads but at the same time if u dont see what im saying now I doubt you'll see what I'm saying in the future regardless
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Post by lieb on Jun 25, 2020 1:36:45 GMT
chad lieb what are your thoughts on ZoL? Since you two are active on the thread at the time I'm posting this, I wanna hear your opinions on this slot i rly hate to say this i havent read him ive been focusing my energy on reading the more "active" players |
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Post by lieb on Jun 25, 2020 1:38:20 GMT
can you link these posts please? I'm curious about the scept ones too @ chad I'm quoting this post again because I suspect that you weren't able to see it before from how the pages ended up. I checked your iso and the only post of mine that you have criticized is my d1 readslist, and your criticism on that was simply because it existed and not due to any particular reads I had made. @ lieb I want to start by saying that I'm really sorry if I contributed to your game experience being less enjoyable, the game can feel like a chore if you aren't having any fun and that just sucks. Could you please provide a single objective reason why I am likely to be mafia? Of course, if you want to bring a real cohesive case together here you would want more than just that, but it would at least be a start. Your entire case so far has been "really come off as ingenuine", and "really just getting on my nerves", which leaves no room for actual discussion because these are just your unsubstantiated opinions and do not even connect to the conclusion which you are trying to show that I am mafia. The "single objective reason" as you wish is basically what I said in 2 posts ago in a nutshell: the way u defended ayia in a way that wasn't acknowledging my read but moreso ur personal read on ayia cause discrediting a read based on ur own read isnt something im a fan of. |
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 1:38:21 GMT
Basically what lieb said, quo your focus on ayia is weird and most of your points point to scum ayia seem so reachy.
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Post by qtball on Jun 25, 2020 1:41:14 GMT
“Star” hasn’t even made any reads and isn’t lynching anyone, I wonder why........
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2020 1:44:46 GMT
Ok where to start. If I was scum it makes no sense for me to claim body guard to save my ass over my teammate. I don't know if you guys notice, but trem was acting like he had a pr and didn't want to die. If I was just vt I would have let this rock and accept my death because he was important. In my opinion I thought he was tracker, but he flip mafia. Here is the thing. Traitor is only useful to mafia when all the teammates are still alive. Granted I don't know how exactly white flag traitor works, but I am assuming if all the mafia dies the traitor lose as well. Also traitor even know how is mafia on top of that so why would scum put themselves at a disadvantage like that if I was scum. The fact I am not dead means two things. One scum is really dumb and they just threw in the towel because at this point town won this imo, or scum is trying to go for the crazy mind games. I think the second option is not plausible because if getting your teammate lynch, and not killing confirm town, on top of when traitor is know hurting you is pretty crazy and stupid and that is not mind games; and now people know who to target on who could be scum making the game easier for trackers. Because you are going to need to kill me tonight to even have a chance of winning but trackers are most likely find 1 scum and the rest will be history. Also one final touch, if I was scum I am mostly like traitor, but I should accept the lynch because at least my partner would get town credit and they don't have to worry about the white flag. If I get anything wrong about the traitor mechanic please tell me because I am still a little confuse. Also, for my night action I idle because I was so mad that I was about to die and I saw no point of saving a target because I was a 100 percent certain they was killing me. With that in mind I assume trackers didn't track me so I will be surprise if someone claim they track me. YOu have nothing to worry about, and ya its weird you didn't die. My only assumption is they probably were more concerned finding a tracker than killing the BG. Still not sure why you would Idle if you could potentially save a tracker. I was just mad about the game and didn't believe I had to explain myself. |
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Post by qtball on Jun 25, 2020 1:45:36 GMT
I feel like I’m tunneling but like am I wrong here
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 1:50:39 GMT
I was just mad about the game and didn't believe I had to explain myself. You're fine |
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Post by quojova on Jun 25, 2020 2:01:45 GMT
