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Post by cyan on Jul 29, 2022 0:46:03 GMT
explain this in depth to me Alright time for the post I have been willing to make so I can explain my ct read So basically my main reason is them being very passive they havent really pushed most of their reads and have instead focused on commenting other people's posts and not pushing their own reads* their stance to the game is too passive for me plus there have been multiple instances of them just Buddying slots like fort Another incident which pushed me to vote them here is are we going to just ignore the entirety of me pushing for an xdrudi vote today? more on that later, though
it feels awkward for mighty to just pull up with the "cyan has been buddying fort" especially when that was originally what i suggested they might be doing as a throwaway possibility. like dude literally addresses this in the paragraph right after1. Cyan talon d1 was pretty weird because when I just said good strategy to fort d1 I was accused of pocketing them and I felt like ok this discussion could probably give me info on cyan talon +increase discussion by introducing a debate and push the game from the then apparent lurker era then again i can't fault someone for trying to start an angle of discussion, but the framing of this post just sounds more hostile than genuineSo I continued to defend and attack their weak reads Then fort just told them to end discussion and they agreed its not like he was being forced by fort who just one random line in one of the 6 different lines or their post (or 5 maybe) and I didn't think cyan talon would just back down but he actually didn't he still scum read which felt weird "i didn't think cyan would stop a discussion, and he didn't" is not suspect playWhy would cyan talon just stop a discussion with their scumread instead of attacking their scumread and pointing out their flaws there and then and get more info I think a town at that moment would do the same because you suck at reading through my veiled insults
Good strategy I dont see why people are voting pkq when they are about to go afk Vote cyan talon"good strategy" like no offense to fort but that's literally just an argument in favour of hypoing plus a mini-guide on how to do it you're either pocketing or not thinking super hard and you're a little lucky that my impression of you favours the latter possibility by a long stretch* - I do this too but like I try to push my current votes for example my previous vote on you was so that I could get some pressure on you so there could be more activity from your part ,your vote probably worked as a breeding ground for scum aswell I think the people staying on you who will not shift by eod will become more prominent scum leans for me Vote cyan talon oh, the hypocrisy but more importantly i'm kind of bothered by how seriously mc is taking this like sure, it's my fault for being a dick, but this scumcase against me feels like a massive exercise in defensive play, not offensive; that's now how scumreads work, generally |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:24:18 GMT
no no, after your new push on mighty i think i can say you're going somewhere
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:20:58 GMT
ddlc - watch this drive (I can not, for the life of me, tell you what ddlc's alignment is atm.) is this ddlc slander i'm down for it |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:19:23 GMT
Scumread Cyan talon: it feels like most of their posts radiate that third person energy just judging posts Buddying energy explain this in depth to me he hasn't even voted me yet don't bother asking it's clearly slapdash |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:18:38 GMT
So, apologize for lurk. I had a very busy day. I did not intend to stay on dkkoba this long but things got in the way. Yes, it was mostly an emotional reaction but I still don't like the way EoD was handled. Whatever. unvote dkkoba, vote xdrudi for now since I'm not actually going to death tunnel for one interaction but I don't necessarily TR just yet. MC is making a bunch of throwaway lines as if this is chat mafia. A little sus. I'm going to wait and see what these supposed reads he has to offer so let's wait for that. This "if I vote OM, they will make a read" thing sounds like something you would say during RVS but it is day2. Sus. It's also annoyingly passive in that MC is not actually asking OM to do anything directly. I feel like xdrudi is leaning into their noobness a little too much. I've only played 1 other game with them so it's hard to tell definitively but there they made a genuine townslip and something about their "innocent questions" here seem a little fake? I can't quite put my finger on it. To actually answer your question, I did not have a hard TR on Martin but I did read him as a new player that wasn't exactly sure how to play but was beginning to try by the end of the day. He could have still flipped scum but I thought I had a stronger SR on people who were making the easy push on him than whatever read I had on Martin himself. To me, the only thing worse than actually staying on the terrible martin wagon is still trying to