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Post by cyan on Jul 14, 2023 4:02:57 GMT
man i really hate to retread old ground but i'm thinking there's just something really awful about how winsy is making a noncommittal wallpost and how aka is following up with "yeah this shows they're reading the game" I had to make a whole ass google doc to stop getting distracted by funni memes Top to Bottom in terms of strength of read Town: Fame: Top of the list for continuing to pursue me after defending beginning of day, unlike neonaruto contrasting their initial criticism of me, and then flip flopping onto ihbst at day end(  ). Overall probably the best slot in the game in terms of overall reads/activity. Clouds: This is mainly based off of the progression on the neonaruto read, which is the main point in their favor, although I don’t like how they keep shifting directions on votes really fast, although this might just be indecisive. Null: Crespo: Feels like all they’ve done is either wait for me to post reads, and pressure clems for being bad which are both fair. That being said, would like some reads about the sandy vote. Ddlc: Their one substantive post makes me want to tl them , since the analysis of pisx’s post is something I lowkey agree with, but not enough content yet. their reason for just thinking clems comes of looking bad since myan subbed isn’t the strongest. I’d contend that myan is still fair game based off their reasoning. Neonaruto: You get to be in the middle, for doing the right thing and pressing me after I disappeared, and then doing the very wrong thing, and voting ihbst. +and-=Idfk Myan: Two lines which Indicate next to nothing Fingerlings: Could go either way with this, but the fact that they continued to defend my absence after posting rubs me the wrong way, what’s wrong with pressuring that kind of behavior? Their main arguments was past gameplay which ig is fine… Cyan Talon is gonna catch flak at the lower end of null list simply for this. Why say you would want to vote me, and then vote ihbst???, almost everyone on the ihbst wagon feels so weird, like their arguments run directly contrary to their votes. “Shifting onto the player of least merit”.... Akakakp: Feels pretty reactionary for most of d1, I don’t like their saying to let clems breath, since they act scummy early, then saying that ihbst being red=clems red, when they said that clems acts scummy d1 in general. How do you get that read from anything clems says then? Also why vote me with 0 preamble, cottoning off of fame? Clems: Hate this slot so much, it’s either rlly bad town acting scummy, or rlly bad scum acting scummy, either way kinda useless Scum: (emptier then my heart) (for now) Also not getting into the subbed slots yet(i.e new posts), okay okay the reason why I voted Winsy was that they popped into the thread d2 with no indication to solve anything (duh) but, there's more to this, if you look at literally every single player in this game, they developed SOME thought that they felt the need to share based on what happened overnight, whether it be how EoD1 went, ihbst flipping town, or pisx dying Winsy hopping into d2 without a care in the world for the stuff that had happened felt insanely scummy and I could not see a world where that slot was town HOWEVER, considering Winsy just dropped a comprehensive readslist on every player, it is definitely possible that they DID have thoughts about d1, but wanted to RESERVE said thoughts for a comprehensive readslist, and since those thoughts were being stowed away, they decided to HAVE FUN instead by voting spiderz hence UNVOTE: Winsy Tinsyhopefully i'm not the first to catch two things about the readlist: a. a majority of winsy's reads revolve around how other slots have reacted to them b. zero scumreads in a game where everyone is arguing with at least two other people then again, winsy was the first to call out this behavior okay okay the reason why I voted Winsy was that they popped into the thread d2 with no indication to solve anything (duh) but, there's more to this, if you look at literally every single player in this game, they developed SOME thought that they felt the need to share based on what happened overnight, whether it be how EoD1 went, ihbst flipping town, or pisx dying Winsy hopping into d2 without a care in the world for the stuff that had happened felt insanely scummy and I could not see a world where that slot was town HOWEVER, considering Winsy just dropped a comprehensive readslist on every player, it is definitely possible that they DID have thoughts about d1, but wanted to RESERVE said thoughts for a comprehensive readslist, and since those thoughts were being stowed away, they decided to HAVE FUN instead by voting spiderz hence UNVOTE: Winsy TinsyNot comfortable with you being absolutely ready to write me off as scum, and then flipping just because I made a readlist, with no analysis of said readslist(could just be words that have no meaning behind them) Vote Akakakpon the whole i'd say this exchange makes aka a little weird-looking. potential for svs in my eyes but i do think aka's own contributions are a better looker for spew Vote: akakakpalso, funny how the fingerlings wagon picked up around the same time as winsy's wallpost Surprised there isn't a vote on me LOL although you guys seem to be calling me out for cred i am keeping you in my good graces because i am simply hoping you're a better person than this. with how openwolfy you are i'm starting to wonder if you might be scum but rest assured that if you are pr you will not survive even after claiming |
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Post by cyan on Jul 13, 2023 11:09:50 GMT
