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Post by cyan on Jun 12, 2021 0:15:02 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer 7)
Ddlcfan69 (4):Cyan Talon, Wallape,Articuknight,Fortcolors
Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69
PenguinD (2):Kliff,Quojova
Wallape (1):Gary the Savage
Vertigo (1):skyfigureroa
Not Voting (2):Saltiestcactus23,PenguinD
if i missed anything/any issues lmk
With that ddlcfan69 has been voted off!
Their role was
Good day user:
Role: Vanilla Townie
Alignment: Town
Abilities: None, except for your vote.
Your associates: Your fellow townsfolk.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
It is now night phase: Pm me your action or idles.
Night ends at 9PM GMT-4, or about 23 hours from the writing of this post
It's like very confusing to me why cyan and articu are applying the "status quo" defense to peng but not to gary fwiw I don't buy into that defense at all but it feels selectively applied didn't see this last time it popped up so i'll concede the status quo defense admittedly applies to both players here |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 11:18:49 GMT
My read on Gary was not based on him being indecisive, it was more of him faking indecisiveness/uncertainty. In the post where he defended ddlc, he said ddlc was negtown and that he shouldn't be voted. But the at the end he goes "if ur voting him for smth other than filler, go ahead idgaf, bc im uncertain." Like where you saying im uncertain if u just spent a hot minute defending someone? we're sending it. I said ddlc could be negtown and I didn't say they shouldn't be voted. I said they shouldn't be voted for the reasons of meming. I also did not say I was uncertain regarding ddlc, at least not in that manner, though I may have been misunderstood. I did also state I had a slight tl on ddlc due to the growth of wagon buildup well the understandings are certainly piling on because in one post you said "i am not saying ddlc is town" and in the other "i had a slight tl on ddlc" |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 11:15:21 GMT
If I knew I was doing something outside of my scumrange , I would just include it in my scumrange and then it wont be outside of my scumrange anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I'll admit to one thing. As convenient as it may be , wallape's reason for tling me doesnt really apply to me atleast . (Look at my entrance in the time heist game) Because by voting Fortcolors there , it was highly likely it would devolve into a Penguin vs Fortcolors situation. And given how much more active and persuading FortColors is over Peng , Penguin would get absolutely demolished in that matchup. Hence why I call it risky. I feel like this thought must have crossed scum!Penguin and he would be hesitant to vote there. Kinda feel like a lot of people are too comfortable GTS wagon and it is making me uncomfortable . There is a certain lack of agitation in this PL that makes me think scum is just sitting comfortably out there , and we are completely off track with respect to both GTS and Peng What do we think of a Vertigo/Articunight/Wallape scumteam Have there even been any verti + arti interactions? I can't remember any from the top of my head :x the same kind of applies to verti + wallape and arti + wallape. chaostrodon what you suggesting here, i wanna know |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 7:33:48 GMT
Having a hard time determining if this post an opportunistic settling attempted or a genuine thought. Someone chime in on this
I dont know what was going on in his head , but I gave him some townpoints for this because it is a pretty risky move this doesn't even make sense, terri on an unrelated side note i think i want to write down a few notes for myself: - sky's thought progression seems to be taking into account everything that's happening, and he seems like he's genuinely trying to unpack the game. probably town - from quojova and fortcolors' exchange in the few posts above this i'm tempted to say that they can't be scumpartners. if one flips red the other must be green |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 1:21:05 GMT
WAIT cyan ur right. i think the gary being indecisive thing is being blown out of proportion cuz he was only really indecisive regarding u, cyan talon, stormfirelucario. but "because sfl was and still is significantly more town than you." why didn't you just say that if that's how you really felt. u only really said u actually tled him instead of flipflopping today he wasn't being indecisive about me. he straight up said he thought i was town and decided never to talk about it for some reason hence the accusations that were being thrown earlier by multiple players: gary isn't scum because he's indecisive, but because he's feigning indecisiveness. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 1:19:35 GMT