justify it after they flipped PR. Like yes, if Martin knew how to play they would have claimed Seer at some point but that doesn't mean your vote on them was good and you are vindicated. MMIB's "wow Martin. Thanks a lot for not claiming!" type comment bothers me but he also was not on the wagon so I'm just going to read it as frustration. I was frustrated at the end of the day too. If someone on the OM wagon could give me an actual SR on OM I would greatly appreciate it. I don't think I've seen a concrete one but maybe I missed it. to clear up some things for why martin was wagoned (i think) so martin was extremely inactive in noc1 game2, like he had a total of ~3 posts and they all said something like "hi" or "gm". we were pretty pissed about that considering the inactiveness/subs of game2, and ig people didnt want that *again* so they immediately wagoned him d1. tldr: martin lurked a ton and got carried in game2, peeps didnt want that john: "i don't like that people are justifying the martin vote after they flipped PR" this madlad: *justifies the martin vote* but in all honesty, mmib, my man. you better do your voting privileges a favour before you become another scum countercase target it still isn't obvious to me why you scumread john here because it looks like you just have beef |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:14:23 GMT
I'm currently up to page 12 I have decided the wagon on me is baseless, actually pkq's read is wifom (Fort is killed because an inactive strong player is wanting to take over!! - note: I was scumread twice day 1.) mighty cannon just wants to pressure me to make reads look like garbage (?) Feels weird because I thought mc had decent town vibes mid-d2 but this is such an awkward shift dkkoba is tunneling me for... idk being busy I think? tl:dr I have accumulated votes because I did not prioritize playing this game actually, i think this is more progress for the pkq + mighty partnership read i had d1? like the two of them have kind of been bickering for all of d2 but ultimately they're on the same wagon and for the same stated reason: "pressure" coincidentally, one of the textbook responses when someone asks why a vote is being pushed and there isn't a good response mighty has not shown interest in putting pressure on OM aside from jumping on the vote, and pkq's follow-up NKA post was just... all over the place somehow i'm even more inclined to push them here in spite of everything i've said up to this point |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:08:59 GMT
i am confused on who to vote rn before i shift to cyan talon and start wagoning them i want a readlist from them unvote OmDefinitely unvoting Om right now though now om is back in business I am gonna reread and post my readlist now and find those stupid PKQ posts i had seen that made me feel weird about the slot have i not already made my distaste for readlists clear? - xdrudi has still not done anything to progress the game or show an interest in doing so. even their read on me has been abandoned - pkq is playing like a dunning-kruger case study. while i don't think the slot is scum as of now, i'm conflicted on whether or not i should push them or the people on them for going for a cheap wagon - dkkoba has yet to call out pkq for being a "follower" - not sure what this means - what's jeff even doing? - john and dkkoba get slight town points for emotional investment, but that's the extent of my reads on them |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 14:01:54 GMT
Hi, sorry I thought I'd have more time for this game but I clearly do not Will try to get some progress done before I sub out would you look at that, i WAS right about the activity @gary can we get a sub extension if someone comes in to take OM's place? i don't want the pressure to diffuse just yet |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 14:00:46 GMT
NGL my day 1 wasn't the best, but I am sure I made up for that in day 2 and I gave out my reads if you haven't see them. About this lunar and om thing, I put a vote on lunar on the beginning of the day to put pressure on him while I was looking to make solid reads and I guess you already seen the rest on why I chose OM. The reason I got off this slot because when lunar got sub I want to sub to easy there way in and I have players I think that deserve more pressure then lunar after day 1. I try to make myself look like a proper player, but not everyone see the proper player in me like I see in me. this entire post is a massive ego trip but we're not going to talk about that. so, if i'm going to take this to mean what you want it to mean, you wanted to put pressure on lunar and now om. which then begs the question; why OM now? half the PL looks like they're out for his throat, and even if i find it a reasonable push in isolation, i don't know why you're jumping on a wagon and calling it pressure - especially when even mc looks more enthusiastic about the idea than you. in regards to your NKA, uh... you're operating purely off of assumptions. sure, OM stands to gain the most from lurking and picking off powerful players as scum, but that same argument applies to any scumteam that isn't made entirely out