There's nothing in pisx's ISO that actively indicates serial killer/non-town alignment btw. The likelihood of Mafia intentionally targeting serial killer there is extremely low. I don't really want to "clear" people just because pisx townread them and they flipped. At this point it probs makes most sense to look at people that pisx had explicitly scumread/declared to vote at a later stage. I have conflicted thoughts on the pisx flip + the intentions behind it but honestly I'm having trouble formulating a read on it that doesn't boil down to WIFOM so I'm stuck. In the instance that both the Winsy/Clem slots are actually town, it makes sense to keep them in the game for potential misvotes (+ obviously pisx scumreading them before flipping makes them look worse) but I feel like Winsy/Clem would've always been voted at one point or another regardless. As a side note, this makes me think Crespo is probably town given they sorta advocated for getting these "scummier"/unreadable slots out early over leaving them in the game. Idk, if anyone else has a more interesting angle to pursue on the pisx flip then I'm all ears but I'm drawing blanks on this one i've already said my piece on why i don't think the NKAs were done to relieve pressure off scumslots, but to say it for posterity: if that was the intention of the scum team, they would've wanted to kill someone more active. you mention crespo and neo in a later post for this bit so let's use them as hypotheticals: if you, as scum, were being scumread by crespo, neo and pisx, and were playing in a way that drew a fair amount of ire, what reason would have made you want to pick pisx over the other two, who were more active and had stronger reins on where the game was headed? There's nothing in pisx's ISO that actively indicates serial killer/non-town alignment btw. The likelihood of Mafia intentionally targeting serial killer there is extremely low. I don't really want to "clear" people just because pisx townread them and they flipped. At this point it probs makes most sense to look at people that pisx had explicitly scumread/declared to vote at a later stage. I have conflicted thoughts on the pisx flip + the intentions behind it but honestly I'm having trouble formulating a read on it that doesn't boil down to WIFOM so I'm stuck. In the instance that both the Winsy/Clem slots are actually town, it makes sense to keep them in the game for potential misvotes (+ obviously pisx scumreading them before flipping makes them look worse) but I feel like Winsy/Clem would've always been voted at one point or another regardless. As a side note, this makes me think Crespo is probably town given they sorta advocated for getting these "scummier"/unreadable slots out early over leaving them in the game. Idk, if anyone else has a more interesting angle to pursue on the pisx flip then I'm all ears but I'm drawing blanks on this one Reading this back I'm not super confident that the reasoning for my Crespo townread came across well but hopefully someone sees where I'm going with it? I townread Crespo (and by extension Neo) for wanting these slots gone early when other slots (fingerlings/aka to some extent/whoever else) were advocating for these slots to stay longer in one way or another. i kind of also want to just build on your point about crespo (or neo) advocating to leave easy day-votes alive by saying that they would've needed coordination from other scum to make the votes actually happen. i think we all have a similar understanding of who's leading town and who isn't rn, so if either of them were to flip-flop on their stance it'd look pretty bad for them I assume ur basically saying that Crespo and Neo had similar pushes to pisx so they wouldn’t kill a potential Townie siding with them Erm I guess this is simultaneously true but I didn't have it mind. My thinking was: Sure, the slots that pisx scumread (namely Clems/Winsy/Myan slot) look bad after she flipped. Those slots all benefit from killing her there because she made it public she'd commit to a vote on any of them. But in the instance one or all of these slots are town, the pisx kill just reads as another reason to SR those slots and push for their vote since they look the worst from it. Which is just unnecessary from Neo's POV since he already found reasons to scumread them anyway and it seemed like Crespo wanted to just vote these slots out to begin with. Does this make sense? Basically I don't think the potential motivations for the pisx kill would align with what Neo/Crespo were doing D1. I'm like fully aware this is probably a farfetched read so I actually would rather people poke holes in this if they wish to. i'll ask a little bit about the potential motivations bit: from the kill, would it make more sense for scum to be trying to relieve pressure from themselves (i.e. scum is winsy/clemens/fingerlings/etc.) or for scum to be trying to set up the d2 vote (i.e. scum is fingerlings/akakakp/etc.) crespo has already admitted that the latter is a possible reason for killing pisx, knowingly implicating themselves for it. discounting them for that ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/96607/thread |
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Post by cyan on Jul 13, 2023 10:57:17 GMT
down to clear fame off of pisxel kill btw ...? the obvious implication here is "fame wouldn't have agreed on a pisx kill" which is a. rather weak because 4 scum players exist and if 2 decided on it it's w/e, and b. so out of pocket i wouldn't be surprised if aka's justification was "oh they're both the campiest people playing rn" never backed down; my read on aka's read still stands, it's not a good one, i'm just no longer VOTING for it because the vote was initially a kneejerk reaction when it shouldn't have been. also didn't interact with your follow up because i don't feel the need to. if i agree with a post and have nothing else to add, i'm not going to quote it and be like "yay this read is so good!", that's silly! ( Clouds .. :webothcrode:) ——— anyways: reads | inac, to get them out of the way: 2) typicalbastard
> has not said a single word. yay! 3) lindauna
> has not said a single word. yay! 12) slowthepoke
> has not said a single word. yay! 14) latiosnumbers
> has not said a single word. yay! | inac... 6) Hadu✰dee
> has not said a single word. yay! however, this seems kinda like how they operate in psmaf games w little posts which is no excuse, but, when they're active, their reads can be v insightful; as such, i wld prefer if we left hadu alone and let them blossom when they finally decide to show even if it's obnoxious to do so. | actual reads in playerlist order 1) Crespo> town. no other questions thanks. 4) I'm not iamveryhappy