also cyan are you considering gary to be scum rn? bc personally i can only see him through the lens of u and him being partners. as someone who is part of that pairing, i wonder how u view it, since i find it really hard to figure out a partner who's not just a lurker/uninvolved with gary due to everyone ganging up on him. kinda have been since start of d2? i'm just not voting because it'd place him in L-1 and i don't see a reason not to stretch out discussion more as far as partners go, i'd consider working from NKA and thinking about who might want SSR dead or who wanted to maintain the status quo which, i've labeled a few names already, isn't a lot of people and won't get me towards making a scumteam but it's a start |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:44:58 GMT
y'all say indecisive on everything and its literally just sfl. Yes, I was indecisive on sfl. And I still am. I really don't see the issue with being uncertain about a read on someone. and with ape as a sl, I was saying potential partner interaction between sfl and ape, but since ape is the sl, I got on ape i think the indecisiveness read stemmed more from this post: Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. this felt like you wanted to save ddlc from being voted on grounds of them being negtown, but never actually explaining why ddlc shouldn't have been voted other than "if you vote negtown you're negtown too" without giving us reason to believe they might be town? actually, stating outright that ddlc had some chances of not being town? which is double unhelpful because the reads that were being brought up against ddlc had less to do with being a memer than they were about his reactionary playstyle and the way he was playing defense |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:38:43 GMT
this gary wagon is like the least pure thing I've ever seen esp. if you add in penguin for that I'm probably never voting there today but at some point I have to iso everyone again and maybe gary will be super scummy I doubt it though could you elaborate on this? what about the gary wagon seems impure to you, and who would you label as its worst offenders? a good portion of my reads get blown apart by the wifom factor attached to them which makes me angry that being said i still don't think verti would do that i kind of like the tone of this post. Finger of Acquittal at wallape or something |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:35:35 GMT
Gary - scum lean
Looking at Gary Iso something Seems off. It like they are maneuvering in a way where they are avoiding deeper Interactions? or maybe Conflict?. They had their moments of trying to avoid accountability. It like they have their way of participating but indirectly. Gary seems like the most scum likely candidate for me and I will look into partnerships with my other 2 scum leans
Gary/PenguinD/Cyan the scum trio?
Cyan -> Gary
Looking at Gary Interactions with Cyan. The progression on the read on Gary from Cyan was basically like 1.Eh +1, 2.Eh null, 3. Eh not necessarily scummy 4.Eh Fos. In the posts quoted in 3 and 4, Cyan comments that his behavior is “common for scum but not necessarily scummy” That just sounds very contractionary. What I got from it is that Cyan acknowledges Gary’s behavior but decides to leave it up in the air as if it's still a null read? A couple of posts later, Cyan answers the question about why they FOS Gary, and it seems seemed like a short mafia 101 lesson(not choosing a stance). Since they answer the question I assume that their stance on them is null-scum. There isn't anything wrong with the progression itself, But these actions could play a part when it comes to possible partnerships.
Gary -> cyan
Gary's Interactions with Cyan are left at “undecided” and never really revisited. Their interaction is just a straight-up “I don’t know” with no follow-up after that post iirc.
Gary -> penguin & Penguin -> Gary
➤Day 1
Once upon a time, Penguin asks Gary a question. Gary notices the question and replied with an answer. The End. However, the interaction did seem like Town v scum. I don't see penguin asking their scum partner THIS
➤Day 2
Gary votes penguin
Cyan -> penguin & Penguin -> cyan
0. Make sense.
In Conclusion
Potential Teams
!scumPenguinD could be teammates with Both but less likely with Gary
!scumCyan Could be teammates with Both
!scum Gary Could be teammates both but likely Cyan but less likely with penguin
No, they are probably not all partners together
In Conclusion, I gather all my main scum leans and try to see if they are scum-compatible and believe at least 1 scum in this trio pair. I'm usually always wrong with trio-scum so I estimate there is at least 1 town in this also. Gary may not be the most scum-compatible but they are the best vote.