of noobs. hell, you can even argue that fort was killed by noobs who were afraid of their vocal playstyle. through your justifications, there is no reason to believe that OM is more scum out of anyone else. secondly, i'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that when the latter half of this would be linking to ddlcfan69. how does this kill help scum no. 2 achieve their agenda in any way, shape or form? didn't mean for this to be a ripping-apart post, but your conclusions lead nowhere. the only thing of merit you've done is tagging along. unvote john vote mighty bro half ur posts are asking for other peoples reads you seem to just want other peoples reads and base stuff around that like my dude half of ur posts are "[user] can u give updated read post" Half is more of an exaggeration look man if people give reads constantly then I can PoE them out in many situations this is my playstyle and how I play To cyan talon and you talking about why I voted om is the reason that town om probably would try to defend themselves more and form reads if he is pressured by multiple votes if om is scum then we are just gonna get him off the game Also my 2nd post was a joke considering people in the past have considered Om to be a cheater (not even as a shitpost just reporting to auth about it) when he obviously isnt shows how good he is at the game albeit that was about a lylo thing or idk i forgot this is hardly a good justification when OM hasn't even shown signs of activity aside from the snarkpost that started off d2, well before you started your pressure push dude could've just forgotten about the game and you'd be grabbing for his throat for it then again, i do feel like mmib's angle of attack here is a bit too simple? it's very easy to smack mc for it but i will be intently watching how far mmib wants to go |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 1:30:39 GMT
The NK on Fort made a lot of sense, but I've been really confused about the kill on DDLC, from a scum perspective I feel like Koba would've been a much more obvious kill. I'm starting to think that that was part of the reasoning behind the DDLC kill though. The best scenario for scum would be to hit as many town as possible, with two factions in this they have the potential to get two kills per night, however, if both factions shot the same slot then obviously it wouldn't be optimal for them. Because of this I believe one faction went with a fairly direct kill, being Fort, and the other went with a much less obvious kill so that they wouldn't end up doubling up in shooting major slots like Koba or Fort. Reading back through DDLC's iso, over half of their posts were just jokes and when they did finally hop on PKQ they didn't provide any reasoning to back it up really. Despite this DDLC is a usually a very good player from my experience with them, so it would make sense why scum would want to through out a slot that's both low radar, due to my previously explained reasoning, but also has the potential to be a threat to them. Its because of this that I honestly don't think PKQ is related whatsoever to the DDLC's death here, its more like PKQ was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's not to say PKQ isn't scum, not by any means, but it is to say that pushing them over DDLC's death here is a lazy line of logic imo when there's so many more angles you could view that death from and so much more information you could likely get out of it because of that. i don't want to be That Guy, but i think you've just straight-up undermined the point you were trying to make if we operate off of the assumption that ddlc was killed because scum thought he was a low-radar potential threat, then we'd best be looking at people who would be threatened by him. i mentioned PKQ, and your chain of thought leads to a net 360 degree turn that puts them out of the spotlight and back again. still, there is an angle that i forgot to consider; what if the faction that killed ddlc was scumhunting? who would have reason to suspect ddlc, and why? keep in mind that scumhunting as scum in a 2v2v11 non-vanilla is generally Not Good thanks to the presence of power roles + the lack of ability to gain any significant town following even with the opposite team out of the picture, so if that were true i think the conclusion to be made is that ddlc was killed by werewolves. it also follows that if all of this hypothesis is true, we should be looking at less competent players for werewolves |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 1:20:06 GMT
until OM comes on and does something i'm going to act like the wagon doesn't exist
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 1:19:16 GMT