> scumlean/mostly null slot that needs time to develop based on what others have said about how they operate each game. > i will say though, i DO agree with Crespo 's " disagree it comes off as 'look at me i'm tryna read into people's lines to help!!' vibe" read, and that sort of fake activity that they've been displaying needs to be stopped or i'll have to vote them. 5) Cyan Talon> town lean for calling out bad "filler reads" from early on d1, like thank you for taking a stand? +++ their fame vote is understandable, but i don't like it 7) ddlcfan69> all of their messages are filler which is so fun like im giddy & jumping up and down. at least they voted!(?) null, this seems like typical trollish ddlc rn who's like probably busy irl? if i had to guess. 8) fame
> w my somewhat-extensive knowledge on how they act on chatroom-mafia, specifically with regards to their in-depthness & how paranoid they are about other town slots... this is town! next. 9) ihbst> has said like 3 lines and they were all useless asf and/or baseless so idk what to do w this slot. shocker. Scumlean 10) MyanMario> literally where did they go. scumreading them for being semiactive when game was at its most unimportant stage yet ignoring it when game is actually progressing & when no one is pressing them for anything (IN GENERAL. do not @ me with "well [x] person actually said [y] about them" bc that read clearly has not developed at all beyond that considering the lack of votes on them) 11) fingerlings> don't know what to make of this slot. be more townie. 13) winsytinsy> has kinda disappeared? why did their activity plummet after their filler got called out & any messages since then have been v short and substance-less; would appreciate if everyone watched out for this bc if this keeps up it cld be scum-indicative. 15) akakakp> null for me rn? they're just kinda saying whatever and it's working i guess. gun to my head i have to pick an alignment for them? town, regrettably. 17) Clouds> got no read on this to be quiet honest. their game has been very null for me in terms of pmeta; if i had to actually analyze their messages, most likely a town slot? they haven't done anything explicitly scummy from what i'm seeing rn reading thru their posts, so i'll go with that for now and see how they start acting. 18) neo> town for being so visible and trying to progress the game; scum would let the bad d1 activity sit & brew to use it as a read later on to push a vote, so i'm glad they're doing all that they're doing now rather than later. tldr proactive town member yay! ——— TLDR, myanmario needs to get up off the floor, and these inacs need to actually play the game. vote myanmarioI skimmed every page this feels like the only post I care about atm cuz im too tired to wallpost rn soz. pixs flipping sk means someone was scared of this wallpost imo because its the only post i see that goes over every player. Them flipping sk is funny but they were prob killed cuz they were either right about someones sr. for this reasoning alone i sus clemens lowkey only cuz myan subbed lol and winsy is bestie but it could also mean they tred scum and scum thought it would be ideal to kill them now possibly neo or like crespo but thats a shrug. im gonna go to bed cuz work sux but watch this drive in 8 hours i've already addressed this in my former read wall but i forgive you for not noticing. the problem with the pisxel wallpost is that the slots it's calling scummy are all slots other, more active players are calling scummy. no one has a reason to be scared of this wallpost, and if they were, they wouldn't be scared of pisxel more than, say, neo. pisxel is an extremely unlikely fearkill.also why would a scum opt to kill pisx if they're being townread by them and pisx was a fairly well-liked slot? and why would that implicate neo or crespo, what would they have to gain off of that kill? afraid of pisxel changing her mind mid-game? this NKA is offensively bad and i think ddlcfan69 needs to take mafia lessons asap. you like to keep 70% of your brain hidden so i'm going to do what you don't and talk about what makes fame townie: fame was the first person to kickstart NKA d2 and their angles of analysis have been nuanced and easy to follow. post below should be my responses to the things fame said d2 because i do feel like addressing them: |
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Post by cyan on Jul 13, 2023 4:08:48 GMT
okay there's something interesting about kliff's angle here; winsy, myan, clem and fingerlings still remain the most hated slots in the game, and for kliff to view them positively amidst all of this tells me they're unapologetically town. scum would leave the issue hanging at the very least and work off of the votes at most, unless they had an agenda in the works (the only signs of which i'm seeing today are a winsy wagon, which doesn't check out) where did you get this “viewed them positively” thing from? in this post and kliff’s most recent post they express suspicion or doubt on all these 4 slots. probably something to do with subjective perception but w/e i felt like kliff's "oh yeah i think X is town they're just a little sussy for this one thing" attitude demonstrates a net-positive view. more importantly i feel like they're hot takes that a scum player wouldn't benefit at all from posting (not even towncred) |
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Post by cyan on Jul 13, 2023 1:38:49 GMT