Vote Gary The Savage i think that this is reason enough for me to say that kliff has been watching the game carefully and isn't just flinging out reads willy nilly. thank you for this. UNVOTE: Kliffi kind of want to see what Gary has to say about articoo and wallape before we continue with a vote |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:31:55 GMT
and in traditional cyan fashion i'm starting to falter with reads Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavagebecause sfl was and still is significantly more town than you. Vote: PenguinDthis is an interesting reaction given that (i don't think) gary has up to this point announced a townread on me. i'm not sure how this weighs in with what kliff argued about me/gary interactions, but it's interesting to think that gary has a read that he never explained much. here's the post in question outlining the read on kliff i made earlier. tl;dr kliff's reads have been in the form of simple walls expressing reads on every single player in the game, and their questions have been focused on clarifying information as opposed to digging new things out. i don't see kliff making an argument against any specific player and fleshing it out as the game progresses, so they seem more reactionary to everything than actively scumhunting
Also I'm not understanding how you got think vertigo as town? BS read?
They are town because they did not defend/buddy ddlc when they were pursed and was on Gary the Savage instead?if i had to pick one option out of two, complaining about which one was picked when both are of equal standing is kind of useless? also, the bolded part isn't the entirety of the argument; what i said about you did not apply to gary vertigo townlean was me paraphrasing another read and adding some thoughts to it. i'm tempted to discard it because of what quojova has commented but i'm sticking by it regardless until verti proves himself otherwise. also, it's not that vertigo is town because they didn't defend/buddy ddlc. on the contrary they were attacking me, one of the biggest pushers on ddlc's wagon. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 13:02:36 GMT
it's what i do best. also are you just going to label this as "rile up"? i'd think that if kliff did not have an existing FortColors read they would have worded it as "scum did not want lurkers to survive" instead of "you did not want lurkers to survive" Ok now you are making me question my understanding of a meme I thought it was explicitly Fortcolours coz he had I hate lurkers in his signature and also keeps talking about how he hates lurkers ngl i was unaware of his hatred towards lurkers. i stand with him on that though point still stands, kinda. |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 13:01:06 GMT
okay that works if im scum but im not lmao w-what you're telling me that scum!verti would only have pushed you if you were scum? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 11:02:01 GMT
Cyan Talon trying to rile up fort colors vs kliff by misinterpreting a meme - noted it's what i do best. also are you just going to label this as "rile up"? i'd think that if kliff did not have an existing FortColors read they would have worded it as "scum did not want lurkers to survive" instead of "you did not want lurkers to survive" Ok then what about GTS , Wallape and kliff/ Fortcolors
You tell me. Where are these pairings based on? was your original post just some random thought that came out from your rear end?
 to answer your question, I don't think so(especially with me in there). I have a Cyan/peguinD/Gary post currently in the makinglooking forward to it. also +1 on the pairings part also can someone elab on how verti is town? wallape explained it so i'm paraphrasing: vertigo counterpushed when i mentioned ddlc/vertigo as a scumteam. if vertigo was scum, he would have known that ddlc was town; given the fact that i showed no intention of getting off the ddlc wagon, scum!verti had no incentive to intervene in that aside from maybe attempting to buddy up to ddlc although given that vertigo was on the gts wagon yesterday that is a very possible explanation |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 7:42:30 GMT
i'd also like to take a bit of your time to introduce you to another potential wagon focus: kliff. notice the following posts So, Whats your Stance. Do you think there is any pocketing or not?