so i'm going to need mmib and jeff to step up for themselves here. both of you, pick a vote and justify it to me. if you can't, pick someone you think should not be voted under any circumstance today. mmib needs to do this more because they've already shown hints of thought progression and i want to see those trains reach their final destination since i forgot to do that in my post but why does all my stuff gotta run through you? i need to know where you stand so i can get into your mindset. anyway uh this is a response for the sake of responding so let's get into what really happened today i generally don't like how pkq is approaching this game. Damn I have to change my game plan now. vote OM i can definitely stand behind the idea of mighty being town from a scumhunting perspective, they seem lost and that's about the perfect thing to be feeling right now i think the mighty/pkq relationship is still worth paying attention to given that their clash feels a smidge forced, but among the two i'd be less hesitant on voting pkq given their lack of attention and ddlcfan69 being a potential fearkill. problem is, these two pieces of evidence contradict each other, and it might well be worth considering that pkq is being framed i'm going to set aside dkkoba vs. om and leave it to the two of them to duke it out. i kind of feel like they might be TvT though. Another angle that needs to be point out is where the shift of attention from day 1 to day 2 went because I think I am just low hanging fruit that scum wants to make even lower. lack of engagement, no visible indication of reads, and a lot of other stinky things that make them look like low-effort town at best and low-effort scum at worst. having a game plan revolving around voting lunarmob is already a telltale sign, but voting OM right after that? you're either sheeping or opportunistic if you're concerned about being low hanging fruit, you need to make yourself look like a proper player. all this said i'm still not willing to vote pkq because a. being sick sucks ass and b. too many people have been willing to go on this wagon throughout the game and i am Uncomfortable this is my first time getting on since when i posted yesterday. sorry about that. looking back at martin tho and their one post of note, it feels like they were genuine about not being familiar with the game instead of just trying to be useless. makes me feel like people that voted martin after that post are either scum or just very unsympathetic. if they were someone with any familiarity with mafia, they wouldn't've feigned ignorance as a pr. if that was their whole strategy on the other hand, then it was stupid and they deserve to die fort death suckssssss. liked their hypo idea. i do wanna focus on the other 3 slots on the martin wagon from last night tho so xdrudi, dkkoba and erry. one of these is a wagon gaining traction, one of these is an active poster who sits on this weird center between scumhunter and low-efforter, and one of these showed up with four reads and a point of contest against my NKA take if anything i think dkkoba is the most likely town out of the three, but what are your takes on them? lmao i love how dkkoba typed out so much in their emotional response yet didn't actually provided a reason for their vote shift. keeping your vote on OM would've been consistent with the things you had said thus far. martin still would've been dead without your shift. why did you shift? Yes just ignore everything else ive posted the whole game and use recency bias thats always worked amirite I voted martin bc being on top wagon is pro circuit. Thats it. If martin flipped scum it benefits me. Not being on the wagon only hurts me well that's... mildly asshat behaviour then again it's not outwardly game-breaking, the only significant thing it accomplished was secure plurality away from xdrudi, and i think that should be overlooked i could make a case on an xdrudi + dkkoba partnership given that dkkoba was significantly less hostile to xdrudi than everyone else in the game on top of this, but altogether i think it's weak enough to just keep a mental note of and conveniently forget about From the people who didnt want to kill Marvin I really want to know why. Like it just doesnt make sense to me why we shouldnt kill someone who had pressure vote(s) on them and all they said was "heyyy". It just feels like a school project where everyone is doing something for the project and one is doing nothing. Over all I would say that Cyan is just searching for small things to make people get voted which I think is sus. i still stand by the martin vote, but your actions this entire game have been one of two things: - justifying a blatantly low-effort vote that many others were piling on for emotional reasons - defending said vote after it flips town pr the bit about me is laughably insignificant because not only is it a non-sequitur, it reeks of blanket defense plenty of others have been using what arguably counts as "small things" as their basis for voting. the only thing separating me from them is that i'm pushing you. i know koba wants us to be a bit more lenient on this slot, and i respect the sportsmanship, but xdrudi needs to cut the slack and give us something to work with instead of making a concerted effort to not try Gm honestly have to go to school in an hour and i feel like at this point i am just gonna wait for more reads Vote OmFastest way of securing reads is to vote om so wee OM has provided no insight in the past 24 hours. i'm not sure what you'd get from pushing a pressure vote like this |
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 15:31:48 GMT
so i'm going to need mmib and jeff to step up for themselves here.