Vote Winsy Tinsy My vote is still staying here for now, really need Winsy to follow up on actually giving those reads they said they'd give rather than throwing out a random vote on Spiderz. Other things: - I don’t think that Clouds & Akakakp are partnered as scum here. I think Clouds’ read on pisx/aka potentially distancing themselves away from one another is actually fairly weak, and Aka calling out that Clouds should really be voting the Fingerlings slot over Aka is genuinely a good point. I don’t get the sense that these interactions would be mutually beneficial to fake if they’re aligned as scum? Kinda makes Clouds seem a little inconsistent? - Still not super happy with the Clems slot at all and I think it’s stupid to let someone bathe in the “well I can be scummy because playermeta” waters whilst everyone scrambles to piece together their alignment. Their most noteworthy post is essentially an attempt to out Mason partners (assuming that the “Neo and Fame know each other’s role” statement wasn’t a scumread). I'd like to know how Aka feels about Clem towards the end of today given they wanted to keep them around for the sake of being able to read them better at a later point. I don't really feel like having this slot around for too long if their only redeeming quality is the potential of being readable on D[X] for some player-meta reason over actual in-game content. - Fingerlings’ “part of how I scumread is determining if people are playing optimally to fit in with town and make it difficult to deduce their scum alignment and neither winsy or clem fit that bill” post confuses me too since none of the people who were blending into potentially “townier” slots were actually on Fingerlings’ radar as a potential vote or candidate for FOS. Not saying that they should force paranoid reads out on people they thought were town but I kinda see a mismatch between that idea & their policy vote on IHBST. Not really scum indicative per se but IDK I kinda would've expected some push back on people who were actively contributing in the thread over a weaker policy vote if this is how you scumhunt.i think i'm happy discarding my earlier scumread on fame because this (fingerlings read) is the level of depth that i thought was missing from their initial townread. if fingerlings is saying A and doing B that's a common scumtell and i think you've illustrated that well enough I'm now being asked to get up right I just did, and I'm not feeling well, someone get me a lemon tea (not cannibalism!) reads: fame and neo know of each other's roles (the one I am more confident on), I guess I'll wait to stop being the limbait (not likely) to see as being the limbait means that people look at your posts I just realised that the afk population... is massive. So many people not using votes. On the flipside, if they used their votes there will def be a chance I'll get smacked into oblivion d1, the second day of this game /shrug whoever pointed out I'm a punching bag, thank you. on reread this post is very Bad. wants people to read their posts but has a minimal amount of reads. complaining about people not using their vote and then doesn’t use their vote. like wtf is going on in that head of yours clemens in all honesty? probably that 你是那个 song on repeat Alright I skimmed Day 1, Probably only retained like 30-40% of the information. I have some starter thoughts but would rather make better reads as the game progresses. Some thoughts:
I think winsytinsy is a bit more of a town vibe for me though I do found it a bit weird of a progression. The only thing that concerns me that I also get the vibe that they may be intentionally trying to fly under the radar which is something I don't really like.Clouds/®➕➕/fame looks good to me at least on the surface myan mario / A kak akp / Clem all had post that strike to me add odd. Clem does look like a easy pounce but, There is a thought in the back of my mind that believes, "There is no way that I am witness !scum Clem at work"I like Crespo so far Not sure on fingerlings, just kind of get the vibe that they are trying their best?Cyan is just null I don't really have much input on anyone else. Some NKA:
Not sure why mafia decided to go for Pisxel, But I think Crespo/Cyan/Neo/Fame are unlikely suspects since pisxel had a town read them. Don't think that scum would disadvantaged them selves by killing a fellow potential "friend" as early as Day 1. Especially since they are short in numbers. Though nothing concrete. Sk targeting: (Not Likely) Town PR targeting: (Expected) fear kill: (Maybe) Cause why not: (Maybe) Reverse-Psychology kill: (Not Likely) Other: ? okay there's something interesting about kliff's angle here; winsy, myan, clem and fingerlings still remain the most hated slots in the game, and for kliff to view them positively amidst all of this tells me they're unapologetically town. scum would leave the issue hanging at the very least and work off of the votes at most, unless they had an agenda in the works (the only signs of which i'm seeing today are a winsy wagon, which doesn't check out) There's nothing in pisx's ISO that actively indicates serial killer/non-town alignment btw. The likelihood of Mafia intentionally targeting serial killer there is extremely low. I don't really want to "clear" people just because pisx townread them and they flipped. At this point it probs makes most sense to look at people that pisx had explicitly scumread/declared to vote at a later stage.I have conflicted thoughts on the pisx flip + the intentions behind it but honestly I'm having trouble formulating a read on it that doesn't boil down to WIFOM so I'm stuck. In the instance that both the Winsy/Clem slots are actually town, it makes sense to keep them in the game for potential misvotes (+ obviously pisx scumreading them before flipping makes them look worse) but I feel like Winsy/Clem would've always been voted at one point or another regardless. As a side note, this makes me think Crespo is probably town given they sorta advocated for getting these "scummier"/unreadable slots out early over leaving them in the game. Idk, if anyone else has a more interesting angle to pursue on the pisx flip then I'm all ears but I'm drawing blanks on this one i should note that pisx was quiet for a majority of her play time, and if mafia wanted to take out a threat they would've sniped someone stronger who was on the same reads. working off of pisxel's readwall should tell you all of her scumreads were pretty much the no-contest ones, ihbst included scum either has long-term goals with the shot or found her too hard to push we should vote fingerlings today, their responses to things are a lot of volume without substance & i think they're one of the most likely candidates trying to powerwolf This is quite the take, I read their iso and they seem ok to me. Would decently like to see the slot develop. If they are attempting to powerwolf then I don't think they are doing a good job. wrt winsy—there’s just no reason for him to do the things he did if he’s scum—actively posting d1 and then leaving, saying he’s going to make a reads list and then not making one—because I think he knows the