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
Am I to assume that you think Cyan is a town lean? a majority of kliff's interactive posts have been asking one-line questions on clarifying other players' positions. these types of posts don't actually contribute much towards scumhunting and i kinda think kliff would know that? also, the fact that kliff's reads are being served in the form of a read wall instead of through direct engagement in discussion is kinda weird to me. i'm not sure if they're approaching the game from a third-party perspective or are trying to avoid being personally involved in deeper stuff. also, it's a lot easier to be passive when posting read walls here's the post in question outlining the read on kliff i made earlier. tl;dr kliff's reads have been in the form of simple walls expressing reads on every single player in the game, and their questions have been focused on clarifying information as opposed to digging new things out. i don't see kliff making an argument against any specific player and fleshing it out as the game progresses, so they seem more reactionary to everything than actively scumhunting |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 7:32:23 GMT
needless to say that ssr/sc had not spoken a word throughout the game scum has very little benefit in pursue a shot like that, the only benefit being that it gets rid of a townie but because that one benefit would apply to any possible scumteam in this pl it also means the kill is virtually untraceable essentially: - killing ssr would have had no effect on the collective town mindset, hence my conclusion 1 - killing ssr wouldn't have a significant effect on the image of any player, hence conclusion 2 both of these are possibilities, but it's safe to say that anyone who appears to be in a strong position with no enemies would not be in favour of either of those ig this tells me skyfigueroa and possibly quojova/fortcolors/wallape are low-priority atm this is ultimately not very consequential because it comes with too many assumptions but wouldn't a scumteam in a strong position want to limit the shifts in town mindset as much as possible by killing off the only player available to offer new perspectives? yeah. that's kinda what i was saying in point 1. scum in that position would want to maintain status quo, and the best kill for that would be the silent slot because it results in no new minds and a lack of changed existing ones in the pl actually scratch that I just remembered something Unvote: GTSVote: Kliff what did u remember exactly to want to swap votes? that i'd come to a scumlean on kliff sometime late in d1, that i proceeded to forget about as the night happened I don't think you roll a die and land on the only kill that gives us literally no information whatsoever from interactions. I agree completely with cyan's analysis, but would like to point out a third possibility: they wanted to avoid both protection prs we have.  unnecessarily targeting fortcolors with the meme when scum could've been anyone else feelsweirdman |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 2:26:16 GMT
since y'all love me going for a far stretch over things, quick NKA is this: needless to say that ssr kill reeks "i don't want to be noticed" scum is either comfortable in their position or is trying to tread very carefully. Vote: Gary The Savage How do you get that? I feel like it was totally randed , like they decided to roll a die or something Vote : Gary the Savageneedless to say that ssr/sc had not spoken a word throughout the game scum has very little benefit in pursue a shot like that, the only benefit being that it gets rid of a townie but because that one benefit would apply to any possible scumteam in this pl it also means the kill is virtually untraceable essentially: - killing ssr would have had no effect on the collective town mindset, hence my conclusion 1 - killing ssr wouldn't have a significant effect on the image of any player, hence conclusion 2 both of these are possibilities, but it's safe to say that anyone who appears to be in a strong position with no enemies would not be in favour of either of those ig this tells me skyfigueroa and possibly quojova/fortcolors/wallape are low-priority atm |
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 2:09:14 GMT
actually scratch that I just remembered something
Unvote: GTS
Vote: Kliff
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 2:07:36 GMT
to reiterate why Gary is my vote (as of now):
he seems to be unnaturally indecisive when it comes to reads, as if he's trying not to say anything conclusive while doing so
that being said this is a weak read and i need more information to work with
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Post by cyan on Jun 10, 2021 2:04:58 GMT
uh.... kill?  ? lmao since y'all love me going for a far stretch over things, quick NKA is this: needless to say that ssr kill reeks "i don't want to be noticed" scum is either comfortable in their position or is trying to tread very carefully. Vote: Gary The Savage |
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Post by cyan on Jun 9, 2021 1:08:19 GMT
UH SO can i keep talking or not? now's a better time than never to get your last words in |
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Post by cyan on Jun 9, 2021 1:05:28 GMT
vertigo is not very easy for me to read and the focus of his posts is just kinda weird iso for convenience: ps-mafia.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1188&captcha_id=captcha_search&where_thread_title=Invasion+of+the+Lich%3A+Game+1+%5BDay+1%5D&display_as=0&search=Searchhe spends almost the entirety of his posts talking about either cyan's take on ddlc+him or if "noob strats" are something an experienced scum would go forthe latter is not useful the former is just super super narrow Like I cannot conclude from vertigo's posts that he actually cares about the town win-con whatsoever This post seemed like it carried annoyance (which was not my intent) rather than anxiety over my questions which is possibly (?) a bit town because it does seem like he believes what he is saying like as in he seems annoyed as if he knows he's right rather than anxious that I'm questioning him over something he thinks is shaky I have a light scumlean on vert atm I would have moved on if Cyan did answer my questions but he randomly started tring ddlc while putting a FoS on me, for reasons that lack substance. I can't agree with this. Will give a readlist before going to bed. uh when did i tr ddlc? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 9, 2021 1:03:51 GMT
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 17:42:38 GMT
quite frankly i think the reason the wagon was "overly stable" was 17 hours of no posts from ddlc, giving people no reason to move off. would you be interested in shifting to penguin as a the lurker pressure? someone else mentioned that sc23 probably just gets subbed out while penguin's done his bare minimum and dipped.