both of you, pick a vote and justify it to me. if you can't, pick someone you think should not be voted under any circumstance today.
mmib needs to do this more because they've already shown hints of thought progression and i want to see those trains reach their final destination
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 14:45:57 GMT
actually now that i think about it, why did mmib say fort was "def fearkilled"?
like i alluded to fort being obv pr by the hypo suggestions right at the start of d2 and it kind of feels weird that mmib either glossed over it or tried to make themselves look clever with NKA
either way it's a massive fail
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 14:43:54 GMT
i can definitely stand behind the idea of mighty being town from a scumhunting perspective, they seem lost and that's about the perfect thing to be feeling right now
i think the mighty/pkq relationship is still worth paying attention to given that their clash feels a smidge forced, but among the two i'd be less hesitant on voting pkq given their lack of attention and ddlcfan69 being a potential fearkill.
problem is, these two pieces of evidence contradict each other, and it might well be worth considering that pkq is being framed
i'm going to set aside dkkoba vs. om and leave it to the two of them to duke it out. i kind of feel like they might be TvT though.
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 14:40:02 GMT
ight im here and ngl fort was defo fearkilled. unfortunate that he was cop asw, also thanks martin for not saying anything so we ended up voting our seer mighty pointed out that fort was clearly pr just seconds ago but i'm going to expand on this because this entire post kind of feels really fucking fake idt i'm going to get much progress out of pushing xdrudi until they respond so let me look at other angles here |
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 14:38:10 GMT
i feel like what you say of PKQ being killed due to them being a threat to PKQ or PKQ being framsd is probably true but theres also the possibility pkq is scum+being framed by 3rd faction and i feel like PKQ D1 was probably weird One more thing about dkkoba is that i feel like they actually gave good reads and didn't really push them i feel like in the end dkkoba wanted to avoid voting PKQ there as they wanted other faction scum alive On my day 1 I try to gather a good enough information to make a good vote, but I got nothing. Also, I was still sick so I wasn't in to day 1 like I should be. if you're going to pull the "i was reading in d1" card Also as a hypo claim n1 Zatch don't give hypos when both of our investigatives are dead |
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 13:17:19 GMT
man i thought fort was pr/scum sigh Honestly want to vote dkkoba rn couldn't understand that shift last time i havent read up since i might not have enough time rn to read and then post so im writing this before i post Vote dkkobaRest of dkkoba d1 was pretty towny ngl Moreover i have a few gut reads of sring PKQ and cyan talon here Honestly i see one of the active players killing fort here but we will see since most prs are dead i think i will just say i feel like om is either another pr or scum "i want to vote dkkoba but the rest of their d1 was towny" > proceeds to vote dkkoba bro come on there is no excuse for this slapdash reading approach especially when you've got two gutreads you could pressure and a clusterfuck of a d1 to talk about quick nka attempt tells me that ddlcfan69 was killed because they were against the martin wagon and pushed pkq in its place puts some pressure on pkq especially since someone who would've counterwagoned them in d1 would also probably be wagoning them d2 it's blatant enough that pkq being framed is worth considering, but nonetheless i think we should expect scum to be trying to remove pressure from that slot given the rather low-radar nature of the kill i feel like what you say of PKQ being killed due to them being a threat to PKQ or PKQ being framsd is probably true but theres also the possibility pkq is scum+being framed by 3rd faction and i feel like PKQ D1 was probably weird One more thing about dkkoba is that i feel like they actually gave good reads and didn't really push them i feel like in the end dkkoba wanted to avoid voting PKQ there as they wanted other faction scum alive so i think the point you're