activity dip is only going to put more eyes on him. if the page 1 posts were made to intentionally make winsy look good there’s no reason why he didn’t continue just, like, talking. I don’t buy that his activity at the beginning of the game is somehow related to him wanting to look townier because sustained posting only works if you actually substantively and actively post and winsy never tried to do any of that to look town. and if we was scum truly planning on laying low he wasn’t going to engage page 1 the way he did and dip knowing eyes were gonna be on him—he just woulda not said anything from the beginning. Its why I don’t see his page 1 posts or his activity dip as scummy and why I’m more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him elaborate on his reads later on I think this right here looks pretty bad. idk I think its both forceful and genuine. I mean look at the explanation, i don't understand 100% but I feel like something a town would come up with, unless they are just Bsing? The confident tone of this post is throwing me off. Yea, I think im conflicted on the fingerlings Slot. okay so kliff, man to man the iso doesn't do a good job of showing you the context behind posts. the feeling i had back then, and presumably what i and some other people still have now, was that fingerlings's play style was mainly reactionary and involved a lot of responses. there was thought, but there wasn't enough of it to constitute scumhunting (though it's definitely not pure IIoA). their actions have basically just felt... safe? this entire game though now that i think about it, doesn't this apply to pisx a little too I've seen that cyan's wanted to smack me out of oblivion for a bit now, what's stopped them? yday cyan wasn't on me in a pursuit of a diff vote in rvs, then onto someone like ihbst dunno what cyan's thinking |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2023 15:36:08 GMT
time for me to omgusor do an overreaction aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I'M GETTING VOTED EWEWEW SCUMMY WUMMY BAKA I'M NOT SCUM HELP ME I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M GETTING VOTE AAAAAAAAA I WANT TO OMGUS I don't like the above post - I was asking (being confused), I also was stating what I was thinking (bc what else do you do? Stay confused? bruh) - I didn't leave, I was always lurking there  - What stopped you from shifting onto me? - Can you not post walls? PLEASE AAAAA this is wrong. I'm ALWAYS SCUMMY on mobile so can’t do spoiler tab I mentioned earlier that this game, clem seems to be playing the same game he got caught with as scum last time—kinda over the top. If you look at the some of his posts at face value they don’t look very good (like his very random reaction to getting one vote on him?) but like with winsy there’s less reason for clem to be doing what he’s doing as scum knowing hes going to get a lot of attention on his posts, so thats why I said I hope he’s town because I hope he isn’t scum playing the same he did last time easy surface level read is if fingerlings is scum clemens is their partner the "i hope he isn't scum" angle is weird because it tells me fingerlings wants clemens alive, for... some reason? does anyone think they're close enough friends for this to be normal |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2023 11:37:50 GMT
for the sake of both me not dying d1 and because i think this angle is worth a fair amount of merit, i will now shift my vote onto the player of least importance Unvote FameVote ihbstin a perfect world my vote order is winsy/fame/aka/clem first and everyone else after but alas i know its not the entire reason but finding it a little strange considering how well you've been playing for you think the other 15 players wouldve let you die to a 2 plur vote in a lolwagon being made up by clems and ddlc i mean there's barely anyone here but yeah i can kinda see that |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2023 2:46:29 GMT
oh yeah i might consider adding crespo to that pool. controversial take, maybe but low priority, if that's a concern for you. i just don't like the frequency:content ratio of their posts, with most of them being one-line observations. at the same time i think it's a good thing that they're stirring discussion in productive directions so i'm going to leave this far in the backburner iso them for the full picture, these posts are here just to illustrate my point: i really just have a hard time following this whole thing considering i think the starting point shouldn’t have been a starting point to begin with actually i guess it makes sense on neo’s part if he wants to reaction bait and make the thread go somewhere but the only iffy response is winsy admitting they’re posting less (albeit for oog reasons) okay i'm going to actually pull a 180 on everything i've done up to this point and say that i sl clem for their recent string of posts. it's frankly kinda weird that they're making blatant attempts at banter (with less substance than 9am fish 15p modexe town!cy trying to stay sane) while other slots are engaging in serious discussion. granted i don't think the discussion going on rn is productive, and i can see why someone would refuse to engage with it, but i'm not getting that sense i get the read on clem but also like my issue with it is just doesn't clem behave like this as either alignment? (hence my somewhat policy vote as soon as i realised this game wasn't gonna be different for them) upon first read of thread did not like akakakp’s posts, but they’re not actually bad i like the clouds questioning just the entrance was extremely iffy really dislike that reaction from pisx but it's so ballsy that i have to TR her. if they are scum they are just asking for me to vote/tunnel them and I was definitely thinking about it. can we get a votecount mymemoryisbad but also the first half of this message reads as conceding in the interactions with pisx to just end it and move on, to avoid thread pressure |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2023 2:41:55 GMT