typing in forums is hard try using a computer. it works wonders
idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. current thoughts: A: Why are you Fos'ing on gary? // i didn't understand it. is it them being uncertain? but that would qualify as a townslip, since certainty is often correlatable to being the minority with info whether or not certainty (or lack thereof) dictates alignment is heavily dependent on meta, actually. some players (e.g. spiderz) will push their reads with resolute conviction:tm: whereas others might take things more slowly. also, scum will tend to fake uncertainty in order to seem town, so there's the wifom element to this too, but there's a difference between a town going "eh, wait, hold on, maybe..." and a scum going "eh, nyeh, eugh, maybe...."
B: I really want to see ddlc defend against cyan's 3 point agenda post C: Switching between peng/sc isn't an issue, i still want to gather reactions since i haven't played with most of you :^ kinda wish you'd address the reasoning behind the proposal a little more
saltcac has yet to post once throughout this entire day, and is probably getting subbed out within the near future. peng has posted five low-commitment remarks, but is probably not likely to be subbed out. the point of fort asking was to shift that pressure towards someone you could get results from
D: I should make a votecount whenever i post since god its confusing to not have that accessibly yadda yadda cyan |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 17:33:09 GMT
I do indeed agree with most of these posts accept that ppl are putting all the pressure on to me and vertigo, then transversly on to cyan for when im town. I kinda want to look more into ppl who have defended me like you and gary and sky cuz while i appreciate the defense I cant help but wonder that it will be a great self image for them that they defended me then I flipped town and poor cyan who poured his heart and soul into a garbage push will now be scapegoated because of it. Honestly I tr penguin and Vertigo and even tho penguin is pushing me for literally no reason other then sheeping I dont think they would vote me if they were scum unless they were trying to protect wallape/cyan who had equal votes to me at the time but I doubt it. decluttering this post because being passive-aggressive also means being unclear and everyone appreciates clarity: ddlc's take here is that the people defending him are worth looking into, as they may be using his hypothetical townflip as cred points. while i'd have to disagree on gary's front for this one (gary's main read attribute has been less about defending ddlc and more about shakily doing so), it's a fair statement; problem is it leads us nowhere in the present moment that being said, why do you tr vertigo? i may have missed that. did he push you? |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 17:26:46 GMT
i'd also like to take a bit of your time to introduce you to another potential wagon focus: kliff. notice the following posts I said scum pocketing a scum partner is unlikely, not scum pocketing a townie. And I mean ig ur right scum don't *need* to pocket each other but I've seen ppl do that on ps maf and it worked out decently well, since if one scum flips scum then town may think the pocketed person is town! Still its a rare occurrence and I dont think thats whagt would happen now Why do u sr kliff? All you've talked about kliff is sod post which was supposed to be a meme. ScumLOCK for saying lions would win btw. We Still on this? so, general takeaways: quojova and chaostrodon are town. i like the depth of the discussions they're driving forward; they seem to be putting a good amount of thought into the game and it comes off as natural vertigo gets a FoS based on his reaction to this post: feels kinda dismissive of quojova's questions by far and away the more important vote is ddlcfan69, his actions and mindset in early d1 haven't shown signs of changing as of now
Is your Argument more of the fact that ddlcfan69 can not be trusted? If you believe that ddlcfan69 is a goon, Who would be their likely partners. They are a lot of mixed opinions on ddlcfan69
like I don't think there's any reason to shift as mafia there if you don't find your own case to be reasonably compelling what I'm wondering about is your reasoning for why the shift is bad in a scum-indicative way a majority of kliff's interactive posts have been asking one-line questions on clarifying other players' positions. these types of posts don't actually contribute much towards scumhunting and i kinda think kliff would know that? also, the fact that kliff's reads are being served in the form of a read wall instead of through direct engagement in discussion is kinda weird to me. i'm not sure if they're approaching the game from a third-party perspective or are trying to avoid being personally involved in deeper stuff. also, it's a lot easier to be passive when posting read walls |
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