trying to make is that PKQ and dkkoba are potential partners. and it just comes off as odd that, in the same post and the one before it, you'd be calling dkkoba's reading game "towny" and "good" like i'm not saying you're wrong, but i do have trouble understanding what you believe to be dkkoba's alignment because you're doing two things alluding to opposite conclusions I'm senseing alotta animosity but let me remind you all that I am the undisputed goat. ... gary can we get a sub for this bastard Btw i still think john and mightycannon are very town. This is not an invitation to push them that's extremely helpful considering you've spent more of the game grilling your townreads over pressuring your scumreads you're parked on OM. that's fine. now where should we take this from here |
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 9:16:57 GMT
quick nka attempt tells me that ddlcfan69 was killed because they were against the martin wagon and pushed pkq in its place
puts some pressure on pkq especially since someone who would've counterwagoned them in d1 would also probably be wagoning them d2
it's blatant enough that pkq being framed is worth considering, but nonetheless i think we should expect scum to be trying to remove pressure from that slot given the rather low-radar nature of the kill
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 9:12:36 GMT
vote dkkoba I'm death tunelling this for the rest of the day. Not sorry. You don't get to pull that shit where you vote someone you claim is a "bad vote" and then blame everyone else for it. Did I mean to vote 1 min to dl? Of course not. I was used to DL being an hour later from NOC1. Still, at least I was voting an actual SR vs whatever the hell that was. There was no one compelling you to make that EoD vote on Martin. The first thing you do after your bad vote flips PR is an "ha, I told you so" as if that's supposed to get town cred or something. Sus. Side notes: My SRs on rudi has not changed from yesterday. An additional FOS on erry for general lurk, the late vote on the biggest wagon with no justification. It's actually similar to the SR on dkkoba because they vote someone they don't think is scum because  ok judging from the emotional content of this post i kind of like john here the d1 vote unquestionably needs to be the topic of discussion here, and i kind of need to know what dkkoba thinks of the game as of this moment they have a read pool, and that's swell and all, but having a lot of reads this early in the game also comes with the caveat of them not being as thought-out as they could be |
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 9:10:09 GMT
yo @zach @om uh
is it just me or is this level of general inactivity worse than game 2
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Post by cyan on Jul 27, 2022 2:43:21 GMT
let's be honest, we all expected that Fort flip
Vote xdrudi
was a bit too serious with the martin vote
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Post by cyan on Jul 26, 2022 0:14:43 GMT
Even if someone on the PKQ wagon is bad/scummy you know it can be someone from opposite scumteam, right? Why is it a bad wagon? it's bad because despite the 4 or 5 people on it no one has argued why it should be good excluding dk i mean |
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Post by cyan on Jul 26, 2022 0:13:52 GMT
Even if someone on the PKQ wagon is bad/scummy you know it can be someone from opposite scumteam, right? Why is it a bad wagon? it's bad because despite the 4 or 5 people on it no one has argued why it should be good |
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Post by cyan on Jul 26, 2022 0:12:41 GMT
2 of those names? all of you, pkq, jeff, and iirc erry have posted. or had opportunity to LMAO oh wow they actually have those posts were so inconsequential they never registered in my brain even more credit to you pointing them out post a reads list, cyan, thank you. reads lists aren't super helpful, but since you asked, here's one quick one [mighty + PKQ] is a slight possibility given the d1 chainsaw you and fort get tiny town points for showing interest in gamesolving jeff/erry/mmib/pkq are low-activity players who need to speak up. of the four of them i think jeff and mmib deserve the most attention everyone else is kind of just playing this game half-assedly |
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