What about fame’s post makes you think they’re very paranoid? They’ve been in depth but I don’t see any of their reads as being outside the gamestate or burning hot—they’ve been more disciplined than agitated. Also paranoia can be great when they’ve been multiple town misvotes that cause you to reassess previously-read townslots, but none of this has happened yet and there hasn’t been any flips that could cause you to think this less than 48 hours in. I’m inferring that you think the paranoia is warranted when you mention how fame’s paranoia makes them town, which makes me think there’s a mismatch between how we see the game right now considering there’s been no information to think this way the general way they've been operating the game & clearly being very wary of how they're interacting with other people is very much so akin to how they act in games as town. see : them questioning my read on them as town/not scum for a seemingly strange, at least fmpov, reason - it's likely that they'll question intentions of other players townreading them v publicly and that's what i'm referring to for the sake of both me not dying d1 and because i think this angle is worth a fair amount of merit, i will now shift my vote onto the player of least importance Unvote FameVote ihbstin a perfect world my vote order is winsy/fame/aka/clem first and everyone else after but alas |
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Post by cyan on Jul 11, 2023 2:38:01 GMT
on a more serious note i have a bit of an issue with fame: this post could very easily be an attempt to salvage winsy's slot. and i'm going to say it's worth considering given that "winsy got neo to speak up by annoying him, i think winsy intentionally generated content out of neo" is a wack ass read when the post sequence looks like this:
and on a less scummy but equally icky note, there's this angle of discussion that is being continued for reasons that have jack all to do with who is scum.bless cyan talon for being a productive member of the game with good reads and actual analysis, though i'm hesitant to vote fame since they're actually providing some insight in their posts which is more than i can say compared to most of this pl rn. i will be keeping my eye on them & how their reads progress. i suggest everyone do the same, because this read/vote has value. as a bit of a p.s. i'm not actually all that big on the fame read. the winsy partner idea is half-dead at this point and i do think there's a non-zero possibility of fame being genuine with their contribution; it's just very weak in terms of quality, and in a way that might not but also might be intentional I'm now being asked to get up right I just did, and I'm not feeling well, someone get me a lemon tea (not cannibalism!) reads: fame and neo know of each other's roles (the one I am more confident on), I guess I'll wait to stop being the limbait (not likely) to see as being the limbait means that people look at your posts I just realised that the afk population... is massive. So many people not using votes. On the flipside, if they used their votes there will def be a chance I'll get smacked into oblivion d1, the second day of this game /shrug whoever pointed out I'm a punching bag, thank you. you know i'm glad that you dropped some sort of interesting read but you should really work on expanding your thoughts k some thoughts here before i'm out for a while: - cresposting is fine, he's more active than i expected early on i guess. i tend to read toni as null early on most of the time and i think i'm landing somewhere in that range again or slightly on the townlean side. he's shown he's taking the time to try to understand the motives behind someone posting something which i think bodes well for him - akakakp opener was not great and aka/pisx has a decent chance of being t/s in some direction i think, as does winsy/fingerlings just based on how they both weighted their presence most heavily at daystart and then kinda disappeared afterwards. aka/winsy are probably not s/s paired with the way aka defended winsy in their opener, but i don't like fingerlings making like 1 post taking a stance against aka and then not exploring their thoughts on aka after, that reeks of potential fake distancing - afk so far: tb, lindauna, hadu, ihbst, stp, latios #s. you're probably gonna wind up having at least a few town (and possibly sk) in this list just by nature of how these games are & the level of responsibility wolves often feel to get something down early and not be the lagging strand of the team. this is not a tr for any of them and hopefully we'll see some activity from here soon, just something to keep in mind if this game goes in the direction of "chop the afks" and it becomes clear it's a result of wolves pouncing on the opportunity to dominate thread due to low game activity as it stands i'd vote fingerlings, akakakp, ddlc over anyone else vote Fingerlingsthe last forums game I played almost all of the scum were afk, and from personal experience afk isn’t really indicative of alignment, so I’d slightly caution against that saying that—chopping the afks can be a valid strategy if we suspect scum lurking and generally I wouldn’t call it opportunistic at all something kind of just irks me with how you're choosing to respond to the one least substantial point of the post where you're being voted. (if it's not clear you = fingerlings) in any case i do want to note that aka's recent activity has been very lackluster so clouds may be onto something with the distancing bit; full-blown confrontation between scum is a rare form of distancing nowadays and i usually see more scum A being hyper-aggressive and scum B being "eh." |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 14:53:31 GMT
what the fuck happened to your formatting
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 14:34:14 GMT