Basically what lieb said, quo your focus on ayia is weird and most of your points point to scum ayia seem so reachy. I think I might be reading this wrong but I never pushed ayia as scum? My stance since EoD1 has always been that ayia is hard town. If I am reading this wrong and your concern actually lies in how am I focusing too hard on ayia being town, I will address that in the next post. @ chad I'm quoting this post again because I suspect that you weren't able to see it before from how the pages ended up. I checked your iso and the only post of mine that you have criticized is my d1 readslist, and your criticism on that was simply because it existed and not due to any particular reads I had made. @ lieb I want to start by saying that I'm really sorry if I contributed to your game experience being less enjoyable, the game can feel like a chore if you aren't having any fun and that just sucks. Could you please provide a single objective reason why I am likely to be mafia? Of course, if you want to bring a real cohesive case together here you would want more than just that, but it would at least be a start. Your entire case so far has been "really come off as ingenuine", and "really just getting on my nerves", which leaves no room for actual discussion because these are just your unsubstantiated opinions and do not even connect to the conclusion which you are trying to show that I am mafia. The "single objective reason" as you wish is basically what I said in 2 posts ago in a nutshell: the way u defended ayia in a way that wasn't acknowledging my read but moreso ur personal read on ayia cause discrediting a read based on ur own read isnt something im a fan of. The reason I have defended ayia as much as I have up to this point is not because I see him as some supertown that supersedes all other town in my eyes. It is as a simple byproduct of the amount of attention that his aggressors have given him. Throughout this day, I have provided my stance on every one of the wagoners on trem that received suspicion, from Litt, to scept, to yes, ayia. Please read this post I made here: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/68076/thread, as it addresses the arguments you have made surrounding the possibility of an ayia bus which you have made. I found the other arguments you made regarding ayia being mafia to be incredibly weak, as half of them were hinged on the specific scenario of ayia being partners with FJ, with a minimal amount of evidence to support this very bold claim. The other was about how you thought ayia was prodding too much for reads or activity, which to me was a complete non-sequitur to the idea of him being mafia. I apologize for not addressing these points earlier, but they were honestly so weak that I neglected to actually respond to them, which is on me 100%. I REALLY want to hammer this idea in because it is critical to get out there: Pushing on any of the wagoners on trem at this stage of the game without adequately responding to the argument outlined in the above link is a SERIOUS HOLE in the push, and it needs to be addressing before proceeding with the push in good faith. This is the only reason I defended ayia so hard today, as I did with Litt and others. I have yet to see anyone actually address this argument, which as I mention in the post itself I think could be possible to do in an intelligent way, but I would have to see a well-thought, cohesive argument to believe it. I'm need to leave for a bit so I will not be able to respond to anything until EoD, which I will be back for. |
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Post by qtball on Jun 25, 2020 2:43:52 GMT
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 2:48:16 GMT
I wanna decide on something so I can sleep
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Post by quojova on Jun 25, 2020 2:50:01 GMT
I wanna decide on something so I can sleep could you please respond to the above post? |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 25, 2020 2:51:05 GMT
Really not a fine of lieb having plur could you two line summarize this @qtball as in: is this gut or do you have reasoning to support this |
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 2:55:33 GMT
Ugh this is boring and you people won't come to a decision.
I hard claim 1 of the trackers, never rescending.
I tracked yashgreninja to narwhal yesterday
vote :vashgreninja
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Post by litteleven on Jun 25, 2020 2:55:51 GMT
ok so i appreciate ur discussion and all but lets focus on a chinese fire drill. As you may already now by my amazingly and thoroughly enjoyable presence, I am indeed a member of the town and I also highly suspect quojava/ayia to be members of the mafia (potentially Litt). So who would like to cfd? pretty please :3 ... if you're town you're really not helping. you're omgusing quo and sus-ing ayia for reasons so bad yet you have the audacity to request a cfd into either of them with no context from your side? |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 25, 2020 2:56:49 GMT
Ugh this is boring and you people won't come to a decision. I hard claim 1 of the trackers, never rescending. I tracked yashgreninja to narwhal yesterday vote :vashgreninjaf vote yashgreninja |
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