I have no personal experience with Clem in either alignment so I'd definitely be waiting to see if their posts become more engaged (since I don't really know what their perspective is other than "I'm here! Just not reading, and btw I disagree but not for any particular reason"). Also I think the "so why are you answering Neo's questions for him?" post was really superficial given that every post before it was me trying to gauge Neo's perspective in some way. It reads more to me as "I'm out of the loop but you guys must be partnered if you're interacting so much!". Also I think Cyan's post re: angles of discussion not actually contributing to scumhunting is fine. I don't really wanna comment extensively to avoid running around in circles but ya point taken. FWIW I'm more interested in trying to understand who is townie in these early posts rather than explicitly scumhunting since I tend to be more on the paranoid side & that hinders me from working w/ people. Maybe that gives perspective on my posts / maybe it doesn't but just smth I wanted to note. I like Crespo's posts btw I think they're picking up on things that I wouldn't have noticed myself (like Clouds being more 'safe' than usual). A lot of slots in the game are also currently null due to little to no content so hopefully that changes shortly!! i am unfortunately very conflicted on fame because at the end of the day i'm forced to contemplate between +: towny tone and general attentiveness --: superficial and weak reads that don't have too much thought put into them let me steer discussion in a more constructive manner, then. answer in at least three sentences: is winsy tinsy more likely to be town or scum? on a more serious note i have a bit of an issue with fame: this post could very easily be an attempt to salvage winsy's slot.
just as like an fyi here s!fame probably isn't ever defending s!winsy that early into the thread and with that strong of a stance, pmeta but for good reason duly noted, but you can kinda see where i'm going with it, no? i'll wait for fame's response to my question to decide whether or not this angle is worth pushing i love playing "is clem just scum getting bussed for his unusual play" or "is clem town and just the punching bag for his unusual play" it's so fun unfortunate! i think it's grating |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
okay i'm going to actually pull a 180 on everything i've done up to this point and say that i sl clem for their recent string of posts. it's frankly kinda weird that they're making blatant attempts at banter (with less substance than 9am fish 15p modexe town!cy trying to stay sane) while other slots are engaging in serious discussion. granted i don't think the discussion going on rn is productive, and i can see why someone would refuse to engage with it, but i'm not getting that sense i get the read on clem but also like my issue with it is just doesn't clem behave like this as either alignment? (hence my somewhat policy vote as soon as i realised this game wasn't gonna be different for them) i have played one game with clem. they were scum, i was town, i got them smacked out d1 for pulling the exact same shit they're doing now obviously it's not good enough for pmeta but i am going to strictly call them less than town for it |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 13:14:08 GMT
on a more serious note i have a bit of an issue with fame: somehow disagree with your reasoning for everything you posted here but whatever wont address whatever you think about my posts or how "authentic they are" and would very much argue that winsy is not by any means pressing the thread for content reads Considering you're arguing against the opening filler, how else do you suggest they open the thread/how would you have started the thread if you had been post #1? Genuine question. You came into the thread with the advantage of someone starting the thread for you and came out of it looking somewhat townie. Your reads quite literally aren't possible unless they make those initial posts, so to argue that it didn't generate any discussion / they weren't pressing the thread for reads is kind of weird imo. That was clearly their intention IMO, given they responded to you voting them with "at least you're talking" and voting you back "just to make things interesting". I'd agree that declaring your vote as RVS/something to generate content is kind of meaningless/redundant since it eliminates any pressure you can apply with your vote. But still. this post could very easily be an attempt to salvage winsy's slot. and i'm going to say it's worth considering given that "winsy got neo to speak up by annoying him, i think winsy intentionally generated content out of neo" is a wack ass read when the post sequence looks like this:
vote winsytinsyforgive me for sweating in the first 10 minutes of the game but hating the thread bloat already At least you are talking Last Forum Game was rlly dead, so id rather that not happen again, even if the convo is meaningless Last Forum Game was rlly dead, so id rather that not happen again, even if the convo is meaningless as much as I appreciate the sentiment the previous statement somehow stands and how useless is the "conversation" if your literally giving someone a chance to have you claim your role as much as I appreciate the sentiment the previous statement somehow stands and how useless is the "conversation" if your literally giving someone a chance to have you claim your role I don't think either of us took that seriously. Honestly the line of argument here is pretty weak In the sake of making things interesting Vote neonaruto
it's not how you're talking but how much thought and theory you are putting into your posts. what do we get from discussing the theory of how a mafia game starts. it's just so distanced from the actual words being said in the thread. Every post thus far is about someone's opening and another persons read of it. I feel like it's perfectly valid to ask how someone expects the thread to start/what they think people should open with if they're going to press someone for being filler-y/bloating the thread from posts 1-14. I don't really agree that it's distanced at all ngl. and on a less scummy but equally icky note, there's this angle of discussion that is being continued for reasons that have jack all to do with who is scum. Vote Famei want some progress here. |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 13:05:45 GMT
okay i'm going to actually pull a 180 on everything i've done up to this point and say that i sl clem for their recent string of posts. it's frankly kinda weird that they're making blatant attempts at banter (with less substance than 9am fish 15p modexe town!cy trying to stay sane) while other slots are engaging in serious discussion.
granted i don't think the discussion going on rn is productive, and i can see why someone would refuse to engage with it, but i'm not getting that sense
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 13:00:02 GMT
vote: cyan talon staffhate is fun admit it you're salty i got you turbokilled d1 last game |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 1:11:22 GMT
unfortunately i will have to properly engage with this game after at least eight hours, or at least when i'm not taking a shitter in Shanghai
first thoughts are that i think the discourse surrounding "X is town because they called out fillering d1" only applies if the fillerer was being deliberate. calling out fillering is a goddamn easy way to act like you're analysing the game and contributing to town play without putting an ounce of effort into scumhunting, and the only thing to balance that out is genuine and blatant town frustration (hence the deliberate part). telling banterers to fuck off does not make a slot town
not making any reads here, just trying to address the arguments in favor of neo
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Post by cyan on Jul 2, 2023 17:56:58 GMT
i am IN
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Post by cyan on May 7, 2023 8:52:12 GMT
the game straight up died and couldn't be saved
gg to ailura/sayggtome but my god people were robbed today
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Post by cyan on May 3, 2023 2:15:56 GMT
this slot hasn't been particularly townie this game+can fit in with both scum tell me if there's something i missed ailura has been kind of a uni-tr for the length of the game and if you're going to argue that they haven't been particularly townie you'll need to put in the extra legwork on the other hand, i can construct a readlist of the currently active from their iso prior to subbing (i.e. in D2): Town: Scorr, Schia
Null: Sylveon
Null-scum: akakakp
Scum: Cyan
: CCGeek
I'm placing CCGeek at because it looks like they were pushing them as scum D1 and dropped the read with zero further mention after Clemens flipped. the question is: were they counterpushing (which would make them either town TRing clem or ice goo with a lean towards the latter), or were they dropping a read (which would make them more likely fire maf than town)?
it's worth pointing out at least that the null-scum read on akakakp was fairly strong that if i were town in their eyes i feel like their read progression would've forced them to jump on akakakp. for what it's worth they remained on me the rest of the day but were never present long enough to post an update
the lack of effort being put in by ihbst to case is worrying, but the point itself holds upon inspection. question is, did ihbst say this as a throwaway line or were they actually analysing the game? |
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Post by cyan on May 2, 2023 14:53:44 GMT
which, need i remind you, ccgeek was clemens' counterwagon and there was all the reason to push the slot for "lack of activity"
with how frequently ccgeek gets wagoned and turboed this game i may have to just locktown them despite their absolute lack of input
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Post by cyan on May 2, 2023 14:52:52 GMT
why would I kill ftf my friend this was never implied in conversation at any point in the game btw ihbst is literally speaking in a way that cannot be explained from a town perspective okay but you haven't exactly explained why and your read dump from earlier makes me think you scumread ccgeek because... clemens did? |
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Post by cyan on May 2, 2023 14:50:56 GMT
also don't you think scorrching is a weird kill when theaph wasn't on the fire wagon, we should also talk about this kill. scorr was the akakakp counterwagon. unless you think there's some deeper meaning behind the kill looking into it is kind of pointless in fact, if you actually had thoughts, you would've given us some sort of guess as to what fire mafia wanted to achieve with the scorr kill. but no, you're just doing textbook IIoA + "Look at Me, I'm Helpful" |
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Post by cyan on May 2, 2023 4:17:21 GMT
uh, format failure
[ b ] text [ / b ] is how you bold without spaces
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Post by cyan on May 2, 2023 4:16:55 GMT
**vote CCGeek** I'm on mobile I'll fix later. you can use |
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I had to make a whole ass google doc to stop getting distracted by funni memes
okay okay
). Overall probably the best slot in the game in terms of overall reads/activity.
